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waqar_ahmad
29th December 2007, 20:38
ARY is reporting this. If true, a very bad move by PPP leadership. With leaders like Aitezaz Ahsan in the its ranks, PPP should not have loked at a newbie just coz he is BB's son. I dont understand why the PPP can't choose a leader from outside the Bhutto family

Toony™®
29th December 2007, 20:42
goies back to my thread- politics in pakistan is a joke. There is no internal democracy electing
their leaders.

Raz
29th December 2007, 20:48
ARY is reporting this. If true, a very bad move by PPP leadership. With leaders like Aitezaz Ahsan in the its ranks, PPP should not have loked at a newbie just coz he is BB's son. I dont understand why the PPP can't choose a leader from outside the Bhutto family

I agree, why have someone like Zardari, when there are people like Ahsan. It really is baffling what the hell is PPP thinking? I really hope this is not true!

waqar_ahmad
29th December 2007, 20:55
It might be true Raz. A kid who doesnt know shittt abt pakistan, its people, or its politics, heading a party with a true leader like Aitezaz Ahsan. I hope somethign happens that teached the Bhuttos to keep out of PPP affairs for good

Serendipity
29th December 2007, 21:06
There are sub factions in PPP - who were controlled by BB/Bhutto dynasty - Various personalities etc, will not agree to Ahsan, plus he prob wont command much following and respects in some quarters in PPP despite his principled stand etc.

If true - Bilawal will be a dummy face only to keep in the family.

12thMan
29th December 2007, 21:30
Maybe he becomes like Sonia Gandhi who leads congress party but PM is someone else. Anyway he is too young to be elected for anything so it is just a figure. But I am surprised that they didn't name the kids Bhutto

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
29th December 2007, 21:30
Shameful and absolutely embarrassing! This is not a democratic political party but a family jageer. I was just beginning to become a PPP sympathizer. Why they went with a kid who hasn’t even finished high school when there are men of the caliber of Aitzaz Ahsan in the party is beyong me. Everyone knows Aitzaz Ahsan - the man is a hero. Who is Bilawal Zardari?

Absolutely sickening, shameful and embarrassing!

waqar_ahmad
29th December 2007, 21:33
Right MT, I was for the first time in my life,m beginning to see some hope for good and honesty in the PPP. But if this report turns out to be correct, PPP should pay for this mistake. And I hope they do

hello143
29th December 2007, 21:59
Shameful and absolutely embarrassing! This is not a democratic political party but a family jageer. I was just beginning to become a PPP sympathizer. Why they went with a kid who hasn’t even finished high school when there are men of the caliber of Aitzaz Ahsan in the party is beyong me. Everyone knows Aitzaz Ahsan - the man is a hero. Who is Bilawal Zardari?

Absolutely sickening, shameful and embarrassing!

Regarding Aitzaz Ahsan being a hero, this is what i found of him while trying to know more about him.

Link (http://www.mqm.org/English-News/May-2007/real_face_of_aitzaz_ahsan.htm)

Wiji
29th December 2007, 22:17
You know what would be a bigger joke: If he wins the elections on the 8th of January.

deviously~fading~away
29th December 2007, 22:27
I saw an interview of his a few months back where he stated that he wasn't even interested in politics.

PlanetPakistan
29th December 2007, 22:28
What the heck?? He is an 18 year old kid who recently said that he isn't even interested in politics :20:

PlanetPakistan
29th December 2007, 22:29
I saw an interview of his a few months back where he stated that he wasn't interested in politics
sorry i missed your post- yes it was on Aik din geo kay sath(with Benazir)

deviously~fading~away
29th December 2007, 22:30
sorry i missed your post- yes it was on Aik din geo kay sath(with Benazir)
i think he is a student at the Oxford University currently

PlanetPakistan
29th December 2007, 22:36
i think he is a student at Oxford university currently
Yeah i just looked up. He is 18

waqar_ahmad
29th December 2007, 22:39
Wel, at least he is voting age

Zeenix
29th December 2007, 23:22
Guys its not confirmed yet. Plus, politics is about not letting the popular wave go away. ATM the people sympathies are with the BHUTTO Family, so if they throw in a member of BHutto family, the will retain the vote bank. I for once support this decision, because only this will allow the country to resume back to normal, otherwise i see the situation getting worst everyday. Only a member of the Bhutto family has the authority to calm down the people. Pakistan is on fire at the moment. Those sitting outside can't even think about what's happening here. Riots are everywhere, Lots of damage to life and property has been inflicted. TO get back to normal we need a person of Bhutto family so that he/she can pacify the agitated nation.

