Official Thread: Pak V W.I. Day 2, Barbados [27/5/05]

[Awesome Anjum]

WI bowled out for 345 - scintillating innings by Lara and promise of fireworks by Afridi - are we looking forward to today ? Yes !!!

Pakistan resume at 22/0....

[IMMY69]

i for one just cannot wait for it begin!!!

hope the weather will be warm and sunny...i also hope windies show real fight in the field and bowl fast and to the best of their ability...but all batsman to contribute and score big!!! prefer for us to make big runs against bowlers who are giving 100pct and that too against guys bowling arnd 90 mph because that will show that our batsman are progressing and doing better and better with each outing! better this then a pointless 100 against a toothless attack!

afridi vs edwards (or any windies bowler) is a tentalising prospect!

[MIG]

Guys - I know many will be reading this but spare a few moments to pray for the souls of the dead in the Islamabad blast - May ALLAH forgive their sins and grant them a place in Jannah, Ameen ! ( full story of the blast is in TimePass) Thanks.

[Hash]

Ameen

[Fessal]

Ameen!

[Fessal]

Pak should today look to play there normal cricket but not take too many risks before lunch. Afridi very unlikley to be there for 1 hour or more. Hopefully he will and Pak will go on to win.

[tahaqureshi]

half an hour left till start of play I think?

[fair_play]

I thought starts at 13:30 GMT?

[alghazzali]

play about 2 begin

[alghazzali]

Afridi plays ad misses first ball!!

[tahaqureshi]

FOUR!!!!!!!

[HAFRIDI]

afridi gone!!!

[smoothcriminal]

ah well

[HAFRIDI]

out edge to slip dam!!

[fair_play]

Was that a defensive stroke?

[mooz]

sanjay said it best " afridi just not good enough"

on a realted note, i don't know who is good enough in this line-up to negotiate edwards swing and pace.

[tahaqureshi]

wat the hell??

why was he in such a rush?

[whyhkk]

Well maybe if he tried to wack that it would havE Gone over the slips

[mooz]

wat the hell??

why was he in such a rush?

even more than that, why is he opening the innings?

[DM]

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Good bowling by Fidel - he's bowling with swing and pace


The decision to open with Afridi has backfired

[smoothcriminal]

edward was bowling very smartly. afridi was never gonna last long

[alghazzali]

OHH here we go, if he smackd a hundred ud b the oppositw shut up and watch the game

[pakmandanish]

where is youhana

i cant make him out in the pakistani line up for this match(!)

[fair_play]

Afridi needs to play big shots to survive. He needs to chance his arm.

If hegot out getting squared up I would be disappointed. If on the other hand a full stroke went to hand then I would say bad luck.

[DM]

Why on earth did Woolmer/YK send (1) the most unstable batsman in the universe (or in light of the M-theory, universes) (2) to face the fastest fit bowling attack in cricket today, (3) bowling with the new ball, (4) with only 4 overs of play left in the day and (5) - with 2 specialist openers in the team already!?!

Noddy, who in management had the massive stroke?!

[mooz]

OHH here we go, if he smackd a hundred ud b the oppositw shut up and watch the game

If he makes a hundred all of us will enjoy the innings, but u can't get away from the fact that afridi is not equipped to play up the order in test matches.
I can understand using him as an opener as the situation dictates((like against india in the third test), but sending him in yesterday when there were only 4 overs left was illogical.

[Officer Barbrady]

Was that a defensive stroke?

From cricinfo:
"4.3 Edwards to Shahid Afridi, OUT: Superb ball, full and late outswing,
squared Afridi who did not seem to have the technique to handle
such a ball, edged to third slip and Devon Smith holds a good
catch low"

I think you can visualize exactly what happened as we've seen it many times before.

[whyhkk]

Could someone explain then what is the point of Afridi being down the order?

[mooz]

Afridi needs to play big shots to survive. He needs to chance his arm.

If hegot out getting squared up I would be disappointed. If on the other hand a full stroke went to hand then I would say bad luck.

I think he got out to some sort of a defensive stroke.
Looked ugly.

[DM]

It was a great delivery by Edwards

[DM]

Could someone explain then what is the point of Afridi being down the order?
So that he can have his way with the bowlers bowling with the old ball - ie massacre them. The decision to open with him yesterday is very peculiar

[Monsee]

Why on earth did Woolmer/YK send (1) the most unstable batsman in the universe (or in light of the M-theory, universes) (2) to face the fastest fit bowling attack in cricket today, (3) bowling with the new ball, (4) with only 4 overs of play left in the day and (5) - with 2 specialist openers in the team already!?!

Noddy, who in management had the massive stroke?!


Some people always find a way to complain...people get over it...earlier everyone was happy that he is opening and now this...give me a break

BTW, how in heck WI attack the "Fastest and Fittest attck" in cricket...last time I checked, WI have lost gazillion One Dayers in a row and not to forget the numerous test defeats too :O :)?

