Selfish Batsmen in the Indian Team

[phoenix-suns]

Dhoni, Saurav, VVS and Sachin.


These players play for records. If anyone had doubt earlier you could see it in this test match. They played slowly on a batting beauty in the first innings. now in the second innings sourav and dhoni didnt try to slog at all. India could have easily scored 200 runs in 40 odd overs.. Its really frustrating to see players play for their records. Just want to improve their average. I thought Dhoni is a team man, now he disappointed me big time. He is just like sourav and vvs.

[majid786]

this has dissapointed me big time as i am a big fan of dhoni, this proves that he is just another typical selfish indian :D

[PlanetPakistan]

On one end there was the world's fastest bowler bowling in fading light. On the other end a talented spinner was bowling in the rough making it almost impossible to score.

Dhoni was not being selfish

[majid786]

On one end there was the world's fastest bowler bowling in fading light. On the other end a talented spinner was bowling in the rough making it almost impossible to score.

Dhoni was not being selfish


whos the talented spinner :13:

[Saj]

I wish we had such "selfish" batsmen in our ranks :)

[PlanetPakistan]

whos the talented spinner :13:
Salman Butt off course

[phoenix-suns]

this has dissapointed me big time as i am a big fan of dhoni, this proves that he is just another typical selfish indian :D

"typical selfish indian "
Dont just generalize dude. Karthik, Jaffar, kumble, and others are indians.

[dinakar]

they still manage to score almost 4 an over which is very good in test standards. it is not as easy as you type it in your computer :))

[phoenix-suns]

On one end there was the world's fastest bowler bowling in fading light. On the other end a talented spinner was bowling in the rough making it almost impossible to score.

Dhoni was not being selfish

To be honest, Akthar was not really threatening in this game. I have seen Dhoni scoring runs against akthar during slog overs in ODIs. Sourav is genrally knows for his big hitting against spinners especialy leg spinners. He did not come out even once against kaneria. Thats shows his attitude. He is the most selfish player in the world and way way way overrated.

[jackal786]

whos the talented spinner :13:

:))

[phoenix-suns]

they still manage to score almost 4 an over which is very good in test standards. it is not as easy as you type it in your computer :))


4 runs per over may be good for the first innings. but not all that good in the second innings as they know they have to play only 35 to 45 overs with all wickets in hands. Its like 6 per over may be good runrate for the ODI game but the same 6 per over is below par run rate in 20-20. I have seen many test matches where in such situation the team scoring well over 5 runs per over no matter how difficult the pitch is.

[Saj]

May I clarify and before all hell breaks loose, that the originator of this wicket(thread) is an Indian fan :)

[Indiafan]

May I clarify and before all hell breaks loose, that the originator of this wicket(thread) is an Indian fan :)

No way, he must be pretending :13:

[12thMan]

I didn't see the game yesterday, but Indian team was playing a little slow in the last hour or so of their first innings. They could have gone to hit 640 in same number of overs (2-3 wickets might have fallen) when batting was little easier and bowlers tired

[phoenix-suns]

No way, he must be pretending :13:


Dude, I am from chennai. I support indian team. I have watched pretty much all the test matches india have played since 1987.

[Indiafan]

Dude, I am from chennai. I support indian team. I have watched pretty much all the test matches india have played since 1987.


I know that pal, was just pulling your leg. Seen your posts before

[siddharth]

Well Indians are in two minds now .Whether to play for a draw or for a win.we haven't decided tht yet .Thats the difference betwen the Aussies and us.

[Indiafan]

Well Indians are in two minds now .Whether to play for a draw or for a win.we haven't decided tht yet .Thats the difference betwen the Aussies and us.

why on earth would they even think of a draw? Its not like Pak are or will be in a winning position?

[PlanetPakistan]

To be honest, Akthar was not really threatening in this game. I have seen Dhoni scoring runs against akthar during slog overs in ODIs. Sourav is genrally knows for his big hitting against spinners especialy leg spinners. He did not come out even once against kaneria. Thats shows his attitude. He is the most selfish player in the world and way way way overrated.
You can only blame the batsman when he is not trying. Dhoni was clearly looking to hit against Shoaib(even the 150kph+ yorkers) and even against Kaneria he was trying the reverse sweeps although you do have a point about him not going down the pitch.

[phoenix-suns]

Well Indians are in two minds now .Whether to play for a draw or for a win.we haven't decided tht yet .Thats the difference betwen the Aussies and us.

