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from_da_lost_dim3nsion
30th June 2008, 03:22
just brain storming here ,:
pehle aik quote se shuroo kerta hoon : " woh quomein to soochtee nahin , jo sawal nahin kertein woh murda hoo jaatein hain"

Cristian mazahabaur islam se pehleee aanee walee mazhaboon ki sab se bari ghakti kya they ?
kion woh sachee raasteee se bhatak gayee ?
kya wajahhai keh unkee mazhabi peshwa, priests,rabbi waghera ne mazhab ko istemaal kya apnee faidee ke lya aur looogon ko gumrah kya sache raasteee se?
agar aaj yeh mazahaib walee gumrah nahin hootee aur agar aaj in kekitaboon mein tehreef nahoote to ky aaj poori dunya sachee mazhab islam per anhin qaim hootee ?

in sab sawaloon ka jawab MULLAH!!! har mazhab ke aik mullahs hoootein ahin jo apne mufaad ke lyee , apnee intrests ke lyee loogoon ko gumrah kertehain .apnee 1 1/2 inch ki masjib bana leete ehain apne epower ke lye.loogoon mein tafarqee pehlaatee hain apnee aapko power dene ke lye,.Main jin mullahs ki baat ker rah hon woh sirf islami nahin balkee main baat ker rah hoon har mazhab ke mullahs ki.christianity se lee ker judaism tak ke.Christians aur jewish loog issi lye barbaad hooyee kion ke unkee kitabbein kabhi unkee haathoon mein aayee hi nahin , woh apnee church jaatee ya apnee synagog(sp?) jaatee haftee mein aik baar aur preists ki taqreer sunn ker wapis ajatte aur jo unkee mullahs ( priests ,raabbi) kehte usko hurf bahurf maan leetee,.is jahalat aur apni kitaab ko khud na perhna aur na shamajhnee ne in mullahs ko aik buhat zyada powers de dye, unhoon ne in powwers ko apnee mufaad ke lye istemaal kernaaa shuro ker dya aur halat yahan taak poohonch gayee keh apnee powers ko bachanee ke lye kitaboon mein adal badal bhi ker dya takee uni baraii qaim rahe.Wajah ?kion ke un saab ko pata tha, uni kitaboonmein saaf saaf lafzoooon mein likha hoa taha ke HUzoor S.A.W ka nazool ho gaya aur unki badshahi challange hoo jayee gi.to apnee powers ko safe rakhnee ke lye loogoon ko unki kitaboon see door rakha gaya aur un mein aaram see tahreef ker di gayee.

Aaab aatee hain islam ki taraf,Allah taallah ne in hi wajhaoon see Quran ko aik elite class ki kitaan nahin banaya , ussee poori kainat ke lye utara gaya, quran ko aik ghareeb bhi apne pass rakh aur per h sakta hai aur aik alim fazil , moulana aur qari aur hafiz bhi.aur ofcourse aik mullah bhi.on top of that , quran kem tehreef nahin hoo payee kionke Alllah taallah ne is baat ka bera khud uthaya keh mein quran ki qayamt tak hifazat karoon ga.yeh qaul ke" hum ne tum per tumhara mazhab assan ker dya" aur " deen mein koi zabardasti nahin " ... iss baat ki zinda misallein ahin keh aik aam musalaman quran sharif khu perh ker khood amal ker sakta ahin us per. kion ke us per deen asan bana dya gaya hai .Magar phir hooyaee entry jaahil mullahs ki .Woh yeh baat kaisee bardasht ker saktee they ke loog apnee mazhab ko khub perhein , khud shamjhein aur khud amal karein,Unki 1 1/2 inch ki masjid ka kya hoota, unkee power ka kya hooota , unki intrests ka kya hoota>to shuroo hooya aik naya khel.Islam ko extremisim ke taraf lee janneee kaa.Quran ke har qoul ko talwar ko jama pehnanee kaa.Islam ko contril ker ka aur aim aam aadmi, aik aam musalmaan ko batanee ka keh tum nahin jaanee keh islam kya hai , hum hain na tumhein batanee ke lye.Aaab mazeedaar baat yeh keh Quran mein literallly koi badlaoo nahin ayya to kya gaya usee interpretation ko change .Har mullah ne apnee faidee khe lya quraan ki aik alag interpretation ke rke mazhab ko firwoon mein baant diya.koi shia, koi sunni koi qadiyani ( not muslims i guess),dewbandi, barelwi.......
to joo mullahs kabyaab nahin hoo payee quraan ke asal alfaz ko badalnee mein unee ne tafseer ko badal dya , aur apna faida kya aur aam aadmi beetha hoa takta hi reh gaya keh yeh kya hoo raha hai.halanka islam siwayee kuch basic usoooloon ke ( namaz, roza,zakat,haaj) ke alawa loog kuch perh ker shamajh sakte hain hummein injahil mullah jo kaffi **** tak dunyaa ko flat maantee rahee ki explinations ke zaroorat nahin....

