Geoff Lawson doesn’t play role in troubled times: Younis Khan [Archive] - PakPassion

Savak

5th July 2008, 06:55

Geoff Lawson doesn’t play role in troubled times: Younis Khan

Geoff Lawson doesn’t play role in troubled times: Younis Khan KARACHI: The senior player and the stylish batsman of Pakistan Cricket Team Younis Khan said on Friday that coach of national team Geoff Lawson did not play his role in time of need and left all the crucial matters upon players.

“Pakistan team needs Shoaib Akhter and Muhammad Asif however they have to improvise their fitness level”, talking to Ramiz Raja during Geo T.V program “Late Cut with Younis Khan” he said.

http://www.geo.tv/7-5-2008/20334.htm

Afridi_Fan

5th July 2008, 06:57

Well Well Well

And we are continuing with him as the coach

cars112

5th July 2008, 06:57

This is a serious thing to say especially coming from such a respected professional in the cricket world like Younis Khan.

Savak

5th July 2008, 07:01

Like i said, he just does not come across as a competent coach to me. Younis Khan had previously complained about Lawson's lack of input during the test matches in India when he was captain. A coach is pretty useless and pathetic if he cant contribute tactically towards a team's cause let alone bring about technical improvements in players. I dont see us going anywhere under Lawson i am afraid.

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:16

cars112

5th July 2008, 07:17

Why does this bloke want to talk like a captain, make comments like a captain, bat like a captain but refuse to be captain?

No point complaining if you don't have the courage to step up and fix things.

Aussie Younis Khan is one of the most respect men in cricket, not just Pakistan, for his commitment and professionalism (apart from brilliant batting), don't you think if he is saying something it should be listened to?

Savak

5th July 2008, 07:20

Why does this bloke want to talk like a captain, make comments like a captain, bat like a captain but refuse to be captain?

No point complaining if you don't have the courage to step up and fix things.

Excuse me, but he has no right to complain about the coach? He is standing up and telling people the truth. He could get fined or even banned for issuing such comments but he is going ahead and telling the truth. If Lawson is incompetent then the whole world deserves to know the truth then.

cars112

5th July 2008, 07:21

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:22

Aussie Younis Khan is one of the most respect men in cricket, not just Pakistan, for his commitment and professionalism (apart from brilliant batting), don't you think if he is saying something it should be listened to?

Nope. If he wants to do something about it why doesn't he captain the team? Easiest thing in the world to make comments with no responsibility.

He is a gun player and is well respected but he had the chance (and still does have) to be captain but won't do it. So why make comments like this at all?

cars112

5th July 2008, 07:24

Nope. If he wants to do something about it why doesn't he captain the team? Easiest thing in the world to make comments with no responsibility.

He is a gun player and is well respected but he had the chance (and still does have) to be captain but won't do it. So why make comments like this at all?

Aussie, he feels the coach is not fulfilling his duties and so is pointing that out. Don't understand why you have such an issue with that? Can only the captain raise his concerns?

Afridi_Fan

5th July 2008, 07:25

Nope. If he wants to do something about it why doesn't he captain the team? Easiest thing in the world to make comments with no responsibility.

He is a gun player and is well respected but he had the chance (and still does have) to be captain but won't do it. So why make comments like this at all?

I really dont go with ur arguments, Geo News wants his arguments and they think that he will speak the truth thats why they go to him rather than Malik the Captian and if he is asked abt the coach and he gives his comments whats so bad in it?

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:29

Aussie, he feels the coach is not fulfilling his duties and so is pointing that out. Don't understand why you have such an issue with that? Can only the captain raise his concerns?

Why is he doing it through the the media?

And if he was captain he could do something about it.

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:30

I really dont go with ur arguments, Geo News wants his arguments and they think that he will speak the truth thats why they go to him rather than Malik the Captian and if he is asked abt the coach and he gives his comments whats so bad in it?

Yeah so he is pseudo captain right?

cars112

5th July 2008, 07:31

Why is he doing it through the the media?

And if he was captain he could do something about it.

"Doing it through the media"? He was probably asked a question and answered it...that's all.

