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Mercenary
7th February 2005, 22:39
I think the Pakistani film industry could be so much better than they are if they stuck to what they were best at!

The strong point of the Pakistani entertainment industry is their strong storylines and the professional and excellent way those stories are told. The strong storylines are the main reason for the huge success of Pakistani drama's which even indians that i know prefer watching over their own ones.

I think the Pakistani film industry should ditch the whole 'flesh circus' style of movies that are becoming prevalent these days and just make films which feature strong storylines instead.

These films wouldnt rely on vulgarity for success and would therefore be popular with family audiences, etc.

The Indian film industry may thrive by getting their actresses to expose everything but Pakistan isnt as 'modern' or 'liberated' or 'advanced' in these matters as our neighbours.

Its for this very reason that in Pakistan families would rather disown their daughters than let them act in films and most of the heroines have rather 'shady origins' and unmentionable pasts.

If we concentrated on telling stories (which we are good at), then we would get more 'decent girls' and 'proper actors and actresses' working in the industry which would immediately improve the quality of the whole Pakistani film scene.

What do you guys think?

Hussain
8th February 2005, 22:33
Nice thesis Merc

But u did nt answer why Indian movies r a huge success with all their vulgarity in Pakistan even


while Pakistani movies with same standard of vulgarity can not fare well in box offices

feather
8th February 2005, 22:40
actually Pakistani movies are alot more worse...this is why they aren't a success but I agree with marc on this.

Mercenary
8th February 2005, 23:21
In India being a film star is a career and even girls from good families can do it with very little stigma attached.

In Pakistan, its a dirty business and its often a case of taking a vaguely pretty girl from some mandi who will do anything and sticking her before a camera. There's little attempt at a story and it concentrates on violence and vulgarity.

Such a thing is known as soft porn and no1 watches porn for more than 10 mins!!

In India they add a story (however weak) to the vulgarity and they gloss everything up to the max, so it ends up being more popular. The romance angle gets the women in and the half-naked ladies gets the men in.

Its something that isnt so obviously porn, so it gets away with it!

MIG
9th February 2005, 00:09
Pakistani movies were just about starting to improve with films like Aina ( mirror ) with Nadeem and Shabnam but then the VCR revolution hit the streets and the porno crap that we call Indian movies flooded the market - our film industry lost its way and now its beyond help - nothing short of a natural catastrophe ( earthquake/tsunami just effecting the movie studios ) is gonna fix this problem.

We have great story writers - they just need to meet decent directors and cinematographers and we have a revival.

Daoud
9th February 2005, 00:15
Its strange. I dont think I've ever watched a Pakistani movie, but will ocassionally watch serials. With Indian stuff its the opposite. I'll watch a movie from time to time, but will never go near the serials (despite my Nani watching them all evening)

MIG
9th February 2005, 11:27
bump....

Schiller
9th February 2005, 11:33
Not sure what brought this about. I htought pakistani movie industry was dead anyway

if you happen to accidentally catch a glimpse of indian or pakistani movies, in general, all you see our thrusts and grinds

MIG
9th February 2005, 11:38
Wasnt always like that - need to get hold of some black&White Urdu ones and really enjoy a movie in Urdu...

Schiller
9th February 2005, 11:39
Ive seen a few of the old ones ad 70s movies were even worse Mig(thats a decade after your era I think) :-D

MIG
9th February 2005, 11:46
no , you need to judge them for the time/era they were made in - what really fascinates me about those movies are the locations/shots of life from that era ( ya know things like the old Palace hotel near PIDC etc ) some of them like "Mutthi Bhar Chawal" or "Insan or Gadha" to me are classics.

Schiller
9th February 2005, 11:53
ah thats ancient for me now, havent seen or heard of those :-(

Officer Barbrady
9th February 2005, 11:55
Mig, you could easily have added good ol days to the last post...from a personal point of view

MIG
9th February 2005, 11:58
Coughs and picks up his dentures.....

Haan Beta, Kiya Din they....

Schiller
9th February 2005, 11:59
:oD

wheres the rest home now for our beloved expiring mod?

Officer Barbrady
9th February 2005, 12:01
:oD

MIG
9th February 2005, 12:01
:oD Coming soon to an Old Peoples home near you !! Actually, have decided to retire and live in BC ! Vancouver probably, mountain hideout and build letter bombs or something......moohahaha !!!

Schiller
9th February 2005, 12:02
:oD

atleast youll expire laughing, something I wont be accused of :oD

catwoman
9th February 2005, 12:05
The only Pakistani movie I have seen was Maula Jatt, didn't even understand most of it. I saw a telefilm called Daira a while back, which was pretty good.

Pakistan should just stick to the dramas. :-p

Mercenary
9th February 2005, 15:17
Maula Jatt is the best film ever!!

Insan or Gadha is a great film, the older films with nadeem, shabnam, javed, etc were pretty good!

Then vulgarity took over!!

suhaib
16th February 2005, 11:46
pakistan film industry use to rock, it was ahead of india untill the terroist zia ul haq took over.


now films are improving with the karachi people who make dramas, commericals, music videos are now making films. we had salakhein last year which was a huge hit and ppp will release in a few weeks time and should also be a big hit.

MIG
16th February 2005, 12:05
suhaibonline

Do Pakistani middle class still go to the cinemas or is the cinema dying slowly ?

sajjad
16th February 2005, 12:06
When i was young, my cousins and i went to see International Ghunday in cinema...Man, ill never have such fit of laughter ever again

Officer Barbrady
16th February 2005, 13:12
I had the pleasure of watch "Churiyan", one unforgettable experience I tell ya.

razzler
16th February 2005, 13:22
pakistan film industry use to rock, it was ahead of india untill the terroist zia ul haq took over.


now films are improving with the karachi people who make dramas, commericals, music videos are now making films. we had salakhein last year which was a huge hit and ppp will release in a few weeks time and should also be a big hit.

I guess its a habit of the Karachiites to pull Pakistanis out of trouble. :-D What can we do we are like that only.

Awesome Anjum
28th September 2005, 00:08
Opinions ? Thoughts ?


By Mustansar Hussain Tarar

Once upon a time a term “Paki Bashing” was coined by white raciest bald-headed youths who terrorized the Asians settled in United kingdom. They targeted old men and girls in particular, beating them up and at times killing them and no matter what the nationality of the victim, Indian, Bangladeshi or even Chinese they called this sport “Paki bashing”.

However, now the Pakistanis are invovled in “Paki bashing” now. Pakistanis love to ‘Paki bash’, ridicule, degrade and almost hate anything which is Pakistani, be it politics, literature, language or local products. But their favourite target these days is Pakistani films, the actors, directors, script writers, singers and everyone connected with films is ridiculed.

This condemnation started with the advent of cable television when the Indian channels bombarded us with cheap soap operas and Bollywood films. The Indian “navel” invasion was on, with the rest of the of the body parts chipping in. Now it is almost sacrilegious to praise or mention a Pakistani film, a height of bad taste so to speak and against all norms of aesthetics. This is yet another symptom of a sick and insecure society.

True that recently our films have degenerated and their quality at times is pathetic to say the least, but how can you condemn Pakistani films totally when in the last 57 years the industry has produced dozens of memorable classics along with scores which even the Indians could never match? And kindly consider that this art form along with other creative art forms are an asthma to Pakistani society in general. Basically it is an anti-art society which does not tolerate any creative activity, the actors are called miraasis and anybody remotely connected with showbiz is looked down upon.

An actor friend of mine and mind you one of the top most actors of today, although a Syed, highly educated, belonging to a scholarly family has problem marrying off his sons because he is in showbiz. About ten years back I asked the ghazal maestro, Ghulam Ali as to why he so frequently visits India, is it the money?