*yeh to wohi mullahs hain jinhoo ne loud speaker ki ijad hone per uska use haram qarar de dya tha aur aaj wohi iska sabse zyada use kertee hain
*yeh wohi mullahs hain jinhoon ne pakistan banne ki mukhalifat ki they aur qaid e azam ko kaafir e azam ka laqab dya tha aur aaj paksiatnmein islam ke rakhwalee bann ker bethee hooyee hain
*yeh wohi hain jinhoon ne radio tv ko haram kaha aur aaj barah barh ker tasweereinaur vdo's abnwana chahtein hain

wagiira wagira

thread thora lamba hoo gya.. asal point takk baat nahin aapayaa..
next post mein continue karoon ga

from_da_lost_dim3nsion
30th June 2008, 03:23
ahan se chooraa tha wahins e shuroo kert ahoon ,
aab aatee hain keh jo ghustakh e rasool hai uski saza mout hai ? mere khyal mein yeh baat nah sirf unreasonable hai balkee sarasar common sence lask kerte hia ...........
Islam in cheezoon se balatar hai ... hazoor s.a.w khud saqid aur ameen ke naam se pukaree jaatee they.App s.a.w agar is tarah islam phelaatee to shaid aaj jdunya mein islamka naam lewa koi nahin hoota , aapp saw to woh insaan hain jinhoon ne darguzar se kaam lya, makka ki galioon mein aap per koora phenka gaya , aap per galoyooon ki pochar ki gayee aap pe ritnee patthhar parsayee gayee keh aap ki joottey tak khoon se bhar gayee magar aap ne kya kiy a? aap ne kya Allah tallah se yeh kaha ke inhoon en mujhe be izza kya inhein marr do ? nahin !!!!!!!! aap ne Allah tallah se kahan ke yeh nasamajh haininhein hidaayat doo..
agar koi aap saw ki be izatti kerta ya islam ke abree mein kuch kehta to aap talwar le ke rus se larne kharee nahin ho jaaatee balkee us se reason kerte , usko apna mazhab ke baaree mein shamjhatee aur jitnee loog aap SAW ke darguzar aur maaf kerne ki adat s emusalmaan hooyww itne talwar ki zoorr per kabhi nhin hooyee......
Jo baat APp saw ne apni zindagi mein nahi ki (kissi ko jaan marna kion ke usne aap ki shaan mein ghustakhi ki ) to hum kion is baat ko phattar ki laker maante hain ?
kiya ham badal na kjhusta aap saw ne zyada jaantee hian , yah un se baree hain islam ki shamajh mein (naoooz e billah). nahin ,hamaree shamajh unkee muqablee mein aik choontee ke barabar bhi naihn .jaab aap saw ne makkah fatah kiya to pata nahin kitnee loog they jinhoon nee aapki nabawat ka mazaq uraya aur aab woh aap ke saamne be bass kahre ethey . aap saw ne kya kiy a? chahtee to sar qalam kerwa dete unka? magar nahin apap ne aam maafi ka ilan kiy a? kiya hamaree jahil mullahs sunn rahien hain ?aam maafiiiii!!!
Abb aatee hain aik waqay ki taraf jis mein saik koi "Kaab bin Asraf" naami shakh , usee aap ko bura bhala kaha aur shai dnabawat ka bhi dawa kya (shaid not sure about the nabawat part ), lakin aap saw ne unko maut kahukum is lya nahin dya keh woh aap saw ki burayee ker raha tha ya shai dnabawat ka dawa ker raha tha, magar iss lye ky akion keh woh aap ke khilaf jung ki tayyarri ker raha tha aas pass ke yahoodiyoon ke saath mil ker fauj tayyar ker raha tha........