We did not lose wickets early. First wicket fell on 78. we already had lead over 200. Chances of losing was almost nill at that time. Dhoni was specifically sent to increase the runrate, but he hardly tried any slog shots. He reverse swept few times. thats it. Sourav never came down the pitch. They were very particular about saving their wicket than thinking about winning the test match.

[DHONI183]

On one end there was the world's fastest bowler bowling in fading light. On the other end a talented spinner was bowling in the rough making it almost impossible to score.

Dhoni was not being selfish

Top post :19: ! I think batting was difficult at that time, both tried though. I was surprised by Dhoni´s approach. I actually think that they had made their mind to bat another hour or so on day five because otherwise they wouldn´t have tried to keep the wickets intact.

[siddharth]

You can only blame the batsman when he is not trying. Dhoni was clearly looking to hit against Shoaib(even the 150kph+ yorkers) and even against Kaneria he was trying the reverse sweeps although you do have a point about him not going down the pitch.
i feel the same .But i think Tendulkar should have been sent ahead of Dhoni as Dhoni is not confident against Akhtar .

[siddharth]

We did not lose wickets early. First wicket fell on 78. we already had lead over 200. Chances of losing was almost nill at that time. Dhoni was specifically sent to increase the runrate, but he hardly tried any slog shots. He reverse swept few times. thats it. Sourav never came down the pitch. They were very particular about saving their wicket than thinking about winning the test match.
Losing wicket at the end of the day is not a good option . Well have some patience dude .Otherwise i will put into IWSC :P (Indian wrist slitters club) .

[12thMan]

i feel the same .But i think Tendulkar should have been sent ahead of Dhoni as Dhoni is not confident against Akhtar .
Are you saying Tendulkar was being selfish?

[Indiafan]

Are you saying Tendulkar was being selfish?

Yep, he is the one who decides the batting order of course.

[siddharth]

Are you saying Tendulkar was being selfish?
He has already established that ''name''.Now it is dhoni's turn :P

[The WagonWheel]

Dhoni, Saurav, VVS and Sachin.


These players play for records. If anyone had doubt earlier you could see it in this test match. They played slowly on a batting beauty in the first innings. now in the second innings sourav and dhoni didnt try to slog at all. India could have easily scored 200 runs in 40 odd overs.. Its really frustrating to see players play for their records. Just want to improve their average. I thought Dhoni is a team man, now he disappointed me big time. He is just like sourav and vvs.

Sachin had the highest strike rate in the first innings and is yet to bat in the second.

Had it not been for his poor running between the wickets and the fact that he scored his century only in 4's and 1's, VVS would have had the best strike rate in the innings. Moreover, Yuvraj along with our expert commentators are literally tailgating VVS to make way.

Sourav's strike rate has been decent in both the first and the second inning.

Dhoni's innings admittedly has been out of character, but he can shift gears in no time.

I don't understand the problem here, a R/R of 5 would have made you happy. Right now India has a R/R of nearly 4, so its a matter of another 36 runs. In this run-feast, 36 runs is too paltry a sum to make any genuine impact on the outcome of the game.

[nikred]

Losing wicket at the end of the day is not a good option . Well have some patience dude .Otherwise i will put into IWSC :P (Indian wrist slitters club) .

:))) now thats a rare breed here.

[Indiafan]

:))) now thats a rare breed here.

Yep we are always optimistic

[phoenix-suns]

Sachin had the highest strike rate in the first innings and is yet to bat in the second.

Had it not been for his poor running between the wickets and the fact that he scored his century only in 4's and 1's, VVS would have had the best strike rate in the innings. Moreover, Yuvraj along with our expert commentators are literally tailgating VVS to make way.

Sourav's strike rate has been decent in both the first and the second inning.

Dhoni's innings admittedly has been out of character, but he can shift gears in no time.

I don't understand the problem here, a R/R of 5 would have made you happy. Right now India has a R/R of nearly 4, so its a matter of another 36 runs. In this run-feast, 36 runs is too paltry a sum to make any genuine impact on the outcome of the game.


I am not talking about sachin's first innings. Yes he did really well in the first innings. I am talking about over all as a cricketer. See his batting in Sydney test match against Australia in 2004. He scored 60 in the second innings and he made sure he was not out. He did not attempt even a single cross batted slog in the second innings. thats just one. I can give you more such instances.

I mentioned 200 runs. thats over 5 runs per over. even 35 to 40 runs would make big difference. that would give 8 to 10 extra overs to bowl.