“Nahin Tarar sahib,” he said “there is enough money in Pakistan, I go to India for a little bit of izzat which is not available in Pakistan.” It is said the Ustad Bare Ghulam Ali Khan used to reside in a dingy abode inside the old city of Lahore. Some thieves broke into his house and carried away whatever little possessions he had. Therefore the Ustad went to the nearest police station to report the theft. The thanedar, however, had better things to do so he told him to wait outside for a while. The Ustad sat there underneath the scorching sun for about two hours, sweating profusely. In the meantime, as his complexion was rather on the dark side, he again requested the thanedar to oblige him. The thanedar seeing this great hulk of darkness sweating in the sun called his assistant and said, “Oi, take the report of this buffalo’s “Kutta” he is in a hurry”.

Although Ustad had numerous offers from India in the past, he preferred the poverty and indignity of his own soil to the riches and dignity of a foreign land. But this incident shattered him completely and the very next day he left for India and it is said that the provincial governor there, was there to receive him at the airport and touch his feet. So in such a callous art hating society, if certain individuals still pursue the notorious arts of acting, singing, dancing and making films they are exceptionally brave and committed. Under such circumstances producing those film gems is no less than a miracle. Most of these films had amazing musical scores; the compositions were magical to say the least. And what else do you expect when the likes of Khurshid Anwar were around, a close associate of martyr Bhaghat Singh, a college fellow of Faiz sahib, a philosophy master and a composer unparallel in subcontinent. I honestly believe that some of his pieces had a mystical element and could melt your earthly existence and transport it into the worlds unknown, otherwise how can you explain the flute interludes of Sun Wanjhali di mithri tan and Kabhi hum main tum main bhi piyar tha?

Not only Khurshid Anwar but the presence of greats like Master Ghulam Hyder (remember “Gulnar”) Master Enayat Hussain, Master Abdullah and Rashid Attre. They all graced an era with their exceptional musical talents. The legends of Noorjehan and Mehdi Hasan owe their prominence and fame to Pakistani films.

Sometime back, famed TV producer Shoaib Mansur came up with a programme of Pakistani compositions which were directly pirated by the Indian film Industry; even the famous Choli Ke peeche kia hai was borrowed from us. Why forget Reshman’s Wai main chori chori which was copied unashamedly by Lata Mangeshkar Yara seeli seeli or most of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan’s compositions. Even today, the Indians are overawed by our pop singers and borrow their tunes freely.

I feel the present decline in the film industry started when the import of Indian films was totally banned after the “Jal” agitation. Since there was no competition the industry thought it could churn out any garbage and people will per force see it. Some producers regularly churned out ditto copies of Indian films. The Ziaul Haq era throttled it good and proper, because the entertainment sector shifted to the religious sector and you know what sort of heavenly entertainment it was including conferences of Ulemas and Mushaikh.

The final nail in the coffin of film industry was good old Sultan Rahi, though no fault of his. The dialogue delivery, dresses, scores and even dances remained the same in hundreds of films and Rahi also remained the same with his flat nose and Attila the Hun wig because it is a fact that public loved it proving that if you administer a regular doze of poison the public will start loving it eventually.

There were times when Pakistani films competed with Indian films rather successfully. When Noorjaan’s Dopatta was released in a Calcutta cinema hall, the rest of the cinemas in the city were totally deserted due to its popularity. Then finally the cinema hall was burned in retaliation, ban the Pakistani films to save the Indian film industry was the chant.

Despite the agitation, when Gurudut’s Jal was released, an excellent film of Yeh rat yeh chandni phir kahan fame, it did not steal the limelight from Pakistani films. I do agree that we have some colossal self-centred fools in the film industry but aren’t we self sufficient in this genre in almost every walk of life?

Recently I read an interview of a film writer who boasted that he is a world record holder as far as the number of film scripts are concerned, he forgot to mention another achievement, he keeps on churning only one story and achieving maximum number of flops. Let us call him Grucho Marx and this Grucho stated very casually and I quote, “India has a population of 800 million, but there is not a single Grucho Marks of my stature in them.” Aren’t the Indians unlucky? I feel that the present slump and decline in film industry is temporary, the films by Javed Sheikh and especially Ajab Gul are doing roaring business on box office.

Recently Syed Noor’s Churian was a treat to watch. I am just an ardent viewer of Pakistani films and cannot claim to be a film historian so I will be missing a lot of worthy films made in the past. However, please go through the list of following films and do point out if a single one of them is not praiseworthy. Actually most of them can easily be called classics considering the size and sources of our industry. Films like Gulnar, ChunWay, Dopatta, Lare, Phere, Shehri Babu, Pate Khan Phanney Khan and many more perhaps prove my point that despite the present drought of good films we should be proud of the Pakistani film industry and not ridicule it straight away.

If you still have any doubts please try to see Koel, Kartar Singh, Susral, Lakhon Main Ek or Heer Ranjha perhaps you will change your opinion about Pakistani film industry because if you haven’t watched these films then you have no right to criticize Pakistani films. Can you name a single film from the subcontinent which surpasses Heer Ranjha in direction, acting, camera craft, poetry and heavenly music?

suhaib
28th September 2005, 00:21
the only way to improve the industry is by getting the telefilms and drama people to come into films and make them.

Salman
28th September 2005, 02:05
When are they gonna learn, film's don't need music anymore, if they take the music away, more people will start taking the industry seriously.

feather
28th September 2005, 02:16
I don't really watch Pakistani movies but from the ones I have seen they are the worse kind!! I love Pakistan but the movies they make are abt whores and gangsters what do they expect? I mean they have far more ** than most bollywood movies...all them songs in the rain or some girl just jumping up n down plz!!

First they need to make good movies for us to actually watch them instead of them blaming bollywood for showing them navel areas lol is it just me or Pakistani movies show lot more than that as well.

I always hear good things abt the drama guys so maybe they need to move into films and clean them out and I think most people would end up than watching Pakistani movies.

Monsee
28th September 2005, 02:33
A good read...haven't seen a Pak movie in ages though

Aurangzeb
28th September 2005, 07:02
pakistani movies were good long ago and involved cultured people i've heard...now those who go into lollywood are usually uneducated and have no sense of decorum...was it reema or resham who kissed in a bollywood film? anyways, these are the types of people who make up the majority of the lollywood fraternity...technology is also a huge factor and i just think that pakistani industry can't compete in this regard...in my opinion, pakistani dramas are still good...the name lollywood just smacks of cheap bollywood imitation...its not about self-hate...but what needs to be criticized...should be criticized...when it comes to music, these artists flee to india beacuse there's money there...that's what they mean by "izzat"...the whole social fabric of india is based on entertainment, music, and emulating american type standards...its perfect for any asian music artist...however, i would prefer it if these artists showed some patriotism and not sell themselves to india...