As for him being captain...well he isn't, why keep bringing it up

Afridi_Fan

5th July 2008, 07:32

Why is he doing it through the the media?

And if he was captain he could do something about it.

Because the media is going upto him and asks him such stuff.if you would have been in Pakistan and watching Geo News you would have known that before the Geo News had a show hosted by Rameez Raja named as Captain Corner.But in this Asia cup even Geo has come to know that Mr Malik has no insight into the game so after every game they go to Younis Khan and asks his opinion on different issues, Lawson Issue came up in the same show and he just told what he thinks of the Aussie, Bad?

Afridi_Fan

5th July 2008, 07:33

Yeah so he is pseudo captain right?

Ask Geo News

Savak

5th July 2008, 07:34

Main reasons why we see the likes of Shoaib Akhtar, Younis Khan, Yousaf e.t.c complain through the media is because the PCB doesnt give a jack **** about their concerns and doesnt listen to them. They have every right to go to the media, tell the whole world the truth, speak out against the PCB and speak their mind and defy this dictatorial code of conduct.

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:34

"Doing it through the media"? He was probably asked a question and answered it...that's all.

As for him being captain...well he isn't, why keep bringing it up

No other cricketing country in the world would tolerate one of their players commenting on the current team like that.

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:35

Because the media is going upto him and asks him such stuff.if you would have been in Pakistan and watching Geo News you would have known that before the Geo News had a show hosted by Rameez Raja named as Captain Corner.But in this Asia cup even Geo has come to know that Mr Malik has no insight into the game so after every game they go to Younis Khan and asks his opinion on different issues, Lawson Issue came up in the same show and he just told what he thinks of the Aussie, Bad?

Lol he even appears on 'Captain's Corner" :)

Savak

5th July 2008, 07:37

No other cricketing country in the world would tolerate one of their players commenting on the current team like that.

Well no other cricketing country in the world would impose unfair, unjust dictatorial conditions on its cricketers and would make sure all their concerns, grievances would be addressed and therefore the players would not find the need to go to the media. Stop comparing Pakistan to Australia, England e.t.c

cars112

5th July 2008, 07:38

No other cricketing country in the world would tolerate one of their players commenting on the current team like that.

Oh come on! Let's not be melodramatic. Didn't Shane Warne ever criticize John Buchanan? Aussie don't get carried away

Afridi_Fan

5th July 2008, 07:39

Lol he even appears on 'Captain's Corner" :)

Did you read that carefully, I said,Geo used to host a programme named as Captain Corner"The programme is now named as Late Cut I guess.

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:42

Oh come on! Let's not be melodramatic. Didn't Shane Warne ever criticize John Buchanan? Aussie don't get carried away

Well no other country would tolerate it. Anyway nobody seems to see anything objectionable in this so I'll just shut up. :D

cars112

5th July 2008, 07:44

Well no other country would tolerate it.

What did CA say to Warne when he was having a go at Buchanan? I can't remember a reprimand

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 07:47

What did CA say to Warne when he was having a go at Buchanan? I can't remember a reprimand

Most of what he said was after he had retired. So no way for CA to fine him.

india_fan

5th July 2008, 07:54

No other cricketing country in the world would tolerate one of their players commenting on the current team like that.

when you mention 'no other cricketing country' ... did you include India in it too ?

If yes, you are bloody right mate :D. BCCI is very professional (oh and not to mention rich) :batman: :D

cars112

5th July 2008, 08:03

Most of what he said was after he had retired.

Didn't he have something to say about the boot camp after the 2005 Ashes? I could be confusing things, though.

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 08:04

when you mention 'no other cricketing country' ... did you include India in it too ?

If yes, you are bloody right mate :D. BCCI is very professional (oh and not to mention rich) :batman: :D

No I said 'cricketing country" not "evil dictatorship" :D

On a serious front, what do you think BCCI would do if Sehwag came out and said Gary Kirsten was incompetent?

cars112

5th July 2008, 08:05

No I said 'cricketing country" not "evil dictatorship" :D

:))

india_fan

5th July 2008, 08:08

No I said 'cricketing country" not "evil dictatorship" :D

On a serious front, what do you think BCCI would do if Sehwag came out and said Gary Kirsten was incompetent?

