India to oppose Zimbabwe's expulsion from ICC

[speed_thrills]

The BCCI will oppose Zimbabwe's expulsion from the International Cricket Council at the ICC annual meeting in Dubai next week, a decision that would put the Indian Board on collision course with its counterparts in South Africa and England.

A 'Daily Telegraph' report quoted an unnamed BCCI official as saying that the Indian Board "was still behind Zimbabwe and would not support any motion to throw them out of the ICC" at the meeting on Wednesday.

Earlier, Cricket South Africa was the first to suspend its bilateral ties with Zimbabwe. England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) followed suit by scrapping a proposed tour by Zimbabwe next year.

The ECB wants to strip Zimbabwe of ODI status, which would bar the African nation from appearing at the World Twenty20 Championship in England next year.

ECB fears that Zimbabwe's presence would almost certainly prevent the tournament from going ahead as the British government is unlikely to issue visas for Zimbabwean cricketers.

In that case, ICC would be forced to strip England of the lucrative competition and award it to the back-up venue, Canada.


http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/007200806280322.htm

[161]

I'd have to agree with India.

What fault to the cricketers have in this ?

Mugabe is the villain ... not like he's suddenly gonna change his ways because Zim can't play cricket anymore.

This is collective punishment and it is wrong.

[Eagle Eyes]

HEHEH!!

Good job by India. For once.. they have done something right.

[Fish]

I'd have to agree with India.

What fault to the cricketers have in this ?

Mugabe is the villain ... not like he's suddenly gonna change his ways because Zim can't play cricket anymore.

This is collective punishment and it is wrong.

And there are a lot of Zimbabwe cricketers who cant play for Zimbabwe any more and have fled the country, if we allow Zim cricket to continue to play then we are accepting what is happening in Zim.

I hope Australia refuses to play in any tournament involving Zim, we cant play them and pretend nothing is happening in Zim.

India have the right to do as they wish but I hope they have the welfare of Zim citizens first.

[McBoom]

Well if South Africa was not allowed to take part in sports than so does Zimbabwe.

[Xshazero]

i think zimbabwe team should be allowed to take part in sports........ its not their fault if the president is a ret*rd......

[161]

Well if South Africa was not allowed to take part in sports than so does Zimbabwe.


There's a difference ..

The entire South African system was wrong.

In Zimbabwe's case it's just one man.

Do you also think Pakistan should have been kicked out of the ICC for Mush's antics ?

[the true passionist]

Keep politics out of sports otherwise you will create a mess.

[161]

And there are a lot of Zimbabwe cricketers who cant play for Zimbabwe any more and have fled the country, if we allow Zim cricket to continue to play then we are accepting what is happening in Zim.

I hope Australia refuses to play in any tournament involving Zim, we cant play them and pretend nothing is happening in Zim.

India have the right to do as they wish but I hope they have the welfare of Zim citizens first.

Fish .. why then shouldn't Pakistan and other countries boycott Australia and England for their parts in the Iraq war ?

[Fish]

Fish .. why then shouldn't Pakistan and other countries boycott Australia and England for their parts in the Iraq war ?

That is entirely up to them kashif77, they have the right to do that if they want to.

[Big Harvey]

And there are a lot of Zimbabwe cricketers who cant play for Zimbabwe any more and have fled the country, if we allow Zim cricket to continue to play then we are accepting what is happening in Zim.

I hope Australia refuses to play in any tournament involving Zim, we cant play them and pretend nothing is happening in Zim.

India have the right to do as they wish but I hope they have the welfare of Zim citizens first.

I totally agree. The countries whose cricket boards care about what's happening in Zimbabwe must stick together and boycott any tournament where Zimbabwe are present. The time is now both tactically and morally right for that to happen.

[Big Harvey]

There's a difference ..

The entire South African system was wrong.

In Zimbabwe's case it's just one man.

Do you also think Pakistan should have been kicked out of the ICC for Mush's antics ?

It takes more than one man to carry out what's happening in Zimbabwe.

[Big Harvey]

.. why then shouldn't Pakistan and other countries boycott Australia and England for their parts in the Iraq war ?

If such a boycott had happened, then I would have supported it.

[12thMan]

T20 WC backup venue is Canada. Wow!!!

[161]

It takes more than one man to carry out what's happening in Zimbabwe.

The vast majority of the Zimbabwean people are no different than you or me.

Why should we punish them for absolutely no reason ... and yes kicking them out of the ICC will do absolutely nothing to Mugabe.

[161]

If such a boycott had happened, then I would have supported it.

And I wouldn't because I have no clue what cricket and this war have to do with each other.

[Big Harvey]

The vast majority of the Zimbabwean people are no different than you or me.

Why should we punish them for absolutely no reason ... and yes kicking them out of the ICC will do absolutely nothing to Mugabe.

I don't agree that kicking them out of the ICC will do absolutely nothing to Mugabe. The very fact that a South African sporting organisation is helping to initiate such a move will do immense damage his international reputation in the region, especially if it leads to a wider sporting boycott of the country.

