PPL season 2 planning thread...

[Mohsin]

Well yeah folks, like the title says this is the thread which will aim to make PPL better then the inaugural tournament!

We got off to a great start in PPs first cricsim project with some cracking teams, cracking matches and cracking coverage (thanks to FAM and Blazer:)!)

But what for the next tourny? What will be the changes?(if any!) What will be the format? What will be the coverage?

WHEN WILL IT TAKE PLACE?????????

So many questions, so little.................well actually quite a bit of time!:D

So folks, lets got together (especially team captains) and see what we can do to make this better and bigger!

Issue 1: What about the teams? Well they be the same, or will team captains have the chance to bring in a couple players?

Issue 2: When will the next tourny take place? How about early August (maybe to coincide with Independence Day!)?

Issue 3: Will it be an F50 again, do you guys want T20? If it aint broke, dont fix it??

:):)
:miandad :miandad

[Straight Bat]

FAM came out with a gem of an idea to bring in our own currency which will allow us to bid on players and improve squads.

That means that we will be able to change squads etc, but what are the regulations on squad sizes? Do we stick to maximum of 6internationals per squad and what about max number of domestic players per squad?

[Mohsin]

FAM came out with a gem of an idea to bring in our own currency which will allow us to bid on players and improve squads.

Thats a good idea, i remember talking with you about that during the draft period. The thing with that is, how are we gonna calculate how much each player costs? Will it be based in his batting and bowling average??

That means that we will be able to change squads etc, but what are the regulations on squad sizes? Do we stick to maximum of 6internationals per squad and what about max number of domestic players per squad?

Maybe we should keep a set number in regards to squad sizes, not too big, not too small. How about 15?? I like the 6 internationals per squad, but what if we were to make it 6 local players per squad? This would give everyone a chance (unlike this time round, where some people had to miss out and could only play 1 max 2 games)

[Straight Bat]

Mohsin, this was FAM's idea:

I have few ideas, but we don't have to do exactly that. Whatever majority chooses. I will post a thread on it after the finals, but I was thinking to have actual bidding using PP currency (Our runs and wickets. 1 run= 1pp, 1 wicket=10pp). First those interested in having teams would bid on teams (100pp increment). Like I bid on Multan using 100pp, you can outbid me using 200pp, and if no one bid on it within 24 hours, then the team is yours. Same goes for the players. 1pp for Domestic players, and 100p for International players. Like I bid on Hari using 1pp, and on Shane Watson using 100pp, you can outbid me bidding on Hari using 2pp, and on Shane Watson using 200pp. You can also partner with one person and then you guys can combine your pp currency and bid, kinda like owner and co-owner. I was also thinking to allow only those international players, who have played at least 5 ODI's. In that case we will use their ODI stats. If they haven't played 5 ODI's, then they must have played at least 10 List A matches. In that case we will use their List A stats. If both these conditions don't meet, then they are not eligible for selection. This is to avoid 1 match, 50 average batsman... Same can be said for the bowlers.

What do you think?

I think it's a good system tbh

[Mohsin]

Mohsin, this was FAM's idea:



I think it's a good system tbh

Yeah SB i like it. The only reservations i would have about it is the confusing nature of the bids. This is to say, we'll have to make sure all captains are aware of what time the bids will take place etc. That, or we give a 24 hour time limit for each player bid but that would be long...

If we do spend our runs/wickets then to make things interesting for the next tourny we could have a prize for the winning captain. We could offer a certain number of runs/wickets (as long as its fine with the mods and others) to inject a real 'prize' as to speak. It'll make it REALLY interesting!:)

btw, FAM sorry bhai about making the thread. I didnt see your post mate, sorry:)

[pakistanbest]

how does this all work. i waspart of mohsins team punjab but never got a try so wha is this all about cause tbh i dont know what is going on?..lol

[Mohsin]

how does this all work. i waspart of mohsins team punjab but never got a try so wha is this all about cause tbh i dont know what is going on?..lol

Yeah pakistanbest, sorry about that mate you got a chance in our last game against Rawalpindi though:)
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=59429

To find out more about this, have a look at the main thread. Also look at the various threads in the PP leagues forum!:)

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=58228

[iZeeshan]

I think, firstly, we should bring in a new team. And sack a manager who's not active, because honestly, I don't see a point in making a captain who doesn't care. I am sorry Blazer, maybe you had other commitments, but no comments on the match? Khair, we can leave that maybe for season 3, for sacking managers, but for now we should bring in a new team.