1. Sehwag would not do that.

2. Read # 1

:batman:

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 08:08

Didn't he have something to say about the boot camp after the 2005 Ashes? I could be confusing things, though.

Yes he did, said it was a stupid idea etc etc. The context is a bit different to this though.

161

5th July 2008, 08:08

shizzzz ... lawson getting ripped by his own players in public.

good on YK for coming out in support of asif and shoaib and against naseem and lawson !

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 08:09

1. Sehwag would not do that.

2. Read # 1

:batman:

Exactly. :batman:

pixaar

5th July 2008, 08:11

No I said 'cricketing country" not "evil dictatorship" :D

On a serious front, what do you think BCCI would do if Sehwag came out and said Gary Kirsten was incompetent?

in a hypothetical situation, BCCI would ask them both to shut their chatterboxes.

cars112

5th July 2008, 08:18

The context is a bit different to this though.

That's a cop out, Aussie! ;-)

india_fan

5th July 2008, 08:19

in a hypothetical situation, BCCI would ask them both to shut their chatterboxes.

haha, BCCI's stupid vice president would come on TV and 'gag' both the knobheads.

did i say stupid ?

I kid I kid....this is PP, so BCCI = very professional, Mandela/Gandhi et al (oh yeah RICH too!!) :batman:

saj786

5th July 2008, 09:06

why did they ever appoint lawson as a coach anyway, he's moved from a commentator 2 a coach, it was a odd desicion

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 09:26

That's a cop out, Aussie! ;-)

Well Warne said the team did not need a coach and that the ideas the coach came up with were stupid.

Younis has allegedly said the coach does not do his job when it is required.

And in the Australian context both had been with the team a long time and the team was very successful during that time. Warne never alleged Buchanan was incompetent or avoided responsibility, just that he was not needed.

Eagle Eyes

5th July 2008, 09:27

Random Aussie.. right now.. how do you know he doesn't want to be captain. ;)

If you ask him. He wont refuse now. Just ask him!

Random Aussie

5th July 2008, 09:29

Random Aussie.. right now.. how do you know he doesn't want to be captain. ;)

If you ask him. He wont refuse now. Just ask him!

He should have been captain in the first place. :P He fields like the captain, bats like the captain, talks like the captain etc.....

lollol

5th July 2008, 09:32

Why does this bloke want to talk like a captain, make comments like a captain, bat like a captain but refuse to be captain?

No point complaining if you don't have the courage to step up and fix things.
Either because he doesn't want to be a dummy captain or because we all know how furious PAK fans get if they lose a series or dont go well in tournaments....

cars112

5th July 2008, 09:44

Well Warne said the team did not need a coach and that the ideas the coach came up with were stupid.

Younis has allegedly said the coach does not do his job when it is required.

And in the Australian context both had been with the team a long time and the team was very successful during that time. Warne never alleged Buchanan was incompetent or avoided responsibility, just that he was not needed.

Ah OK, fair enough.

Indiafan

5th July 2008, 10:38

So someone who avoids responsibiliity himself is asking others to be responsible?

feather

5th July 2008, 12:18

I am sure YK feels when team performs bad...the team is also responsible rather then the coach.

cars112

5th July 2008, 12:53

So someone who avoids responsibiliity himself is asking others to be responsible?

Yeah I mean YK has never done anything for Team Pakistan as he? So your claim that YK "avoids responsibility" is so very true isn't it?

the_game

5th July 2008, 12:57

Once again, Younis speaking his mind. Good on him. Lawson needs to go.

Wazeeri

5th July 2008, 13:01

improvise their fitness level

How do you improvise a fitness level?

Monsee

5th July 2008, 13:49

YK, WTH is wrong with him; how does a player improvise his 'Fitness'...hopefully he is not referring to the 'Hakeem Episode'?