MIG
30th December 2007, 00:11
Iss ko bhee mardaingay - Pagal hee hoga jo yah position lay ga.

a2z
30th December 2007, 00:11
Jang's website is reporting that Sanam Bhutto (Benazir's sister) will be named as new Chairperson.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
30th December 2007, 00:53
Guys its not confirmed yet. Plus, politics is about not letting the popular wave go away. ATM the people sympathies are with the BHUTTO Family, so if they throw in a member of BHutto family, the will retain the vote bank. I for once support this decision, because only this will allow the country to resume back to normal, otherwise i see the situation getting worst everyday. Only a member of the Bhutto family has the authority to calm down the people. Pakistan is on fire at the moment. Those sitting outside can't even think about what's happening here. Riots are everywhere, Lots of damage to life and property has been inflicted. TO get back to normal we need a person of Bhutto family so that he/she can pacify the agitated nation.

Zee, one justification that is being used is that Bhutto family/name is the only thing that can keep PPP and therefore, Pakistan together. if that is so, maybe the PPP and this country aren't worth keeping together.

I'm getting sick of this provincialism garbage. I'm of Punjabi background and have never thought of myself as anything other than Pakistani. if these bhutto ***** jiyalas in interior Sindh need Bhutto more than Pakistan, they I believe they should go screw themselves. Pakistan comes before Bhutto, Sharif or even a leader of Quaid-e-Azam's stature for that matter and both of Benazir and her father were no Quaid.

I read the Sindhi peasants were saying that Benazir was their mother and Bhutto their father and now they don't have any shelter, etc. someone ask these peasants if Benazir and Bhutto cared so much about them, then why are they still peasants, illiterate and are no better than sheep decades after Bhutto came to the scene.

Toony™®
30th December 2007, 00:59
Geo are saying its Bhutto's sister too.. same difference!

a2z
30th December 2007, 01:27
Zee, one justification that is being used is that Bhutto family/name is the only thing that can keep PPP and therefore, Pakistan together. if that is so, maybe the PPP and this country aren't worth keeping together.

I'm getting sick of this provincialism garbage. I'm of Punjabi background and have never thought of myself as anything other than Pakistani. if these bhutto ***** jiyalas in interior Sindh need Bhutto more than Pakistan, they I believe they should go screw themselves. Pakistan comes before Bhutto, Sharif or even a leader of Quaid-e-Azam's stature for that matter and both of Benazir and her father were no Quaid.

I read the Sindhi peasants were saying that Benazir was their mother and Bhutto their father and now they don't have any shelter, etc. someone ask these peasants if Benazir and Bhutto cared so much about them, then why are they still peasants, illiterate and are no better than sheep decades after Bhutto came to the scene.

You must remember that Pakistan is a federation comprising of several ethnic groups. The spirit of federation suggests that you must respect the wishes of all the groups that form the federation. If Sindhis idolize Bhuttos or Balochs choose Bugtis as their leader, then Punjabis must respect their wishes, even if they think that Bhuttos or Bugtis are corrupt or traitor or whatever.

Punjabis need to respect the leadership of minority ethnic groups no matter what is their opinion about them. That is the only way how federal democracy can work. Think about East Pakistan fiasco if choose to do otherwise.

Disclaimer: I am a born and bred Punjabi myself.

wazim87
30th December 2007, 01:51
They will be deciding tomorrow, not today

shahzad_1
30th December 2007, 02:03
It is so messed up in Sindh. they need to do something serious there. Wadeera System is so strong there till today. Whatever there Wadeera says they would do that. You know they don't let their kids get education.
There is lack of nationalism in that part of our country.

I think, we need Khomeini figure in Paksitan. Cut down all the old usleless trees. Lets make a fresh garden.

161
30th December 2007, 03:06
PPP's aim right now is to elect a PM and end Musharraf's monopoly.

The Bhutto name carries widespread support and is the best option right now get votes...