Mercenary
28th September 2005, 07:20
the old urdu films were quite good but the industry has long since lost its way

Geordie Ahmed
28th September 2005, 07:22
I dont watch pakistani movies

I remember ages ago (really long time) i saw a Sultan Rai (think it was him, well he had a big tash in anywasy) film - it was called Halaku they khan (something like that)

I found it funny as hell cos first he stopped a car from driving off :)))

the he stopped 4 horses from riding off :)))

then the best was saved til last - he stopped a small airplane :))):)))

Monsee
28th September 2005, 07:39
:)))then the best was saved til last - he stopped a small airplane :))):)))




Was the airplane speaking in Multi-Dialects, also did it break down afterwards...if so, I might know that Plane

BTW, it's no "Small" plane these days:D :)))

Cartman
28th September 2005, 07:53
I think Tara is barking up the wrong tree.. rather than bashing the "**** bashing" younger Pakistani generation, he should write an article on how to improve the pakistani film industry... if he cant' maybe i will.. i have enough ideas that instead of an article, it would look like a PhD thesis on "How to use ur Hamerrhoid cream in 100 different ways"

Geordie Ahmed
28th September 2005, 08:09
Was the airplane speaking in Multi-Dialects, also did it break down afterwards...if so, I might know that Plane

BTW, it's no "Small" plane these days:D :)))

no no this airplane doesnt speak in multi-dialects - ONLY jet planes do that :D

Asim2Good
28th September 2005, 12:17
seems it's very old article.

good to read Chacha Tarar again :D

as hementioned abt Sultan Rahi, I agre with him it was the time downfall of lollywood started. In past at time Indian were not able to match Pakistani film and likes of Nadeem, Waheed Murad, Mohd ali and Munawar Zareef did damn good job in industry. Indian movie Kal ho Na Ho, concept of this movie is taken from Munwer Zareef's Khushia (black & white Punjabi movie).

but now not only actors are working in 9-10 movies at time even directors making 4-5 movies at time so wat else we can expect then ? one director used to make every movie in 30 days time . Haven't seen Pakistani movie over dacade now. and don't think gonna watch any in recent time.

Monsee
28th September 2005, 18:19
no no this airplane doesnt speak in multi-dialects - ONLY jet planes do that :D



Oh my bad...Jet Plane it is then

So do you think he holds all those passports or do they just give him a Global one for all his Nationalities:D

Hussain
28th September 2005, 18:42
i tell u whts wrong wid our film industry

tht our actors,directors ,producers etc tryto play as a martyr rather than finding out the real cause of concern for the industry which is holding it frm making progress

alybaba
28th September 2005, 18:46
**** movies are so bad these days, that sometime the cinema inserts totas for like 3-5 minutes to keep the crowd satisfied and prevent rioting.

waquas_uk
29th September 2005, 04:54
i seen one Pakistani film in the last few years it was called "yeh dil aap ka huwa" it was upto good standards.

Mercenary
19th December 2006, 20:29
The Indian Punjabi film industry is going through a renaissance these days, how long before Pakistan's film industry turns the corner?

suhaib
19th December 2006, 21:35
i think pakistans film industry is improving, majajan was good and did excellent business.

Nauman
19th December 2006, 22:08
What industry? calling what we have an industry is an insult to the word industry :P

Jimmy two-times
19th December 2006, 22:22
Pakistan has got some great directors who make award winning international films like 'khamosh pani' but they get ignored my the mainstream media.

Instead people are treated to a 50 year old women like saima dancing and pretending to be 21 year old college girl romancing a hero old enough to be her son.

When I went to a pak cinema last year there was about 4 people in there and it looked like they went there to sleep rather than to watch the film. I can understand why they did that because me and cousins walked outside in 15 minutes because of the bakwass they were showing.

Hopefully with people like shoaib mansoor making films now things are on the up.

Nauman
19th December 2006, 22:26
Hopefully with people like shoaib mansoor making films now things are on the up.Shan in a recent interview said that Shoaib's film will fail because a film's success if measured from its success in cinema, thing is middle class families no longer go to cenimas, they much rather buy a 100 Rupee DVD and watch it in the comfort of their living room where the atmosphere is not cheap. Only truck drivers and rikshaw drivers go to cinemas, he also said that there are a number of great stories with directors but producers are not willing to put their money in because they say people who come to cinemas do not like these type of stories.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
19th December 2006, 22:33
Nauman will you go to the cinema to watch Shoaib Mansoor's film?

Nauman
19th December 2006, 22:35
Nauman will you go to the cinema to watch Shoaib Mansoor's film?
Cenimas are mostly filled with druggies atleast the ones whose ticket prices are affordable. The cinemas for the elite (in fortress stadium etc) are out of my pockets reach so I would rather buy a DVD if I want to watch it.

Hash
19th December 2006, 22:36
Shan in a recent interview said that Shoaib's film will fail because a film's success if measured from its success in cinema, thing is middle class families no longer go to cenimas, they much rather buy a 100 Rupee DVD and watch it in the comfort of their living room where the atmosphere is not cheap. Only truck drivers and rikshaw drivers go to cinemas, he also said that there are a number of great stories with directors but producers are not willing to put their money in because they say people who come to cinemas do not like these type of stories.

So because truck drivers and rikshaw drivers will be the audience it is a failure? :20:

Nauman
19th December 2006, 22:38
So because truck drivers and rikshaw drivers will be the audience it is a failure? :20:
Nope because they do not like the type of film Shoaib Mansoor is making, they are only interested in seeing Saima dancing and shaking her things.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
19th December 2006, 22:39
Cenimas are mostly filled with druggies atleast the ones whose ticket prices are affordable. The cinemas for the elite (in fortress stadium etc) are out of my pockets reach so I would rather buy a DVD if I want to watch it.

gee for a guy who complains about everything all the time, you sure do your bit to help the situation, don't you?

Nauman
19th December 2006, 22:41
gee for a guy who complains about everything all the time, you sure do your bit to help the situation, don't you?
How is me not affording complaining?

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
19th December 2006, 22:45
all I know is that you complain about our industry sucking. now a guy is risking a lot of his own to make a good film and now you tell me that you can't afford to support him and his work. what incentive does he have to make good films if he can't even break even?

if you can't even support the industry by supporting a good effort, maybe you don't have a right to complain about the industry nonstop? just maybe?

Nauman
19th December 2006, 22:47
all I know is that you complain about our industry sucking. now a guy is risking a lot of his own to make a good film and now you tell me that you can't afford to support him and his work. what incentive does he have to make good films if he can't even break even?

if you can't even support the industry by supporting a good effort, maybe you don't have a right to complain about the industry nonstop? just maybe?
If you can send me money to afford a 500 Rupee ticket (when my pay as a trainee student is only Rs. 3500/ then I will go).

Parosi_Lurker
19th December 2006, 22:48
I think the Pakistani film industry could be so much better than they are if they stuck to what they were best at!

The strong point of the Pakistani entertainment industry is their strong storylines and the professional and excellent way those stories are told. The strong storylines are the main reason for the huge success of Pakistani drama's which even indians that i know prefer watching over their own ones.

I think the Pakistani film industry should ditch the whole 'flesh circus' style of movies that are becoming prevalent these days and just make films which feature strong storylines instead.

These films wouldnt rely on vulgarity for success and would therefore be popular with family audiences, etc.

The Indian film industry may thrive by getting their actresses to expose everything but Pakistan isnt as 'modern' or 'liberated' or 'advanced' in these matters as our neighbours.

Its for this very reason that in Pakistan families would rather disown their daughters than let them act in films and most of the heroines have rather 'shady origins' and unmentionable pasts.

If we concentrated on telling stories (which we are good at), then we would get more 'decent girls' and 'proper actors and actresses' working in the industry which would immediately improve the quality of the whole Pakistani film scene.

What do you guys think?

I think if Pakistani movie industry has to thrive they would have to first drop this "Holier than thou atitude". With all due respect your posts,while raising some decent points, also take judgemental swips at Indian movie industry, Indian Actors and Actresses and society itself!

As an outsider I would give my two cents on the subject. I can not say I have been enamoured by Pakistani movies(except Khaamosh Paani) but the television serials that I have seen have been great. Or used to be great. Better than what Indian television showed. But thats TV. It is one thing to sit back and laught at a 50-50 joke and completely other to go to a movie, shell out 100 bucks and enjoy the same jokes for three hours.