PCB needs to put a sock in YK's mouth just like Shoaib...he talks too much but when given the captaincy, he throws all his toys out of the prom cause he does not want to be the dummy kuuptaan!

pakistanbest

5th July 2008, 17:18

YK speaks the truth and is not scared of the dictators in PCB and will speak his mind. i fully agree and support YK

way to YK u go tell them baby

Mohsin

5th July 2008, 17:26

5 year ban!!!!!!!!!!!!

ucilite

5th July 2008, 17:57

Oxy

5th July 2008, 18:08

I dont like this stuff being said to the media. No doubt, Lawson's time is up. Matter of time really.

But as much I am a huge YK fan - you cannot simply speak out against your coach in public like this.

It undermines Lawson - and the PCB.

This is going to take a turn for the worst I feel.

No one wins - Pak cricket is the loser (again)

cars112

5th July 2008, 18:09

in the same interview when asked about Shoaib and Asif's party habits he suggested that they all kind of do it, but one just has to make sure that you don't get caught! now what kind of non sense is that???

Well that's a bit disappointing from YK if he said that

ucilite

5th July 2008, 18:12

Well that's a bit disappointing from YK if he said that

i heard the whole interview and you can substantiate by asking around or listening it yourself on geo...

cars112

5th July 2008, 18:19

i heard the whole interview and you can substantiate by asking around or listening it yourself on geo...

Sorry didn't mean to question you, was disappointed at YK more than anything else.

saadibaba

5th July 2008, 18:30

OZGOD

5th July 2008, 18:35

Excuse me, but he has no right to complain about the coach? He is standing up and telling people the truth. He could get fined or even banned for issuing such comments but he is going ahead and telling the truth. If Lawson is incompetent then the whole world deserves to know the truth then.

Kind of like Shane Warne coming out with a statement that all a coach was good for was getting the players to the ground (i.e. bus = coach). Warne was pilloried for his comments and made to apologise, and rightly so. This kind of stuff should NOT be communicated via unofficial channels. It just shows further disruption within the team and undermines the coach's (and thus the team's) position. It just shows a lack of professionalism.

If YK is unhappy about the coach, there are other ways to effect a change than going public looking like a sook. Imagine if Symmo or Lee or someone made a comment to the effect of "Tim Nielsen's not that great at improving our fast bowlers, he should be doing a better job of that. Geez we struggled to even bowl out WI". That would be pretty unprofessional. Shows that there are no internal processes to resolve these kinds of conflicts.

Savak

5th July 2008, 18:48

I don't know how many of you ACTUALLY heard this interview, but to me Younis wasn't making much sense.....in the same interview when asked about Shoaib and Asif's party habits he suggested that they all kind of do it, but one just has to make sure that you don't get caught! now what kind of non sense is that???

Younis is a great player, but I think he should choose his words very wisely...he speaks so fast like he's missing a train and during this process utters some stuff that he shouldn't be speaking....

regarding Lawson....he took one of his quality and made it sound both positive and negative....so what's the big deal about it?

we should persist with Lawson....the problem with pak cricket is not coach or captain...its rather the board.....now with the change in government, why not have a democratic PCB set up and let the best guy out there run the board......

About the party issue, cmon guys we all party, many of my posh friends party like mad, i know lots of people who lead such crazy lifestyles do booze, drugs most of the times and still live normal lives as bankers, marketing officials, doctors, accountants, Deputy HR managers. Cricketers are a reflection of our society and it is well known the whole team parties not just Akhtar, Asif and our ex test players did it to and what YK said was the truth and nothing else.

That is YK's way of speaking, he speaks from the heart, he might not be coherent but it cannot be anything but the truth as well. It is the duty of the coach to guide his team, give them advice, fix and address their technical problems in the nets and pep them up. Lawson hasnt even improved any single aspect of our bowling which is just pathetic given that he was a bowler himself. So far as of now he has absolutely nothing to show for himself and if YK says that he doesnt do anything when the going gets tough and gives no effective input and has no strategies, tactics to offer to the players then he is not doing his job and this situation must be addressed. I didnt see the YK interview so i cant comment further but i have just given my personal observation regarding Lawson's incompetency based on his 7 months in charge in office.