So for the short term having BB's sister as chairman is a wise choice just to get the PPP back in to the game.

But in the long run they have to create an ideological base.

sunny92
30th December 2007, 13:24
Well according to the current rules in Pakistan Benazir's son is too young contest.
But you never know PPP might struck another deal with Mushy and get it revised!

From Election Commission Pakistan's website:

Q 18 What is the minimum age for becoming a candidate for National Assembly of Pakistan?
Ans. Twenty five years.

Q19. What is the minimum age for becoming a candidate for a Provincial Assembly?
Ans. 25 years.

Q 20. What is the minimum age for contesting election to the Senate?
Ans. 30 years.

Q 21. What is the minimum age for becoming a candidate for office of the President?
Ans. 45 years.

http://www.ecp.gov.pk/content/faqs.html

Joseph K.
30th December 2007, 13:55
You must remember that Pakistan is a federation comprising of several ethnic groups. The spirit of federation suggests that you must respect the wishes of all the groups that form the federation. If Sindhis idolize Bhuttos or Balochs choose Bugtis as their leader, then Punjabis must respect their wishes, even if they think that Bhuttos or Bugtis are corrupt or traitor or whatever.

Punjabis need to respect the leadership of minority ethnic groups no matter what is their opinion about them. That is the only way how federal democracy can work. Think about East Pakistan fiasco if choose to do otherwise.

Disclaimer: I am a born and bred Punjabi myself.

Such sentiments are quite common in Punjab. Maybe we need education to understand the concept of 'federation' and look at the bigger picture. Since Punjab has the highest literacy/education rate, people from this province are more open to the ideas of unity and federation. Having said that, look at the huge numbers of apparently 'educated' sheep in Karachi led by a terrorist from overseas which proves my point invalid. You can't define Pakistan, must be the most confusing place in the whole blinking world!

Zeenix
30th December 2007, 14:38
Zee, one justification that is being used is that Bhutto family/name is the only thing that can keep PPP and therefore, Pakistan together. if that is so, maybe the PPP and this country aren't worth keeping together.

I'm getting sick of this provincialism garbage. I'm of Punjabi background and have never thought of myself as anything other than Pakistani. if these bhutto ***** jiyalas in interior Sindh need Bhutto more than Pakistan, they I believe they should go screw themselves. Pakistan comes before Bhutto, Sharif or even a leader of Quaid-e-Azam's stature for that matter and both of Benazir and her father were no Quaid.




See MT, this is what mean. I read todays newspaper The News in which it was reported that the whole of PPP top leadership, and specifically Asif Zardari, has angrily stopped people from raising anti-federation slogans. According to them BB always wanted a strong Pakistan Federation, and any slogans against Pakistani federation will not be tolerated. They also said that it was inline with BB wishes that they support the Federation. This country might not be worth keeping together for you, but for the majority of Pakistanis this country stands first. If any person has the capability to hold the country together at the time of this crisis, he gets my support.



I read the Sindhi peasants were saying that Benazir was their mother and Bhutto their father and now they don't have any shelter, etc. someone ask these peasants if Benazir and Bhutto cared so much about them, then why are they still peasants, illiterate and are no better than sheep decades after Bhutto came to the scene.

As for this statement, get a reality check, and you will be in for a shock. The Sindhi peasants and farmers are quite correct that BB was their mother and Bhutto was their father because thousands of acres of Bhutto ancestral lands were distributed amongst them when Bhutto brought the land reforms. He started the process with himself. most of the farmers in Larkana, Garhi and Nodairo having their own lands is due to Bhutto..

umerz
30th December 2007, 14:49
they don't have democracy with in their parties and they cry so much for democracy in Pakistan

traps
30th December 2007, 15:34
Looks like the elections are to be postponed for "up to 4 months". (Sky news)

Joseph K.
30th December 2007, 16:37
See MT, this is what mean. I read todays newspaper The News in which it was reported that the whole of PPP top leadership, and specifically Asif Zardari, has angrily stopped people from raising anti-federation slogans. According to them BB always wanted a strong Pakistan Federation, and any slogans against Pakistani federation will not be tolerated. They also said that it was inline with BB wishes that they support the Federation. This country might not be worth keeping together for you, but for the majority of Pakistanis this country stands first. If any person has the capability to hold the country together at the time of this crisis, he gets my support.