And only 15 players per squad me thinks. That means 6 internationals, and 9 domestic people. We are free to drop whoever we want into free agency, and release them from our squad. That's my idea.

After the finals, I think we should have a thread, where everyone posts their new squads, which can be of 15, or 11 or even 9. You are free to drop whoever you like, which includes domestic players and international players. Now, all hope is not lost for those players. They can be picked up by the new team that we bring in. So, after the finals, I think we should have all 5 managers post who they want to get rid of, and post a complete squad of whoever is left.

Then we need to auction off for a new team and confirm if the 5 managers that we already have, want to play in the new season. If we have someone leaving, then we can auction off two teams, or someone, who is very active, like FAM, can leave their team and form a new franchise.

So far so good? Feel free to comment and make changes.

[Straight Bat]

I don't know how the Multan team would feel about this but I'd be interested in signing up to take control of a new franchise and name it Peshawar.


Just a couple questions then:

Will there be an opportunity for me to bid for a franchise?

How many other people are looking to own their own franchise?

[Straight Bat]

And the typical thing that will happen now is that I will not get a team to own and Multan will probably discard me and I'll have no where to play and that would lead to the end of my interest in cricsim!

This is what the honest man gets :))

[Hari Sombar]

I like the idea of transferring players :)

[iZeeshan]

:))) :))) @ SB!

Sb, you can leave your team and start a new franchise.

[Straight Bat]

Lets see if FAM will confirm this! If he does then I'm going to be excited but sad to leave Multan aswell!

[iZeeshan]

I dunno if you want to leave Multan though, because then the managing of Multan might take a downfall?

Also, let's confirm with all the managers first if they are staying for the next season.

[Straight Bat]

Bunty, hari, Saj and Savak are all active at Multan!

Yeah ok, I mean theres plenty of time still and this issue can be resolved after the best of 3 finals is over.

[iZeeshan]

Ah arite then. Ok, so Ima create a new thread for confirmation for future managers.

Btw, when are the next 2 finals?

[iZeeshan]

Okay guys, we have to decide one final thing.

How will new players be added to the squad?

Personally, I think the currency thing is complicated and should be avoided but if you guys want to then its fine. Because, with the currency, you have to decide how people actually have money and how do they get more. If we were to go ahead with this, I think everyone should be allotted a certain amout, with a little extra for the champions, and a little more for the runners up.

Depending on how the worth of players comes up, we can allot something like, $7500, $6000, and then $5000 each for the 3 other franchises.

Comments please, and we should make a descion ASAP, so guys please try to respond quickly. I am hoping for SB, Buntylover, FAM, and Mohsin to respond as they are the major proponents in PPL.

As for trading, I think no money/contracts or anything like that should be involved. You are free to trade whoever for whoever with whoever.

Comments.

[Straight Bat]

If we want to go start season 2 quickly I think we should avoid the currency thing. However, if FAM has plans for it which are concrete then it will probably work and we should wait for them to be unveiled.

Another idea is for everyone to just post the line up of players they do not deff want to discard in the other thread izee started and then that will let us see the amount of trades which owners are wanting to do. After that, we can have another draft where all the owners who are wanting to trade can be incorportated and then let the people finalise their squads.

[iZeeshan]

Right, so then we can have the players that are dropped right into free agency where anyone can pick them up.

We don't have to start it quickly. Hopefully in at least a week though.

So what should be the next plan of action?

[Straight Bat]

Those are just my thoughts, FAM is planning to post here aswell so lets see his ideas!

[iZeeshan]

Arite that sounds great. I am also about to create a thread for free agency. I just created one one trades.

