Sambit Bal calls Shoaib a chucker!

[davidmj85]

http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/indvpak/content/current/story/325221.html




They must also seriously consider if Shoaib Akhtar is worth the trouble. The explanation "but he is a match-winner" is wearing thin because he has not won that many matches. The external problems - drugs, suspect action (watch him fire the ball in from wide of the crease and it's difficult not to squirm), misconduct and truancy - would perhaps be worth risking if the captain was confident Shoaib would turn up fit. As it stands, he now stands in the rare category of cricketers who have missed more matches than they have played, and rarely has he lasted a full series. Here, the sting went out of the Pakistani bowling attack the moment he ran out of wind.

[davidmj85]

Well... It doesn't seem that he's got a high regard for biomechanists.

[McBoom]

i might cop a few insults from my fellow countrymen for this but despite all the hyperextensoin and double jointedness his action looked extremely dodgy at times.

[aabbasi]

Well i will call shoaib a chucker if all the chukers are singled out and not him individually..
If he is a chucker all of the following are :

(1) Harbajan
(2) Lee
(3) Sreesanth
(4) Mills
(5) RP Singh
(6) Murali

I am amazed how ppl are quick to react at him when their are plenty on the world scene at the moment who are doing the same thing.
He among all others is the only one who has definite hyperextension...

[nitrous]

i might cop a few insults from my fellow countrymen for this but despite all the hyperextensoin and double jointedness his action looked extremely dodgy at times.

I'm sorry but I have to agree with your post. The slow motion of Akhtar's actions were dodgy and to be honest even though there are other bowlers who chuck, actor's action is definitely the obvious one to be singled out.

I'm sorry guys, but I believe this is the case with Akhtar When i saw his action on the slow motion, I thought he was really lucky to be playing.

[IMD Walrus]

Well i will call shoaib a chucker if all the chukers are singled out and not him individually..
If he is a chucker all of the following are :

(1) Harbajan
(2) Lee
(3) Sreesanth
(4) Mills
(5) RP Singh
(6) Murali

I am amazed how ppl are quick to react at him when their are plenty on the world scene at the moment who are doing the same thing.
He among all others is the only one who has definite hyperextension...

Do you really believe Sreesanth and RP Singh chuck, in which case you need help from a doctor, or are the two names added there just to have a dig at the Indians?

[MaVeRiCk]

in case you aren't aware of this but akhtar has hyperextension of the elbow joint which explains his so called "suspect action".

Look at sreesanth this guys action is totally beyond the ICC's limits of extension of the elbow. Pure envy and hate for pakistani bowlers why why why...
i wish i could say more to you guys but i should contain myself as the language wouldn't go down well by the moderators

[flawed_genius]

What's there to be angry about? Its people's opinions mate, you can't control them.

As long ICC clears him I am fine with it.

[MaVeRiCk]

what really gets to me is that he has already been cleared but people still persist with rumours, accusations and suspicions. leave the guy alone u *****$($(%(%'S

[Oxy]

Unless this Sambit Lal joker works for The University of Western Australia (that cleared him of chucking), he can stick Shoaib's hyperexteneded arm up his ****!!!

Murali could have made a fortune every time he was slandered in public this way with legal suits left, right & centre!

[Indieview]

Hyperextended or Hyperextension or whatever silly reason that could come with ..... it's clear to our Naked Eyes .... His action is not legal ... Shoaib is just lucky to be in midst of International Cricket ..

[Oxy]

Hyperextended or Hyperextension or whatever silly reason that could come with ..... it's clear to our Naked Eyes .... His action is not legal ... Shoaib is just lucky to be in midst of International Cricket ..

To my naked eye, I can fly a plane - just push this , press that, turn this, step on that. Easy! To the naked eye....

[Indieview]

This is sport mate and there are some guidelines and rules .. whatever the degree or celcius .. Yes he is exciting to watch and all that ...

May be you can just look at Wicket of Dravid at Delhi first ininings.. think by your mind

[Oxy]

This is sport mate and there are some guidelines and rules .. whatever the degree or celcius .. Yes he is exciting to watch and all that ...

May be you can just look at Wicket of Dravid at Delhi first ininings.. think by your mind
Rules are rules. He and many others are within those rules.

You need to live with that.

If anyone transgresses those rules - especially those of the 'brown' complexion - have no fear, they would be hauled up against the authorities in no time.

[Fawad]

Hyperextended or Hyperextension or whatever silly reason that could come with ..... it's clear to our Naked Eyes .... His action is not legal ... Shoaib is just lucky to be in midst of International Cricket ..

It doesn't matter what your naked eye sees, Shoaib has been cleared biomechanic experts. Murli's action looks more of a chuck to me than Akthar not to mention the blatant chuck by your Bhajji.

[dinakar]

It doesn't matter what your naked eye sees, Shoaib has been cleared biomechanic experts. Murli's action looks more of a chuck to me than Akthar not to mention the blatant chuck by your Bhajji.
has Bhajji's action not cleared by biomechanic experts?? how dare he continue playing in front of the ICC umpires and referees??

[Fawad]

has Bhajji's action not cleared by biomechanic experts?? how dare he continue playing in front of the ICC umpires and referees??

Akhtar has been cleared too but these dumb journalists like Sambit Bal keep discussing his bowling action.

[dinakar]

Akhtar has been cleared too but these dumb journalists like Sambit Bal keep discussing his bowling action.
if someone talks about Shoaib's action it touches you nerves and you guys keep calling Bhajji a chucker. you should be ready to earn what you give..

[MaVeRiCk]

Clearly harbajan chucks, clearly shreeshanth chucks but nothings ever said about that is it????? i said is it, is it

[Fawad]

if someone talks about Shoaib's action it touches you nerves and you guys keep calling Bhajji a chucker. you should be ready to earn what you give..

I have no problem with Bhajj's action if no one complains about Akthar's action. If the indians complain about Akhtar's action then sorry to say Bhajji's action looks just as dodgy.

[Oxy]

if someone talks about Shoaib's action it touches you nerves and you guys keep calling Bhajji a chucker. you should be ready to earn what you give..

Forget what fans say about these players....

Whoever Sambit Bal is, he has used the Cricinfo platform to say his bit.

Which Pakistani journalist has been talking about Harbhajan?

[davidmj85]

Forget what fans say about these players....

Whoever Sambit Lal is, he has used the Cricinfo platform to say his bit.

Which Pakistani journalist has been talking about Harbhajan?


What has Sambit Bal and Cricinfo got to do with India? They are neutral. Afterall Cricinfo is the 'Home of Cricket'. :21:

[Oxy]

What has Sambit lal and Cricinfo got to do with India? They are neutral. Afterall Cricinfo is the 'Home of Cricket'. :))) :))) :)))

[Momo]

Its Sambit 'Bal', not Sambit Lal. And that may explain his obsession with Shoaib's balls. Err, I mean the 'lal' balls delivered by Shoaib.

[Taurus]

I have a theory. I think all the fast men chuck. I think they need to to generate that pace. I'm not that bothered.

But spinners don't need to chuck. Legitimate actions are capable of thriving in spin bowling. That's why an Indian, a South African and a Sri Lankan infuriate me.

There are fundamental differences between types of bowling that need addressing. Paceman should have a more generous allowance than spinners because their actions are much quicker, adrenaline-fuelled, and essentially "RAW".

Spinners have way more control.

[NeVerMind]

simple. look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jhM_II_qw

This is the reason why the university of western australia cleared him and why with your naked eye you think he is chucking when he isn't. They did this test with Murali where he wore this arm thing that did not let his arm extend beyond the 15% that is allowed and he was getting the same amount of spin. after that, I have no problems with Murali's actions and neither should anybody...

