So Indians are the best players of spin?

[itduzz]

aahahahahahahahah :)))

:miandad

[cars112]

:))) :))) :))) :))) :))) :)))

[purplehaze]

Indians still are best players of spin. Tournament finals are exceptions. ;)

[aggarwald]

Even the so called "poor" batting lineups of Bengalis and WI recently played Ajantha better than the dismal show by Indians today. Why, I believe the Windies even won the series against SL when Ajantha was playing. Icing on the cake today was Ishant Sharma while facing Ajantha asking the non-striker batsman which way the ball spun :O These guys had no effing clue which way the ball was going.

Just because Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly play spin well doesn't mean that these new bunch of players are good players of spin. In fact, I have seen Dhoni, Yuvi and Gambhir always struggle against good sping bowling. The only decent player of spin in Indian line up is perhaps Sehwag.

Only if Ajantha had played in the league match, India probably wouldn't have made it to the finals.

[Mohsin]

C'mon man, they have the best bowling line-up in the world
the have the best fielders
and they are the best players of spin in the world

furthermore they are also the best...



















chokers!

[Foozee]

honestly speaking, they are the best.... if this wasn't the final...they wudve destroyed Mendis.... pressure of final go to them as it usually does in finals....chokers

[Eagle Eyes]

Ian Chappel said ... finally two best teams are in the final. My ass.... Sri Lanka was smart, they knew that Pakistan can pull it off, and aren't as sucky as the Indians in the spin department.

[lollol]

If u analyze their performance, ull see why they did even worse than bangladesh & pakistan

- Gambhir: wasnt already out before the spinner came on.
- Chacha sehwag: wanted to go after him after the 1st ball, a bit arrogant
- Raina: too young to play magic spin of mendis, but got annoyed and played a nothing shot out of frustration
- Yuvraj: i thought he would last 3 balls from Mendis, and he lasted 2 balls. He cant play spin at all
- Dhoni: couldnt pick him either, but didnt gave his wicket away
- Sharma: too inexperienced to play his magic spin
- Uthappa: the most crap batsmen to have played for india

[PlanetPakistan]

People like Laxman and Tendulkar were obviously a lot better.

Yuvraj is THE worst Indian batsman of spin of at least the last 15 years.

[lollol]

There is something seriously wrong with India's performance in finals

I think they are jinxed by something..

[cars112]

People like Laxman and Tendulkar were obviously a lot better.

Yuvraj is THE worst Indian batsman of spin of at least the last 15 years.

Laxman and Tendulkar are in their mid-30's and will be retiring soon. On the other hand Yuvraj (and the others who got exposed by Mendis will be around for long).

My point is that is if the reputation on being good against spin is based on Tendulkar and Laxman (and others of their generation) then it hardly applies now. We should go be going by the performance of the current generation and on their evidence they are very poor, as bad as the likes of WI/England against spin etc. The commentators keep going on about great against spin etc. when clearly as you say guys like Yuvraj can't play spin to save their lives.

[cars112]

If u analyze their performance, ull see why they did even worse than bangladesh & pakistan

- Gambhir: wasnt already out before the spinner came on.
- Chacha sehwag: wanted to go after him after the 1st ball, a bit arrogant
- Raina: too young to play magic spin of mendis, but got annoyed and played a nothing shot out of frustration
- Yuvraj: i thought he would last 3 balls from Mendis, and he lasted 2 balls. He cant play spin at all
- Dhoni: couldnt pick him either, but didnt gave his wicket away
- Sharma: too inexperienced to play his magic spin
- Uthappa: the most crap batsmen to have played for india

Good post. This is the group of players which will be representing India in the coming years, especially when the 35+ guys retire in the next 2 years. These guys are weak against spin and should be described so (just as England is), rather than these commentator cliches like "world's best against spin" etc.

[Bublu Bhuyan]

People like Laxman and Tendulkar were obviously a lot better.

Yuvraj is THE worst Indian batsman of spin of at least the last 15 years.
100.1 % true.

[WasimG]

People like Laxman and Tendulkar were obviously a lot better.

Yuvraj is THE worst Indian batsman of spin of at least the last 15 years.
Exactly.

India might still be the best players of spin but I'm surprised Mendis wasn't as effective vs us. We cant be far behind at playing spin.

Q: Are we the best reverse sweepers of spin?

