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W63L35
24th May 2008, 02:52
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Brief Translation:
Lawson's future with Pak team has a big question mark right now.It is highly likely PCB wants to let Lawson go. Lawson's delayed return from 1 month vacation is also confirming the rumors that Lawson and PCB may part their ways very soon.

At the inauguration of new Sanghar Stadium, the rumor going around was the PCB has already told LAwson not to come back. PCB is not confirming the rumor but it is not DENYING it either. Cricket circles are questioning the delays in announcing the Pak team for tournament in Bangladesh. It may be noted that PCB official and Ex-cricketer Muddasar Nazar has complained to PCB about Lawson in the past.

Jang has learned from very reliable sources that PCB is seriously considering Wasim Akram's name as the coach of Pak team!

Milroastnescafe
24th May 2008, 03:01
Good news. He's one of my favourite cricket commentators.

the true passionist
24th May 2008, 03:03
This is radical but lets wait and see what happens. Two possible big news for Pakistan Cricket.

1 - Lawson being fired.
2 - The replacement being none other than Wasim Akram.

161
24th May 2008, 03:03
meaningless ...

the real villains are malik and the selectors.

lawson was merely a puppet.

Mercenary
24th May 2008, 03:07
I've never been impressed by Lawson and although initially I didnt think Wasim would be a good idea as coach. I'm beginning to think he's not such a bad choice.

Wasim as a great eye for talent, would make our bowlers awesome and is very tough

khan-92
24th May 2008, 03:19
good riddance he was just a money grabber i hope wasim akram becomes the coach will do a great job.

W63L35
24th May 2008, 03:24
meaningless ...

the real villains are malik and the selectors.

lawson was merely a puppet.
What about the guy who appointed Malik and the selectors?

OZGOD
24th May 2008, 03:45
So the revolving door continues?

jackal786
24th May 2008, 03:46
How about Inzi :P

Asim2Good
24th May 2008, 03:57
seems like masala news to me, read few days agon on another newspaper that Lawson is on holidays till May 30th and team ll be announced after he returns from his holidays

W63L35
24th May 2008, 04:01
seems like masala news to me, read few days agon on another newspaper that Lawson is on holidays till May 30th and team ll be announced after he returns from his holidays

Just count the number of times word "rumor" is used in the article.

Foozee
24th May 2008, 04:37
what a load of rubbish...as much as i love wasim... he has a ego too and would be in fights with players...plus jang isnt reliable source

161
24th May 2008, 04:50
What about the guy who appointed Malik and the selectors?



well unfortunately ... he won't fire himself.

india_fan
24th May 2008, 04:51
Great! Times of India have competitors in Jung :D

Whenever TOI prints articles that contains "from an XXX official said this"; it is so fckin wrong.

How can you guys blame Lawson for Pak's dismal performance(s) ? There is only so much a coach could do. John Buchanan under whose coaching Aus won 3 WC and on the other hand Kolkata knight riders have crashed out of the inaugural IPL.

Bottom line is players have to perform on the cricket field; coach cannot do anything while the game is on..he can only evaluate the match performance and address players' weakness/strength.

161
24th May 2008, 04:58
How can you guys blame Lawson for Pak's dismal performance(s) ? .


We aren't blaming him ... it's Naseem Ashraf AKA bakwaas master who is.

Naseem first used Shoaib as a scapegoat for our loss in India and then tried to blame Lawson when he had almost no control over the team.

The real problem lies with selectors who can't get the team right ... and a captain who is incompetent.

PlanetPakistan
24th May 2008, 05:35
We aren't blaming him ... it's Naseem Ashraf AKA bakwaas master who is.

Naseem first used Shoaib as a scapegoat for our loss in India and then tried to blame Lawson when he had almost no control over the team.

The real problem lies with selectors who can't get the team right ... and a captain who is incompetent.
One of his interviews was very interesting.