[Oxy]

Murali went onto Channel 4 (UK) a couple of years back - He bowled with a cast around his arm which prevented him from bending his arm - and yet he still bowled all his variations.

Plus hes been tested by Uni of WA extensively - been through all the Biochemics stuff.

Hes just the wrong colour me thinks.....

[Taurus]

You can do any amount of tests, they simply don't work. It's not about whether anyone can bowl the variations, it's about whether they turn and bounce. What anyone does in a match situation is totally different to what they can do in a pre-planned test.

Typically though, it's 'cause he's the wrong colour...yeah, right.

[Braveheart]

This is sport mate and there are some guidelines and rules .. whatever the degree or celcius .. Yes he is exciting to watch and all that ...

May be you can just look at Wicket of Dravid at Delhi first ininings.. think by your mind

How can Indians judge a Fast Bowlers actions, when they have never had a genuine Fast bowler?

Get a genuine fast bowler in your team and then come and debate with us!

As for the delivery in question...
Perfect delivery ! Nothing wrong with, just typical sour-grapes mate, Dravid's reaction was also typical. he refused to believe the ball hit the stumps, just like he normally does when he 'snicks' it. :)))

[NeVerMind]

Murali went onto Channel 4 (UK) a couple of years back - He bowled with a cast around his arm which prevented him from bending his arm - and yet he still bowled all his variations.

Plus hes been tested by Uni of WA extensively - been through all the Biochemics stuff.

Hes just the wrong colour me thinks.....

This is what I am referring to. I remember that and thinking well there goes the whole naked eye argument and who am I to question biochemics experts...

[jackal786]

what really gets to me is that he has already been cleared but people still persist with rumours, accusations and suspicions. leave the guy alone u *****$($(%(%'S


Not in a match situation. You can always bowl within the limits in a seperate testing scenario. In a match situation when wickets are required he completely throws the rulebook. It is not difficult to find out. All we need is pair of working eyes :P

[jackal786]

I have a theory. I think all the fast men chuck. I think they need to to generate that pace. I'm not that bothered.

But spinners don't need to chuck. Legitimate actions are capable of thriving in spin bowling. That's why an Indian, a South African and a Sri Lankan infuriate me.

There are fundamental differences between types of bowling that need addressing. Paceman should have a more generous allowance than spinners because their actions are much quicker, adrenaline-fuelled, and essentially "RAW".

Spinners have way more control.

You think Allan Donald chucked?

[Oxy]

Typically though, it's 'cause he's the wrong colour...yeah, right.You dont accept the explanation of an Aussie professor in the Uni of Western Australia....then there all the Biochemic studies and Murali has sailed through thouse. Even the CH4 'lets stick a cast on this freak and see what he does' cleared the man to the 'naked eye'.

I'm just using FACT and RESULTS of STUDIES CONDUCTED.

What are you going by Augustus???

[W63L35]

Guys you are wasting your time on something written/reported by INDIAN MEDIA! This article was not even worth responding to!

I'd like to know what Smbit No-ball has to say about Dungarpur's comments on Harby.....but then again who cares.......he is an Indian journalist!

[Indieview]

How can Indians judge a Fast Bowlers actions, when they have never had a genuine Fast bowler?

Get a genuine fast bowler in your team and then come and debate with us!

As for the delivery in question...
Perfect delivery ! Nothing wrong with, just typical sour-grapes mate, Dravid's reaction was also typical. he refused to believe the ball hit the stumps, just like he normally does when he 'snicks' it. :)))

Agreed India don't have so called tear away fast bowlers and but bowlers are doing their job, winning test series & ODI ..... Im not surprised of obsession of 145+ bowlers here ... but just look at successful bowlers and what there USP was...

Perfect delivery --- for shoaib ONLY and it's shame to chuck after having to run so long .. better have a short run up and use the hyper arm .. could solve Akhtar's fitness problem as well....

[jusarrived]

few bowlers who chuck balantly IMO are ........Murali ,samules & afridi.....am fine withrest of the bowlers cos it dosen seem intentional !

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Agreed India don't have so called tear away fast bowlers and but bowlers are doing their job, winning test series & ODI ..... Im not surprised of obsession of 145+ bowlers here ... but just look at successful bowlers and what there USP was...

Perfect delivery --- for shoaib ONLY and it's shame to chuck after having to run so long .. better have a short run up and use the hyper arm .. could solve Akhtar's fitness problem as well....


:))) :)))

so not having 145+ bowlers is making you win all these matches huh...so why weren't you winning for the lets say 'past 2 decades'...haha....bc to my memory...your bolwers for God knows how long have been bowling less than 145+....but I don't recall India winning 'test series & ODI series' in their sleep in the past...

ahhh some ppl...its good to live in the present...but mate the past shouldn't be forgotten but learned from....if anything you should stop talking so much smack about winning a few series bc for decades and decades your team couldn't even beat zimbabve overseas let alone a team with real men as fast bowlers....

[Perth93]

honestly, much as i admire gul, asif and zahid, i've realized of late, that a bowler who can stay FIT and consistent, and move the ball either off the seam or in the air, ismore valuable than quicks who strive only for pace.

it's a bit like you-know-what: angelina jolie over pam anderson any dayof theweek.

[Oxy]

honestly, much as i admire gul, asif and zahid, i've realized of late, that a bowler who can stay FIT and consistent, and move the ball either off the seam or in the air, ismore valuable than quicks who strive only for pace.

it's a bit like you-know-what: angelina jolie over pam anderson any dayof theweek.I dunno - theres got a be a place for Anderson's bouncers? :D

[dinakar]

:))) :)))

so not having 145+ bowlers is making you win all these matches huh...so why weren't you winning for the lets say 'past 2 decades'...haha....bc to my memory...your bolwers for God knows how long have been bowling less than 145+....but I don't recall India winning 'test series & ODI series' in their sleep in the past...

ahhh some ppl...its good to live in the present...but mate the past shouldn't be forgotten but learned from....if anything you should stop talking so much smack about winning a few series bc for decades and decades your team couldn't even beat zimbabve overseas let alone a team with real men as fast bowlers....
no need to jump up and down UHA, your team too winning a home series against India last year was after 2 decades even having all 145+ bowlers...

[Cryin Out Loud]

Unless this Sambit Lal joker works for The University of Western Australia (that cleared him of chucking), he can stick Shoaib's hyperexteneded arm up his ****!!!

...

ROTFLMAO. Funniest thing I've read in a while.

Back to the topic- he's been cleared. End of story. Deal with it.

[Saqlain_doosra]

no need to jump up and down UHA, your team too winning a home series against India last year was after 2 decades even having all 145+ bowlers...


very smart. How many series they played against India in 2 decades at home?

[MaVeRiCk]

jackal, erm m8 like i sed before it may appear to the naked eye that he chucks but hes got a hyperextension of the elbow. that is the reason for such suspicions

[siddharth]

My only doubt is ''how can we find the difference between chucking and bowling '' in these kind of bowlers .

[siddharth]

very smart. How many series they played against India in 2 decades at home?
:23: .How many series pakistan played in India in 20 years .?

1987,1999,2005 ,2007 ....4 series out of that pak won 1 ,draw 2 ,lost 1


Indians played 1989 ,2004 ,2006 3 series out of that 1 draw ,India-1 ,Pak -1.

My Indian friend replied that way ,because some of u people bring this 27 years . It would have been better had they played more series than those numbers .

[dinakar]

very smart. How many series they played against India in 2 decades at home?
just to remind those guys who are obsessed with this 27 years stuff!! though can't blame them as it's media hyped!