[FAM]

Alright, here is my plan:

When we started the season, all domestic players had same attributes, means there was no difference between them, but after this season, we know who's become Sachin Tendulkar, Shane Warne, and Wasim Akram. The real thing starts now, and hence comes my idea of bidding.

I see none of you want to give up your teams, but I am strongly against teams having the same players they had in the season 1, because of the reason above. There should be bidding for every player.

The bidding thing would work in the following way (For players):

1) I will post a thread saying that the bidding window has started, and all team owners first make a post with their PP currency.

2) Then you will go to your own profile and copy the amount of posts and wickets, and then you will post like this (Note 1 run =1 ppc, 1 wicket=10ppc):

Team Name: Multan Mughals
Owner: Straight Bat
PPCurrency: 5,283 runs, 32 wickets. 5603ppc
Co-Owner: None
PPCurrency: 0ppc
Total: 5603ppc

Team Name: Karachi Khanjars
Owner: iZeeshan
PPCurrency: 17236 runs, 225 wickets. 19486ppc
Co-Owner: None
PPCurrency: 0ppc
Total: 19486ppc

There shouldn't be any editting of these posts!!!

3) After everyone has posted, I will post again, allowing you to bid on players.

For example iZee bids for the following players in his first post:

Owner: iZeeshan
Total: 19486ppc

Bids on:
Michael Hussey - 100ppc
MS Dhoni - 100ppc
Shoaib Malik - 100ppc
Monsee - 1 ppc
Raz - 1 ppc
PlanetPakistan - 1 ppc

Currency Left= 19486-303=19183


If no one else bids on the above players within 24 hours, then iZee takes them, but let's say SB wants to bid on some of the above players, and some new:

Team Name: Multan Mughals
Owner: Straight Bat
Total: 5603ppc
Bids on:
Michael Hussey - 200ppc (iZee)
MS Dhoni - 200ppc (iZee)
Monsee - 2 ppc (iZee)
Raz - 2 ppc (iZee)
WasimG - 1 ppc

Currency Left= 5603-405=5198

Now again, if no one bids on the above players within 24 hours, then SB will take them. IZee's name in the bracket indicates that he is having a bidding war with iZee.

But let's say, iZee makes another post:

Owner: iZeeshan
Total: 19486ppc

Bids on:
Michael Hussey - 300ppc (SB)
MS Dhoni - 300ppc (SB)
Monsee - 10 ppc (SB)
Raz - 10 ppc (SB)

Currency Left= 19486-620=18866


Lets say now no one bids on the above players within 24 hours, so iZee takes them, and his new currency for the next bidding becomes 18866.

I will post more, but that's the basic idea.

[iZeeshan]

I love the idea, but shouldn't we be allowed to keep like 3 of our stars? Kind of like in a keeper league in Fantasy Football, where you are allowed to keep three of your players, and redraft the rest? I mean, we DID discover the gems in season 1 such as Monsee and PlanetPakistan for me, so I think I should be able to keep them.

Just remember, I am not bashing your idea. Just posting some reformations to come up with something perfect.

So yea, like I said, we should be able to keep TWO/THREE DOMESTIC players. All the international ones can be repicked/bidded on.

Also, why are the domestic players worth so much less then the international ones? I mean I know the domestic ones start at 1, and internationals at 100, but honestly, I think domestic players, for me, have been A LOT more valuable then international ones, like Monsee was far more important for me then say, Shahid Afridi.

So, I propose that each player's value be made its current average in whatever he does. Such as Monsee's bidding would start at 99. And for bowlers, their bowling average would be SUBTRACTED from 99, like Umar Gul would be worth 75 or something.

And also, the fact that I have so much currency and SB has so little...isn't that a bit unfair for the rest, because me and Easa have far more posts then anyone else, so we could practically monopolize everything.

That's why I think everyone should start with the same amount.

So here are my three proposals:

1. Everyone gets to keep two domestic players, and one international player.
2. Everyone starts with exact same amount of money, with Karachi getting a little extra, and Lahore a little more then that.
3. Every player's bidding starts at HALF their average.

[Straight Bat]

Gentlemen, can I open a thread for Peshawar Princes in the midst of all this or will it over complicate?