[The WagonWheel]

I am not talking about sachin's first innings. Yes he did really well in the first innings. I am talking about over all as a cricketer. See his batting in Sydney test match against Australia in 2004. He scored 60 in the second innings and he made sure he was not out. He did not attempt even a single cross batted slog in the second innings. thats just one. I can give you more such instances.

I mentioned 200 runs. thats over 5 runs per over. even 35 to 40 runs would make big difference. that would give 8 to 10 extra overs to bowl.

Point taken. Feed them all to the tigers.

[Indiafan]

I am not talking about sachin's first innings. Yes he did really well in the first innings. I am talking about over all as a cricketer. See his batting in Sydney test match against Australia in 2004. He scored 60 in the second innings and he made sure he was not out. He did not attempt even a single cross batted slog in the second innings. thats just one. I can give you more such instances.

I mentioned 200 runs. thats over 5 runs per over. even 35 to 40 runs would make big difference. that would give 8 to 10 extra overs to bowl.

But why not take this innings? You just want to take his selective innings which will show him in a poor light? There are various reasons including the quality of the bowlers which need to be taken into account.

As soemone said its not that dhioni was not trying. there was always the danger of losing wquick wickets and collapsing

[Tupac]

I am not talking about sachin's first innings. Yes he did really well in the first innings. I am talking about over all as a cricketer. See his batting in Sydney test match against Australia in 2004. He scored 60 in the second innings and he made sure he was not out. He did not attempt even a single cross batted slog in the second innings. thats just one. I can give you more such instances.

I mentioned 200 runs. thats over 5 runs per over. even 35 to 40 runs would make big difference. that would give 8 to 10 extra overs to bowl.

his last 100 odd runs were scored at an 80+ S/R,

[phoenix-suns]

But why not take this innings? You just want to take his selective innings which will show him in a poor light? There are various reasons including the quality of the bowlers which need to be taken into account.

As soemone said its not that dhioni was not trying. there was always the danger of losing wquick wickets and collapsing


why to worry about collapsing when we already have 250+ lead? I dont understand. Dhoni was sent to improve the run rate. his strike rate is just 50 for someone who has been sent in to improve the scoring rate. thats pathetic. reason he mentioned was pitch is slow. He did try at all. How could you say pitch was the reason when you never played any slog shot at all.

[Indiafan]

why to worry about collapsing when we already have 250+ lead? I dont understand. Dhoni was sent to improve the run rate. his strike rate is just 50 for someone who has been sent in to improve the scoring rate. thats pathetic. reason he mentioned was pitch is slow. He did try at all. How could you say pitch was the reason when you never played any slog shot at all.

He did try but he never slogged. Akhtar was bowling yorkers. in a test match a rate of nearly 5 is considered a very fast scoring rate

[jackal786]

He did try but he never slogged. Akhtar was bowling yorkers. in a test match a rate of nearly 5 is considered a very fast scoring rate

:20: seriously

[Muddaser]

:20: seriously

Whats that suppose to mean?

[Oxy]

So Pak fans think their best batrsman is selfish / has bad attitude etc

Ind fans think the same about their best players!

Messed up - the lot of us!!

[Cryin Out Loud]

Word.

I always say that most 'opinions' say more about fans themselves than the cricketers they criticize.

[phoenix-suns]

Whats that suppose to mean?


Was he bowling or soemthing else......

[phoenix-suns]

So Pak fans think their best batrsman is selfish / has bad attitude etc

Ind fans think the same about their best players!

Messed up - the lot of us!!


Trust me, Sourav is an irritating cricketer. He not only irritates opponent, he irritates indian fans as well. very very overrated cricketer in the world. If there was no dalmiya, he woudl not have come close to indian dressing room. Again its just my opinion. Many people may not agree with me.

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

what a useless thread....i think he is being sarcastic

[Rajan]

I am not talking about sachin's first innings. Yes he did really well in the first innings. I am talking about over all as a cricketer. See his batting in Sydney test match against Australia in 2004. He scored 60 in the second innings and he made sure he was not out. He did not attempt even a single cross batted slog in the second innings. thats just one. I can give you more such instances.

I mentioned 200 runs. thats over 5 runs per over. even 35 to 40 runs would make big difference. that would give 8 to 10 extra overs to bowl.