[fair_play]

Was that a defensive stroke?

From cricinfo:
"4.3 Edwards to Shahid Afridi, OUT: Superb ball, full and late outswing,
squared Afridi who did not seem to have the technique to handle
such a ball, edged to third slip and Devon Smith holds a good
catch low"

I think you can visualize exactly what happened as we've seen it many times before.


Thanks Marooned!

Here is what I wrote before the start of play:

"
In my opinion, if he does two of the following things he has a better chance of lasting longer:

1) Avoid playing defensively on off stump. He should look to go hard at the ball on off stump.

2) Try to hot straighter to avoid those leading edges. In fact, part of his resurgence now is that he does look to hit over cover and mid off more than he used to
"

His defensive play on off stump is low percentage batting. Hitting through the line would be much better for him.

[mooz]

just brings up the question of who is making these decisions. Is it YK? Bob? even Inzi? Do I hear someone say "the bookies"?

[whyhkk]

DM doesnt the old ball swing a lot also. And there is the potential of the new ball bring bought also.

[DM]

Some people always find a way to complain...people get over it...earlier everyone was happy that he is opening and now this...give me a break

BTW, how in heck WI attack the "Fastest and Fittest attck" in cricket...last time I checked, WI have lost gazillion One Dayers in a row and not to forget the numerous test defeats too :O :)?
Monsee in my Afridi thread, you'll see i posted this same paragraph last night

And i didn't say "Fastest and Fittest attack" - i said "Fastest fit attack - ie NOT Akhtar and Sami. And their defeats have absolutely nothing to do with how fast they are.


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[fair_play]

It was a great delivery by Edwards

DM, paradoxically, if I were to ask Afridi to open, I would ask him to play even more attacking shots - especially on off stump.

He is likelier to survive longer, and is likelier to get more runs.

His defensive play on off stump - getting squared on - is low percentage. But with his physical strength, hitting through the line, sometimes getting hold of it, other times getting an edge will be a better percentage.

[Love and Theft]

Yasir seems unsure of what to do - God gives us batsmen who can play swing

[Officer Barbrady]

Thanks Marooned!

Here is what I wrote before the start of play:

"
In my opinion, if he does two of the following things he has a better chance of lasting longer:

1) Avoid playing defensively on off stump. He should look to go hard at the ball on off stump.

2) Try to hot straighter to avoid those leading edges. In fact, part of his resurgence now is that he does look to hit over cover and mid off more than he used to
"
His defensive play on off stump is low percentage batting. Hitting through the line would be much better for him.

I agree but it's test cricket and how long he lasts matters quite a bit. With a new ball and a good bowler up front (though there are few in the world left these days) it just becomes a tad difficult.

Not asking him to open may be a good option. After all we are going to face Harmison and Flintoff soon.

[DM]

Agreed FP - especially to fuller deliveries - as was the one that dismissed him

It's such a sick feeling seeing Afridi getting dismissed - Afridi for 200 in 2nd innings :D

[fair_play]

If its moving around, they will need some luck to survive.

No batsman likes movment - not at pace.

[whyhkk]

Butt has 20 runs out of 21 in boundaries

[offstump]

windies are troubling us with their pace and outswingers.. hameed looks completely lost

[tahaqureshi]

Salman playing extremely well...

20 of his 21 runs have come off boundaries...meaning 5 4's already

[GamBiTT]

maybe the slingy action of fidel is bothering hameed
or maybe the movement ..
or maybe the pace ...


NOT A PRETTY SIGHT !!!

[Officer Barbrady]

10.1 Edwards to Yasir Hameed, no run, steps out and drives, ball came in
and got the inside edge onto the pads and past off stump, Hameed
in lots of trouble out there

[tahaqureshi]

10.1 Edwards to Yasir Hameed, no run, steps out and drives, ball came in and got the inside edge onto the pads and past off stump, Hameed in lots of trouble out there

I feel for him

[DM]

it really makes you wonder why we decided to open with Afridi, the most technically adept batsman in the universe at coping with high pace and swing TM

[Pathan007]

11.2 Powell to Salman Butt, no run, left alone as its clear that Salman
seems confident but Hameed is tentative with the swinging ball"

[offstump]

yup thats exactly whats happening... commentators are cutting up hameed pretty bad

[IMMY69]

and hammed is now out too...technically lloked almost as bad as afiridi..atleast if afridi hangs about he is gonna score heavily...

[Late Cut]

Does anyone have any audio link for today's game?

[TruePak]

I hope Hamid does well....
Dropping in and out of the team, and then being sent in at a difficult time (ball swinging) does seem pretty hard on him...
hope he does well...

oops.....!
spoke to soon...!!!
X)

[GamBiTT]

Poor Hameed .. always looked out of his depth!!!

Pak in deep trouble here ... with 2 wickets down!