[Foozee]

hmm akhtar chucks allright, its when he's injured and an egomaniac that im more worried about rather than his action

[safehands46]

I love shoaib, but the truth is hyperextension is shady. The degrees vary and how can you regulate a hyperextender who chucks. There is no way. All I am saying is the hyperextender has definite advantage.

[billyoem]

Agreed India don't have so called tear away fast bowlers and but bowlers are doing their job, winning test series & ODI ..... Im not surprised of obsession of 145+ bowlers here ... but just look at successful bowlers and what there USP was...

Perfect delivery --- for shoaib ONLY and it's shame to chuck after having to run so long .. better have a short run up and use the hyper arm .. could solve Akhtar's fitness problem as well....

Are you a bufoon who can't read or understand?
My post was not about effectiveness!
I'll re-phrase.
Find a FAST Bowler from your 1 billion plus gene pool and then come and debate on this topic.
Otherwise get back to that call centre and sell me some insurance.
:)))

[Caved12]

I call Sambit ball, a person, who is not being honest with his job.

[xtwo]

Not in a match situation. You can always bowl within the limits in a seperate testing scenario. In a match situation when wickets are required he completely throws the rulebook. It is not difficult to find out. All we need is pair of working eyes :P
Are you suggesting we should test bhaji's action during a match situation:21:

[rahulrulezz]

even though i m his biggest fan, sometimes(very rarely) his action looks dodgy to me... but what the heck y dont others bowler around in the world do same action and generate same pace as him but i bet they wont even reach 120s....Shoaib is special as he puts lot of hardwork and effort while bowling...

[phoenix-suns]

Are you a bufoon who can't read or understand?
My post was not about effectiveness!
I'll re-phrase.
Find a FAST Bowler from your 1 billion plus gene pool and then come and debate on this topic.
Otherwise get back to that call centre and sell me some insurance.
:)))


Relax billy, looks like somebody touched your nerves.

India have quiet a few 140K+ bowlers. Those days are gone when kapil was the fastest bowler in the team. Sreesanth, RP Singh, and others bowl 140K+ consistantly. If you take shoaib out, I dont think there is any difference between Pakistan and India's fast bowlers as far as bowling speed is concerned.

[Muddaser]

Relax billy, looks like somebody touched your nerves.

India have quiet a few 140K+ bowlers. Those days are gone when kapil was the fastest bowler in the team. Sreesanth, RP Singh, and others bowl 140K+ consistantly. If you take shoaib out, I dont think there is any difference between Pakistan and India's fast bowlers as far as bowling speed is concerned.

If you take Shoaib out.

Heck If you take Lee an Tait out we have the fastest. :30:

[Indiafan]

Are you a bufoon who can't read or understand?
My post was not about effectiveness!
I'll re-phrase.
Find a FAST Bowler from your 1 billion plus gene pool and then come and debate on this topic.
Otherwise get back to that call centre and sell me some insurance.
:)))

Your post clearly shows who is the buffon who lost the plot :))
Srinath was defintely a tear away fast bowler who was praised by many including donald.

And your personal insults about call centers proves you have lost the argument big time

[Indiafan]

If you take Shoaib out.

Heck If you take Lee an Tait out we have the fastest. :30:

the way some of your guys were speaking waw as if very bowler in your team was faster than Indian bowlers. having one bowelr who bowls 10 over in a test match is not counted as having all bowlers faster than Indians

[Fawad]

If you take Shoaib out.

Heck If you take Lee an Tait out we have the fastest. :30:

Why only Lee or Tait? There are plenty of bowlers worldwide who are faster than the India fast bowlers. Flintoff has clocked 93mph, Nel has bowled 145-150kph, Harmison has bowled over 140kph so has Simon Jones.

The question is, how long these 140kph Indian fast bowlers last, like I Pathan they will all start bowling at 120kph in their second year.

[Fawad]

Your post clearly shows who is the buffon who lost the plot :))
Srinath was defintely a tear away fast bowler who was praised by many including donald.

And your personal insults about call centers proves you have lost the argument big time

:))) :))) :)))

[phoenix-suns]

If you take Shoaib out.

Heck If you take Lee an Tait out we have the fastest. :30:


- Shoaib missed more matches than he played. thats his track record. Even if he playes he can only bowl 3 to 4 over spell which batsmen can easily see him off and score runs of other mediocre bowlers like sami, kaneria, arafat, other khans.

- Never know when he will break down.

- Apart from all this he has a dodge bowling action.

- His age is 32, never know how long he can bowl ( or chuck) his 150K+ deliveries.

Dont compare Shoaib with Lee who could bowl as fast as shoaib, played more matches than he missed and can bowl longer spell if team needed, hardly broke down during the match, much cleaner action, might be same age or slightly younger but much fitter than shoaib.

[Fawad]

- Shoaib missed more matches than he played. thats his track record. Even if he playes he can only bowl 3 to 4 over spell which batsmen can easily see him off and score runs of other mediocre bowlers like sami, kaneria, arafat, other khans.

- Never know when he will break down.

- Apart from all this he has a dodge bowling action.

- His age is 32, never know how long he can bowl ( or chuck) his 150K+ deliveries.

Dont compare Shoaib with Lee who could bowl as fast as shoaib, played more matches than he missed and can bowl longer spell if team needed, hardly broke down during the match, much cleaner action, might be same age or slightly younger but much fitter than shoaib.

Despite all this Shoaib still has a better Test record than Lee. :D

[siddharth]

Despite all this Shoaib still has a better Test record than Lee. :D
Thats because shoaib never complete a series .It is different playing one test and take rest and playing full series .

For example had Akhtar stopped playing tests after Delhi test his average would have been 13 ,he played full series and his average looked 33 .

Well Akhtar is better than Lee .fact it is .My point is Akhtar's statistics are misleading.

[phoenix-suns]

Why only Lee or Tait? There are plenty of bowlers worldwide who are faster than the India fast bowlers. Flintoff has clocked 93mph, Nel has bowled 145-150kph, Harmison has bowled over 140kph so has Simon Jones.

The question is, how long these 140kph Indian fast bowlers last, like I Pathan they will all start bowling at 120kph in their second year.


Shoaib, Lee, tait, shane bond. These are the bowlers (may be three bowlers and one chucker) who could bowl over 150K+ consistantly.

other bowlers you mentioned cannot be put in the same league as the players mentioned above.

[phoenix-suns]

Despite all this Shoaib still has a better Test record than Lee. :D


If any fast bowler could bowl only when the ball is new, pick up some wickets, then fake some injury and go back to pavilion to play with his toys. He would have very good strike rate. Its more like Afridi's Strike rate. hit 2 sixers of 3 balls and get out. You will have the best strike rate in the world.

[alexjohn_tcr]

Shoaib, Lee, tait, shane bond. These are the bowlers (may be three bowlers and one chucker) who could bowl over 150K+ consistantly.

other bowlers you mentioned cannot be put in the same league as the players mentioned above.

Tait is the fastest bowler in the world

Akthar is the fastest chucker in the world

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

no need to jump up and down UHA, your team too winning a home series against India last year was after 2 decades even having all 145+ bowlers...


yea but you don't see me braggin do you...i am always humble in victory bc i know defeat could be only a game away...

[Fawad]

If any fast bowler could bowl only when the ball is new, pick up some wickets, then fake some injury and go back to pavilion to play with his toys. He would have very good strike rate. Its more like Afridi's Strike rate. hit 2 sixers of 3 balls and get out. You will have the best strike rate in the world.

You deliberately missed out his bowling average, which is miles better than Lee's.