[W63L35]

Before we jump on Indian batsmen for not being able to play "spin" today.... can we spare a thought for Mendis who is NOT your traditional spinner. Yes, historically Indian batsmen have been relatively better players of spin (e.g. Warne on India and Aus), but Mendis is totally from a different league. I'd wait till either Indian batsmen figure him out in next series or Mendis re-affirms his potential being a spinner of totally exceptional qualities.

[cars112]

Exactly.

India might still be the best players of spin but I'm surprised Mendis wasn't as effective vs us. We cant be far behind at playing spin.

Q: Are we the best reverse sweepers of spin?

I think YK, Moyo and (obviously retired now) Inzi are as naturally gifted against spin as any

[jusarrived]

we have a test series against SL coming , will be interested to see how we play mendis then .....our current lot may not be as good as tendu , dravid , laxman & ganguly , but still better than the rest of the world ....yuvi is without a doubt is weak againt spinners , but the rest are eirther very good or decent !

[McBoom]

Dhoni & Ghambir are better players of spin, and also Sehwag to some extent. The rest are just average players of spin except THE UV. He is can't play spin at all.

[bobbybhai]

Comeon Mendis bowled well, the top order wasn't that bad against spin.

[cars112]

we have a test series against SL coming , will be interested to see how we play mendis then

It will certainly be interesting to see how Mendis gets on in Tests, not just against India but the other sides too. His FC average is outstanding and he'll probably do well. Murali and Mendis together on a turning pitch...whoa!

[lollol]

we have a test series against SL coming , will be interested to see how we play mendis then .....our current lot may not be as good as tendu , dravid , laxman & ganguly , but still better than the rest of the world ....yuvi is without a doubt is weak againt spinners , but the rest are eirther very good or decent !
The thing with Mendis is, as said many times earlier, he cant be classified as normal spin.

Indian batsmen can read off murali's hand/position if he is going to bowl the doosra, but with Mendis his change of action is very small. They might want to read him from the pitch, like Yuvraj tried...

Fact is that his action doesnt change alot, i think the role of the video analysis is MUCH greater than the batsmen themselves...

And India will be facing SL soon, and especially after this heavy defeat, its gonna be indian video analysts who will play a big role. Can they crack the code? Can they spot some significant change in his action, which can be seen 20 yards away from him, every time he bowls his googlie? This will play a huge role, and expect the indian video analysts already working on it, and that it will cost them alot of time ;-)


Can only imagine how succesful he wouldve been years ago, when video analysis wasnt used that much.

[cars112]

Can only imagine how succesful he wouldve been years ago, when video analysis wasnt used that much.

lollol, I do know what you're saying - but to be fair this applies to pretty much every batsman and bowler who has played in the post-video analysis age. Don't get me wrong, some bowlers are obviously harder to identify without videos, but what I'm saying is that technically ALL bowlers have been more closely scrutinized.

[Atif]

After todays performance, it reflects that india are the worst players of spin

[lollol]

Agree, it wouldve hurt alot cricketers, but these spinners like Mendis even more.

Only because Mendis action doesnt change alot, video analysis will play a relatively bigger role than video analysis by some ordinary leggie.

They should ban video analysis :P

[cars112]

Agree, it wouldve hurt alot cricketers, but these spinners like Mendis even more.

Only because Mendis action doesnt change alot, video analysis will play a relatively bigger role than video analysis by some ordinary leggie.

They should ban video analysis :P

:))

But seriously, at the end of the day, you can see all the videos you want, facing a bowler in the middle is an entirely different proposition. Of course the preparedness helps, but I suspect the lesser players would forget the preparation in the heat of the battle regardless, whereas the good players would find a way to dominate irrespective of preparation levels.

[sohaib17]

lol


i thought Pak players were very bad players of spin but no i was wrong Indians made Pak batsmen looked spin gods as even shoaib malik read Mendis pretty well as well as Misbah but OMFG these so called best player of spin looked to me some gali crickters

very sad very very sad

Pak only gave him 4 wickets and also 42 runs but indians lol 6 -13

we were chasing even bigger target and only lost by 60 runs we were chasing 301 whereas indians ....... i don have to say anything


thats why i say u still need a bit more expeirenced players at the top someone like Dravid or Tendulkar who some what know to tackle spin

[161]

Indians are best players of our spin perhaps.