As I said yesterday .. the ball is going to continue to swing and seam ...
LETS see how many of our batsmen are MEN amongst the boys!!!

[offstump]

bowled and beaten by pace... what an ugly innnings

[AsimL8]

I'd rather take Afridi over Yasir ANYDAY for batting, bowling or fielding.

[Pathan007]

THE only and only recognised bastman YOUNIS kaka left

[offstump]

edwards is bowling with some serious pace

[pakmandanish]

yes has anybody audio link?!
would be really nice

[Pathan007]

^yea man 93MPH

[GamBiTT]

So, had BW and Inzi been thinking with your GENIUS approach to Pakistan cricket, Younis Khan would have been out of Pak cricket well before even the Indian series..

So how do you feel at the moment. I wonder who you would have batting for us right now in this situation.

[Officer Barbrady]

Interesting to remember that some here were comparing Hameed with Tendulkar after he had some success on the flattest of tracks against the ordinary Indian attack last year.

Amazing how people change opinions here.

[GamBiTT]

So, had BW and Inzi been thinking with your GENIUS approach to Pakistan cricket, Younis Khan would have been out of Pak cricket well before even the Indian series..

So how do you feel at the moment. I wonder who you would have batting for us right now in this situation.

This message was for AJ!

[pakmandanish]

u mean against the bangladeshi attack(!)
even worse

[PakPassionate]

This is how Yasir Out!!

http://img146.echo.cx/img146/2377/151132255198606ib.jpg

[GamBiTT]

WI just gifted Butt a life .. dropped by Sarwan in 2nd slip .. . i think he has a hangover ... idiot .. it was a simple 1st slip catch.

[offstump]

easy catch...butts feet were in the toilet

[kasoo10]

Why Edward is off the field? Is he injured?

[pakmandanish]

at least the danger man is off the field

[PakPassionate]

Intersting to see how Bazid play here :)

[Pathan007]

Intersting to see how Bazid play here :)he will be another failure :D

[offstump]

they're saying edwards might have a back injury

[Monsee]

Intersting to see how Bazid play here :)he will be another failure :D

Some Pak fan you are...or are you an Indian by any chance :P :D

[zorawar]

Butt dropped... well well... looks like Pak batsmen need major coaching on how to play swing!

[Pathan007]

Intersting to see how Bazid play here :)he will be another failure :D

Some Pak fan you are...or are you an Indian by any chance :P :Dpakfan pakfan ;)+ :D

[DM]

they're saying edwards might have a back injury
That'll be a huge let-off for us. It's a pity Afridi had to face him when he was at full pelt

[Monsee]

they're saying edwards might have a back injury

Best news in a while

>:) ;)+ \A/ B/” \:@/ =B) :!5

[Pathan007]

too much pace not good. caused him back injury LOL

[kasoo10]

Edward is back! Can he still bowl?

[Monsee]

Intersting to see how Bazid play here :)he will be another failure :D

Some Pak fan you are...or are you an Indian by any chance :P :Dpakfan pakfan ;)+ :D

I knew, I was just pulling your leg...how can a sane person be an Indian fan especially since you have to be about 25 years old to remember an overseas win by your team >:) >:) :)))

[GamBiTT]

Butt dropped... well well... looks like Pak batsmen need major coaching on how to play swing!

;-) first one from Butt where he suffered more from laziness than swing buddy. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN YOUR BELOVED YASIR cope with swing. He looked like the master batsman that he is in your eyes!!

[Officer Barbrady]

they're saying edwards might have a back injury

Best news in a while

>:) ;)+ \A/ B/” \:@/ =B) :!5


But why monsee? Got to do well against the best they've got otherwise how do we learn and improve? Yes monsee?

[Pathan007]

ppl like edwards can be found in Pakistan "GALLIS" according to Miandad saab :D

[GamBiTT]

they're saying edwards might have a back injury

Best news in a while

>:) ;)+ \A/ B/” \:@/ =B) :!5

what a sick attitude towards others ..

[PakPassionate]

Afridi k out hone k baad mahool sunsaan hogia hai http://paktribes.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/laugh2.gif

[the Great Khan]

what do yu mean Bazid will be "another failure"?? this isnt an indian forum.. we should be positive and support the boys..unless your an indian...

hameed seemed very low on confidence..what the hells happened to him??

[Pathan007]

Afridi k out hone k baad mahool sunsaan hogia hai http://paktribes.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/laugh2.gifhaan yaar. now official test has begun

[Officer Barbrady]

Butt dropped... well well... looks like Pak batsmen need major coaching on how to play swing!

;-) first one from Butt where he suffered more from laziness than swing buddy. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN YOUR BELOVED YASIR cope with swing. He looked like the master batsman that he is in your eyes!!

I sense an ongoing fued between the two of you.