Savak

5th July 2008, 18:52

Kind of like Shane Warne coming out with a statement that all a coach was good for was getting the players to the ground (i.e. bus = coach). Warne was pilloried for his comments and made to apologise, and rightly so. This kind of stuff should NOT be communicated via unofficial channels. It just shows further disruption within the team and undermines the coach's (and thus the team's) position. It just shows a lack of professionalism.

If YK is unhappy about the coach, there are other ways to effect a change than going public looking like a sook. Imagine if Symmo or Lee or someone made a comment to the effect of "Tim Nielsen's not that great at improving our fast bowlers, he should be doing a better job of that. Geez we struggled to even bowl out WI". That would be pretty unprofessional. Shows that there are no internal processes to resolve these kinds of conflicts.

Dude, this is PAKISTAN not Australia. Over here the cricket board doesnt give a damn about anyone's issues and grievances. Players go to the media as a final and last resort. This is how things were done here in the past and will be done in the future. If the PCB can release the fact that Shoaib, Asif tested positive for nandrolene to the entire world, Shoaib and Asif had a fight in the dressing room to the public, i mean these are internal team matters and should be dealt internally but werent so why should the players not go to the media against the PCB if they were wronged. If the PCB can speak out against any player in the media, call him a damaging influence on the team, lost confidence in him then i am sorry the player has every right to fight back. If i had it my way i would abuse the hell out of DNA on tv every single day because frankly speaking that is what the guy deserves and that is how he has treated officials, our players since the day he took office and we all know the examples.

OZGOD

5th July 2008, 18:56

Dude, this is PAKISTAN not Australia. Over here the cricket board doesnt give a damn about anyone's issues and grievances. Players go to the media as a final and last resort. This is how things were done here in the past and will be done in the future. If the PCB can release the fact that Shoaib, Asif tested positive for nandrolene to the entire world, Shoaib and Asif had a fight in the dressing room to the public, i mean these are internal team matters and should be dealt internally but werent so why should the players not go to the media against the PCB if they were wronged. If the PCB can speak out against any player in the media, call him a damaging influence on the team, lost confidence in him then i am sorry the player has every right to fight back. If i had it my way i would abuse the hell out of DNA on tv every single day because frankly speaking that is what the guy deserves and that is how he has treated officials, our players since the day he took office and we all know the examples.

Irrespective of whether this is the way things are done in Pakistan or not, the fact is that players using the media to communicate a deficiency of a fellow team member (whether a player or coach) will have a negative effect on the team as a whole. Hell, this doesn't even apply to just sport. Two wrongs don't make a right mate. It just shows how much of a shambles your whole setup is in. It's one thing to criticise the administration (who doesn't get involved in day to day on field performance), and a totally different thing to say something you know will destabilise your team. Leave it to the ex-players to criticise the team.

Savak

5th July 2008, 19:08

Irrespective of whether this is the way things are done in Pakistan or not, the fact is that players using the media to communicate a deficiency of a fellow team member (whether a player or coach) will have a negative effect on the team as a whole. Hell, this doesn't even apply to just sport. Two wrongs don't make a right mate. It just shows how much of a shambles your whole setup is in. It's one thing to criticise the administration (who doesn't get involved in day to day on field performance), and a totally different thing to say something you know will destabilise your team. Leave it to the ex-players to criticise the team.

I agree two wrongs never make a right but you are spot on about our system beeing in shambles but DNA has just given Malik and Lawson the go ahead to continue in their respective jobs even though both have proven to be incompetent, inefficient in their jobs. Now when your captain and coach are seriously not upto the job and your chairman says they will continue in office what are you going to do? Its not like YK and others never informed the appropriate PCB authorities of Lawson's incompetency but has something been done about it? The public is demanding to know why isnt the team clicking and why arent they showing any improvements against big sides with the senior players in the firing line, so what does YK do when the PCB are backing the people who arent fit enough to do their jobs, he is just letting the media know the truth.