[Fawad]

Tait is the fastest bowler in the world

Akthar is the fastest chucker in the world

Keep living in your fantasy world. Whether you like it or not Akthar is the fastest bowler in the world, Tait isn't even a patch on him.

[Fawad]

Shoaib, Lee, tait, shane bond. These are the bowlers (may be three bowlers and one chucker) who could bowl over 150K+ consistantly.

other bowlers you mentioned cannot be put in the same league as the players mentioned above.

Yes but the other bowlers are still faster than the indian "fast" bowlers.

[siddharth]

Keep living in your fantasy world. Whether you like it or not Akthar is the fastest bowler in the world, Tait isn't even a patch on him.
They both suck :D .Shane Bond and Dale steyn are the best .

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Relax billy, looks like somebody touched your nerves.

India have quiet a few 140K+ bowlers. Those days are gone when kapil was the fastest bowler in the team. Sreesanth, RP Singh, and others bowl 140K+ consistantly. If you take shoaib out, I dont think there is any difference between Pakistan and India's fast bowlers as far as bowling speed is concerned.


i think its not all about the speed of our bowlers...but more the aura...the aggression that speaks out of usual pakistani quicks that you don't see with Indian bowlers....

i guess its bc we have the legacy of wasim and waqar behind us (india never had those kinda bowlers)...the way our bowlers appeal...the airplanes...everything about it just screams 'FAST'...

i guess in comparison with the legacy of sachin etc...indian batsmen always look better and more confident batting in comparison to their paksitani counterparts

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Thats because shoaib never complete a series .It is different playing one test and take rest and playing full series .

For example had Akhtar stopped playing tests after Delhi test his average would have been 13 ,he played full series and his average looked 33 .

Well Akhtar is better than Lee .fact it is .My point is Akhtar's statistics are misleading.

you are comparing lee with akthar...Lee bowls on bowler friendly pitches most of his career...akthar has been given dust bowls...give akthar the same pitches as dale steyn or leee and he will knock some heads off

[Fawad]

They both suck :D .Shane Bond and Dale steyn are the best .

Dale Steyn looks a very good bowler, South African are lucky b******s :D

[siddharth]

i think its not all about the speed of our bowlers...but more the aura...the aggression that speaks out of usual pakistani quicks that you don't see with Indian bowlers....

i guess its bc we have the legacy of wasim and waqar behind us (india never had those kinda bowlers)...the way our bowlers appeal...the airplanes...everything about it just screams 'FAST'...

i guess in comparison with the legacy of sachin etc...indian batsmen always look better and more confident batting in comparison to their paksitani counterparts
I agreed about Pakistani bowlers ''aura '' especially Imran ,Wasim ,Waqar .But i doubt that about Akhtar .

More than once he looked like a complete jackass ,for example his comedy during the last match with some leapords ,what the heck was that ? He did have that aura when he came in to the scene way back in 1999 when his only focus was bowling.

Now he is looking more like a drama baazzi .

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

but all arguments aside...its really sad to see a journalist of such a prominent cricket site callout a bowler a chucker..that is just sad and uncalled for...let the authorities speak out about it and then you can write about it but don't accuse someone when you don't have the authority...

VERY CHEAP STUFF...

[phoenix-suns]

You deliberately missed out his bowling average, which is miles better than Lee's.

Runs consumed is used for the calculation of bowlers average. Whatever I mentioned above still holds good for Shoaib's better average.

[siddharth]

you are comparing lee with akthar...Lee bowls on bowler friendly pitches most of his career...akthar has been given dust bowls...give akthar the same pitches as dale steyn or leee and he will knock some heads off
Akhtar's average in Australian pitches isn't that great .BTW i said Akhtar better than Lee.

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

I agreed about Pakistani bowlers ''aura '' especially Imran ,Wasim ,Waqar .But i doubt that about Akhtar .

More than once he looked like a complete jackass ,for example his comedy during the last match with some leapords ,what the heck was that ? He did have that aura when he came in to the scene way back in 1999 when his only focus was bowling.

Now he is looking more like a drama baazzi .


i wasn't speaking about akhtar...he isn't my favourite by any regards...i was just talking about the things i see different between pakistani and indian bowlers...

for years...i have been religiously watching test cricket....and for me the charm of test cricket is fast bowling....i dont even like watchin Paksitan bat...even when they are scoring big bc batting is boring and tests are won by bowlers i think....

but from what i have heard from my indian friends they turn the tv off when India is bowling but would die to watch sachin and co bat....i just think its about culture...Pakistan has a bowling cutlure so our bowling just always has that extra 'umph' and India is about batting...thats why you keep on producing class such as yuvi

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Akhtar's average in Australian pitches isn't that great .BTW i said Akhtar better than Lee.

i understand...but you have to also understand the difference of a bowler being raised in certain conditions...lee has been brought up on those pitches and can use them to great effect...when team visit Australia..they don't know how to play on those pitches...on top they face bowlers brought up to take wickets in those conditions hence the better record in those conditions...not sure if you understand...ahhh i gotta get back to work...

[jackal786]

Are you suggesting we should test bhaji's action during a match situation:21:


If we disagree that Bhajji should not be tested your argument holds valid.
I have no qualms in testing all the bowlers with suspect action.

[Fawad]

Runs consumed is used for the calculation of bowlers average. Whatever I mentioned above still holds good for Shoaib's better average.

Whatever mate, stats don't lie, Akhtar is a better bowler than Lee. Even now if they picked a World XI for a Test match, Akhtar would be a shoe in.

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Whatever mate, stats don't lie, Akhtar is a better bowler than Lee. Even now if they picked a World XI for a Test match, Akhtar would be a shoe in.


Fawad...i think Lee isnt far behind especially in Australian conditions...on top i think Lee is much more fitter thus making akthar seem much of liability at his age...

[siddharth]

Whatever mate, stats don't lie, Akhtar is a better bowler than Lee. Even now if they picked a World XI for a Test match, Akhtar would be a shoe in.

Shane Bond (pace ,accuracy and amazing swing)
D Steyn (Demon ,sustained fire power)
S Tait (Young ,fresh and at full tilt)
M Asif ( Metronome and can be devastating on help full conditions ).


I would choose that bowling line up on my world XI.

[phoenix-suns]

Whatever mate, stats don't lie, Akhtar is a better bowler than Lee. Even now if they picked a World XI for a Test match, Akhtar would be a shoe in.


You know what, If I was a Pak selector, I would not pick shoaib at all.

[Inswinger]

Sreesanth's action is very simmilar to Shoaib's so he must also be chucking.

[Fawad]

You know what, If I was a Pak selector, I would not pick shoaib at all.

I wouldn't pick him too, but not because of a lack of ability, he's too big for this team and his fitness is not upto the mark. When Wasim and Waqar were playing then Akhtar could have been accomodated because Waz and Wicky were all time great bowlers and Akhtar knew that.
From the current lot Akthar knows he's the best hence the carefree attitude. However, if Akhtar is to be replaced he should be replaced for a like-for like bowler not guys like Tanvir or Rao who are just line and length bowlers.

[Raz]

What has Sambit Bal and Cricinfo got to do with India? They are neutral. Afterall Cricinfo is the 'Home of Cricket'. :21:

:))) :))) :))) :))) :))) :))) One of the best jokes I have heard in my entire life!

[Raz]

Your post clearly shows who is the buffon who lost the plot :))
Srinath was defintely a tear away fast bowler who was praised by many including donald.

And your personal insults about call centers proves you have lost the argument big time

:))) :))) Mate you're the buffoon or "buffon" who actually believes this is true!

[phoenix-suns]

Sreesanth's action is very simmilar to Shoaib's so he must also be chucking.