I have a list of 9 domestic players who are not contracted for any teamst that I want to play for me and I will bid for the international players in the way FAM suggested above.

[Mohsin]

If they are players that are not contracted, then i think it'll be better for you if you wait until you know who your international players are. But i have no problems if you want to create your thread:)

[Straight Bat]

I've already created in on word and stuff but haven't posted it because I don't know if FAM can incorporate a new team into the set up.

Also, I didn't think I should bid for domestic players this time around because it would mean that the current pool of players would be shared by 6 not 5 teams and would mean there could be a shortage.

[iZeeshan]

Straight Bat, what do you think of my proposals above?

And I suggest that you don't take any action for a new team until we have confirmation from Easa about his team becasue he has been very inactive. Even if Blazer refuses, they have imran, but Rawalpindi got no one.

[Straight Bat]

I agree with your proposals, and ofcourse even if a team wants to keep as many players as possible, atleast they are assured 3 of their players and can concentrate on bidding on the others and keeping them!

[FAM]

I love the idea, but shouldn't we be allowed to keep like 3 of our stars? Kind of like in a keeper league in Fantasy Football, where you are allowed to keep three of your players, and redraft the rest? I mean, we DID discover the gems in season 1 such as Monsee and PlanetPakistan for me, so I think I should be able to keep them.

Ok, sounds cool to me.

Also, why are the domestic players worth so much less then the international ones? I mean I know the domestic ones start at 1, and internationals at 100, but honestly, I think domestic players, for me, have been A LOT more valuable then international ones, like Monsee was far more important for me then say, Shahid Afridi.

It's because domestic players average fluctuate, international players average don't. For example, Monsee's real average a couple matches ago was 300+ I think. Now his average is exactly 99. If he scores less than 99 in the next match, his average will go down further. More matches your player play, more realistic averages you see. I was thinking for a long term with his rule, but I get your point.

So, I propose that each player's value be made its current average in whatever he does. Such as Monsee's bidding would start at 99. And for bowlers, their bowling average would be SUBTRACTED from 99, like Umar Gul would be worth 75 or something.

That's cool to me.

And also, the fact that I have so much currency and SB has so little...isn't that a bit unfair for the rest, because me and Easa have far more posts then anyone else, so we could practically monopolize everything.

In the real world, richer gets more than the poorer, so why not here? :P But I get your point.

So here are my three proposals:

1. Everyone gets to keep two domestic players, and one international player.
2. Everyone starts with exact same amount of money, with Karachi getting a little extra, and Lahore a little more then that.
3. Every player's bidding starts at HALF their average.

Good ideas there. Let's go for them. ;-)

My only and main concern is that we SHOULD involve more people in this. We should make more people participate in this. Lots of people, who were actually playing this season, didn't know much about it, which was sad. And if we are having an extra team, then we should have more domestic players. May be have a pinned thread in the 'Cricket'' forum to inform people how this works and all. This is a cricket forum after all. People will be interested in participating in this if they know what this is about.

Also, I think the max number of players per team should be 18. May be have a limit on international player signups, but there should be more domestic players, because as I said above, more matches you play, more realistic averages you see, and you might struggle in the later stage of the tournament, if you don't have extra domestic players.

[Straight Bat]

I've already created in on word and stuff but haven't posted it because I don't know if FAM can incorporate a new team into the set up.

Also, I didn't think I should bid for domestic players this time around because it would mean that the current pool of players would be shared by 6 not 5 teams and would mean there could be a shortage.

So FAM, whats your final word?

Can I create this new franchise or not?

Like I said, I've got a list of 9 domestic players that I want and they are all new so that will play well with your idea of widening cricsim to more people. Also like I said, I will bid for my 6 internationals in the trading thing just like the other people.


Side note to all: We still agree that max squad is 15, 9 domestic 6 international, yeah?

[FAM]

So FAM, whats your final word?

Can I create this new franchise or not?

Like I said, I've got a list of 9 domestic players that I want and they are all new so that will play well with your idea of widening cricsim to more people. Also like I said, I will bid for my 6 internationals in the trading thing just like the other people.