Boss,
I am also from Chennai and been following up all forms of cricket including the TNCA league cricket when ever possible from 1979 onwards. That does not mean that I can make a statement that Laxman is a selfish batsman. if you have a sword hanging over your head always and if u r under pressure to score at least a 50 in every single innings or risk getting dropped, then u may understand that Laxman is not a selfish cricketer.In fact Kumble has mentioned about Laxman and the sword after the delhi test.

Please try to understand that Dhoni , Saurav and Laxman clearly play based on the instructions from their captain and Manager. the team management is hardly 80 yards away and keeps sending instructions to speed up or play watchfully every now and then with gloves/bats/drinks.

Throwing caution to wind and playing cross batted slogs do not mean playing selflessly at all.The team's interest and the strategy are as important. Dhoni is perfectly capable of playing an Afridi type innings, but if he had failed, there would be additional pressure on the incoming batsman.why risk a safe position? surely the combined wisdom of Kumble, Dravid and Ganguly is better than yours and mine , in this instance.

so, please leave Dhoni( he saved india in the first test against england recently, must be a selfish cricketer playing for average), Ganguly -except a few occasions when he was playing for his place, the guy always did his best under the circumstances, Laxman- i would need half an hour to explain about his contribution to Indian team and the few times he was so unceremoniously dropped.sorry, u r way too wrong in this..

[Caved12]

Dhoni has never played selfishly, and none of those batsmen you mentioned played selfishly in this test match.

[david_becks]

Dhoni, Saurav, VVS and Sachin.


These players play for records. If anyone had doubt earlier you could see it in this test match. They played slowly on a batting beauty in the first innings. now in the second innings sourav and dhoni didnt try to slog at all. India could have easily scored 200 runs in 40 odd overs.. Its really frustrating to see players play for their records. Just want to improve their average. I thought Dhoni is a team man, now he disappointed me big time. He is just like sourav and vvs.
This thread of yours forced me to login and shut your mouth.What an idiot you are?
Dhoni,Saurav,VVS and Sachin are selfish?Had they got out you would have said that they cant play under pressure.Seriously plastic fans like you should watch "kabaddi".Sometimes players have to play according to the situation scoring at 4 runs per over isnt a joke.Watching the match from your bedroom and playing there in the middle with millions watching you at home is a different thing.And dhoni has won has so many matches.He played slow in one match and he is not a team man anymore?wow :O Seriously go and watch kabaddi yaar.I am tired of seeing cricket fans like u. :12: And now i am logging off. :P

[Wazeeri]

I think the whole team is after stats and records. The declaration was delayed because Kumble was waiting for Ganguly to score his half century.
Otherwise all hell would break loose. Remember Dravid and Tendulkar 200 incident?

[rahulrulezz]

This thread of yours forced me to login and shut your mouth.What an idiot you are?
Dhoni,Saurav,VVS and Sachin are selfish?Had they got out you would have said that they cant play under pressure.Seriously plastic fans like you should watch "kabaddi".Sometimes players have to play according to the situation scoring at 4 runs per over isnt a joke.Watching the match from your bedroom and playing there in the middle with millions watching you at home is a different thing.And dhoni has won has so many matches.He played slow in one match and he is not a team man anymore?wow :O Seriously go and watch kabaddi yaar.I am tired of seeing cricket fans like u. :12: And now i am logging off. :P
:)))

good post :19:

[david_becks]

I think the whole team is after stats and records. The declaration was delayed because Kumble was waiting for Ganguly to score his half century.
Otherwise all hell would break loose. Remember Dravid and Tendulkar 200 incident?
Its still better than Yousuf going to ICL then IPL isnt it? :P

[Wazeeri]

Yes Yousuf joined the ICL and IPL to improve his stats.

[Indiafan]

I think the whole team is after stats and records. The declaration was delayed because Kumble was waiting for Ganguly to score his half century.
Otherwise all hell would break loose. Remember Dravid and Tendulkar 200 incident?

He was also wanted to get as near to 350 as possible. Since Ganguly took a while to reach 50 he declared after he had reached it

[david_becks]

Yes Yousuf joined the ICL and IPL to improve his stats.
You didnt get the point champ.He joined it to improve his bank balance.Becoz he knew ICL wont last long IPL is here to stay.Got it now?

[Wazeeri]

You didnt get the point champ.He joined it to improve his bank balance.Becoz he knew ICL wont last long IPL is here to stay.Got it now?

Yes very well argued, Yousuf has no sense of faithfullness towards his original money making cricket league the ICL.
What a shameful man he is.

I truly got it.