As for this statement, get a reality check, and you will be in for a shock. The Sindhi peasants and farmers are quite correct that BB was their mother and Bhutto was their father because thousands of acres of Bhutto ancestral lands were distributed amongst them when Bhutto brought the land reforms. He started the process with himself. most of the farmers in Larkana, Garhi and Nodairo having their own lands is due to Bhutto..

This is very true. Bhutto wanted land reforms and I still remember him talking about breaking the power of the landowners. Actually this was the issue that turned everybody against him and PPP was left alone against an alliance of nine other major political parties. A survey of these nine parties reveals the unholy alliance of Mullahs and landowners. These people welcomed the military dictator who hanged Bhutto on their behest. That was the end of any socialist revolution in Pakistan for all times to come.

in_cutter
30th December 2007, 17:41
Breaking news on SKY

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1298680,00.html

Joseph K.
30th December 2007, 17:56
More interestingly, his dad is back in the picture as a "co"-chairman. Go Mr 10% go. Now use the sympathy vote and resume the business where it was rudely interrupted. You almost sank your wife's career and now you WILL take your son to the point where he would need a martyrdom to save his name. This Zardari is a bad news for the Bhutto family and should just go back to his cell and rot there for the rest of his life.

filosofee
30th December 2007, 18:34
More interestingly, his dad is back in the picture as a "co"-chairman. Go Mr 10% go. Now use the sympathy vote and resume the business where it was rudely interrupted. You almost sank your wife's career and now you WILL take your son to the point where he would need a martyrdom to save his name. This Zardari is a bad news for the Bhutto family and should just go back to his cell and rot there for the rest of his life.


Agreed, and the 19 year-old should return to Oxford to complete his law degree but it won't happen the smell of power pervades his blood.

Legendary_Sage
30th December 2007, 18:42
More interestingly, his dad is back in the picture as a "co"-chairman. Go Mr 10% go. Now use the sympathy vote and resume the business where it was rudely interrupted. You almost sank your wife's career and now you WILL take your son to the point where he would need a martyrdom to save his name. This Zardari is a bad news for the Bhutto family and should just go back to his cell and rot there for the rest of his life.
:))) :))) :))) :)))

filosofee
30th December 2007, 19:18
Zee, one justification that is being used is that Bhutto family/name is the only thing that can keep PPP and therefore, Pakistan together. if that is so, maybe the PPP and this country aren't worth keeping together.

I'm getting sick of this provincialism garbage. I'm of Punjabi background and have never thought of myself as anything other than Pakistani. if these bhutto ***** jiyalas in interior Sindh need Bhutto more than Pakistan, they I believe they should go screw themselves. Pakistan comes before Bhutto, Sharif or even a leader of Quaid-e-Azam's stature for that matter and both of Benazir and her father were no Quaid.

I read the Sindhi peasants were saying that Benazir was their mother and Bhutto their father and now they don't have any shelter, etc. someone ask these peasants if Benazir and Bhutto cared so much about them, then why are they still peasants, illiterate and are no better than sheep decades after Bhutto came to the scene.

Brilliant post, it's about power and not the people -

PPP = Pakistan's Power (hungry) Psychos

Nauman
30th December 2007, 19:25
Jeez look at Bilawal in press confrence, couldnt even address his party workers properly, in the end had to run to his daddy and tell him to speak up.

Mohsin
30th December 2007, 19:32
He's been pushed into the position, you can tell that he doesn't really have the full passion in him (maybe a few reservations about the role?), this was a very bad move by the PPP. It should have been Aitzaz Ahsan or Makhdoom Amin Fahim

Nauman
30th December 2007, 19:36
I personally think that the top echelon just want to cash in on the Bhutto name and have put forward a puppet but they will be doing the real bidding at the back end.