As regards punishing the ordinary people of Zimbabwe, I'm sure they can live with this 'punishment,' which would be much milder than the punishment they're currently getting from sources closer to home. I think in any case that they'll look upon such a boycott as a message of solidarity from the rest of the world

[McBoom]

There's a difference ..

The entire South African system was wrong.

In Zimbabwe's case it's just one man.

Do you also think Pakistan should have been kicked out of the ICC for Mush's antics ?Its not one man, Mugabe has a whole system with laws in the constitution that promotes racism and segregation. He is not one man but has all the army & government with him. The current Zimbabwe cricket board also supports Mugabe's policies.

If most of the people in Zimbabwe are against these policies then same was the situation in South Africa where apartheid was not supported by the majority of whites & blacks long before it officially ended.

And yeah, Busharraf did not get us kicked out of the ICC but he sure got us kicked out of the Common Wealth. Although I agree that he was supporting racism by capturing brown folks without any evidence and giving them to the wh1te folks in Guantanamo!

[Big Harvey]

And I wouldn't because I have no clue what cricket and this war have to do with each other.

I suppose the link between the Iraq war and English and Australian cricket is a much more tenuous than the link between Mugabe and Zimbabwe cricket, which might explain why I didn't hear any calls for sporting boycotts over the issue of the Iraq war, but why there are calls for a boycott over the issue of Zimbabwe.

[Big Harvey]

T20 WC backup venue is Canada. Wow!!!

I would think that if it gets moved there, there will be some notable absentees from the competition.

[161]

I don't agree that kicking them out of the ICC will do absolutely nothing to Mugabe. The very fact that a South African sporting organisation is helping to initiate such a move will do immense damage his international reputation in the region, especially if it leads to a wider sporting boycott of the country.

When have such sanctions worked on dictators in the past ?


A million children died in Iraq because food and medication were not allowed in after the first Gulf War.

South Korea has suffered from nationwide famines.

Cuba is a century behind it's Caribbean neighbors.


Yet none of these calamities weakened their respective dictators one bit.

The concept of collective punishment to get the guy at the top has been repeatedly proven incorrect by history.

[Big Harvey]

When have such sanctions worked on dictators in the past ?



Ask Nelson Mandela.

[J-Essence]

did they say Canada?

[india_fan]

Canada hardly has any grounds to host a WORLD T20. All we have is a collaboration between cricketing club and skating club :)) i.e. Toronto Skating and Cricket Club :D

[Big Harvey]

A million children died in Iraq because food and medication were not allowed in after the first Gulf War.

South Korea has suffered from nationwide famines.

Cuba is a century behind it's Caribbean neighbors.


Yet none of these calamities weakened their respective dictators one bit.

The concept of collective punishment to get the guy at the top has been repeatedly proven incorrect by history.

We are dealing here with the question of sporting links rather than economic sanctions.

I think you mean North Korea rather than South Korea. I'm not aware of any famines in South Korea (or sanctions).

I think that despite the massive economic hardships in Cuba caused by the US sanctions and the collapse of its biggest ally and trading partner the USSR, Cuba is very far from being a century behind its Caribbean neighbours. In the field of health for example, the general consensus among those who know seems to be that it's quite a long way ahead of them.

Whether or not economic sanctions are helpful tends to depend on the size, strength, and unity of the opposition to the regime. In North Korea that opposition barely exists (if at all in any organised form) as far as most people can tell, and the opposition in Cuba seems to be largely either exiled, or a figment of US politicians' imaginations, as turned out to be the case in Iraq, of course.

In Zimbabwe, the situation is different. The MDC polled more votes than Mugabe's party, showing a strong, united opposition, which means there are more parallels with South Africa (where sanctions and boycotts did help bring down the regime) than there are with countries like North Korea, Cuba, and Saddam Hussein's Iraq, where sanctions are/were counterproductive.

[12thMan]

Canada hardly has any grounds to host a WORLD T20. All we have is a collaboration between cricketing club and skating club :)) i.e. Toronto Skating and Cricket Club :DIce cricket maybe to make it popular there :dna

[Big Harvey]

Canada hardly has any grounds to host a WORLD T20. All we have is a collaboration between cricketing club and skating club :)) i.e. Toronto Skating and Cricket Club :D

I gather Toronto's Skydome has hosted cricket in the past.

[india_fan]

I gather Toronto's Skydome has hosted cricket in the past.

It has. But that stadium is nothing of International standards, why ? because its a bloody baseball stadium :D.

Canadians are dying to host an International game, but we don't have good facilities to hold the T20 cup. I rather not have than having a farcical cricket tournament.

[Wiji]

T20 WC backup venue is Canada. Wow!!!

I didn't know there was such thing as a backup venue for World Cups.

[observer1]

When have such sanctions worked on dictators in the past ?


A million children died in Iraq because food and medication were not allowed in after the first Gulf War.

South Korea has suffered from nationwide famines.

Cuba is a century behind it's Caribbean neighbors.


Yet none of these calamities weakened their respective dictators one bit.

The concept of collective punishment to get the guy at the top has been repeatedly proven incorrect by history.

Shocked to see some wisdom coming from You, but superb Post bro.

P.S did you mean North Korea?