[offstump]

hameed looked completely lost.. a shade of the player he once was...he was playing pre-meditated shots on the front foot and tried to pull a short one from edwards which the commentators described as embarassing

[PakPassionate]

Aaj tau cheerleaders bhi nahee haiN....kal maza aayega

[Pathan007]

what do yu mean Bazid will be "another failure"?? this isnt an indian forum.. we should be positive and support the boys..unless your an indian...

hameed seemed very low on confidence..what the hells happened to him??bcz Bazid another "*********" bcz of his father. there are good batsmen in Pakistan than bazid

[the Great Khan]

if Bazid gets a big score here which i think he may i think hammeds gonna have to go back to the domestics!!

[Officer Barbrady]

hameed looked completely lost.. a shade of the player he once was...he was playing pre-meditated shots on the front foot and tried to pull a short one from edwards which the commentators described as embarassing

His problems with the pull shot extend back to the first test series he played. Any how it appears the conditions weren't very good for batting.

[Pathan007]

man this shi8 score is not even moving ever since younis has came to play. 63runs from past half an hour

[zorawar]

LOL.... Gambitt, first chance of bashing Yasir and you pounce on him... he is still better than the pathetic Taufeeq of whom you are such a big fan...

Yasir was beaten by pace not swing and by the current fastest bowler in the world. Taufeeq was making Pathan and Balaji look like Holding and Marshall :)

In ICC trophy, Yasir played the swing best when all the other batsmen were looking like a fish out of water against the slow medium WI swing bowlers.

By the way I only support Yasir just because he should be given a fair chance and not played in one game and dropped in the next.. that can play havoc with any batsman's confidence ...

I never said he is a master batsman..in fact.. If we can find a better batsman to open in Tests with Butt, I will be the first one to support him...

[Officer Barbrady]

man this shi8 score is not even moving ever since younis has came to play. 63runs from past half an hour

Perhaps we should have sent you out to bat.

[Pathan007]

last 5.3overs only 10runs

[tahaqureshi]

Why the hell did you put that pic PakPassionate????????????

[offstump]

yasir is better than taufeeq no doubt.. but lately his innings have been painful to watch.. except the last test against india when he made 70 odd...but there was no pressure there

[adi 101]

bangladesh lose their first wicket as they are 400 runs behind england it just makes me happy pakistan arnt that *****

[offstump]

Why the hell did you put that pic PakPassionate????????????

HAHAHAHAHA...that was nasty what were you thinking pakpassionate.. hahahah gross

[adi 101]

pakistan starting to go along nicely......

[the Great Khan]

bcz Bazid another "*********" bcz of his father. there are good batsmen in Pakistan than bazid

other than Hasan Raza name some..!! Bazid and Raza i beleive are the only two that at the moment could get into this side!!...maybe ashar zaidi (but isnt he larger than miandad and basit ali put together?? lol)

[Pathan007]

18.6 King to Salman Butt, FOUR, smashed over the covers and an expensive
over for West Indies as the playing conditions ease up

[PakPassionate]

Butt Gone........

[adi 101]

pakistan lose their third wicket as butt goes out

[tahaqureshi]

18.6 King to Salman Butt, FOUR, smashed over the covers and an expensive over for West Indies as the playing conditions ease up

THANK GOD!!!!

[zorawar]

Yasir definitely looked very jittery and low on confidence...

if you are under the chopping block every game and on top of that the bowling conditions are this good... Your confidence will be very low as a batsman...

In any case, poor innings by Yasir... whatever the case, the bottom line is he needs to be mentally tough and deal with the pressure that is on him to perform and not worry if it is justified or not...

Otherwise he can say bye bye to his career very soon...

[Pathan007]

shi8 man he gotta chance on 21 and didn't make a shi8 out of it.

[GamBiTT]

Zorawar:
On the RECORD: Taufeeq looked pathetic in all his recent outings .. NO doubt about it! Yes I had supported him! But I gave up defending him when clearly showed lack of competency consistently.

I am hoping you will learn soon too if this rut continues for Yasir!

[IMMY69]

someone should tell salman butt that he is playing a test match!

ridiculous shot to get out too..

[Pathan007]

19.6 Collymore to Salman Butt, OUT: drives a ball on the off with zero
foot movement and edges to Browne, a little strange as Butt
normall has good footwork

[tahaqureshi]

19.6 Collymore to Salman Butt, OUT: drives a ball on the off with zero foot movement and edges to Browne, a little strange as Butt normall has good footwork

??????

[Pathan007]

will pak be able to make 250at least?

[Nauman]

Looking at the way they are batting right now I hardly doubt it so much so for first series win in Caribean.

[the Great Khan]

careless shot..now we are under uneccessary pressure..a big score was there for butt..oh well inshallah we will still do well here..we can only mess things up by carelessness..1 big partnership and the windies will fall away!!..just need YK and asim to hit big scores with razzak and akmal chippin in..this aint over yet!!