hussain_0216
30th December 2007, 20:00
You would have to be mad to vote for the PPP now

the Great Khan
30th December 2007, 20:08
what continues tof ail to surprise me is the hold the western media has on the minds of westerners...the media says she was a great leader so the westerners buy it since their too lazy to do their own research..no wonder the world is a mess, because those on the west who should know better prefer to sit in front of the tv, eat pizza and have their stereotypes confirmed by the box...its pathetic!!..she was corrupt, a criminal who looted our treasurey , bought mansions in Surrey, has a massive jaidaat, gave up the sikh plan to her cousin rajeev, was more concerned about india, the US, the UK and every other country other than her own..came back to Pakistan after a nice phone call from COndi guarnateeing her premeirship...if she was so damn brave why didnt she face the courts and if so face a jail cell?? unlesss she was gulty as hell!!....the assasination was wrong but it was coming...everyone here who is crying crocodile tears knew it was coming...

how many times had we heard the same conversation in pakistan? "yaar benazirs coming back to loot the country again etc etc etc"..remember this is a nation that gave Zia a massive send off too...we grieve when they die but when the dust settles people will see that this was an inevitable act that INMHO has saved the nation from being sold down the river to her western lovers!!...mark my words the PPP are finished...Nawaz sharif and Mush are the only gamers in town!!...and we all know the army prefers nawaz to bibi!!...the west is crying now because they have lost the one hope they had..now they fear they will have to pay a very high price for their endeavours in afghanistan and elsewhere! check and mate thank you very much Georgy boy!!

filosofee
30th December 2007, 20:23
What about returning marshal law? Anyone heard of Michael Savage? Here's his savaging of US election hopefuls on their condemnation of Bhutto's assassination:

AEVsXlI1wWM



And if you want to add your name to the condemnation here's a petition:
link (http://www.pkcolumns.com/2007/12/29/condemn-death-of-bhutto/#comment-50)

161
30th December 2007, 20:39
What about returning marshal law? Anyone heard of Michael Savage? Here's his savaging of US election hopefuls on their condemnation of Bhutto's assassination:

AEVsXlI1wWM



And if you want to add your name to the condemnation here's a petition:
link (http://www.pkcolumns.com/2007/12/29/condemn-death-of-bhutto/#comment-50)


????????

mamoo gogo
30th December 2007, 20:50
What about returning marshal law? Anyone heard of Michael Savage? Here's his savaging of US election hopefuls on their condemnation of Bhutto's assassination:




And if you want to add your name to the condemnation here's a petition:
link (http://www.pkcolumns.com/2007/12/29/condemn-death-of-bhutto/#comment-50)

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161
30th December 2007, 20:53
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i don't think she knows too much about savage .. else she wouldn't be posting his stuff.

filosofee
30th December 2007, 20:58
No, not heard of him before, is that video so offensive?

Joseph K.
30th December 2007, 21:25
No, not heard of him before, is that video so offensive?

No but he is. Apparently he has a lawsuit going on against CAIR (The council of American Muslims or something). I have no sympathy for CAIR (my own aunt is one of the higher officials in that organisation) but he misquoted Shakespeare and for that I can not forgive anybody:

Savage was quoted as saying, “If they are trying to hang me by my own petard, they have no right to use my petard. It’s my petard, not theirs.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage_(commentator)

Apparently this idiot has a PhD in something and he doesn't know that you can't 'hang' people by their 'own petard', you 'hoist' them.



For 'tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petard: and 't shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines,
And blow them at the moon: O, 'tis most sweet,
When in one line two crafts directly meet.

Hamlet III iv.

Inswinger
30th December 2007, 21:31
A 19 year old who is currently a student at Oxford will lead one of Pakistan's strongest political parties. All I can say is wow. This was truy unexpected. They are putting the life of a young man in danger. He didnt even want to be anywhere near Pakistani politics. Zardari is the worst choice for co-chairman. He is a power hungry monster who doesnt care a bit about Pakistan. Aitezaz Ahsan would have made a good leader. He is an educated man with a lot of experience in the Pakistan politics. Anyway I just hope things go back to normal. Throughout all this its the citizens of Pakisan that alwaus suffer.

W63L35
30th December 2007, 21:37
A 19 year old who is currently a student at Oxford will lead one of Pakistan's strongest political parties. All I can say is wow. This was truy unexpected. They are putting the life of a young man in danger. He didnt even want to be anywhere near Pakistani politics. Zardari is the worst choice for co-chairman. He is a power hungry monster who doesnt care a bit about Pakistan.

...and you think, Benazir and her dad (or Nawaz Shrif or Musharaff) were not?