Its like murali calling McGrath chucker when he was called chucker. LOL.

Its not only Indians who say Shoaib has a dodgy action. Players/ex-players from other countries too mentioned this.

Sreesanth has got a clean action which many commentator already mentioned. No one other than some fans here mentioned anything bad about sreesanth's action.

[Imy]

Phoneix Sun please explain this clip to me if Shoiab chucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jhM_II_qw

[Inswinger]

Dont worry, untill India can produce a 100 mph bowler the "journalists" will continue to call Shoaib a chucker even with all the evidence that he really does have hperextension of his elbow joint.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ1OcUxalwg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jhM_II_qw

[Showman]

Phoneix Sun please explain this clip to me if Shoiab chucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jhM_II_qw
lol, phoenix suns will give the typical response of "that video is fake".

Fact is people who say Akhtar doesn't chuck have the proof as he's been cleared by biomechanics experts. I'd rather trust their opinion over some fools who refuse to believe the proof and continue crying.

[siddharth]

Dont worry, untill India can produce a 100 mph bowler the "journalists" will continue to call Shoaib a chucker even with all the evidence that he really does have hperextension of his elbow joint.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ1OcUxalwg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jhM_II_qw
Okay ,man Indians are jealous of ur quickie .But ur own legends like Mushtaq Muhammed,Jalauddin also expressed the same opinion .

And experts like Mike Holding(don't say that the great is jealous of him) ,Andy roberts etc .

[Imy]

Siddarth opinion is fine i can say that the Moon is fake and I have an opinion but when some body shows me th0emoon or the clip on you tube you have to explain your self, PS I also wrote the same thing on Samit bals article on cricinfo asking him to explain the clip I hope cricinfo posts it

[siddharth]

Siddarth opinion is fine i can say that the Moon is fake and I have an opinion but when some body shows me th0emoon or the clip on you tube you have to explain your self, PS I also wrote the same thing on Samit bals article on cricinfo asking him to explain the clip I hope cricinfo posts it
The question is ''whether he chucks on the match or not '' .

[the_game]

Srinath was a "tearaway fast bowler"? Now I have heard everything! Bunch of delusional Indians in this thread.

[Inswinger]

Okay ,man Indians are jealous of ur quickie .But ur own legends like Mushtaq Muhammed,Jalauddin also expressed the same opinion .

And experts like Mike Holding(don't say that the great is jealous of him) ,Andy roberts etc .

Holding has changed his oppinion after the research on Akhtar's hyperextension. If bowling with a hyperextended arm is chucking then RP Singh is also a chucker. If fhyperextension gives Shoaib an advantage it is fair.

[siddharth]

Holding has changed his oppinion after the research on Akhtar's hyperextension. If bowling with a hyperextended arm is chucking then RP Singh is also a chucker. If fhyperextension gives Shoaib an advantage it is fair.

Hmmm...thats what Holding explained .

[Imy]

You cant Change the goal post they checked him in playing conditions when I cc had secret tests he came out fine, they checked him in th euniversity he passed you can see him fielding with a bent elbow in palying conditions nobody denies that his elbow bend backwrads now

Is he a waste of space yes, but lets be fair, throw stones when you have proof

[Indiafan]

:))) :))) :)))

.In 1996,Srinath was recorded at 157 kph against Zimbabwe in the 1st One day International match,in S Africa.The then worlds fastest bowler,Allan Donald was clocked at the highest pace of 147kph.That would mean that Srinath,if not the worlds fastest at that time,was easily amongst the 2-3 fastest bowlers of the world,with Donald and Waqar. In 1999,after his shoulder injury,in the World Cup,Srinath was officially clocked at 149.6kph which was the second fastest delievery of the tournament,against Australia.The fastest delievery was bowled by Shoib Akhtar of Pakistan which was at 154 kph.It clearly showed that even with age catching up and injury having eaten up his pace,Srinath was still easily one of the worlds fastest. In 2003 World Cup,Srinath was clocked at 143 kph,when his contemporaries like Donald and Waqar were struggling to clock 135kph. Even then,Srinath was never recognized as one of histories fastest bowler,which he certainly was.

[the_game]

.

And where did you get this "reliable" information from?

P.S: Still making me laugh, these delusions :))

[Imy]

India fan its about consistent pace Srinath was a fast bolwer but never consitently quick, The New Guy Ishant Sharma if he builds him self up may be come express. By express I mean Shoiab, Lee, Zahid, Marshall, waqar holding in his prime, Donald and Thompson, Deveon Malcom . Srinath was never in this leauge and neither was Imran

[phoenix-suns]

And where did you get this "reliable" information from?

P.S: Still making me laugh, these delusions :))


If you check Wasim's and Srinath's speed between 1995 and 2000, they were pretty much same. Wasim due to his ability of swinging the ball he was considered far better bowler than Srinath but speed was same. Whats wrong is saying srinath was one of the fastest bowlers when you can say wasim was one of those?

[phoenix-suns]

Phoneix Sun please explain this clip to me if Shoiab chucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jhM_II_qw


It does not prove that Shoaib dont chuck when he bowls during the match.

[Imy]

Phonix suns lets not go there are you seriously comparing Srinath to Wasim in his prime its like me comparing Danish to Kumble. Bihg diffrence in class

[phoenix-suns]

Phonix suns lets not go there are you seriously comparing Srinath to Wasim in his prime its like me comparing Danish to Kumble. Bihg diffrence in class


you did not get my point. I was only comparing their speed not the class. I mentioned it clearly that Wasim was a far better bowler than Srinath.

If you compare the way they turn the ball, obviously Danish turns the ball more than Kumble does but overall Kumble is far better bowler than danish.

[Imy]

Phoenix Sun how do you prove he does?? You can test and he passed them now what get arm chair critics to say he does

[Imy]

Sorry my baD

[Imy]

Personall I dont consider Wasim to be an express bolwer ever he was quick some times but never consistently quick

[phoenix-suns]

Personall I dont consider Wasim to be an express bolwer ever he was quick some times but never consistently quick


Yep me too think soo. Batsmen struggled to pick him for some reason, hence he looked quicker.

[phoenix-suns]

Phoenix Sun how do you prove he does?? You can test and he passed them now what get arm chair critics to say he does


I really dont understand how they test these things. when you look at the slo mo replay, anyone who sees that will get the feeling that he chucks. you cant just put everything into optical illusion, hyperextension,etc., the reason for that. Its not fair to bowlers who have cleaner action.

[the_game]

I really dont understand how they test these things. when you look at the slo mo replay, anyone who sees that will get the feeling that he chucks. you cant just put everything into optical illusion, hyperextension,etc., the reason for that. Its not fair to bowlers who have cleaner action.

And that is why they don't listen to you, but they listen to biomechanists :) . A growth on your body might look like a wart to you, but might be diagnosed a cancerous tumor by a doctor. You are not an expert; better not to accuse someone based on your very limited knowledge.

[swaziboy]

Well i will call shoaib a chucker if all the chukers are singled out and not him individually..
If he is a chucker all of the following are :

(1) Harbajan
(2) Lee
(3) Sreesanth
(4) Mills
(5) RP Singh
(6) Murali

I am amazed how ppl are quick to react at him when their are plenty on the world scene at the moment who are doing the same thing.
He among all others is the only one who has definite hyperextension...

you forgot one JIMMY KUMANDE of kenya who had a dodgy action

[xtwo]

The question is ''whether he chucks on the match or not '' .
That question is valid for every single bowler playing international cricket. Why single out shoib only?? The last time ICC did that in a tournament, even bowlers like pollock and mcgrath were bending their arms to 12 degrees.