For the movie to work you need a variety of things at work. Take story for example. Nothing works in sub-continent than a love-story. How do you propose that to work? Many Indian Directors, for example Mahesh Bhatt, is on record saying he could not make a love-story with Muslim background as it seriously handicaps him with the liberties he can take. Do you truly think a Hindu girl dances around displaying her mid-riff every other second? NO. But if a movie comes out like that noone gives two hoots. Now imagine a Muslim girl doing that, and Mullahs go up in arms. No I am not suggesting it should become a free for all but I am suggesting the limitations for a Director when it comes to treatment of the same subject vis a vis religion. And if thats true in India, a country more "modern", "liberated"(your words) you can imagine whats the scene in Pakistan.

The funny thing is that most times when I go to watch a Bollywood movie in USA the crowd is filled with more non-Indians than Indians. Any movie that has an anti-Pakistan stance would be reviewed by Indian cine experts as probably flop abroad as many Pakistanis wont see it.

Moral of the story - if people watch it then surely they should be allowed to be made at home. If Indian society has not crumbled by the "immorality" of Bollywood why would Pakistan's?

xxxx

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
19th December 2006, 22:49
If you can send me money to afford a 500 Rupee ticket (when my pay as a trainee student is only Rs. 3500/ then I will go).

no. I'm not going to send you even one rupee.

all I want you to do is stop whining about Pakistani films if you will not support good efforts and talented people.

Nauman
19th December 2006, 22:51
no. I'm not going to send you even one rupee.

all I want you to do is stop whining about Pakistani films if you will not support good efforts and talented people.
Why dont you come and support it then you seem to be very passionate about supporting it.

suhaib
19th December 2006, 23:59
nauman, majajan has proved that middleclass people will go out and watch films provided that they are good, so did yeh dil apka huwa, koi tujsa kahaa and salakhein
how can you listen to a ignorant *** like shaan. first he critizes vulgar badmash films then he starts acting in them is well and not only that he starts directing them is well.

Nauman
20th December 2006, 00:05
nauman, majajan has proved that middleclass people will go out and watch films provided that they are good, so did yeh dil apka huwa, koi tujsa kahaa and salakhein
how can you listen to a ignorant *** like shaan. first he critizes vulgar badmash films then he starts acting in them is well and not only that he starts directing them is well.
I was saying the same thing which you are but someone quoted me that Shaan interview and I must say it did make sense, he will act in what general public (the ones who go to cinemas) want. Producers will make the films which the cinema goers want. Thing is the condition of cenimas is so pathetic now, torn chairs, chars and drugee culture and all that families no longer go there. The best cinema of Islamabad called NAFDEC used to be visited by decent families but the business was so low (even though they showed English movies) that they were closing that down when I left Islamabad.

Wazeeri
20th December 2006, 00:39
Pakistan needs to find a niche in the global film industry. I suggest philosophical mind boggling movies which there aren't enough of in the world. The only way to get this is to make sure that writers should be paid more than the actors.

This would pull the intelligent Pakistanis to the cinemas and intelligent people to the industry who are otherwise just walking the streets looking for work. These new cinema goers will be willing to pay more than your churs smoking bhikari or nukar ka paan waala.

More successful films will give the film makers more confidense in investing in bigger movies and good storylines could mean royalties from Hollywood directors who want to remake the movie for the international market.

suhaib
20th December 2006, 00:44
how do you get the money to produce a film?

Gunner786
20th December 2006, 01:10
if lollywood had resources of bollywood and get rid of those 60's style film making cameras and at least buy some enw cameras then they can challenge the best

pakistan have history of producing great actors

if mustafa qureshi and nanha were in any other industry they would have taken the whole industry to new heights

Wazeeri
20th December 2006, 01:18
how do you get the money to produce a film?


If you have a good storyline you don't need a lot of capital.

Nakhuda
20th December 2006, 03:51
Some Pakistani movies from the 1970's/80's are brilliant viewing only that they don't get the exposure they deserve."Saharey" from the 80's with Muhammad Ali and Shabnam is one of my all time favourites not only due to its powerful storyline but also cos it has no romantic leads rather talks of human relations of how people/Pakistanis depend on eachother .
"Kamyabi" from the early 80's with Nadeem and Shabnam is another brilliant movie telling the story of a Pakistani man who relocates to Canada then forgets about his roots even parents.Try and get your hands on these video's/dvd's and you'll not be dissapointed.The old Indian movies like Sholay and Mughal-e-Azam are all-time classics but today they produce them for the western market as well as the expats.
In the process the Indianess has been replaced by shameless western culture but they only care about the profit.

Kashif
20th December 2006, 04:27
There was a time, good Pakistani films did get made. The arrival of the VCR did not help matters as pirate films from the Bollywood industry started pouring in. Then the DVD player and Cable operators totally killed whatever scope there was left. Using old camera's from the museum doesnt help matters. Some of the footage of the fims is shocking to say the least.

Nauman's point about the naff cinema atmosphere is also a contributing factor towards the decline. I have heard that Pakistan's first IMAX cinema is being built in Lahore. I'm afraid people will still want to watch Hollywood/Bollywood films there. However, it will encourage families to start going.

I am looking forward to Shoaib Mansoor's effort and will watch it whether I'm still in the UK or Pakistan.

mos123
14th April 2007, 13:31
my question is Why pakistan film industries not producing good films,actor and actress

waqararif11
14th April 2007, 17:52
from my limited intelligence, i think its becasuse theres no loyalty, everyone is watching bollywood rather than our own lollywood, i think so any way

shan2026
14th April 2007, 18:29
from my limited intelligence, i think its becasuse theres no loyalty, everyone is watching bollywood rather than our own lollywood, i think so any way

And u can just imagine the standard of lollywood if Pakistanis are watching bollywood.

suhaib
14th April 2007, 18:57
from my limited intelligence, i think its becasuse theres no loyalty, everyone is watching bollywood rather than our own lollywood, i think so any way


the real question is why are people watching bollywood films instead of lollywood films?
would you watch one?


even thought indians films are trash people watch them, look at last years blockbusters dhoom2, kriss, munnabhai, don they were all cr@p.
the only reason why people watch them is cos they use state of the art technology and speak hindi, which we understand.

and i dnt agree with pakistan not producing good actors, tv dramas have some excellent actors and film makers, gov. needs to bring the technology in and encourage these people to move to the film industry,

but right now we have shoaib monsoors khuda ke liye which should be an excellent film.

irfan
14th April 2007, 19:03
Pakistan should forget trying to produce bollywood style trash but focus on producing films on various themes focusing on storyline, characterisation etc. Instead of trying emulate Indian cinema they should look at Iranian & Turkish films.

However, Pak film industry or Lollywood or whatever you want to call it is still associated with the 'kanjar' culture.

Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
14th April 2007, 21:53
aah yes... no discussion of Pakistani films can be complete without comparison to Bollwood. either way here goes my rant...

our people say that they watch Bollywood because Pakistani movies suck. that raises a number of questions that need to be answered. what is a good film? is a typical Bollywood masala film a good film? is a Pakistani film by definition a bad a film? what makes a Bollywood masala film "better" than a Pakistani masala film? is it better dances, dancers, more nudity, better production quality? have Pakistanis made any good films? is any Pakistani making any good film?