Side note to all: We still agree that max squad is 15, 9 domestic 6 international, yeah?

And did those 9 players actually sign up for it, and know what is this about?

By widening cricsim to more people, I meant actually making people sign up for it, so we could have more participation in the threads instead of having just two people if you know what I mean...

So may be have a sign up thread first to get more players? What do you say?

[Straight Bat]

Nope I just picked posters and was planning on getting a mod to PM them and ask them to come to my thread etc

I can start a sign up thread if you want but what else will they be signing up for? All the other teams aswell or just the new franchise?

[FAM]

Well, it could be just one signup thread for those who are interested in playing, and any team could pick them in the biddings. To be honest, I want people to sign up for it themselves, instead of getting forced, because with the latter there would be no participation again.

[FAM]

I gotta go now. Will check this thread tomorrow.

[Straight Bat]

But the only problem is that if I start a new franchise now it will have no players and if I just start trading with noone now on the same basis as the other guys I might end up with significantly less players because my money would be used to recruit 9 new domestic and 6 new intnl players where as another owner from last year might have to recruit only 4 players.

[iZeeshan]

Its very hard to see where to go from here.

We need more people that are active. Obviously, for now, we can't have all the domestic players active. That's impossible. but we should create a thread in the cricket forum, notifying all the current domestic players in the game that they are playing for a team and stuff once the final line ups are decided.

Sb, like I said, once we are confirmed that Easa is still interested, we can go ahead with it. We need TEN people, two from each team that are really up for it.

Btw, FAM is on Easa's team, so he can take control of Rawalpindi if Easa can't be that active with it.

Once we have 5 captains and 5 vice captain confirmed, one for each team, then you can start a new franchise SB. I think its all in the best interests of the league.

[pakistanbest]

Yeah pakistanbest, sorry about that mate you got a chance in our last game against Rawalpindi though:)
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=59429

To find out more about this, have a look at the main thread. Also look at the various threads in the PP leagues forum!:)

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=58228

mohsin mate sorry to keep troubling u, but i jst dont understand how it all works how did i score 21 runs? :20:

[iZeeshan]

Dude, its basically a cricket simulator. You are a virtual player in a program called cricsim. I don't feel like explaining.

[McBoom]

Guys this whole talk about transfers and bidding would take all the energy out of the members and would take forever to complete resulting in the loss of interest from many of the participants. The last league went pretty smoothly and our mantra should be 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.

If you allow the bidding thing then the stronger teams (having more points) would get stronger and the weak teams would get weaker as they will be keep getting outbidded by the stronger teams. As of yet we don't even have a fix set of rules regarding bidding/transfers and I think we don't necessarily need all these complications as it will take forever to finalize these rules and get it approved form the manager, captain & vice captain of each team. Its much more better to use our intelligence & team work in formulating the squads, managing the team, team planning, and picking the final XI based on the situation.

So lets just announce the squads and get on with the game. Right now we have the following rules and we should stick to them:
- 15 members per squad comprising of 9 local & 6 international players.
- 5 internationals are allowed at max in a playing eleven.

If somone wants to create another team (Peshawar, Sialkot, Quetta etc) then this is also good.

[iZeeshan]

Hmm, I understand your point, but the bidding thing makes it a lot more interesting, especially if all the captains are very involved.

But I also want to agree with what you say.

Let's see what FAM and SB have to say.

if they agree, then I think what we should do is just forget the bidding and have a thread where everyone posts their squads after their unwanted players have been dropped.

This we have to do imran, because people want to change their squads.

Also, I don't think trading is that difficult. In fact it is very easy, so I think trading we will stick with, we will, however, if agreed by SB and FAM, get rid of the bidding.

The new proposal:

1. Allow trading in the thread already created.
2. Scrap bidding.
3. Allow people to drop whoever they want, and pick up new players.
4. After all trades have been finalized and players that are to be dropped are dropped, have a new DRAFT to fill up remaining spots.

?

[McBoom]

Yeah I agree that trading/exchange of players can be done easily as compared to the bidding process. The new proposals that you have made is quite agreeable and I would take it a step forward by proposing the following procedure.