[12thMan]

I didn't know there was such thing as a backup venue for World Cups.Isnt' Sri Lanka backup venue for Champions Trophy? I don't know just asking but I hear SL name here and there when it comes to tournaments in Pakistan. But yeah I haven't heard of backups before but now they have to plan. With this T20 WC in England I heard about England might not be able to host it if Zimbabwe is not there a few months ago. Just 2-3 months ago some meeting I think was moved to Dubai because Zimbabwe representative was to be there???? (not sure if real or dream)

[161]

Ask Nelson Mandela.


South Africa wasn't lead by a crazy dictator.

There was some sort of system in place that eventually figured things out.

But the same will not happen when you have one or a few madmen running an entire country.

Saddam did not care how many died ...

Kim Jong-il does not care how many are starving ...

Kicking Zim out of the ICC will not topple Mugabe.

[Wiji]

Isnt' Sri Lanka backup venue for Champions Trophy? I don't know just asking but I hear SL name here and there when it comes to tournaments in Pakistan. But yeah I haven't heard of backups before but now they have to plan. With this T20 WC in England I heard about England might not be able to host it if Zimbabwe is not there a few months ago. Just 2-3 months ago some meeting I think was moved to Dubai because Zimbabwe representative was to be there???? (not sure if real or dream)

I think this back-up rule may have more to do with the situation in Pakistan than Zimbabwe. If England doesn't want Zimbabwe, ICC will bend over to their needs I bet.

[161]

In Zimbabwe, the situation is different. The MDC polled more votes than Mugabe's party, showing a strong, united opposition, which means there are more parallels with South Africa (where sanctions and boycotts did help bring down the regime) than there are with countries like North Korea, Cuba, and Saddam Hussein's Iraq, where sanctions are/were counterproductive.


And I'm sure if polls were allowed in Iraq, Korea, Cuba etc ... their respective leaders wouldn't do to well either.

The question comes down who controls the army.


We are dealing here with the question of sporting links rather than economic sanctions.

That's even more of a reason not to cut cricket ties.

Cultural links have always continued during even the worst conflicts.

Pakistanis watched Indian movies and Indians listened to Pak music through the Kargil War.

There's even a story about how Allied and German troops exchanged gifts in trenches during Christmas.

These cultural ties are bring some positive and hope in the toughest of times.

Nothing positive can result from cutting them.

[Fish]

Kicking Zim out of the ICC will not topple Mugabe.

Toppling Mugabe wont be acheived by this saction, nobody thinks that.

The purpose is to instil that only countries that players and cricket boards are free to play without fear of political or racial discrimination can reresent their country. Mugabe's regime rules by fear and only players that agree to his terms can play cricket. This is what we cannot accept.

[fair_dinkum]

oh here we go again. the world police have hijacked this thread and are going to justify the ICC removal of Zimbabwe cricket status because MUGABE runs the country and instills fear in the people.

does anybody think this is stupid. it is stupid.

EVERY GOVT instills fear in its people. the Howard govt did. the US govt does. heck the British govt did this aswell when they deployed 3000 soldiers on heathrow airport.....because.....wait for it...... AL-QAEDA WAS GOING TO BOMB THE AIRPORT.


c'mon, use your brain. its about time some stood up to this ******** game the ICC/ECB are playing.
ICC, is a 2 faced organization. on one hand it says that politics and sports shouldn't mix on the other hand it is trying to remove zimbabwe's cricket status on political grounds.

[12thMan]

Do people really care about that cricket goes on in Zimbabwe?
India itself indefinetly postponed their tour to Zimbabwe this early June and the reason was not politics or security. Did anyone raise their voice? No one probably even noticed.

I think this is masala news that India is opposing

[Big Harvey]

EVERY GOVT instills fear in its people. the Howard govt did. the US govt does. heck the British govt did this aswell when they deployed 3000 soldiers on heathrow airport.....because.....wait for it...... AL-QAEDA WAS GOING TO BOMB THE AIRPORT.


I suggest that you read up on what's going on in Zimbabwe, because if you think the situation there is even remotely comparable to the situation in Australia, the USA, or Britain, you obviously don't know anything about what's happening there. Either that, or you are intentionally turning a blind eye to the suffering of your fellow human beings.

Last time I looked, there weren't floods of terrified trefugees and asylum-seekers pouring out of Britain into neighbouring countries. Last time I was in Canada, if there were swarms of people coming across the border from the USA, fleeing from the torture, beatings, and deliberate withholding of essential supplies of food and medicine from areas where the people failed to vote for President Bush, then once again I didn't notice them. When I was last in New Zealand, there also appeared to be a distinct lack of refugee camps holding the massive numbers fleeing by any means possible from the brutal oppression they were facing in Australia. Still, I only went to the North Island, so perhaps these camps must have all been based on the South Island. Either that or the refugees all moved back home when Rudd was elected.

If you visit one of the countries bordering Zimbabwe though, especially South Africa, I can assure you that the situation there regarding refugees is very different. That's despite the fact that regardless of the gains made there since the fall of Apartheid, South Africa is not exactly a land of milk and honey for black people, who of course make up the overwhelming majority of refugees fleeing Zimbabwe.