[Rickz]

I still think India is one of the best, Proberley in the top two. Mendis will take some working out. I think most top batsmen would've struggled against him.

[161]

I think India are too reliant on Ghambir and Sehwag and there just isn't much experience below them.

India got rid of too many senior batsmen too quickly.

They need at least one of Tendu, Ganguly or Dravid in their ODI team.

[lollol]

Tendu IS still in their team, and when fit, will always play :)

[WasimG]

I think India are too reliant on Ghambir and Sehwag and there just isn't much experience below them.

India got rid of too many senior batsmen too quickly.

They need at least one of Tendu, Ganguly or Dravid in their ODI team.
I think their batting is fine. They did win the VB series in Australia. Today Mendis could have troubled the all time Indian XI. (they're all chokers anyway)

What do Gambhir and Sehwag have to do to give other batsmen experience? Get out on purpose? Yuvi, Raina, Sharma and Dhoni are all very talented in their own ways.

[Kriketer]

Here's a Million $ question for you guys.

Who's the biggest choker in the finals?

a, India
b, Hindustan
c, Bharat
d, Maha-Bharat
e, All of the above :)))

[WasimG]

Here's a Million $ question for you guys.

Who's the biggest choker in the finals?

a, India
b, Hindustan
c, Bharat
d, Maha-Bharat
e, All of the above :)))


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[Random Aussie]

I see the YUVI lasted 2 balls against Mendis :))) :)))

But was he "aggressive with body language"? :D

[Mapleleafs]

India got rid of too many senior batsmen too quickly.

They need at least one of Tendu, Ganguly or Dravid in their ODI team.

I agree.

IMO, Mendis just showed the difference between

Yuvraj
Raina
Dhoni

Vs

Tendu
Ganguly
Dravid

[switchblade]

People like Laxman and Tendulkar were obviously a lot better.

Yuvraj is THE worst Indian batsman of spin of at least the last 15 years.


Yuvraj cant pay spin even if his life depended on it..

[switchblade]

Can I use a lifeline? I want to call my friend jusarrived in India.


At least we reached finals :D :P

[cars112]

I think India are too reliant on Ghambir and Sehwag and there just isn't much experience below them.

India got rid of too many senior batsmen too quickly.

They need at least one of Tendu, Ganguly or Dravid in their ODI team.

Kashif, Yuvraj has played almost 200 ODIs and Dhoni has played 100, so I don't think there is any lack of experience. Even Raina has played 40 or so games, which is not a small number.

The Indian batting definitely catipulated badly yesterday but you would have to say it was excellent Mendis bowling/poor Indian batting rather than a lack of experience.

[XFactor]

I think Mendis should be given a lot of credit. Mahela too, for keeping him as a suprise package and bringing him on during the powerplays.

The batsmen just couldnt read him. It was a mesmerizing spell to watch, I must say. Sometime the batsmen played for spin that wasnt there, or were just too nervous to go forward - they were trying to read the ball off the pitch which was quite risky considering that Mendis was bowling straight at the stumps most of the time.

It was in a sense quite refreshing to see the spinner come up trumps ( the disappointment as an Indian notwithstanding ) against a supposedly strong batting line up - packed with seven batsmen!

Three things worked here for sure. 1) Mendis magic 2) the surprise factor 3 ) panic after the 2 wkt over and then the famous choke.

Mendis has a bright future, but I will also be keen to see how he performs in the second season by which time batsmen around the world will have seen enough videos of him and analysed his unconventional bowling methods.

A well deserved victory for Sri Lanka . I had no clue on what was coming when Sehwag was blasting away and the score was 78 for 1 of 9 overs or so.

[Indiagem]

Can I use a lifeline? I want to call my friend jusarrived in India.
lol :))) :)))

[Bublu Bhuyan]

Tendu IS still in their team, and when fit, will always play :)
Actually Tendulkar didn't play because practically these 2 series were not worth his effort. I mean in the Kitply Cup it was Bangladesh and Pakistan, India had to face. If the youngsters need Tendulkar for such series, then what would happen once he retires ? Also, the Asia Cup involved more than just a couple of minnow teams.

Tendulkar is eying the Sri Lankan tour which is far more important these games (from his perspective).

And there is no excuse for the youngsters. If they choke the way they did yesterday, they don't even deserve any seniors helping hand. They aren't kids who can't do anything without helping hands.