Aitezaz Ahsan would have made a good leader. He is an educated man with a lot of experience in the Pakistan politics. Anyway I just hope things go back to normal. Throughout all this its the citizens of Pakisan that alwaus suffer.
Aitezaz is one of the very few decent men of Pak politics!

filosofee
30th December 2007, 21:52
No but he is.

Lots if offensive people, listening to them doesn't necessarily mean taking it in and agreeing with them - take Zardari's speech for instance.

Anyone can gain a PhD, specialising in an area of interest is not difficult unless it's physics!

Vegitto1
31st December 2007, 00:07
Well Well Well...this is interesting...anyway be sure to vote for me guys in 10 years time as PM of Pakistan.

filosofee
31st December 2007, 00:34
He should be careful of doing any deals:


AS long as Pakistan chooses to remain a serf state, a vassal of the powers that sustain it, both from West and East, it will be a nation of ‘subcontinental monkeys’ who have yet to lose their tails and climb down from the high trees.

How long will this country remain subservient to those who can reason and think?

Who engineered the killing of Benazir Bhutto? Apart from her own quest for power, it can safely and with emphasis be said that it was the rulers of the western world, the governments of George W. Bush of the USA, and of firstly Tony Blair and then of Gordon Brown of the United Kingdom. It was their global policies conjured up to suit their present-day needs and desires, their policy of having ‘no permanent friends’, that dispatched Benazir back to Pakistan and to her doom. This is the unified opinion of their own press and media.

It is perhaps set out most clearly in a Washington Post report of Dec 28 under the heading ‘US brokered Bhutto’s return to Pakistan’. Clear and simple — as it says it. “For Benazir Bhutto, the decision to return to Pakistan was sealed during a telephone call from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice just a week before Bhutto flew home in October. The call culminated more than a year of secret diplomacy . . .” Rice, reportedly, was only engaged in the final stages of the famous ‘deal’. Her call was made to Benazir in Dubai. “A week later, on October 18, Bhutto returned. Ten weeks later she was dead.”


Link (http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm)

Vegitto1
31st December 2007, 00:43
Mods please amend title of the Thread. its Bilawal Bhutto Zirdari and not Bilawal Zirdari

Saj
31st December 2007, 01:40
Mods please amend title of the Thread. its Bilawal Bhutto Zirdari and not Bilawal Zirdari
thats done.

I was just watching a press conference on GEO with this kid sat in front of the watching world - looked as though he was petrified, the poor kid.

12thMan
31st December 2007, 02:46
Bilawal is black belt in Tae Kwon Do and just heard 2 kids saying he is the right person and it will be nice if he ran for election

Amoeba
31st December 2007, 03:37
How can there democracy in Pakistan when there isn't even democracy within the so-called democractic parties?

If the Pakistani Peoples' Party is really the party for the Pakistani People then surely in theory everyone has an equal right one day to lead it not just because you are the founder's grandson and the son of 2nd richest crook in the land.

By the way in most countries people with criminal convictions are not able to stand for Parliament. Conversely in Pakistan they are over qualified. With embezzler Zardari now running the show the party has done itself more harm than any suicide bomber ever could dream of.

Anyone who votes for the corrupt Zardari should seek a brain transplant.......

waqar_ahmad
31st December 2007, 03:45
Amoeba, most voters in pakistan need a brain transplant. PPP wil win the elections, mainly coz of sympathy votes

Amoeba
31st December 2007, 03:48
Amoeba, most voters in pakistan need a brain transplant. PPP wil win the elections, mainly coz of sympathy votes


Then I'm more depressed then ever! Zardari for President!

Faisalabad
31st December 2007, 04:16
How can there democracy in Pakistan when there isn't even democracy within the so-called democractic parties?

If the Pakistani Peoples' Party is really the party for the Pakistani People then surely in theory everyone has an equal right one day to lead it not just because you are the founder's grandson and the son of 2nd richest crook in the land.

By the way in most countries people with criminal convictions are not able to stand for Parliament. Conversely in Pakistan they are over qualified. With embezzler Zardari now running the show the party has done itself more harm than any suicide bomber ever could dream of.

Anyone who votes for the corrupt Zardari should seek a brain transplant.......