In an attempt to defend Malik he mentioned how PAK could have easily won the ODI series against SA and also the Delhi test match had the batting not collapsed. Then literally a couple of minutes later he started bashing the guy who was PAK's best player in BOTH of these 2 games and didn't say a word about Shoaib's performance which helped PAK to gain ascendancy.

Savak
24th May 2008, 05:49
As much as i would like to back myself but i was wrong about Lawson beeing the perfect candidate for the job. As time went on it became clear he was not only wrong for the post but he was incompetent, timid and clearly could not contribute anything to our team. He has not made a single improvement to our squad, all he has tried to do was to go behind our players backs and secretly tell the PCB he just didnt want these players in the team. I think Dave Whatmore would certainly have been done something atleast.

Lawson despite being a bowler himself has not done anything special with the bowlers. I didnt see him lasting after the expiry of his contract in Dec 2009. Lawson didnt look passionate about his job either. But it will be good to hear his side of the story about his Pakistan experience.

Megadeth
24th May 2008, 06:05
there's really no excuse for firing lawson...isn't Pak going thru an incredible winning streak right now..;-)

DM
24th May 2008, 06:12
This is good news

pakistani pride
24th May 2008, 06:33
i hope this is actually true and we hire a coach with some guts !

muhammad saad
24th May 2008, 07:29
Well Jang here have quite a repu ,So I have a feeling that this isnt entirely a rumor.(Well I hope that it is true :D)

WAsim Bhai Coaching wat else can I dream??????????????????????????????????????

Sufian84
24th May 2008, 07:35
i believe it when i see it

the Great Khan
24th May 2008, 07:54
so match fixing will return??
Seriously though lawson isn't the problem its not even the selectors, its malik thats the problem..Pakistan need a strong captain not a weak incompetent kukkar who has self esteem issues cos he's not good enough

MIG
24th May 2008, 08:03
Great! Times of India have competitors in Jung :D

Whenever TOI prints articles that contains "from an XXX official said this"; it is so fckin wrong.

How can you guys blame Lawson for Pak's dismal performance(s) ? There is only so much a coach could do. John Buchanan under whose coaching Aus won 3 WC and on the other hand Kolkata knight riders have crashed out of the inaugural IPL.

Bottom line is players have to perform on the cricket field; coach cannot do anything while the game is on..he can only evaluate the match performance and address players' weakness/strength.

Yaar - pls watch your language on the forums here - just a friendly reminder.

Luton Bad Boy
24th May 2008, 08:11
so match fixing will return??
Seriously though lawson isn't the problem its not even the selectors, its malik thats the problem..Pakistan need a strong captain not a weak incompetent kukkar who has self esteem issues cos he's not good enough

Hopefully the kukkar follows suit, or deems it fit to resign in an honourable way, the reason why Pakistan are dismal are because of:

- Poor selection
- Poor man-management
- Poor administration (DNA)

Getting rid of Lawson is papering over obvious cracks that could turn into craters that will in due course finish Pakistan cricket..

MIG
24th May 2008, 08:20
Normal service resumes - look for our problems in the wrong places.

The problem isnt the captain - its the quality of players. Malik is also another player. If he is of sub standard quality - dump him. Just dont select a captain and then make him play whatever the reason.

Pakistani batting is pathetic to say the least - we are unable to post scores above 350 in test matches - there are serious technique issues at hand - the batsmen need technical help - put them in nets with specialists etc - solve that problem.

surfer
24th May 2008, 08:28
PCB is a 24 hours on going circus.

lollol
24th May 2008, 08:36
Masala news really. Wasim is a commentator (and has a contract?), and he said several times he wasnt sure if he wanted to coach pakistan.

100% masala

Hash
24th May 2008, 08:41
just typical Pakistani journalism this. Absolute tosh.

Lawson will see out his contract at the very least.

Monsee
24th May 2008, 08:47
Change the coach, change the captain, change the PCB...change change change!

All these changes will ensure is to set up the new replacements for 'Failure'...be it Shiri Wasim Paandiyaay Maharaaj or Waqar The Axxellent Room Builder or Mr. action Changer Extraordinaire!