I remember reading an article about a Karachiite who ran a small theatre in his home where he showed good foreign movies (from Iran, France, etc, i.e. NO Bollywood) for no charge. he made a very interesting comment and one that has stuck with me. he said that everybody in Pakistan says there are no good films being made in Pakistan but his question was - does anybody here know what constitutes a good film. therefore, before you can make good films you need to educate the public on what is a good film because most don't have a clue. if they said that they want to Pakistani films to be like the so-called "art" films, I'd understand. but how are any of these masala flicks good films?

either way, for the sake of argument lets assume that all the nudity, the provocative songs and dances make Indian films good films. the problem with Pakistani films they (rightly) say is that our actors and actresses are uneducated and sleezy. then, I'd like to know which educated Pakistani girl from a good family will want to do the thrusts, the thumkas, and the jhatkas for the voyeuristic pleasures of her Muslims brothers. which Pakistani family will allow their daughter to learn dance and music so that she can perform mujras? I don't know of any educated, respectable family that will. so, lets stop the hypocritical bullsiht about the Pakistani filmi "actresses" being from the Shahi mohallah. only girls from the mohalla will act in the movies that are based on Bollywood storylines and ideas.

I remember watching Uzma Gilani's interview and she talked about the kind of taunts she had to put up with when she decided to act in PTV dramas. and this lady is one of the great actresses of Pakistan. she's done no masala roles. she is a rock solid actress and even she got siht just because of our sexist culture.

now, lets talk about whether any Pakistani has made any good movies. the answer is yes. the much acclaimed "Khamosh Pani" was a beautiful, beautiful film. Usman Peerzada's "Zar Gul" won film of the year in the Toronto film festival which is a HUGE achievement because of how prestigious the TIFF awards are. even then, Usman has not been able to get the film released in the Pakistani theaters. I remember reading Sabiha Sumar's interview (Khamosh Pani's director and writer) and it was heartbreaking to read the lack of cooperation she had to deal with when she asked any Pakistani to assist with making her films. similarly, Qavi Khan was on TV a while back and talked about his film which he can't get released because the powers to be simply won't let it pass.

so there is some good work being done. the question we need to ask ourselves as viewers is: are we supporting it? how many here have watched Khamosh Pani? there were folks in this forum biatching about Pakistani films on one hand and when I asked if they would go and watch Shoaib Mansoor's upcoming Khuda Ke Liye. and they said NO and they had various excuses lined up for why.

in conclusion, imo, poor Pakistani films aren't simply the filmmaker's fault. the blame rests with all of us. lets call a spade a spade. we like to watch mujras and voyeuristic storylines. and since they're culturally incompatible with ethics of the Pakistani middle class, only people from the lower strata of society will enter film which will mean poorly made, softcore porno being peddled as Pakistani film.

12thMan
14th April 2007, 22:04
The damage was done by film makers, cinemas and to some extent uncivilized/rude audience that would keep quite a few from going to theater lives on. The VCR came 1980 and at that time you will just find Indian or Hollywood film to watch at home and they took over.

suhaib
14th April 2007, 22:34
The damage was done by film makers, cinemas and to some extent uncivilized/rude audience that would keep quite a few from going to theater lives on. The VCR came 1980 and at that time you will just find Indian or Hollywood film to watch at home and they took over.


not really, indians didnt take over pakistan till the 90s.
the real damage was done in the zia era when he shut down a thriving film industry after that it never came back on its feet and the talented makers from that period shifted in tv and paindus and prostitutes entered a dead film industry,

but now you can see its coming back on its feet, for the first time in pakistans histroy the gov. is supporting the film industry, majajan was a blockbuster and is still running in the cinemas even after 1 and a half years, now we have shoaib monsoors project and javeid fazils main laut kar au ga.
we just need latest facilities now.

12thMan
14th April 2007, 23:10
not really, indians didnt take over pakistan till the 90s.
I don't think so. In 80s hardly anyone would even mention a Paksitan film or going to theater. but the people will talk about films available at the video store which were just Indian and Hollywood. For Indian movies it was not just the new movies which were in demand but also from 60s and 70s

from_da_lost_dim3nsion
15th April 2007, 00:03
we have a much smaller market as compared to india so the invertors cant invest as much money in a movie as the indians do coz' they wont get their money back, supply and demant applies, the amount of money the indians spend on making one song, we make a whole movie out of it!

Zeenix
15th April 2007, 00:22
The main problem with our film industry is that It hasn't gotten the acceptance from the masses. The Hindu culture prevalent in India (dancing culture and theatrics) support Films over there. Our Film industry suffered the most in Gen Zia (Mard e Haq Mard e Momin ) time when his overzealous islamist drive saw film industry suffering the most.
Film making in Pakistan is very easy. A chaudry will take out some bank loan of 5 to 6 million, invest in a film, get a few heroines in, then enjoy for a few months, with the actresses and the extras, and when the film releases it returns almost all your money and with it the bonus of the time spent with the heroines.
In pakistan film isn't actually an industry, its a way to satiate the libido of the chaudries, waderas, bureacrats and politicians.

Hussain
15th April 2007, 13:18
An old anecdote says that if every thing is comming your way then perhaps you are in the wrong lane.

and this applies to our film industry which perhaps is not going in the right direction. since 1990s our film makers have tried to follow the bollywood lead in film making and have therefore tried to increase on the glamour, showy scenes, dresses to maaske up for the weak plot and story lines.
Without even realising that our strenght in the entertainment industry has always been good dialogues, strong plot, better characters, better songs with even better poetry and last but not the least a good stock of comedians to add light to our films.

I personally feel quite proud to be from a land with writers such as Ashfaq Ahmad, Bano Qudsia , Haseena MOin , Shoaib Hashmi etc. Who have been phenomenal in sensitviely assessing the needs of a character in the story and then creating a whole impact around it to grasp the viewers attention to the story right till the very end. There plus point is that they dont need to create a story on their own to have its originality but actually find it in our own society and give us a reflection of our souls.
While Poets like Habib Jalib and Sufi Tabassum , didnt need difficult words in the poetry to create melody , but while picking on words of every day use they create one of most melodious rhythems one can ever hear which is understandable to even the youngest.

Woe to our directors and film producers,who instead of utilising such a rich resource of our country's cultural heritage, in creating a niche of our own film industry to which an ordinary person of this country would relate to as his own , mirroring his problems and miseries and then suggesting a solution to them , have went astray to the world of glamour hoping that the average man would fall for their market in lust of seeing a world which has never been his.

THe common argument that i have heard from these producers and directors in creating such stories is that you need some "filmy things" in a movie to create a film. But this is not the case . I have seen persian movies dubbed in english which are literally shot in just one room , where they take a begining , reach their climax and then have a ending . These movies are quite nice to see, are also interesting and they grasp the viewers attention for full 2 hours or so while keeping the glamour to the minimum. Why???? Because their filmmakers have realised that you dont need all that fancy model dresses, rail thin acctresses, luxury living characters, showy dances and artificial camera tricks and effects to create a market for your product. But all those could be done if you find a strenght in the quality of your movie in the form of a strong base of story line, closer to reality characters and some good and sensible scripts.

While taking the lead of the bollywood we have seen our literal doom in the film industry. THe time is not far that we will perform the ultimate rites of this industry if we dont mend our direction now.The fact is that we are failing in competing with a much bigger industry for the same goods, so in order to survive our film industry needs to change its focus and to give its viewers what we can proudly call OUR OWN.

Savak
7th February 2010, 03:07
Discuss

RX
7th February 2010, 03:09
Who cares!

AZ
7th February 2010, 03:19
investment and government support for up-and-coming filmmakers

Inswinger
7th February 2010, 03:21
A few good actors would be a start.

RexRex
7th February 2010, 03:26
Do they actually call the industry. Lollywood ?

AZ
7th February 2010, 03:30
Do they actually call the industry. Lollywood ?

no

Inswinger
7th February 2010, 03:32
Do they actually call the industry. Lollywood ?
Yes. It's based in Lahore. That's where the L comes from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollywood

RexRex
7th February 2010, 03:37
Yes. It's based in Lahore. That's where the L comes from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollywood
And I thought we were shameless :9:

AZ
7th February 2010, 03:39
And I thought we were shameless :9:

you are shameless

Gabbar Singh
7th February 2010, 03:48
A few good actors would be a start.