[phoenix-suns]

Boss,
I am also from Chennai and been following up all forms of cricket including the TNCA league cricket when ever possible from 1979 onwards. That does not mean that I can make a statement that Laxman is a selfish batsman. if you have a sword hanging over your head always and if u r under pressure to score at least a 50 in every single innings or risk getting dropped, then u may understand that Laxman is not a selfish cricketer.In fact Kumble has mentioned about Laxman and the sword after the delhi test.

Please try to understand that Dhoni , Saurav and Laxman clearly play based on the instructions from their captain and Manager. the team management is hardly 80 yards away and keeps sending instructions to speed up or play watchfully every now and then with gloves/bats/drinks.

Throwing caution to wind and playing cross batted slogs do not mean playing selflessly at all.The team's interest and the strategy are as important. Dhoni is perfectly capable of playing an Afridi type innings, but if he had failed, there would be additional pressure on the incoming batsman.why risk a safe position? surely the combined wisdom of Kumble, Dravid and Ganguly is better than yours and mine , in this instance.

so, please leave Dhoni( he saved india in the first test against england recently, must be a selfish cricketer playing for average), Ganguly -except a few occasions when he was playing for his place, the guy always did his best under the circumstances, Laxman- i would need half an hour to explain about his contribution to Indian team and the few times he was so unceremoniously dropped.sorry, u r way too wrong in this..

I think I have annoyed many people with that title. Seriously my intention was not to annoy anyone. I just put whatever I thought. Again it was just my opinion, I am sure many people wont agree with me.

LAXMAN, you yourself mentioned that sword is hanging over his head everytime he bats. So you have agreed to the fact that he makes sure he saves himself first. Thats what exactly I was saying. In the last 4 or 5 innings, he madesure he was not out at the end of innings by not playing any expensive shots and got single of the first ball and let no 10 or 11 to face remaining 5 balls of the over. That shows how he cares about his battign average to be in the team. In delhi test match, when every run was so important in the first innings, he was happy to give strike to no 10. I have seen him doing like that many times. 20 or 30 important runs at the time would have been really helpful to the team. Fortunately pakistan did not bat well in the second innings, otherwise India would have struggled in the second innings.

GANGULI, I can show you a big list of ODIs where he wasted so many balls to score 50 runs. If you have seen his last 10 to 15 ODI innings, most of them played in india on flat pitches, he has very decent average. But when you look at his strike rate, it would be around 70s. He has been opening the innings in the ODI and enjoying the power play still his strike rate is 70. Goutham Gambhir indirectly mentioned once in his interview that ganguli is selfish. Not just Gambir, other few indian players too feel the same.

DHONI, If you take this test match out, he has been a real team man. won many matches. But I was really surprised to see him scoring 11 runs of 50 odd balls in the first innings when team total was already 500+. He hit 2 sixers and four after receiving the message from kumble that he was going to declare in few overs. Similarly in the second innings, I am sure kumble sent him at 3 to score quickly otherwise he would have sent dravid in, but scored 28 of 55 balls and said the wicket was too slow for not scoring quickly. next day in the morning he was able to score fast, why could not he do the in the last one hour of 4th day.

SACHIN, did well in this test match. but some of the innings he played in the past where he worried more on his average than the team.

194 notout against pakistan in multan test, 248 not out against bangladesh, and other few innings.

Again this is just my opinion, I might be wrong too.

[Rajan]

Phoenix,

In Laxman's case, please understand that there is great pressure on him because of Yuvraj's exploits in one dayers. People/Fans think yuvi would succeed at tests just because he is successful in one dayers. There is no place in the middle order for Yuvi to get in, as of now. but if Laxman had failed in Delhi and struggled in Kolkotta, then he would have been dropped. Unlike Sachin, every other indian batsman had been dropped for form slump in one form of cricket or the other.In delhi test first innings, our tail got out because of their stupidity and not because Laxman did not shield them. there was no need for Zaheer , Munaf to go for big shots and Harbhajan tried a fancy shot. none of these guys showed any application whatsoever, even 10% of what sami showed or kumble tried.v cant blame Laxman for that. there is no way a batsman can completely shield a tailender, once in a while, they will have to face a few balls. if the attitude is wrong with these tailenders, whether it is second ball or 6th ball, they will committ hara-kiri. I have seen Inzy in recent times, Hick some time back and Allan Border consistently playing very well with the lower order, all most regularly. but each time, we forget about the contribution of the tail too..

anyway, i agree to disagree on Laxman. You have your reasons for others.

[phoenix-suns]

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