[bilal]

will pak be able to make 250at least?If these 2 can get us upto 150, then we will need a 100+ partnership with Kamal, and Razzaq and Akmal to get responsible 30s we should get 300+,or even more if YK gets going

[tahaqureshi]

I put it down to a lack of guidance..

Out of the top 6...

Three are very volatile..Afridi, Yasir and Bazid (debut)...the absence of Inzi and even yoyo I think will have a big effect.

[PakPassionate]

68 more runs required to save follow on. Lets hope they do it. http://www.smilys.net/lachende_smilies/mdrbig.gif

[fair_play]

Bazid is a bit shaky in the beginning normally.

Hopefully he get his eye in, and stands firm after that.

[Officer Barbrady]

21.1 Collymore to Younis Khan, one run, short and he miscues a pull in
the air and it falls away from the mid-on fielder
A slip moved to 4th slip position


Bhai pull nahi aata tu kyun try kertay ho?

Little Inzi is off the mark.

[IMMY69]

I put it down to a lack of guidance..

Out of the top 6...

Three are very volatile..Afridi, Yasir and Bazid (debut)...the absence of Inzi and even yoyo I think will have a big effect.

I put it down to a combination of lack of technique and brains!!! what they have in terms of technique and talent they lose in terms of lack of grey material between their ears!

still..here is hoping that a couple of them get big scores and everyone down the order chips in...

[PakPassionate]

Bazid Hit a Superb 4 .....Shabashyyyyyyyyyy

[GamBiTT]

looking at the last shot Bazid played .. we may have a replacement for the likes of Yasir Hameed I think!!

[zorawar]

Gambitt:

ON THE RECORD: If we get ONE batsman who can open with Butt in Tests I am all for him.

Bazid is not a opener I think. Noddy has said the same many times as well.

[the Great Khan]

cmon Bazid..get stuck into the pies!!!(or pizza's in his case)..lol

[Nauman]

Well from the look of things Hameed aint much of opener either infact I am begening to have my doubts about his ability to bat.

[GamBiTT]

Yasir definitely looked very jittery and low on confidence...

if you are under the chopping block every game and on top of that the bowling conditions are this good... Your confidence will be very low as a batsman...

In any case, poor innings by Yasir... whatever the case, the bottom line is he needs to be mentally tough and deal with the pressure that is on him to perform and not worry if it is justified or not...

Otherwise he can say bye bye to his career very soon...

when toufeeq was brought back in the team and given his chance in the Mohali test... the same could be said about him that he was low in confidence .. had been shafted by the selectors etc..
FACT is simple .. both these guys have major flaws .. that come out after a while when bowlers start exploiting their weaknesses. Anyways .. i don't wan't an argument in this .. my last two cents on this!!!

The chances will be there for everyone who wants to grab it!! None have shown the hunger and capability YET!!!

[Officer Barbrady]

Gambitt:

ON THE RECORD: If we get ONE batsman who can open with Butt in Tests I am all for him.

Bazid is not a opener I think. Noddy has said the same many times as well.

This is it for Hameed. He has to get runs this series or else Bazid or Ashar/Farhat/Taufeeq will come in.

[the Great Khan]

i agree with gambitt..look at younis and kamal..they got their chances and have taken them...hameed hasnt and will soon regret it...if raza is brought in too and he takes his chance and bazid scores big too then its bye bye fisherman hameed!!

[GamBiTT]

I am quite amazed at how much YK has improved his technique that he is playing the seaming and moving deliveries with EASE !!! very impressive at the least... pre BW this guy was quite an UGLY sight to behold with a bat in his hand.

[the Great Khan]

looks like he's takin advice from all around him like Bw and Inzi!!

[the Great Khan]

4 from YK..bazid needs to play second fiddle here and settle in nicely..cmon younis!!

[tahaqureshi]

do you guys think we are playing too slow or is it fine for the moment?

[Monsee]

they're saying edwards might have a back injury

Best news in a while

>:) ;)+ \A/ B/” \:@/ =B) :!5

what a sick attitude towards others ..

Aik to har koi yahan Maulvi kuun ban jaata hai...learn to take the comments on a forumn with a pinch of salt or learn to relax a bit

Those words were uttered in the context of cricket and the game...do I even know Edwards to hold a grudge or have ill feelings towards him X)

"Sense of Humor" rings a bell Mr. G. :P

[the Great Khan]

almost at 4 an over which is good for test matches..no need to take any risks..plenty of time..we need to bat all day today, get a big enough lead then blow the windies away on 4th and 5th day!!

[Officer Barbrady]

do you guys think we are playing too slow or is it fine for the moment?
It's a test match..

[kasoo10]

How close was the appeal?

[whyhkk]

Very good point Marooned

[Nauman]

Another gone, looks like all on the shoulders of YK and AK.

[Pathan007]

bazid played like a shi8 man. no foot work and fishing through off side PATHETIC to say the least

[PakPassionate]

Best player of Pakistan team on the creace now :)

Go Asim Go

[zorawar]

Yasir definitely looked very jittery and low on confidence...

if you are under the chopping block every game and on top of that the bowling conditions are this good... Your confidence will be very low as a batsman...