The ball is in Lawson's coach to improve his coaching, he cannot be allowed to conduct himself in this manner. The Pakistani coaching position is one of great challenge and responsibility and a job which requires a 100% attention, dedication, commitment, passion and results. It is not a shortcut to a six figure tax free salary in dollars, perks, accomodation, luxuries.

iafzal

5th July 2008, 19:16

YK is not like hosting a press conference to talk about what he thinks.

He appeared on a show and he answered a question. He could have lied or he could have said he doe not want to answer it. I am glad he spoke is mind.

Sher-e-Mysore

5th July 2008, 19:23

Oh come on! Let's not be melodramatic. Didn't Shane Warne ever criticize John Buchanan? Aussie don't get carried away

Yoh Cars - who are you rooting for tomorrow?

SL spoiled your party and according to some intentionally lost, and of course Ind is the Old Enemy. :D
:139:

Monsee

5th July 2008, 20:22

That is YK's way of speaking, he speaks from the heart, he might not be coherent but it cannot be anything but the truth as well.

If he is not coherent and seems to be speaking from his backside, how could it still be the truth?

Seems like Shoaib has some competition in the team now as the 'Village Idiot' extraordinaire...

Pindi Da Idiot vs Peshawar/Karachi Da Idiot..Ajj Hi Waikho :)

Savak

5th July 2008, 20:38

If he is not coherent and seems to be speaking from his backside, how could it still be the truth?

Seems like Shoaib has some competition in the team now as the 'Village Idiot' extraordinaire...

Pindi Da Idiot vs Peshawar/Karachi Da Idiot..Ajj Hi Waikho :)

You mean to tell me if the coach is not doing his job, YK has no right to let people know accordingly? Lawson must give his input to the team especially tactics and strategies along with bring technical improvements in players and atleast improving the teams fast bowling what else are we paying him big bucks for. It would have been wrong for YK to keep mum on this issue. People have the right to know the truth.

Saj

5th July 2008, 20:41

161

5th July 2008, 20:50

If he is not coherent and seems to be speaking from his backside, how could it still be the truth?

Seems like Shoaib has some competition in the team now as the 'Village Idiot' extraordinaire...

Pindi Da Idiot vs Peshawar/Karachi Da Idiot..Ajj Hi Waikho :)

and of course ... now ur going to automatically hate YK just because he said we need shoaib back in the team..

Monsee

5th July 2008, 20:52

You mean to tell me if the coach is not doing his job, YK has no right to let people know accordingly? Lawson must give his input to the team especially tactics and strategies along with bring technical improvements in players and atleast improving the teams fast bowling what else are we paying him big bucks for. It would have been wrong for YK to keep mum on this issue. People have the right to know the truth.

YK has no right since he is under the Central contract and it does not allow him to give any interviews where he criticizes anyone in PCB or the team management!

No, none of the people have the right to know the truth...YK, just passes his assessment of the coach or his feelings about Lawson to the PCB, that is it!

On one side you biaatch and whine about PCB releasing the doping issue and the Bat hitting issues to the public/media and yet on the other hand you are ok when YK complains about the coach out in public; yet, any player past/present criticizes Mr. ferrari and the gloves come off in an instant...

Do you even have a stance in all this or you just act like those political chamchaays...moving from party to party (for their own interests)?

Monsee

5th July 2008, 20:56

and of course ... now ur going to automatically hate YK just because he said we need shoaib back in the team..

Kashif, I understand your client is losing all the 'Easy and Free Money' he used to make by sitting out matches/series while being on a central contract and it feels like the sky is falling on you...my commiseration!

As for me hating YK, why; he does his job well, is supremely fit, takes the team to victory and is usually always there at the end and does not feign injuries...unlike a certain Ferrari!

I am not a big fan of Lawson either but that does not mean YK should air the dirty laundry in public

Savak

5th July 2008, 21:09

If he has a problem with the coach, I would rather he sat behind closed doors with him and said to him "Geoff, I think you need to do this or that and I think that will earn you more respect as a coach".

Dont you think he would have done that. Why do we hear about Lawson having problems with senior players? We have already seen Lawson blow up in the press conference under pressure. There must be a strong reason for YK to mention this in the press.