We need to change the system from the grass roots level...only then any other changes will matter at all.


Our fortunes will change the day when we will get youngsters who:

- As an opener are willing to play straight as an arrow (at the bginning of their innings) unlike swipe everything to leg side (like one up coming opener)

- As a batsman who are not willing to throw their wicket away by idiotic running (Butt)

- As a batsman who are willing to learn from their mistakes and not repeat the same mistakes again and again (unlike Butt, Yasir Hameed, Farhat, Hafeez etc.)

- As a batsman who are willing not to throw their wicket when they plays out an over or two without scoring a run

- As a batsman/bowler do know they have to field the ball and will need to be able to look athletic on the field unlike Kaneria etc.

- As a bowler/Batsman do take care of their fitness on their own because they know it will matter in the long run and stop doing stupid things like smoking (unlike Asif, Kaneria, Shoaib etc.)

- As a bowler are able to control the new ball unlike any XYZ bowler of our team

- As a bowler do know that bowling a yorker in every other over makes up for a great chance to get a wicket (unlike Asif)

- As a bowler do know the meaning of a run up and not just run from the boundary because he is a Phaast bowler (unlike you know who)

- As a bowler take the initiative to learn new tricks, improve their weaknesses, build up on their strengths, and look for guidance from past stars rather than being served the same guidance in a platter automatically (unlike any XYZ bowler)

- As a player know their is no 'I' in the team and one's performance means nothing if the team keeps loosing (unlike a few pre-madonnas in our team)

- As a player know that no matter how small or insignificant their contribution is which resulted in a win...matters more to all fans/supporters than creating stupid speed record, scoring mountains of runs under favorable scenarios etc. etc.

I can go on and on but what is the purpose?

Sheikh
24th May 2008, 08:48
Yeah definitely masala. At the same time, Dawn has this to say:


Malik, Lawson’s absence to delay team announcement: Triangular ODI series in BD


KARACHI, May 23: Pakistan will delay announcement of their squad for next month’s triangular One-day International series in Bangladesh, also involving India, till the return of captain Shoaib Malik and coach Geoff Lawson to the country.

Malik is playing for Delhi Daredevils in the Indian Premier League which ends on June 1 while Lawson is due to return on June 2 after a month-long break at home in Australia.

If Delhi do not qualify for the semifinals, Malik can return next week itself.

“We have started discussions on the composition of the side but we have also asked the board to let us know about the fitness position of a few players including pacer Mohammad Asif,” chief selector Salahuddin Ahmed told reporters on Friday.

Asif has injured his finger webbings while playing for Delhi Daredevils in the IPL but the board has said his injury was not serious and not related to his chronic elbow problem that kept him out of action for six months since October last.

Salahuddin said the selectors would consider Asif only after he is cleared by the board and its medical panel. India are due to announce their squad for the tri-series on May 30 while Bangladesh have also begun their preparations.

The chief selector said he didn’t think there would be enough time left for the selected players to attend any long training camp.

He felt the blooding of several young players in recent one-day series at home against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh had allowed the selectors to build up the bench strength.

“Some good prospects came to the fore in those series and they will be considered for future assignments,” he stated.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/05/24/spt1.htm

pakistani pride
24th May 2008, 08:52
You are right Monsee and thats the job of Lawson ! but he did not achieve 1 of them so far . . .

Monsee
24th May 2008, 09:00
You are right Monsee and thats the job of Lawson ! but he did not achieve 1 of them so far . . .


How do we know whether he was given the backing by team members, management, captain, PCB etc. to make any changes...he always looked like a 'Lamb for the Slaughter' from day one!

I was in favor of Mr. Whatmore...with his winning back ground and tough mentality, he would have kicked out a few 'Lazy Bums' from the team by now!

But, alas, our players are nothing but cowards who wanted to have a 'Yes Man' as coach and they did deserve Lawson then...why cry about his no-performance now?

pakistani pride
24th May 2008, 09:36
Well then Lawson has no self respect and then what is he doing there in the first place ?