aab atee hain sahaba ki taraf, sahaba yaqeenan ap saw se buhat pya kerte they , aaur aap ke lya jaan leene aur deene edoonoon ke lye tayyar they , lakin hummein yeh baat shamajhne chahiyee keh sahabah ke pass Allah tallah ki taraf se direct ahkam nahin attee jaise Huzoor s.a.w ke lyee aatee they , aue hi woh perfectly islam follow ker saktee hain kion keh woh bhi insaan ai , aur insaan se ghalti ho jaatei hia .. hooo sakta hai keh sahabah apnnee huzoor saw se pyar ke josh mein iss baat ko kuch zyada hi aagee lee gayee ho ke ghustakhi ki saza maut ?. Hum as a muslim har aik koi question ker sakte hain islam mein siwayee Allah tallah ke aur Nabi e pakk hazoor e akram Hazrat Mohammed S.a.w ke,to sahaba per sawal kion nahin .main yeh nahin keh raha keh sahaba buhrree they they were 1 thousand times better muslims than us magar , kya yeh zaroori hai keh woh harr baat mein sahi hoon ? maslann ghustaki ki saza ke mamelee mein ? .jabke Huzoor e paak ki ahadees aur sunnah yah even quran mein aisee koi baat nahin miltee ,na hi nabee e paak ki poori zindagi se keh jo un se ghustakhi karee uski saza mout hai .. to jab hamaree nabee nai iskee koi saza muqarrar nahin ki , jab quran mein nahin to sahaba kaun hootee hain islam mein ammendments laanee wallee, aur apnee rules muqarrrar kerne wallee. Hosakta hai keh yeh laws us zamana ke lihaz se valid bhi hoo magarislam aik universal mazhab hai aur tamam kainaya aur saree zamanon ke lye hia , aur issi tarah islam koi evolve hoona hai , har zamane ke lihaz se.Jitni us zamane ke loogon ki shamajh they unhoon ne us waqt ke lihaz se amal kya aur unki pakar bhi us waqt ke husaab se hoo gi ,Aur aab aaj ka zamana hai , aaj insaan buhat aagee aagaya hai , zindagi ki buhat sarri baatoon ki uski buhat zyada shamajh ai to zahir hia ke islam ki shamajh bhi uski zyadahai puranee zamanee ke muqable mein , to kya yeh hamara farz nahin keh islam ko aaj ke zamane se implement kya jayee jab ke yeh baat sabit ahi ke islam saree zamanon ke lye hai .us zamane mein woh laws valid they aaj ke zamane mein koi au r.Aaj aisee saza s eislam phele ga nahin balkee uske khouf aur uske khilaaf nafrat hi phelee gi.... Islam to pyar kah mazhab hai , yeh to aapnee taraf khenchta hai , woh islam nahin hoo sakta jiss see loog daree hoon yah see se woh door bhagna chahtee hooon........
sochne ka muqaam hai ......

TAK
5th July 2008, 03:18
it is so hard to read urdu written in english letters

especially long texts like these

12thMan
5th July 2008, 03:39
I agree with TAK. It is hard to read. For me long posts in english are hard to read too

from_da_lost_dim3nsion
5th July 2008, 14:23
do you want me tp break it down into more paragraphs ?

TAK
5th July 2008, 18:11
do you want me tp break it down into more paragraphs ?


ahan se chooraa tha wahins e shuroo kert ahoon ,

this is the first line from your last post

now no disrespect it tooj me a few reads to fathom what youe saying just in that one line

and i think what you are saying is:


jahaan say chorah tha vaheen say shiroo karta huun


so multiply this difficlty but the nunber of sentences posted in roman english and perhaps a degree of the difficulty in comprhending can be seen

Wazeeri
6th July 2008, 23:13
I think 2/3 lines per paragraph is readable.

Over time we will get better.

MIG
7th July 2008, 02:00
Sawal yah hai kai kiya Allah kay Rasool aisay logon kay saath kia sulook kartay? agar aap samajhtay hain ko woh apnay say badtameezi karnay wallay kee gardan kat datay to phir, waqayee gustakh-e-Rasool ko maut kee saza dee janee chahiyay.