In that case only one man can rescue the industry and become a real global superstar in the process.

http://slanchreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/shoaib.jpg

RX
7th February 2010, 03:51
In that case only one man can rescue the industry and become a real global superstar in the process.

http://slanchreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/shoaib.jpg

He looks like a paedo in that pic

Mohsin
7th February 2010, 03:52
1. Don't try and copy Bollywood
2. Watch Khuda Ke Liye and learn
3. Do NOT copy Bollywood

kingusama92
7th February 2010, 04:11
Write good scripts and focus on topics that haven't been shown in movies before. I am sure we have some exceptional writing talents in our nation.

We all saw how well some lollywood movies have done because of awesome scripts. The main thing to avoid is the "masala" movies that have no substance to them. Lollywood needs to move away from those things.

iHammad
7th February 2010, 04:12
need good actors, who are humble, non-******** and have a good personality.

AZ
7th February 2010, 04:34
and stop calling it Lollywood while you're at it.

insaftak
7th February 2010, 04:43
now i'm all for taxing and spending but this is one industry that needs Tax break for next thirty years. also need to get away from Punjabi Badmash movies.

insaftak
7th February 2010, 04:45
now i'm all for taxing and spending but this is one industry that needs Tax break for next thirty years. also need to get away from Punjabi Badmash movies.

this is what i mean when i'm talking about punjabi badmash movies

D2A882TsTFQ

Deewana Mastana
7th February 2010, 05:39
People like Mehreen Jabbar "Ramchand Pakistani" and Shoaib Mansoor "Khuda Ke Liye" started the process of making films that can bring audiences back to the cinemas in Pakistan and for people outside of Pakistan something that makes them say "hey, thats a Pakistani film" and makes them feel good about it.

I've heard Shoaib Mansoor has recently signed up Atif Aslam in his upcoming project "Bol" so it sounds and something to look forward to and in terms of more people who are good in the field of direction and it springs to mind another name of whom I know is a director Shahzad Nawaz who's made drama's for tv and is currently working on a project "Bulleh Shah - The Movie" which again sounds like an interesting subject!

Good work is happening I suppose but its still a long way to go as more such people like Mehreen, Shoaib and Shahzad are needed to revive Pakistan's film industry!

Garuda
7th February 2010, 08:44
First of all make it an industry (not just in calling but in real sense). It should be treated like other sectors like auto, IT or pharma.

The producers should be able to get finance from banks to make good budget movies with a proper distribution and marketing channel.

I know, a story/script is very important, but without the above things its difficult to make the product commercially successful. A commercial failure will make the producer re-think about creating another movie.

Yashraj banners in India no more creates movies only from creativity point of view. They are treating their production house as a factory. Release 10 movies in a year (its possible with finance available) and even if 2-3 movies click, they will make over all profit. So its more of a business than creativity alone. One can argue on the quality, agreed, but from a business and movie industry point its profitable.

Geordie Ahmed
7th February 2010, 08:57
The problem is talented (proper talent im talking about) will struggle because sadly the society is such that we want to see tacky films for cheap thrills, hence the reason Bollywood is popular in Pakistan

The Pakistani film industry tries to follow suit and it fails - its funny BUT i guess their is an art to making tacky films and we clearly are not as good as our neighbours

Zechariah
7th February 2010, 09:05
We need proper institutions like they have in the US and India.

Khabri420
7th February 2010, 09:06
We need more actresses like Meera

namak
7th February 2010, 09:43
The biggest problem is that the film world is frowned upon by the mainstream Pakistani society. Its okay to watch the movies, but working in movies is only supposed to be for the people with *loose* character, or lack of moral fiber. It was said that in the 50s and the 60s, most heroines were the biggest courtesans of their day.

The religious right denounces anything related to films, television, or music, and hence, many artistically inclined people do not choose this as a career path.

In any industry, when there is dearth of talent, it becomes weak, and that is exactly what has happened with the film industry.

I was brought up hearing day in, day out that watching movies, tv, and listening to music for entertainment is haraam, and all the people associated with such industries are sinners. Watching cricket matches was discouraged, but I watched them anyway :D

I do believe that a part of this attitude is present in Pakistani society to some degree, where people will tolerate watching/listening, but when it actually comes to the point of working in the industry, people will be discouraged, ridiculed, etc, so I dont see how the movie industry can be a success in Pakistan.

Garuda
7th February 2010, 09:53
The biggest problem is that the film world is frowned upon by the mainstream Pakistani society. Its okay to watch the movies, but working in movies is only supposed to be for the people with *loose* character, or lack of moral fiber. It was said that in the 50s and the 60s, most heroines were the biggest courtesans of their day.

The religious right denounces anything related to films, television, or music, and hence, many artistically inclined people do not choose this as a career path.

In any industry, when there is dearth of talent, it becomes weak, and that is exactly what has happened with the film industry.

I was brought up hearing day in, day out that watching movies, tv, and listening to music for entertainment is haraam, and all the people associated with such industries are sinners. Watching cricket matches was discouraged, but I watched them anyway :D

I do believe that a part of this attitude is present in Pakistani society to some degree, where people will tolerate watching/listening, but when it actually comes to the point of working in the industry, people will be discouraged, ridiculed, etc, so I dont see how the movie industry can be a success in Pakistan.


I don't think there is lack of talent in pakistan. Look at the singers., comedians. We have seen some of them in Indian TV and shows and they are all very talented.

Similarly there will be very good actors too.

The main thing is they do not have a platform to showcase it. Like I said before, only talent can't create a product and sell.

d0gers
7th February 2010, 10:05
Reportedly, Meera Nair was in Pakistan recently as she's looking to make a film adaptation of The Reluctant Fundamentalist. This might be a good opportunity for some local talent to make their name.

namak
7th February 2010, 10:06
I don't think there is lack of talent in pakistan. Look at the singers., comedians. We have seen some of them in Indian TV and shows and they are all very talented.

Similarly there will be very good actors too.

The main thing is they do not have a platform to showcase it. Like I said before, only talent can't create a product and sell.


True, the platform doesnt exist. With the right platform, the existing talent can excel even more. And yes, some excellent people have made it in the film/tv industry, but if you ask them, they had to endure struggle. I personally know about a tabla player who's family severed all ties with him when they found out he used to play at classical music concerts in secret. The social pressure does exist.

Today, if you ask Pakistanis how many Indian movies they have seen, most will answer a high number. If you ask the equivalent number for Pakistani movies, the answer will be a much lower number. If you see movies from 1950, the quality of Indian and Pakistani movies is pretty similar. The difference in quality today is remarkable, and a lot of this is because of a platform. But, if an industry is discouraged, how can a good platform t support it be built?

Savak
7th February 2010, 10:29
In my view, the first thing that needs to be done is a clampdown in piracy. Second thing is that cinema's have got to be given financial support by the government and banks. Third thing that needs to be done is that the cinema's must price in accordance with the Pakistani Target Market i.e. extremely cheaply for the lower class, mid pricing for the middle class, and high prices for those who want elite seats upfront.

Fourth thing is a bit of privatization would help, i strongly believe our film industry collapsed when Gen Zia during his Islamization spree started imposing all sorts of religious restrictions on the movie industry. The fears that the film's will then start showing religously explicit content is a bit unfounded in my view because in the end privatization or not, everyone is operating in the Pakistani environment and there is no way anyone will have the guts to cross the line.