[siddharth]

That question is valid for every single bowler playing international cricket. Why single out shoib only?? The last time ICC did that in a tournament, even bowlers like pollock and mcgrath were bending their arms to 12 degrees.
under 15 degree still .see it is easy to find bowlers with normal hand whether they chuck or not or under 15 degrees, which is almost impossible with bowlers with hyperextension.

[Fawad]

indianfan, there is no way in hell that Srinath clocked 157kph, especially with his physical frame. He may have been a 140+ kph but no way did he exceed 150kph.

[Bailan]

Well... It doesn't seem that he's got a high regard for biomechanists.


offcourse, what will a fool with a simple arts/journalisim degree understand of anything of science and technology.

let the fools burn themselves in anguish and despair.

[the_game]

offcourse, what will a fool with a simple arts/journalisim degree understand of anything of science and technology.

let the fools burn themselves in anguish and despair.

:)) Best reply Sambit will ever get!

[Geordie Ahmed]

Sambit Lal is a *****

Thank You

[saffer]

Everyone knows he throws....just be honest with yourself .

[Indiafan]

offcourse, what will a fool with a simple arts/journalisim degree understand of anything of science and technology.

let the fools burn themselves in anguish and despair.

Yes the whole world is jealous of Mr. Akhtar. Wonder why no one have such major issues with better bowlers(current) like McGrath, Lee etc :P

[Geordie Ahmed]

Everyone knows he throws....just be honest with yourself .

You are an idiot

just be honest with yourself

[Caved12]

offcourse, what will a fool with a simple arts/journalisim degree understand of anything of science and technology.

let the fools burn themselves in anguish and despair.

let me say exactly what the_game said.

Best reply Sambit will ever get! :))

[the_game]

You are an idiot

just be honest with yourself

:))

[Arif_India]

Dont worry, untill India can produce a 100 mph bowler the "journalists" will continue to call Shoaib a chucker even with all the evidence that he really does have hperextension of his elbow joint.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ1OcUxalwg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_jhM_II_qw


For all those who are saying that in the first video Holding has agreed that Shoaib's action looks dodgy because of his hyperextension please take a look again.

Holding in this video has compared Shoaib with RP Singh who both have hyperextension of the arm. Their action from the side looks similar. But when you see their action from front camera, you can clearly see that Shoaib's arm is not straight, and RP Singh is straight. This is what is called Chucking and this what Chappel was concerned about.

As for my view, I think Shoaib is an excellent bowler, but when he tries to get the extra pace he definitely bends his arm.

In the 2nd ODI when Pakistan chased 320 odd, Shoaib was bowling with a short run-up and wasn't generating a lot of pace but his control was excellent and he tied down the Indian batsmen thus restricting India to a score of 320 when they could have easily scored 360. So Shoaib doesnt need to chuck to be a great bowler.

[vic_sheikh]

jackal, erm m8 like i sed before it may appear to the naked eye that he chucks but hes got a hyperextension of the elbow. that is the reason for such suspicions

No, I'm sorry, but that's not true. I'm a Pakistan supporter, and love to see Shoaib bowl, but during parts of the series, you could see his action change with a different run up.

Ian Chappel gave the best description of chucking I've heard. He said that if you bowl the delivery with your force and pressure for releasing the ball coming from your shoulder to your elbow (upper arm), you do not chuck. But if the force comes from your forearm, you do. If you think about it, it makes sense.

At certain times when Shoaib bowled, you could tell he pushed the ball more from his elbow to his hand. This had nothing to do with hyper extension. Even certain Indian bowlers have hyper extensions, but you could tell they dont throw. Sadly, Shoaib does on occasion.

[phoenix-suns]

No, I'm sorry, but that's not true. I'm a Pakistan supporter, and love to see Shoaib bowl, but during parts of the series, you could see his action change with a different run up.

Ian Chappel gave the best description of chucking I've heard. He said that if you bowl the delivery with your force and pressure for releasing the ball coming from your shoulder to your elbow (upper arm), you do not chuck. But if the force comes from your forearm, you do. If you think about it, it makes sense.

At certain times when Shoaib bowled, you could tell he pushed the ball more from his elbow to his hand. This had nothing to do with hyper extension. Even certain Indian bowlers have hyper extensions, but you could tell they dont throw. Sadly, Shoaib does on occasion.

You are going to be called idiot. They are going to question your nationality.

[vic_sheikh]

You are going to be called idiot. They are going to question your nationality.

My point is that his natural bowling action is not throwing. But rarely, his action is somehow offset and he does I guess throw the ball. Being Pakistani shouldnt make one blind to what you can see with your eyes.

[the_game]

No, I'm sorry, but that's not true. I'm a Pakistan supporter, and love to see Shoaib bowl, but during parts of the series, you could see his action change with a different run up.

Ian Chappel gave the best description of chucking I've heard. He said that if you bowl the delivery with your force and pressure for releasing the ball coming from your shoulder to your elbow (upper arm), you do not chuck. But if the force comes from your forearm, you do. If you think about it, it makes sense.

At certain times when Shoaib bowled, you could tell he pushed the ball more from his elbow to his hand. This had nothing to do with hyper extension. Even certain Indian bowlers have hyper extensions, but you could tell they dont throw. Sadly, Shoaib does on occasion.

SOOO...when did you get your biomechanics degree? Oh wait, you don't have one. Not interested.

[phoenix-suns]

SOOO...when did you get your biomechanics degree? Oh wait, you don't have one. Not interested.


is force coming from the arm or not? if yes then shoaib is chucking..

[jackal786]

SOOO...when did you get your biomechanics degree? Oh wait, you don't have one. Not interested.

Do you really need a bio mechanical expert to tell you that somebody is throwing? :P Are pair of eyes not enough?

[the_game]

Do you really need a bio mechanical expert to tell you that somebody is throwing? :P Are pair of eyes not enough?

That's why it's called an optical "illusion". Dictionary.com. Look it up.

[jackal786]

That's why it's called an optical "illusion". Dictionary.com. Look it up.

Come on.. i have seen pitching in base ball. What he does while bowling those faster ones is not very different. His action changes only when he bowls fast ! So we have "selective optical illusion"?. Especially Dravid's dismissal was 100% unadulterated chucking. No problem. He didn't cause any damage to India apart from his first test against India even with that "special abilities".

I can easily cheat bio mechanical expert with proper bowling action and chuck in the real match. How hard is that. It's okay. he is an exciting bowler to watch. But this stigma will always be there rightfully.

[the_game]

Come on.. i have seen pitching in base ball. What he does while bowling those faster ones is not very different. His action changes only when he bowls fast ! So we have "selective optical illusion"?. Especially Dravid's dismissal was 100% unadulterated chucking. No problem. He didn't cause any damage to India apart from his first test against India even with that "special abilities".

I can easily cheat bio mechanical expert with proper bowling action and chuck in the real match. How hard is that. It's okay. he is an exciting bowler to watch. But this stigma will always be there rightfully.

Since it's so easy to "cheat" the biomechanical experts, I'm sure RP Singh and Harbhajan have done that quite a number of times as well. You say timatar, I say tomato :) .

[jackal786]

Since it's so easy to "cheat" the biomechanical experts, I'm sure RP Singh and Harbhajan have done that quite a number of times as well. You say timatar, I say tomato :) .


RP singh is a chucker? Since when.. Holding compared RP with Sohaib to show that both have same hyper extension.. one is chucking other one is not.

[Hash]

Shoaib has severe hyper extension.