Oxy
24th May 2008, 09:52
Player power is what got Lawson the job in the 1st place.

Perhaps its them who are influencing things at the moment.....

Saj
24th May 2008, 10:03
As far as I am concerned it doesnt matter who the coach of the Pakistan team is, we could have anyone and it wouldnt really make that much difference.

We are going through a phase where we are a rather average test team in transition. The batting is frail, the captain is inexperienced and the bowling is injury prone.

india_fan
24th May 2008, 11:19
Yaar - pls watch your language on the forums here - just a friendly reminder.

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Indiafan
24th May 2008, 12:40
maaf kardo admin saheb :25:

Sadda user name kharabh kar ditta :))

Legendary_Sage
24th May 2008, 12:48
lets see shoaib as next coach replacing lawson cuz he can't remain fit so he can become coach of pakistan team after giving coaching to Ishant sharma.. lol
but considering his links in politics he can be the next coach of pak team.

Mohsin
24th May 2008, 13:55
Player power is what got Lawson the job in the 1st place.

Perhaps its them who are influencing things at the moment.....

Exactly! It was player power which got Lawson, that’s the main reason for why Watmore wasn't chosen. During the selection process i remember reports that players were being given a chance to have a say on the coach (either Lawson or Watmore) with more (if not all) players choosing Lawson because of the laid back attitude compared to that of Watmore. They were scared that Watmore may actually make them work for their place in the team!!

But if Wasim does get chosen, i'll be sooooooo happy he'll actually instil that fighting Pakistani spirit in the team, and maybe give Malik and few captaincy tips!

Zeenix
24th May 2008, 14:01
Well Pakistan cricket has hit rock bottom and the only good thing about hitting rock bottom is that the only way to go is to go up. So for a change, i would prefer any change, so that things start working

Megadeth
24th May 2008, 14:21
Well Pakistan cricket has hit rock bottom and the only good thing about hitting rock bottom is that the only way to go is to go up. So for a change, i would prefer any change, so that things start working


Unless DNA is planning to start "Underground exploration"...who knows..he might strike oil... :13:

Savak
24th May 2008, 16:34
Lawson may not return to Pakistan: Reports
Saturday, 24 May , 2008, 20:32


Karachi: Coach Geoff Lawson may not return to Pakistan to resume his coaching assignment with the national cricket team, local media reported on Saturday.

It said people in the Pakistan cricket set-up were not happy with the performance or commitment of Lawson who was appointed as coach last August after the tragic death of Bob Woolmer during the 2007 World Cup in Jamaica.

The reports said there were rumblings within the cricket circle against Lawson, who is currently on vacation in Australia, but there was no immediate confirmation that he would not be returning to Pakistan.

A top PCB official, however, maintained that Lawson was still the coach. "No, he is very much the coach and has a two year contract with us. It is not correct that he has problems with his job or we want him out," an official of the Board said on condition of anonymity.

He said while it was true that some people were not satisfied with Lawson's performance, the board's policy was clear it would give ample time to the Australian to reach long term targets.

"This is an important year for Pakistan cricket with two major tournaments like the Asia Cup and Champions Trophy and also India coming over for a Test series. So basically it will also be a test for the team and its coach," he said.

Sources said that the Director of the National cricket academy, Mudassar Nazar and his panel of coaches had not given very flattering feedback about Lawson to the board and felt he was not as committed or passionate about his work as Woolmer.

One source said Nazar and even the selectors were not happy with Lawson's attitude nor his commitment level or involvement with coaching programmes. "Most of the time when he is not with the Pakistan team he is playing golf while stationed at the National Academy and already twice since being appointed coach he has gone on long vacations. Neither has there been any visible improvement in the team," the source said.

Lawson had much publicised differences with the national selectors and the Chairman of the board had to intervene to set things right and declare a truce between the two parties.