Fifth thing, i know this is a bit unpopular and will definately be controversial but i think the government should seriously allow both Hollywood and Bollywood films to be screened in all cinema's across Pakistan. This way the cinema culture will be revived, second this will increase competition amongst cinema's in Pakistan and thirdly it will give an incentive to Pakistani Film Makers to compete with Bollywood

Sixth, the government has got to crack down on Piracy, the government has got to introduce laws that any shopkeeper who will sell a VCD, DVD of a Hollywood, Bollywood film that has been released in the last 3 months will face serious jail time and this is something that has got to be implemented. Salletile/Cable Operators must be threatened with licence suspension, cancellation should they show any pirated films on their networks. The government should also ban certain bollywood sites that allow users to download films.

Seventh, Ofcourse talent has to be promoted and there is no shortage of talent in Pakistan, i mean our tv serials and drama's are certainly a lot better than the stuff that comes out from the Indian cinema. I have heard through many sources that a lot of Indians prefer to buy DVD's of Pakistani drama's instead of watching their own local drama's.

Eighth, last but not least it is the duty of the government to keep the right wing, religious extremist elements in Check by hook or by crook. This is in the form of providing complete financial, moral and security support to all artists operating in the film industry. Even India has issues with religious extremists but they provide a great deal of security to their entertainment artists and celebrities.

Last but not least, please do away with the crappy scripts, story line, crapy acting, lack of professionalism from both the actors, directors and producers. Introduce young blood if necessary and do away with the old done and dusted crap.

I am sure if sincere efforts were made our film industry can do a lot better than how it is doing recently.

insaftak
7th February 2010, 10:35
if I had money I would make a movie on a victim of a drone attack today

kingusama92
7th February 2010, 12:10
if I had money I would make a movie on a victim of a drone attack today

If made properly that would be quite a topic to base a movie on. It would make for a compelling watch.

Garuda
7th February 2010, 13:01
if I had money I would make a movie on a victim of a drone attack today

What would you name it?

I propose "White drone down" in the lines of "Black hawk down" ;-)

DHONI183
7th February 2010, 19:18
A little off topic, but I would like to add that our public needs to be a little more realistic. I wouldn´t like to single out anyone but, from cricket to film industry, you can´t blame everything on the government and politicians.

UP
7th February 2010, 19:39
Insaano wali filmay banao log khud dekhne aaye ge. Khuda Ke Liye & Ramchand Pakistani are some examples.

Don't copy anyone, good stories - family watchable and good actors are needed.

Any good film will attract viewers, simple as that. It doesn't matter if the film is Pakistani or Indian.

Desire
7th February 2010, 19:42
the president of pakistan is a film actor himself. he participated as a childstar in a pakistani movie. if ppp cant revive film industry then nobody will

BoomBoomCricket
7th February 2010, 21:12
Pakistani film industry sucks with the exception of "East is East" and "Kudha Ki Liye". Just have Bollywood/Tollywood :akhtar :malik :afridi :wasim :)) :))

BoomBoomCricket
7th February 2010, 21:13
Actresses are disapproved in our culture. One of the reasons behind this failing industry.

Chasing Cars
7th February 2010, 21:27
Actresses are disapproved in our culture. One of the reasons behind this failing industry.
That's very true.
Hey maybe they can do what they did in Shakespeare's time and dress the guys up as women?
Can you imagine Shaan doing a mujra type dance instead of say, Saima?
:))) :))) :)))

Desire
7th February 2010, 22:12
That's very true.
Hey maybe they can do what they did in Shakespeare's time and dress the guys up as women?
Can you imagine Shaan doing a mujra type dance instead of say, Saima?
:))) :))) :)))

There is no difference between saima and shan even now.

Mohsin
8th February 2010, 02:04
What would you name it?

I propose "White drone down" in the lines of "Black hawk down" ;-)

Well the 'Political Correctness Brigade' would love that! ;-)

Chasing Cars
8th February 2010, 02:05
There is no difference between saima and shan even now.
Hmm yes, she is quite...manly. :13:

deviously~fading~away
9th February 2010, 18:07
What the industry requires in my view is:

For young Pakistanis to write, act and direct films. If finding money for production is difficult than start off with short films, enter them into the film festivals which takes place all over the world (Middle East for instance) and create something.

We need to stop relying on one or two directors to make one movie in 2-3 years which does successful business in and around Pakistan.

Zach Braff & Adam Brody come into mind in Hollywood as actors who are busy trying bring change, when most would argue Hollywood doesn't need change. Yet these two actors are busy trying to create work which they feel isnt there.

I personally have been involved since a while in trying to come up with something that sparks something new for the Pakistani film industry. But it would be great if I knew more Pakistanis who would want to reach the same path as I.

PS- the saying that one man can make a difference... I lost faith in it a long time ago!

Zu456
10th February 2010, 00:15
show pakistani cricket - will mak an excellent comedy

Qelic
10th February 2010, 02:35
one and the only Soltuion for pak film industry : - shift it out of Punjab !

Looney
28th May 2012, 22:12
Dawn.com talks to Zeeshan Kazmi who made his directorial debut with the forthcoming film The Dusk, a socio-political drama venture of Wajahat Kazmi Films & Shahzad Nasib.

Tell us a little bit about your project and how long you’ve been working on it.

It’s a film which talks about human emotions and behaviour of society towards victims of terrorism in the current situation of Pakistan, We’ve been working on the film since September 2010.

How do you think masses of Pakistan will respond to it, given the different aspects you are looking at?

Those who are looking for realistic cinema projects will find it believable and presenting their thought process in current scenario and others who are looking for entertainment inside films will disappoint themselves.

With tons of Bollywood and Hollywood films being released at the same time alongside, what kind of people do you think will come to see the film?

The film does not aim to compete those larger than life Bollywood and action-packed technology-oriented Hollywood movies because of major differences in the production scale and the style of storytelling, The Dusk isn’t a commercial film at all but I think filmgoers will give it a try.

What aspect of the film struck you most when you saw the story for “The Dusk”?

Well, every auteur truly wants to underscore his/her own mindset while making films. When I first read the script I was like “Oh yes this is what I was looking for to make a film on”.

The film follows the current situation and showing the multifaceted nature of the country. How did you go about “casting”/finding these people for the film? What surprised you the most when following their lives?

Finding actors for a film is the most difficult task film makers are facing these days. Talent resources are limited because most of the actors we can cast are from television industry and getting them “in” effects a film in two ways. First, audience watch these TV actors all time on their televisions so the exclusiveness of film gets killed and secondly acting style of film is extremely different from the TV style of acting which overall affects the grandness of film and makes it closer to TV serials.

The other resource is fashion industry but the success ratio of models-turned-actors is quite limited because their focus of being an actor is more about visual appearance instead of characterization aesthetics and emotional facility.

How has the response and experience been towards your film during international film festivals?

The film was supposed to hit festivals late 2012 but the film company which has produced the film wanted it to be in local theatres before screening it anywhere in the world in order to keep the film exclusive to audience, that’s why festival screenings have been postponed.

With a lot of young people coming up, telling stories and having a sense of direction, making films seems like the new “in” thing. How do you think it can be invested upon further to make it a better professional endeavor?

I think this is the right time for film students to jump in because many young film makers have initiated the process and with the energy of young, film literate team members we can invest upon it further.

Do you think the new breed of filmmakers are recreating our long lost cinema or following Bollywood?

To be honest, nobody is recreating our long lost cinema. Some filmmakers are working in Bollywood style to directly get commercial success while few are doing their own stuff according to standard film art.

As you look back on “The Dusk” as a finished product with the film about to be released, how do you feel about it as a product?

I love the film as it is my debut direction but I believe that it could be made better with more research and planning. That’s what comes from experience

What must a film have in order to captivate a mass audience?