Savak

5th July 2008, 21:13

YK has no right since he is under the Central contract and it does not allow him to give any interviews where he criticizes anyone in PCB or the team management!

No, none of the people have the right to know the truth...YK, just passes his assessment of the coach or his feelings about Lawson to the PCB, that is it!

On one side you biaatch and whine about PCB releasing the doping issue and the Bat hitting issues to the public/media and yet on the other hand you are ok when YK complains about the coach out in public; yet, any player past/present criticizes Mr. ferrari and the gloves come off in an instant...

Do you even have a stance in all this or you just act like those political chamchaays...moving from party to party (for their own interests)?

Well technically you are right about central contracts but then this just proves the pathetic double standards in our cricket that the violations of one person is always taken to tast but the others are just ignored. Dont you think the senior players would have passed their assessment of the coach to the PCB? The NCA staff did and it was far from flattering but DNA has allowed Lawson to remain in office. There has to be some accoutability.

Yes the PCB should bloody well practice what it preaches, they are the ones who release all the controversies to the media instead of dealing with them inhouse and they were the ones who started it. If the PCB leads by example and does no wrong, then it put YK in the wrong but the current PCB administration so far has not come across as an organization that really listens to its employees, treats them with respect, compassion and dignity and is clearly dictatorial and in such an environment everyone has a right to let the whole world know the truth. I have no interest, i will not call a wrong a right. Thats all.

Monsee

5th July 2008, 21:25

Well technically you are right about central contracts but then this just proves the pathetic double standards in our cricket that the violations of one person is always taken to tast but the others are just ignored. Dont you think the senior players would have passed their assessment of the coach to the PCB? The NCA staff did and it was far from flattering but DNA has allowed Lawson to remain in office. There has to be some accoutability.

Yes the PCB should bloody well practice what it preaches, they are the ones who release all the controversies to the media instead of dealing with them inhouse and they were the ones who started it. If the PCB leads by example and does no wrong, then it put YK in the wrong but the current PCB administration so far has not come across as an organization that really listens to its employees, treats them with respect, compassion and dignity and is clearly dictatorial and in such an environment everyone has a right to let the whole world know the truth. I have no interest, i will not call a wrong a right. Thats all.

You are flip flopping again just to make PCB the culprit...YK is wrong here, period.

Pak could be the most corrupt country in the world but if YK is such a man of principle as he is supposed to be than he is ethically wrong to say such things while being under a contract!

Savak

5th July 2008, 21:56

You are flip flopping again just to make PCB the culprit...YK is wrong here, period.

Pak could be the most corrupt country in the world but if YK is such a man of principle as he is supposed to be than he is ethically wrong to say such things while being under a contract!

There is nothing wrong in what YK is saying or doing. People have the right to know why the team is struggling, why the coach and captain have not delivered and he is giving the public a hint. I give him full marks for honesty and could give two hoots for a DNA sponsored Central contract. YK has done nothing wrong here and neither does the public think so either.

161

5th July 2008, 22:23

As for me hating YK, why; he does his job well, is supremely fit, takes the team to victory and is usually always there at the end and does not feign injuries...unlike a certain Ferrari!

oh u don't hate YK .. is that why u just called him a village idiot and now u quickly type up some stuff to get away from ur original position.

u've been posting here for a while and most people here have figured out the monsee worldview:

people who like shoaib: bad
people who don't like shoaib: good

Mohsin

5th July 2008, 22:26

people who don't like shoaib: good
people who like shoaib: bad

People who like Faisal Iqbal: ugly!

Monsee

6th July 2008, 02:03

oh u don't hate YK .. is that why u just called him a village idiot and now u quickly type up some stuff to get away from ur original position.

u've been posting here for a while and most people here have figured out the monsee worldview:

people who like shoaib: bad
people who don't like shoaib: good

First of all, I have great admiration for YK the player (except for when he has barely walked on to the crease and plays a foolish shot to get out first ball...which he used to do quite often in the past)...but YK the person has some serious issues like the captaincy and dummy kuuptaan tirade, and then I want to be captain and now I don't want to be etc.