But sources said that Lawson at presently definitely had the full support of captain, Shoaib Malik and manager Talat Ali.

Malik who is in the Indian Premier League returns home on June 1 while Lawson is due to return on the 30th of this month after which the selectors will sit down to announce the squad for the tri-series in Bangladesh and shortlist players for the Asia Cup being held from June 24.

link: http://sify.com/sports/fullstory.php?id=14680557

Well it is true he hasnt been given full authority on selection matters, but the fact is he has not made any difference to the team at all. At the moment my basic worries appear to be true that he doesnt know how to go about coaching, he hasnt made any difference to the bowlers, they are getting worse. But it is even more unacceptable if he is not passionate or least concerned about his duties.

161
24th May 2008, 17:24
"Most of the time when he is not with the Pakistan team he is playing golf while stationed at the National Academy and already twice since being appointed coach he has gone on long vacations. Neither has there been any visible improvement in the team," the source said.


I think many of us were expecting a Greg Chappell like figure who would take Pak cricket by storm and straighten us out.

In the end we got the exact opposite.

Mercenary
24th May 2008, 17:36
Darn looks like this isn't true. I'd love to see Malik dropped for the next series and Lawson fired as coach.

Wasim as the new coach is a great idea whilst having Afridi as his captain would make the Pakistan team either great or even worse than it is now...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/Merc26/wasimafridi.jpg

Amjid Javed
24th May 2008, 17:58
Lawson hasnt really been given much of a run as a coach. Secondly akram was a great player but his credentials as a coach?

Nothing ever surprises me with PCB if this is true.

Big Mac
24th May 2008, 18:09
Good news. He's one of my favourite cricket commentators.

Not sure if that's a good reason to appoint someone as coach though ;-)

161
24th May 2008, 18:10
Lawson hasnt really been given much of a run as a coach. Secondly akram was a great player but his credentials as a coach?

Nothing ever surprises me with PCB if this is true.


Amjid, don't you know .. Wasim has the best credentials to be hired by the PCB ... namely kissing up to Naseem Ashraf in recent times.

Consider also the fact that Wasim, not Waqar was selected to run the bowlers camp (despite Waqar's previous impressive performance as bowling coach).

Manish26
24th May 2008, 18:26
We aren't blaming him ... it's Naseem Ashraf AKA bakwaas master who is.

Naseem first used Shoaib as a scapegoat for our loss in India and then tried to blame Lawson when he had almost no control over the team.

The real problem lies with selectors who can't get the team right ... and a captain who is incompetent.

Please do not make an angel out of this self destructive cricketer who is neither good for himself or his team.What does he need to do next??Commit a murder and pretty sure there will be fans supporting the idea that it is a conspiracy to defame the great legend
Why is he considered a legend, and in what manner has he contributed to the game of cricket in Pakistan domestically or internationally???

Qelic
24th May 2008, 22:56
wasim gets back ,

bowling goes up

batting goes down

match fixing goes up

pakistans conventional aggression comes again

trundlers go out

pacers comes in

McBoom
24th May 2008, 23:03
I don't want Wasim to be in any influential position in PCB, his shady past is what makes me skeptic.
Bowling coach for up & coming pacers - fine.
National coach - Lack of experience in coaching & links with match fixers.

the true passionist
24th May 2008, 23:07
Amjid, don't you know .. Wasim has the best credentials to be hired by the PCB ... namely kissing up to Naseem Ashraf in recent times.

Consider also the fact that Wasim, not Waqar was selected to run the bowlers camp (despite Waqar's previous impressive performance as bowling coach).

This is one of the most insane comments i have read on PP recently. Usually Wasim is blamed for not helping out and now that he is conducting a bowling camp, its because of "kissing up to Naseem Ashraf".

Wasim was a great bowler, and we should be glad that he is around to help the youngsters. As far as Younis not doing that we obviously know that there are difference between him and the PCB managment.

I have always read that Wasim was too independent thinking guy to get a position at PCB(to avoid confrontation) but never read about Wasim "kissing up".