In any case, poor innings by Yasir... whatever the case, the bottom line is he needs to be mentally tough and deal with the pressure that is on him to perform and not worry if it is justified or not...

Otherwise he can say bye bye to his career very soon...

when toufeeq was brought back in the team and given his chance in the Mohali test... the same could be said about him that he was low in confidence .. had been shafted by the selectors etc..
FACT is simple .. both these guys have major flaws .. that come out after a while when bowlers start exploiting their weaknesses. Anyways .. i don't wan't an argument in this .. my last two cents on this!!!

The chances will be there for everyone who wants to grab it!! None have shown the hunger and capability YET!!!


Yup thass why I said Yasir needs to perform no matter whatever pressure etc. is on him... no excuses!

But the problem is where is that opener who can partner with Butt???... until we stumble upon somebody... we need to give Yasir a continued run....

If Yasir fails after given a fair chance and we cannot find a new batsman.. I would try Razzaq at open in Tests :) To me he is a much better choice than Afridi to open in Tests.

Also I fail to see why Malik is not tried as opener when we already have Younus settled at #3 and Asim Kamal at #6. Perhaps that is the next step to do now.

It would be ideal for us if Malik and Butt become our test and ODI openers and then Malik drops to #3 in ODI situations when Afridi is opening.

[ziggy]

Bangladesh or doing better against England in their 2nd inn than Pak in their 1st inn, does that mean WI are better team than England or Bangladesh are a better team than Pak?

[the true passionist]

the Carabian Dream?????
frist series win??

[PakPassionate]

How many overs left befor lunch ?

[Nauman]

They should be heading off any moment now

[tahaqureshi]

LUNCH!

[shan]

the Carabian Dream?????
frist series win??

forgot about winning and think about draw now

yohana should have player after all he's father is just ill not died

[fair_play]

These two need to get through lunch now.

Bazid missed his chance there. He needed to show that he was a man for the occassion.

Now Younis and Kamal have a real fight on their hands.

[mooz]

can't believe there was talk of Afridi getting a century before lunch, when our whole team failed to put up a 100 run in that time period.

[zorawar]

Shan bhai... c'mon man ... have some "insaaniyat"


Rana did not go back when his father passed away as his mother said that he won't be able to get there in time even for funeral so what is the use... rather play for your country.

Youhana's father is seriously sick so it would make a difference if he can be by his bedside and see and talk to him...

[shan]

Shan bhai... c'mon man ... have some "insaaniyat"


Rana did not go back when his father passed away as his mother said that he won't be able to get there in time even for funeral so what is the use... rather play for your country.

Youhana's father is seriously sick so it would make a difference if he can be by his bedside and see and talk to him...

well rana father passes away and he still played for country because he know that he is the only good bowler left in the side

if inzamam was playing then he should have gone but not now

[Nauman]

Shan yar father is always more important then a game cant belive you would put more importance on a simple game of cricket then someone's life, his father wanted to see his son so youhanna went.

[tahaqureshi]

test matches will come again and again...

father's wont

[badxhah]

we have jus made WI side look like the side frm the 80s

but i guess we do that to all the teams.

[zorawar]

test matches will come again and again...

father's wont


:D> ;)+

[Officer Barbrady]

well rana father passes away and he still played for country because he know that he is the only good bowler left in the side

if inzamam was playing then he should have gone but not now

Why? Are we fighting a jang out there? Nonsense. Family comes first and credit to YY for deciding to go back when he had to. Far more important than a game of cricket.

[badxhah]

one shud not be comparing a FAther wid a Cricket Match or sport.If YoYO father is sick he shuld be beside him not playing Cricket.

[tahaqureshi]

Another point..Rana's father DIED, and he wouldn't have made it in time for the burial...

Yoyo's father on the other hand is NOT dead yet, hence he is gong back..

Just ask Rana's heart how much he would have wanted to be with his father in his last moments rather than play cricket...

[Hash]

very poor session for Pakistan. These two now need to get a big partnership going. Asim Kamal has done it in the past......perhaps not always when we have really needed him to. Now is the chance for him to do that.

We are still not out of this game by any means. Keep the faith.

[shan]

ok i am sorry

now talk about cricket

[zorawar]

So lets see the dismissals so far:

AFRIDI
4.3 Edwards to Shahid Afridi, OUT: Superb ball, full and late outswing, squared Afridi who did not seem to have the technique to handle such a ball, edged to third slip and Devon Smith holds a good catch low

YASIR
12.3 Edwards to Yasir Hameed, OUT: Sooner or later it seemed certain, ball came in and Hameed caught at the crease, tried a prod and inside edges onto off stump

SALMAN
14.1 King to Salman Butt, one run, dropped! A casual drive more of a swish and ball edged to Sarwan and dives in front of Lara at first slip and dropped it Was an easy catch headed into Lara's midriff

19.6 Collymore to Salman Butt, OUT: drives a ball on the off with zero foot movement and edges to Browne, a little strange as Butt normally has good footwork

BAZID
27.6 Collymore to Bazid Khan, OUT: another ball in the off stump slot, Bazid plays outside it and its a thin inside edge to 'keeper Browne as Pakistan's troubles continue with a wicket before lunch


Do we need to hire a batting coach now in addition to a bowling coach??