Our audience lacks cine-literacy which forcibly makes them like only the production value and star cast of a project. Without being cine-literate one cannot watch and appreciate the film. Our filmgoers will enjoy a shot with extreme distortion of lens more than a subtle moment of emotion. They will enjoy a larger than life visual treatment with Hell drums more than an inner vocal reaction of a character or symbolism. Categorical rejection is also a common trend found in our audience. Practically, captivating a mass audience is not a task of today’s filmmaker for now.

What are the biggest obstacles for aspiring film-makers in Pakistan?

There are hundreds but mainly absence of talent resources, vision-less actors, non-practical approach of film crews and unavailability of proper marketing structure are some of the main hurdles

How can the country invest further in this industry?

With people who have mastered film education, we can build better teams. People should participate in the whole process of film-making as screenwriters, art directors, cinematographers, editors and sound designers instead of searching for the director’s chair only.

I, myself designed posters, directed and edited film, designed sound, worked on lyrics and at times narrated the film through my voice in “The Dusk”.

http://dawn.com/2012/05/28/rendezvous-with-an-upcoming-pakistani-film-director/

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I liked the journalism ethics scene :wahab

Dolphins
28th May 2012, 23:28
First the government needs to treat the Pakistani film industry as an industry first. It needs to help in funding movies, providing equipment, labs, studios and film schools. Filmmakers in Pakistan need to go to Thailand and India for post production because post production labs do not exist in Pakistan. Were still using cameras and other equipment from the 70s.
The film industry needs financiers. Even if you have a great script, it's useless if you cannot get funds to make the actual movie.
For the past few years we've been seeing lots of trailers of Pakistani movies and hearing about them but only 1-5% of them have actually been released. The reason for that is Pakistani movies fail to get distribution and the production company runs out of money half way through the movie.
We should follow the Canadian and Korean model of how they revived their film industry. It's pretty weird that Pakistan used to have a great film industry until the 70s but after the Islamization of Pakistan and the film industry moving to Lahore resulted in its destruction.

I myself am a screenwriter and filmmaker. I'm currently writing some screenplays that could be great for the Pakistani audiences but currently for me making a movie in Pakistan is a bad choice due to low pay, bad equipment, lack of proper film studios and no budget.

Looney
29th May 2012, 01:49
I have zero expectations from Pakistani government , current one , and the ones to come in future .

Even now , most of the better films that are being made are made by people based in Karachi . People like Javed Jabbar have so much to offer but they are sidelined by the corrupt people . For the film industry to prosper , it must move back to Karachi .

Aly
29th May 2012, 02:16
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I liked the journalism ethics scene :wahab

Seriously dude????

Did you even listen to the cringe-worthy english accent at the background ..I stopped watching at the very point

a flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag..aaaaan indeeeepeeeeeeendeeeeeent meeeediaaaaaa :))) :)))

karachi or lahore, mostly lowlife pimps would be attracted to this business as long as the government doesn't support film making in general

Noork85
29th May 2012, 13:00
Get rid of the heavy weights :)


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jeetu
31st May 2012, 15:19
Good script is the key.

Asim2Good
31st May 2012, 20:15
1: Good Script
2: Educated producers/directors/actors
3: Good technology
4: Marketing / Promotion (so ppl atlease know some movie is coming)
5 : Timely Release (we have seens trailers of Dusk & Waar long long time ago, but still don't know when movies are coming out
6: Release of movies on DVD, they hardly release them DVD, even they do, they are hardly available in market

We do have hell lot of good material/storys to make a movie and way too good writers but they been wasted

Indian movies are successful mainly because of heavy promotions, no one cares abt acting or story, but its een promoted through TV channels heavily and everyone says, let watch it atleast one time and see whats so special abt the movie. they are promoting each song of movie whole day on ALL tv channels

Looney
31st May 2012, 23:00
^ Yeah , true

Stewie
1st June 2012, 00:24
Our film "industry" is (sad to say) run by people with bad family backgrounds. Most directors/producers/actors either belong to a certain section of our society or deal with a certain section of society that others do not like to associate with publicly. Specially if you belong to a respectable, educated family, you would not want anything to do with the mainstream Lollywood.

I think the industry can be revived if someone with good ideas and concepts and finances decides to go the "Indi" route as they say here in the US. off the wall, completely non mainstream, etc.

And still it will take years and years to gain acceptance. Careers in Showbiz in every form in Pakistan are looked down upon, and with good reason in some ways, might I add.

imranq
1st June 2012, 03:21
Need more Maula Jatt's :)

Garuda
1st June 2012, 16:31
Our film "industry" is (sad to say) run by people with bad family backgrounds. Most directors/producers/actors either belong to a certain section of our society or deal with a certain section of society that others do not like to associate with publicly. Specially if you belong to a respectable, educated family, you would not want anything to do with the mainstream Lollywood.

I think the industry can be revived if someone with good ideas and concepts and finances decides to go the "Indi" route as they say here in the US. off the wall, completely non mainstream, etc.

And still it will take years and years to gain acceptance. Careers in Showbiz in every form in Pakistan are looked down upon, and with good reason in some ways, might I add.

Good point. As long as people don't want to be part of this industry, it will not be big.

If people wants to watch movie but don't want their kids to be part of it, it will never gain as an industry. Even if govt declares it an industry and banks provide finances, the ideas will still be limited and the money will be wasted.

It should be looked as a career by people and loads of people should be pouring into it to be part of it. Then the industry will be able to filter and get the best out of that immense pool.

Looney
3rd June 2012, 00:47
Upcoming film Naach
Cast includes Shaan and Javed Sheikh

I hope this is not the official trailer
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Song from the film
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akheR
4th June 2012, 22:13
I was just watching this clip (even more than listening to the song):

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And, damn, just give some decent platform to these chaps and Pak. movie industry will be big as hell, believe me.
Names like Shah Zaman Baloch, Abdullah Haris or Ali Kapadia (ironically all connected to Karachi) are the proof that there's no dearth of talent, but criminal lack of media exposure/State-sponsored facilities and if we don't do an organic change in that matter, they'll just make clips for songs and not movies.

We should also have a mature culture which nurtures an authentic cultural effervescence, and if they're addicted to "mainstream" Hollywood or Bollywood, that kind of Pak. cinema industry isn't attractive either.

Thees_Mar_Khan
4th June 2012, 22:40
I was just watching this clip (even more than listening to the song):

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And, damn, just give some decent platform to these chaps and Pak. movie industry will be big as hell, believe me.
Names like Shah Zaman Baloch, Abdullah Haris or Ali Kapadia (ironically all connected to Karachi) are the proof that there's no dearth of talent, but criminal lack of media exposure/State-sponsored facilities and if we don't do an organic change in that matter, they'll just make clips for songs and not movies.

We should also have a mature culture which nurtures an authentic cultural effervescence, and if they're addicted to "mainstream" Hollywood or Bollywood, that kind of Pak. cinema industry isn't attractive either.

Unfortunately film investors in pak invest money on heroins of their likes. Majority of these herions do films as a side business. The investors don't invest on films to be hit. Until these unprofessional investors /actors are involved the industry won't flourish. Moving this industry out of the mandhi would be step in the right direction.

LooneyReturns
30th September 2013, 12:56
BUMP

*Chambaili made 82 lakh in 4 days

*Zinda Bhaag (The Movie) beats its main competitor 'Phata Posta Nikla Hero' at the Pakistani Box Office in their opening week. Both movies released together but Zinda Bhaag has took the lead.

Zinda Bhaag has collected 75 Lakhs, when PPNH collected 71 Lakhs. Seems like the race is on, and ZB is slightly ahead!

* Main Hoon Shahid Afridi has been running for 6 weeks now and doing extremely well .

* Waar set to release on Eid ul Azha .

Boom Boom Afridi seen after watching MHSA at the Atrium .
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