It has already been proven that Shoaib does not chuck so all of this is meaningless. Chucking is the bending and then straightening o the arm. Shoaib's arm does not bend or straighten....it 'extends' backwards. Hence the illusion that he is chucking. This is not my opinion but has been proven by biomechanic experts at the University of Western Australia. So those who say 'he chucks' should just get over it. He doesn't.

[phoenix-suns]

Shoaib and Murali are the two luckiest bowlers in the world chucking without getting caught or banned. I dont understand why they singled out Shabbir. I feel sorry for him.

[aabbasi]

:23: .How many series pakistan played in India in 20 years .?

1987,1999,2005 ,2007 ....4 series out of that pak won 1 ,draw 2 ,lost 1


Indians played 1989 ,2004 ,2006 3 series out of that 1 draw ,India-1 ,Pak -1.

My Indian friend replied that way ,because some of u people bring this 27 years . It would have been better had they played more series than those numbers .

You seem to forget the ban that your sports minister had on the cricket, just because your so called world class batters were afraid of Wasim, Waqar, Zahid.

Pakistan pace battery was at its prime peak during the 1990s and we did not have any series other then the one in 1998.

[subshakerz]

Shoaib has severe hyper extension.

It has already been proven that Shoaib does not chuck so all of this is meaningless. Chucking is the bending and then straightening o the arm. Shoaib's arm does not bend or straighten....it 'extends' backwards. Hence the illusion that he is chucking. This is not my opinion but has been proven by biomechanic experts at the University of Western Australia. So those who say 'he chucks' should just get over it. He doesn't.

I held the same opinion until this series actually. I always thought Shoaib's natural action was clean, but occasionally his action looked different and you could tell he was putting effort in his forearm. How can you explain his action looking different at times?

You have to understand that having a hyperextension doesnt mean you cant throw. Around the point of delivery, the shoulder, arm and wrist need to be straight (unless they cant straighten, like Murali). You shouldnt be able to see a hyperextension from a behind view or front on view if someone doesnt throw, only from a side on. If Shoaib does put some effort in his forearm, his action changes and you can tell.

You don't need a biomechanics degree to know the basics of what throwing is. Simply put, if you put the force in your forearm when bowling, you are throwing.

[subshakerz]

Shoaib and Murali are the two luckiest bowlers in the world chucking without getting caught or banned. I dont understand why they singled out Shabbir. I feel sorry for him.

Murali doesnt throw. When he bowls, the force clearly comes from his shoulder, not his forearm. His arm is permanently bent, meaning he cant straighten it, which gives the impression he chucks when he actually doesnt.

[siddharth]

Murali doesnt throw. When he bowls, the force clearly comes from his shoulder, not his forearm. His arm is permanently bent, meaning he cant straighten it, which gives the impression he chucks when he actually doesnt.
But his doosra got an usual jerk in it which was directly copied by bhajji as well .

[flawed_genius]

Tait faster than Akhtar? hahaa! Not even Lee could break his record.

As for chucking all three have been reported.

[Hash]

I held the same opinion until this series actually. I always thought Shoaib's natural action was clean, but occasionally his action looked different and you could tell he was putting effort in his forearm. How can you explain his action looking different at times?


The more effort he puts into the delivery the more his arm will extend, obviously.

[subshakerz]

But his doosra got an usual jerk in it which was directly copied by bhajji as well .

The jerk is due to the fact that when the doosra is bowled, you arm is twisted in a way different from normal deliveries. Murali still uses his shoulder when bowling the doosra, but admittedly it is very hard to bowl the doosra legally.

[Showman]

These chucking allegations will come to anyone who is unbelievably quick. People questioned Shoaib and Lee and now Vettori questioned Tait's action.

Fact is that Shoaib has been cleared by the experts, his hyperextension being the root cause of why it looks like he throws. But the some people will continue to ignore what has been proven by the experts just because Shoaib is that quick and that good. I think some people are still complaining about Akhtar's delivery to Dravid because it was just too good for Dravid to play and thats hard for them to believe.

I say who gives a **** what these people think, even if Shoaib is cleared over and over again, people will still call him a chucker. If people want to continuously whine about this, then let them, it won't make a difference.

[MIG]

I accuse Samit Bal of being a chucker - he chucks lies all the time ....

You can accuse Shoaib of many things:

1. Drama bazee
2. Talking too much
3. indiscipline
4. Steroids etc

but chucking is not one of them. Its been proven/shown too many times to mention - I would suggest Samit Mian turn his attention closer to home - to Sardar Sahib.

[IMMY69]

If you check Wasim's and Srinath's speed between 1995 and 2000, they were pretty much same. Wasim due to his ability of swinging the ball he was considered far better bowler than Srinath but speed was same. Whats wrong is saying srinath was one of the fastest bowlers when you can say wasim was one of those?


what complete utter nonsense...

firstly wasim made his debut in 1985...so to compare his speed to srinaths in 1995, after wasim had been playing 10 years of international cricket is just plain stupid...

furthermore, speed guns were rarely used until 1999 world cup...so from 1995 to 1999 only australia and south africa had any reliable speed guns...

wasim, betweem 1985 and 1992, was rapid.

end of argument

[Cryin Out Loud]

Again, Shoiab does not chuck. Sambit Ball can kiss my, erm, ***.

[Long_Live_Pakistan]

who the **** is samit ball.....get lost

[SUPERSAMI]

No mention of Harby by Sambit, if your gonna after the chuckers than go after all of them.

[phoenix-suns]

what complete utter nonsense...

firstly wasim made his debut in 1985...so to compare his speed to srinaths in 1995, after wasim had been playing 10 years of international cricket is just plain stupid...

furthermore, speed guns were rarely used until 1999 world cup...so from 1995 to 1999 only australia and south africa had any reliable speed guns...

wasim, betweem 1985 and 1992, was rapid.

end of argument

Relax. Looks like you did not get what I was saying. But you mentioned the fact that Wasim was very quick only until 92 which I did not disagree. If someone who was fast until 92, then why people used to consider him as one of the fearsome fast bowlers even after 2000. All I said was Srinath too bowled at similar speed as Wasim during 95 to 2000, so nothing wrong in mentioning srinath was one of the fearsome fast bowlers.

"speed guns were rarely used until 1999 world cup...so from 1995 to 1999"
Maybe not in subcontinent But it was very common in Aus and SA during that time. if I am not wrong, when India toured SA in 96. I remember Srinath clocking 150K+ in that series. maybe one of those effort balls from srinath. still he did.

[phoenix-suns]

You seem to forget the ban that your sports minister had on the cricket, just because your so called world class batters were afraid of Wasim, Waqar, Zahid.

Pakistan pace battery was at its prime peak during the 1990s and we did not have any series other then the one in 1998.


Yeah Pace battery could not beat zimbabwe at home. Pakistan was a very unpredictable team those days, so noway you cud say that Pakistan wud have demolished india. BTW india did tour pakistan in 89 where your pace batteries could not win even a single match.

Yes our batters were scared of Wasim/Waqar like your Wasim was scared of Indian team in 96 worldcup and faked an injury to sit in the pavilion to see his team getting slaughtered (especially fastest bowler waqar getting wacked all over the park by jadeja)

[Fawad]

Yeah Pace battery could not beat zimbabwe at home. Pakistan was very unpredictable team those days, so noway you cud say that Pakistan wud have demolished india. BTW india did tour pakistan in 89 where your pace batteries could not win even a single match.

Yes our batters were scared of Wasim/Waqar like your Wasim was scared of Indian team in 96 worldcup and faked an injury to sit in the pavilion to see his team getting slaughtered (especially fastest bowler waqar getting wacked all over the part by jadeja)

Jadeja's only glory came when for once that idiot got the better of Waqar. 99 times out of 100 Waqar would have knocked his head off, Jadeja isn't fit to lick Waqar's boots. As a matter of fact no Indian bowler ever can measure upto Waqar, Wasim and Imran.