[Hash]

Shan's comments are so pathetic they don't warrant a responce.

God forbid if Shan's father was seriously ill then maybe he would have a different perspective than hitting a ball with a stick.

[tahaqureshi]

This is very disheartening performance thus far....I haven't lost hope but we have to ponder as to WHY this has happened.

[Farhad]

Well! I hope I don't jinx this one too. :D

[Officer Barbrady]

Not sure how much a batting coach will be able to change techniques of these players at this late stage.

I think he can but YK is the key.

[karachiite]

They both need a big partnership. The edwards spell after lunch would hold the key. Never seen kamal play against real pace so it would be interesting to see how he copes.

[Hash]

This session is the key. If we win this session then we are back in the game.

[the true passionist]

This session is the key. If we win this session then we are back in the game.
otherwise!!!
ok i'll wait...

[deviously~fading~away]

I agree zorawar bhai each dismissal was disappointing to say the least! But afridi getting out at the 3rd ball of the day was the worse! Afridi had no idea how to play Edwards at all!!! At 96-4 we need patnerships. Razzaq and kamal will provide more batting but i have a felling we will see rana ball to Gayle today....I hope i am wrong. I think we need to get atleast 200 more runs if we want to win this match

[Hash]

yes, 300 is a minimum. If we get to 300 the Windies have a tendancy to collapse in their second innings so we will have a decent chance. Their bowlers are less effective in the 2nd innings as well.

[tahaqureshi]

2 of them are young....

[Hash]

since I am no longer watching could people please tell me what is going on? Are they back on?

[tahaqureshi]

yea they are back

[Faisal Akhtar]

Farhad, uv started a thread on YK, Butt and Bazid prior to this one...... two of them are out..... hmmmm :)? ......... i suggest u save ur threads for the Windian batsman in the 2nd inn.

[Usman]

Hi everyone, Pakistan in some trouble and players are back at the crease. Inshalla we wil get out of this situation. ;)+

[tahaqureshi]

no run in last 3.2 overs

[whyhkk]

Kamal out
we need help

[Hash]

Asim Kamal is out

[Hash]

Farhad......no more threads. Go to sleep.

[alghazzali]

YEH go 2 sleep

[Usman]

And we have lost!!!

[alghazzali]

typical 5 wickets down, 2 recognised batsmenin Akmal and Razzaq and he sasys weve lost

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

cmmon farhad - give it a break man!

[Hash]

not to mention that they still have to bowl us out again!


We have not lost by any means!


Nonsense talk!

Please no more Jinxs!

[Officer Barbrady]

:))) (at the comments not asim....)

[Farhad]

Haha! Who wants to start one on Razzak now? Or shall I do the honors?

[Hash]

lol

[Usman]

Sorry, got a bit angry

[alghazzali]

need these 2 stay 4 the rest of the day

[Hash]

4!!!!!!!!!


100 up for Pakistan!!!!!!!!

\A/ \A/ \A/ \A/ \A/ \A/ B/” B/” B/” B/” B/” =B) =B) =B) =B) =B) :)>

[tahaqureshi]

and the 100 is up!!!!!!!

who says we've lost?

[shabbu1]

we've lost...YK just gone

[alghazzali]

lol yeh ill second that this time

[Hash]

Younis Khan out!


This is becoming ridiculous!


The old traditional Pakistan batting collapse. Has not happened for a while. Thought we had passed that stage of having one collapse every 6 or 7 innings but ah well.

[mooz]

This is the kind of situation where Moin Khan shone several times.

[Usman]

Younis gone!

[hasan316]

well friends I cant waite to watch Lara hit another century so WI should fold PAK inning in about 10 overs. :** go Lara :**

[Usman]

4 from the Razzlar

[tahaqureshi]

maybe kamran and razzaq can do something? but i think thats being too optimistic.

are we even going to pass the follow on target??

[Blistering Barnacle]

Just shows how important Inzi and Youhana are to this batting lineup. Losing two or three quick wickets and having a rescue partnership from Youhana and Inzi is almost the norm.

Our young batsmen haven't showed much today.

[Jedi Knight]

Can we now avoid the follow on?

[Hash]

not only will we avoid the follow on. Just watch. We will win this test.

[Usman]

Did anyone know that Fidell Edwards is half brother of Pedro Collins, hense Lara spotting him and getting him selected

[tahaqureshi]

seriously.........what is the follow on target?