Couldnt agree more. Asif called his son Bilawal Bhutto Zirdari, more like a Gadari it is to the so called dream of democracy. If you cannot have democracy at grassroot level, which is the political parties and other institutions then you should stop talking about the democratic change in Pakistan. Now if they want democracy, they need to start at home and have democratic system within party, members allowed to vote and select leaders and if they lose election then the leader of part step down. But ahs it happened, they kept going in circles.

Now the people of Pakistan who actually backed BB's view of democracy should back off and vote for PML or some1 else who are actually doing something rather than having a monarchy system within a political party. Whcih is then made a joke by calling People's Party. Now they have ganjha on their side who doesnt know what to do, he cant even keep his word for once what are they gonna do for the country.

Would have liked to see Makhdum Amin Fahim as part chair but he is now said to be the Prime Minister candidate should PPP win. Something positive atleast but Mr 10% wish he was in that car rather than her or both perhaps..

waqar_ahmad
31st December 2007, 04:18
I doubt if zardari will hold any office. I think he will rule from the background, which is equally depressing. But u see, these things happen when the miitary intervenes in civilian matters every few yrs, and cicli institutions fail to develop, and as a result, personalities become more important.

traps
31st December 2007, 12:22
This article from the Times :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3111762.ece

Zeenix
31st December 2007, 12:32
How can there democracy in Pakistan when there isn't even democracy within the so-called democractic parties?

If the Pakistani Peoples' Party is really the party for the Pakistani People then surely in theory everyone has an equal right one day to lead it not just because you are the founder's grandson and the son of 2nd richest crook in the land.


Technically it was a democratic decision. BB will was read out and the Party Unanimously endorsed Bilawal nomination. However what i feel is that this decision will lead to the downfall of PPP in the future. It should have been some senior leader in the PPP and then when Bilawal had grown up he could give that extra to the party. But Zardari keen to keep the party within his OWN Family (and not the Bhutto Family) used the will to perfection. I anticipate PPP fragmentation which the establishment failed to achieve in almost 4 Decades.



By the way in most countries people with criminal convictions are not able to stand for Parliament. Conversely in Pakistan they are over qualified. With embezzler Zardari now running the show the party has done itself more harm than any suicide bomber ever could dream of.

Anyone who votes for the corrupt Zardari should seek a brain transplant.......

Russia...

Zeenix
31st December 2007, 12:43
I doubt if zardari will hold any office. I think he will rule from the background, which is equally depressing. But u see, these things happen when the miitary intervenes in civilian matters every few yrs, and cicli institutions fail to develop, and as a result, personalities become more important.

More Like a "KING MAKER"

Saj
8th January 2008, 17:32
Benazir Bhutto's son, Bilawal, has urged the media to leave him alone, a week after he was named joint leader of her opposition Pakistan People's Party.
Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, 19, said he hoped his privacy would be respected while he studied at Oxford University.

He told a news conference in London that his father would be in charge of the party while he was a student.

Bilawal Bhutto was chosen to lead the party after his mother was assassinated at an election rally late last month.

'Left alone'

The news conference in London was the first time the teenager had addressed the world's media since being thrust into the spotlight a little over a week ago.

He said he had agreed to take over from his mother because "politics is in my blood".

But he added: "My experience is limited... I intend to learn."

He criticised the lengths some journalists had gone to in tracking down his personal details, particularly on the social networking site, Facebook.

"When I am at Oxford I hope I can be left alone."

Bilawal Bhutto welcomed the assistance of United Kingdom police in the investigation into his mother's death, but reiterated a call for a United Nations inquiry.

"We do not believe that an investigation under the authority of the Pakistani government has the necessary transparency," he said.

"Already so much forensic evidence has been destroyed."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7176743.stm

alghazzali
8th January 2008, 17:34
If Pakistanis vote this guy, they deserve destruction.

161
8th January 2008, 19:21
PPP is finished.

asif and mini-asif will never have the wide-spread support of BB.

hopefully a real political party can arise from its wake.

161
8th January 2008, 19:44
"Pak faces disintegration: Bilawal"

is the headline on Times of India today...

well done bilawal :14: :14:

alghazzali
9th January 2008, 18:12
PPP is finished.

asif and mini-asif will never have the wide-spread support of BB.

hopefully a real political party can arise from its wake.