[pakcricketfan]

by the way....who's this Sambit Bal..??! And does his remarks matter?!! No...yaar!!Let him say wat he wants to....!!Senseless comments dont make sense, do they?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Come on.. i have seen pitching in base ball. What he does while bowling those faster ones is not very different. His action changes only when he bowls fast ! So we have "selective optical illusion"?. Especially Dravid's dismissal was 100% unadulterated chucking. No problem. He didn't cause any damage to India apart from his first test against India even with that "special abilities".

I can easily cheat bio mechanical expert with proper bowling action and chuck in the real match. How hard is that. It's okay. he is an exciting bowler to watch. But this stigma will always be there rightfully.

Yeah because Biomechanical experts are idiots and they are not aware at what pace Akhtar bowlers in a match :30: :30:

[the_game]

Yeah because Biomechanical experts are idiots and they are not aware at what pace Akhtar bowlers in a match :30: :30:

Apparently, Sambit Bal seems to have a doctorate in the field Geordie, so who am I to argue :)) ?

[phoenix-suns]

Jadeja's only glory came when for once that idiot got the better of Waqar. 99 times out of 100 Waqar would have knocked his head off, Jadeja isn't fit to lick Waqar's boots. As a matter of fact no Indian bowler ever can measure upto Waqar, Wasim and Imran.

What makes you to think Waqar would have knocked jadeja's head off? They both met few times during that time. Waqar could not dominate even once. for that matter, waqar never done well against india at all. I would say, if India played pakistan more during that time Sachin would have thrashed all your great bowlers like he did in 2003 world cup. So just stop "would have", "could have" stuff, it works both ways.

[phoenix-suns]

Apparently, Sambit Bal seems to have a doctorate in the field Geordie, so who am I to argue :)) ?


Wow. Looks like Sambit Bal touched all these PPers nervers. Hats off to Sambit who is brave enough to mention it on the most popular and number 1 cricket website.

[siddharth]

Wow. Looks like Sambit Bal touched all these PPers nervers. Hats off to Sambit who is brave enough to mention it on the most popular and number 1 cricket website.
Akhtar fans are fuming with anger .What more sambit wants? :23:

[Showman]

What makes you to think Waqar would have knocked jadeja's head off? They both met few times during that time. Waqar could not dominate even once. for that matter, waqar never done well against india at all. I would say, if India played pakistan more during that time Sachin would have thrashed all your great bowlers like he did in 2003 world cup. So just stop "would have", "could have" stuff, it works both ways.
lol you're using a game in which our bowlers were well past their prime as an example? How about when Waqar and Sachin first met, do you remember what happened then?

[siddharth]

lol you're using a game in which our bowlers were well past their prime as an example? How about when Waqar and Sachin first met, do you remember what happened then?
How about Waqar and sachin last met ,do u remember what happened then? :P

[Showman]

How about Waqar and sachin last met ,do u remember what happened then? :P
Yea, I already said that Waqar was well past his prime. All I'm trying to say is that if you want to use an example, why would you use one with Waqar Younis who was a shell of himself.

[phoenix-suns]

lol you're using a game in which our bowlers were well past their prime as an example? How about when Waqar and Sachin first met, do you remember what happened then?


If I am not wrong, Pakistan Pace batteries could not win even a single test match in that series against india's one of the worst teams. Yes sachin got hit, if you check Waqar's average in the series, you wont see waqar hit sachin. Overall his stats was nothing great in that series.

[pakcricketfan]

How come Waqar,Sachin n Jadeja landed here..?!This was sumthing about that senseless,useless remark from a silly guy about Shoaib...isnt it?!

[phoenix-suns]

Yea, I already said that Waqar was well past his prime. All I'm trying to say is that if you want to use an example, why would you use one with Waqar Younis who was a shell of himself.


You guys used Pakistan's tour to india in 1999 for the reason why Pakistan would have demolished India if they had played more in 90s. As for as the bilateral series is concerned, record says draw. Pakistan last time won series in india was in 87 not 99 like your friends think. India played Pakistan in 89, just ahead of 90s, which India played beautifully to draw the series. Next time india went back to Pak in 2004 which we all know how indian team dominated both ODI and the test series. in between 89 and 2004, we never know, during the time wasim/waqar were doing well, sachin too was at peak of his career and kumble was deadly on subcontinental wickets. We had quite a few FTB in our team too.

[Fawad]

What makes you to think Waqar would have knocked jadeja's head off? They both met few times during that time. Waqar could not dominate even once. for that matter, waqar never done well against india at all. I would say, if India played pakistan more during that time Sachin would have thrashed all your great bowlers like he did in 2003 world cup. So just stop "would have", "could have" stuff, it works both ways.

Jadeja is a nothing, a nobody, a peon, while Waqar is an all time great, so what Waqar didn't do well against India, every player has a team which he struggles against. The great Tendulkar struggles against South Africa. Over the years Pakistan has proved more world class players than India.

PS: Akhtar is still in India and I hope Sambit Lal doesn't cross Akhtar's path. :120:

[daddy]

typical loser indians and their fantasy lala land bala media guy

[daddy]

phoenix-sun dont be a sore loser. india was a MORE PATHETIC team than it is now a land of losers. india NEVER won a test series in pakistan EVER during wasim or waqar's era or prior to that.
while pakistan did that.
TO THIS DAY, in both odi's and test's pakistan has a better record agianst every team as well as head to head against india.

many many matches were played between india and pakistan, in sharjah among other places. i think that's a neutral venue. and the results are tellling, india just used to and always got HAMMERED by pakistan, no tendulkar or jadeja who YOU SAY would've beat waqar could do nothing.

stop lying for once i know it's an indian custom use lies trickery deceit among other heinous means, but when dealing with international media customs forumers or whatever else, you need to get rid of your indian habits.

[pakcricketfan]

Now this is rather making me laugh!!! Never knew one cud b so envious of the fastest bowler in the world...just coz he is not from their country!! No wonder y this world is full of jealousy n envy!!

[volcyz]

Relax. Looks like you did not get what I was saying. But you mentioned the fact that Wasim was very quick only until 92 which I did not disagree. If someone who was fast until 92, then why people used to consider him as one of the fearsome fast bowlers even after 2000. All I said was Srinath too bowled at similar speed as Wasim during 95 to 2000, so nothing wrong in mentioning srinath was one of the fearsome fast bowlers.

"speed guns were rarely used until 1999 world cup...so from 1995 to 1999"
Maybe not in subcontinent But it was very common in Aus and SA during that time. if I am not wrong, when India toured SA in 96. I remember Srinath clocking 150K+ in that series. maybe one of those effort balls from srinath. still he did.

Sami also clocked 165kph or something

[phoenix-suns]

phoenix-sun dont be a sore loser. india was a MORE PATHETIC team than it is now a land of losers. india NEVER won a test series in pakistan EVER during wasim or waqar's era or prior to that.
while pakistan did that.
TO THIS DAY, in both odi's and test's pakistan has a better record agianst every team as well as head to head against india.

many many matches were played between india and pakistan, in sharjah among other places. i think that's a neutral venue. and the results are tellling, india just used to and always got HAMMERED by pakistan, no tendulkar or jadeja who YOU SAY would've beat waqar could do nothing.

stop lying for once i know it's an indian custom use lies trickery deceit among other heinous means, but when dealing with international media customs forumers or whatever else, you need to get rid of your indian habits.

LOL.

yes, indians are the worst people in the world. Happy?

relax and go to bed.

[Lightning]

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