[Hash]

Did anyone know that Fidell Edwards is half brother of Pedro Collins, hense Lara spotting him and getting him selected

no I did not know that.

[Usman]

Cricinfo:
Razzaq and Kamran played a marvelous Innings in India and their
efforts helped Pakistan to draw first test in India


Cricinfo giving us some hope!

[Hash]

another 36 runs to avoid the follow on

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

reminiscent of india? these two at the crease! i am glad windies dont have a proper spinner

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

there u go farhad- am sharing the burden with you

[hasan316]

Hash i know we can win this test match in your dreams. keep dreaming people. just sit back and watch Lara :/| us.

[tahaqureshi]

I think they have the ability to....but doesn't seem like the team on the whole is in the mood to win...

[Big Daddy]

i think he will
akmal is my last hope in the fantasy team

[tahaqureshi]

I wish I was in the team..I would have batted so well

:))) :))) :)))

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

bd with his alterior motives - i have akmal too but i dont care - i just wanna see us atleast try to equal the windies score - we need another 230

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

damn it - another one down - i aint starting another thread but we need some shots from razzaq

[PakPassionate]

This is the time for Rana to show that he can be a allrounder!!

[tahaqureshi]

I think the follow on WILL be enforced...Kamran goes!

[Farhad]

There goes Gilchrist of Pak cricket to a most irresponsible shot! hopefully he will learn from this.

Boy! Lara's runs look huge now.

[Hash]

this is so ridiculous

[PakPassionate]

33 more runs to avoid Follow On

[alghazzali]

This is like England - Banglasdesh, guess whos Bangladesh

[tahaqureshi]

will we make it!!!!!!??????

this is so sad...we are in suspense over whether we will make the follow-on!!!!!!!That too against a team that has only won 5 tests in the past 50!!!!

how hard can a team really fall?

[Hash]

except Bangladesh didn't bowl England out for 345.

Nor were they missing their two best batsman and have a depleted bowling attack.

So not really like England vs Bangladesh at all, actually.

[Usman]

This just shows how reliant we are in Inzi and Yoyo. We criticize them on small things all the time but the honest truth is that the Pakistan team is nothing without them.

[the true passionist]

delete the thread now!

[tahaqureshi]

This just shows how reliant we are in Inzi and Yoyo. We criticize them on small things all the time but the honest truth is that the Pakistan team is nothing without them.

Quote of the week for me !!!

[shoaib]

well...amazing really. Windies are bottom of the heap in test cricket and we make em look like world beaters.

Should have known...whenever someone stands in for the captain they usually screw up.. look at all international teams where someone has stood in for the captain, they almost always end up losing.

YK...better to keep it shut mate b4 the match.

[tahaqureshi]

I dont think its his fault we are in this position!!!!!!!

he stayed there long enough, and when nobody else seemed to care, he gave up hope..

[whyhkk]

Yea I agree with taha YK stayed and was batting well

[Officer Barbrady]

I dont think its his fault we are in this position!!!!!!!

he stayed there long enough, and when nobody else seemed to care, he gave up hope..

That is no logic! Akmal and Razzak were still there. He played a poor shot as simple as that. No excuses.

[Amir]

Jus tshows how muchw e need Inzi, this is pathetic, but I had a feeling Widnies will do well. They usually do decent in the first test, we just must pray for a second innings collapse, similar to Jamiaca(Harmison 7-12). It will take some miracle bowling to win this match.

if windies stay in, we are gonna lose, and lose a golden opportunity to win our first series in windies.

[the true passionist]

I dont think its his fault we are in this position!!!!!!!

he stayed there long enough, and when nobody else seemed to care, he gave up hope..

that's not an excuse for a debutant captain....
he should have proved himself....

he missed a simmilar pull earlier..

[the true passionist]

razak gone...stupid descision....going down the leg side

[octavian]

W T F .. was that ??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the bowler didnt even appeal and Shepherd lifetd his finger ?????????

[Hash]

Shephers back to his best

[shabbu1]

stupid fat old mo-fo does it again

[Officer Barbrady]

shepard ke kami reh gaye the. When does he die ? oops sorry retire?

[Amir]

We are screwed, we will be lucky to save follow on.

[whyhkk]

According to commentators it was out

[Usman]

Razzaq gone!

[Officer Barbrady]

Cricinfo says it was an inside edge? Can anyone confirm?

[Usman]

how much more do we need to avoid the follow on?

[octavian]

yaar marooned , ball was missing leg, and laso Edwards didnt even appeal !!!!!!!!!

it was just an oooh from slip cordon and keeper and shepherd lifted his finger.

[the true passionist]

not edged but certainly going down...

as for the comentators....they have the only chance to celebrate...even hitting the pad is gr8

[the true passionist]

how many more needed to avoid follow on?

[Rob H]

how many more needed to avoid follow on?
20 something