I hope for your sake it has. They just used the BB incident to propel themselves to these positions, I heard that Zardari didn't have a cat in hells chance of being elected, so he used Bilawal and the sentiment issue to lead the party.

TalentSpotterPk
19th July 2016, 18:06
Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Addresses Press Amid Azad Kashmir Elections.

Salient Quotes :

1. I agree with Imran Khan that in Pakistan biggest threat to Democracy is Nawaz Sharif and his dynasty. He referred to Takht e Raiwand.


2. We would not support any Unconstitutional or UnLawful act. We believe in Supremacy of Constitution. In this we disagree with Imran Khan's statement about Military Takeover. We know how to fight dictatorship as we fought against Zia & Musharraf.



3. Referring to PML N government He said they aren't even Capitalists infact they are Monopolists be it be Steel, Chicken or Eggs and the finance Minister does marketing for them by saying that if pulse has become expensive eat Chicken.


4. When we came to Power there was no Medical College in AJK. We built 3. There was only 1 university today there are 6 universities. This is Governance.


5. There is less Joblessnes in Sindh compared with Punjab. He gave Stats to prove his point. He said that they created more jobs in last term and currently aswell compared to PML N.



6. He said that Mian Nawaz Sharif If you did rigging in AJK election like you did in 2013 election or if you caused a Violent Election with blood shed than keep it in mind that You will than forget 2014 Dharna.


7. He also took digs at Modi , Nawaz Sharif's foreign policy, visit to India and refusing to meet Huriyat Conference and having meeting with Steel Tycoon instead.


8. He said that People saw and they know who is Pro Democracy and who is against it by just looking at the number of people who were with Dharna and those who came out to Welcome and Support Benazir Bhutto Shaheed in 1986.


9. He is very confident that PPP will win the Ajk elections if He thinks Logically and their meetings have been far bigger than PML N's Election meetings which were held in small streets just to look good wrt Camera Eye.



Here is the 10 min Press Talk :

https://youtu.be/2rkvIYETiHY

TalentSpotterPk
19th July 2016, 22:51
srh & Mamoon

Please Dissect this Press Talk.


Kind Regards.
TSPK

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proud_pakistani
19th July 2016, 23:35
Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Addresses Press Amid Azad Kashmir Elections.

Salient Quotes :

1. I agree with Imran Khan that in Pakistan biggest threat to Democracy is Nawaz Sharif and his dynasty. He referred to Takht e Raiwand.


2. We would not support any Unconstitutional or UnLawful act. We believe in Supremacy of Constitution. In this we disagree with Imran Khan's statement about Military Takeover. We know how to fight dictatorship as we fought against Zia & Musharraf.



3. Referring to PML N government He said they aren't even Capitalists infact they are Monopolists be it be Steel, Chicken or Eggs and the finance Minister does marketing for them by saying that if pulse has become expensive eat Chicken.


4. When we came to Power there was no Medical College in AJK. We built 3. There was only 1 university today there are 6 universities. This is Governance.


5. There is less Joblessnes in Sindh compared with Punjab. He gave Stats to prove his point. He said that they created more jobs in last term and currently aswell compared to PML N.



6. He said that Mian Nawaz Sharif If you did rigging in AJK election like you did in 2013 election or if you caused a Violent Election with blood shed than keep it in mind that You will than forget 2014 Dharna.


7. He also took digs at Modi , Nawaz Sharif's foreign policy, visit to India and refusing to meet Huriyat Conference and having meeting with Steel Tycoon instead.


8. He said that People saw and they know who is Pro Democracy and who is against it by just looking at the number of people who were with Dharna and those who came out to Welcome and Support Benazir Bhutto Shaheed in 1986.


9. He is very confident that PPP will win the Ajk elections if He thinks Logically and their meetings have been far bigger than PML N's Election meetings which were held in small streets just to look good wrt Camera Eye.



Here is the 10 min Press Talk :

https://youtu.be/2rkvIYETiHY

If I had to vote for any party purely on how well they spoke I would always choose PPP. They are the only party who can easily win debates and are generally consistent in their statements. It is sad though that on the ground you don't see any work being carried out when they are in power. They are so good politically if they could be sincere with Pakistan and enhance Pakistan economically PPP could really have helped Pakistan become a major power in the world. Sad they are so corrupt and only care for themselves.