I earlier called him the village idiot because of his fast english and how he says things that sometime don't make any sense like:

'Geoff Lawson doesn’t play role in troubled times: Younis Khan KARACHI: The senior player and the stylish batsman of Pakistan Cricket Team Younis Khan said on Friday that coach of national team Geoff Lawson did not play his role in time of need and left all the crucial matters upon players.

“Pakistan team needs Shoaib Akhter and Muhammad Asif however they have to improvise their fitness level"

WTH is improvising one's fitness level and what does that have to do with Lawson?

As for me and my writing style; I think you should be worried about yours...as all you do these days is drag DNA and Malik in every post somehow (as indicated very rightly by feather in the thread about Malik)...you are fast becoming like a 'Very Old Maasi ' who does nothing but whine all day!

If that is what floats your baot, I am happy for you

fair_dinkum

6th July 2008, 02:20

no srsly savak, how can you say its appropriate for YK to go to the media!?

OZGOD

6th July 2008, 04:47

Only in Pakistan must it be seen as not destabilising to a team for a team member to make comments to the media about how the coach is sh!t.

Imagine the following scenarios:

Cristiano Ronaldo: "We could be doing better if Ferguson was a better man-manager"

Kobe Bryant: "If Phil Jackson knew how to make proper substitutions we would have won the NBA Championships"

Tendy: "If Kirsten had decided to play me in that match vs Pakistan we would have not had to worry about beating SL to make the final"

Jayawardene: "If Trevor Bayliss hadn't rested Vaas I'm sure we would have beaten India easily. We were short a bowler"

Tom Brady: "If Belichick had attacked a bit more, our season would have been 29-0 instead of 28-1 and we would have won the Superbowl"

Michael Ballack: "If Joachim Low had decided to play more strikers up front we would have been able to beat Spain. Low's not the best when it comes to attacking football"

161

6th July 2008, 05:23

Tom Brady: "If Belichick had attacked a bit more, our season would have been 29-0 instead of 28-1 and we would have won the Superbowl"

:)) :))

bit tipsy when u posted this ?

UsmanhailsAfridi

6th July 2008, 06:03

clearly the case of 'player bigger than the team'...

younis knows they cant kick him out bc he is the backbone of pakistan batting...so he says what pleases him...

i wonder what would happen if it was salman but saying such things...

on the contrary...whats the guarantee that this is exactly what he said....maybe he meant something else n the media portrayed it to be something else...

Savak

6th July 2008, 08:29

no srsly savak, how can you say its appropriate for YK to go to the media!?

Cause Lawson just got a vote of confidence from the PCB chairman. The same Lawson who embarrassed his team and himself in a press conference a few days ago. YK and the entire Pakistani team will have to stick with a coach who i personally believe is so incompetent that beeing 7-8 months in his job he is yet to improve the sides fast bowling even though he was a fast bowler himself, has yet to improve a single player. He doesnt provide any sort of help, tactics, strategies, inputs during periods of crisis and difficulties. This is not the first time we have heard this about Lawson, the feedback the NCA coaching staff gave about him wasnt very encouraging either.

The senior players must have raised their grievances about Lawson but despite all the problems in the team, the PCB still goes ahead and persists with Lawson. Lawson keeps on telling the PCB that the senior players are the problem. The public is demanding an answer from the seniors as to why the team, captain and coach is not delivering. The PCB hasnt done jack to listen to the grievances of its players. So what doe YK do? He tells the public the truth.

HeartOfPak

6th July 2008, 08:49

he obviously meant that when things get tough - its not Lawson that makes a difference but the players (and hence he wants the quality in Akhtar and Asif back)! His point was simple enough lol

saj786

6th July 2008, 09:04

he obviously meant that when things get tough - its not Lawson that makes a difference but the players (and hence he wants the quality in Akhtar and Asif back)! His point was simple enough loly.k has a valid point, if the going gets tough and lawsons clueless then his position as a coach comes under the spotlight, like i said before why did the pcb appoint a former commentator into leading coach role is staggering ;-)