161
24th May 2008, 23:12
This is one of the most insane comments i have read on PP recently. Usually Wasim is blamed for not helping out and now that he is conducting a bowling camp, its because of "kissing up to Naseem Ashraf".


Considering the guy in your avatar I wasn't expecting an impartial view from you :P

Regardless, has Wasim not made recent comments in the press supporting Dr. Lotta's antics ?

Do you not think that Waqar was far more qualified to be running this bowling camp ?

161
24th May 2008, 23:16
I don't want Wasim to be in any influential position in PCB, his shady past is what makes me skeptic.
Bowling coach for up & coming pacers - fine.
National coach - Lack of experience in coaching & links with match fixers.





I'd prefer someone like Waqar or Rashid Latif to take over as coach.

McBoom
24th May 2008, 23:31
I'd prefer someone like Waqar or Rashid Latif to take over as coach.I think Rashid is too much of a perfectionist too work under the corrupt hierarchy of PCB. Sad thing about Waqar was that he had the best interest of the bowlers in mind and was willing to work but got fired and Mushy was appointed. :O

the true passionist
25th May 2008, 05:27
Considering the guy in your avatar I wasn't expecting an impartial view from you :P


Well i can say the same when you are arguing in favor of Akhtar.



Regardless, has Wasim not made recent comments in the press supporting Dr. Lotta's antics ?

Do you not think that Waqar was far more qualified to be running this bowling camp ?


I have not noticed a case where Wasim has gone out of the way to support DNA. Can you direct me to a few?

I agree, Waqar would be an excellent choice for a bowling camp but we all know that there are difference between Waqar and PCB management which is preventing that. That does not mean that other experienced players should not be used for the purpose.

Besides Wasim himself was a great bowler and has a lot to offer to the young cricketers, even though he may not the be best choice as the coach of the national team. And Wasim has helped a lot of young bowlers in the past and is a good resource as a talent spotter. This is sufficient enough to make Wasim a suitable candidate to conduct a camp.

MalikBrother
25th May 2008, 05:40
Picking any Pakistani coach is also destruction for Pakistan cricket. History repeat itself. Too bad, we are stuck with foreign coach. Pakistan never needed a coach in first place, but except the bowling coach, might make different to our recent bowlers. Take Waqar or Wasim. Oh Boy ! How good they are Ha ! :D

Mohsin
26th May 2008, 16:39
Wasim up for it!!

LAHORE, May 26 (APP): Former Pakistan cricket captain Wasim Akram said on Monday if he was offered to coach Pakistani team he will consider it.

“Coaching Pakistan is a great pride, it is some thing returning back to cricket which gave me so much “,he told reporters on the opening day of Specialized Coaching Camp for fast bowlers being attended by 16 upcoming bowlers at Gadaffi stadium.

Former Test Captain Wasim Akram along with NCA chief coach, Mudassar Nazar and coach Aaqib Javed are supervising the 7-day long activity aimed at polishing the talent of young bowlers.

He said he is busy with his commitments at TV but definitely he would consider the offer if Pakistan cricket Board is serious to hire his services. “ But I am already serving cricket as I always there to take on short coaching assignments the way I am doing now “,he said.

He was of the view that Pakistan’s foreign coach from Australia Geoff Lawson should join the camp for the build up of the team as soon as possible after completing his vacations in his home town.

“I think coach should be there when the camp starts and he must be there to supervise the training “,he said when asked Laswon might be reaching late to join the camp for the training camp of the team for a tri-nation tournament in Bangladesh from June 8.

If offered I will consider coaching Pak team, Wasim Akram (http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa=t&ct=uk/0-0&fp=483a146bbfcc940f&ei=4eY6SLDTNpOEQq2iha8J&url=http%3A//www.app.com.pk/en_/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26i d%3D39420%26Itemid%3D1&cid=0&usg=AFrqEzf33aQQapoajcePEf-XBb92DZfX3g)