1. Announce the new squads and also mention the players dropped from the squad in case any one wants to select them in their teams.
2. Create a trading thread for each team, for example if I want to trade one of my players with a player from the Karachi team than I would post my request in the 'Karachi Khanjars trading thread'.
3. Close trading after 3-4 days.
4. Draft in players if any positions are left and finalize the squad.
5. Begin tournament.

[iZeeshan]

I know exactly what you mean, but I have a few concerns. Making a new thread each time, would be too complicated. So I have made one single thread, where everything can be taken care of.

Also, the announcing of new squads must be done soon. In fact what I am doing is creating a "PPL Free Agency" where each team posts all the players they are going to drop. From there, players can be picked up also. There will be 3 days allotted for this. Meanwhile, trading is also going to be going on for a week. Once that is done, we start a draft, finalize squads, and we're done.

yeap, I think that works well.

Free Agency and Trading begins NOW

(we don't need approval for this as we have already agreed on this from before. The bidding process is the one that needs to be scrapped and needs approval from SB and FAM.)

[McBoom]

No I wasn't saying that make a new thread for every exchange, I was saying that if there are five teams then there should be five threads of trading. In this way each team can monitor their respective threads to see if somone wants to trade with them.

[iZeeshan]

I know that what you meant, and I don't know if its such a good idea, but I guess if people want to do it, its fine.

[Legendary_Sage]

Its becoming very confusing now.
Why dont we keep it simple.
Would Any one like to answer my Questions.
1- If i want to drop few domestic players from my team what is the process and how can i get new fresh domestic players.
2-what is procedure for getting international players and dropping few of my international players which are not contracted by other team.
3-How to bargain for the international players who are already contracted by other team.

[Hari Sombar]

Wow, whats happening ?? lol

[Legendary_Sage]

Hari i am still confused whats going on.

[McBoom]

Thats why I proposed that these new rules will just complicate things as it is hard to agree on rules that haven't been tested yet.

If you ask my opinion, we all should just announce our new squads. If we want to drop any players (local or international) then just mention the list of dropped players when you pick your new squad so that other teams can have a chance of choosing the dropped players.

And if you want to add a new PP or international player in your team then just add it, simple.

I am not sure how the bargain thing will work as you only would want to get good players and no body wants to give a good player to the other team.

[Legendary_Sage]

Thats why I proposed that these new rules will just complicate things as it is hard to agree on rules that haven't been tested yet.

If you ask my opinion, we all should just announce our new squads. If we want to drop any players (local or international) then just mention the list of dropped players when you pick your new squad so that other teams can have a chance of choosing the dropped players.

And if you want to add a new PP or international player in your team then just add it, simple.

I am not sure how the bargain thing will work as you only would want to get good players and no body wants to give a good player to the other team.
Yes i dont think i would like to give my performing player lets say Akhtar or Lee in lahore case.
But i think think its should be good if changes will be made in squads.To give them a fresh look and players should be shuffled in teams.but have no idea how it should be done.
Lets see if IZEE and SB along with FAM can work out some thing.

[Goldbrain]

Rain of ideas but nothing finalize, I loving it :)))

[iZeeshan]

Maybe you would like to help?

I think we should forget the bidding. Allow trades and people to drop whoever they want into free agency. And then after 1 week, have a draft to replenish squads.

The problem with everyone picking up whoever they want wouldn't work because two people may want the same person. For example, imran wants Ajantha Mendis...but so do I..so how do we settle that?

[Legendary_Sage]

Maybe you would like to help?

I think we should forget the bidding. Allow trades and people to drop whoever they want into free agency. And then after 1 week, have a draft to replenish squads.

The problem with everyone picking up whoever they want wouldn't work because two people may want the same person. For example, imran wants Ajantha Mendis...but so do I..so how do we settle that?
So whats the solution?

[Goldbrain]

Make 3 groups of players.

For example
Group A, with price range 200k plus
Group B, with price range 100K plus
Group C, with price range 0 - 100 plus

Allocate every team Finance as per their rating or ranking.

Put players in the market and let the bidding begin:D

Whoever wants to buy or sell players, they will put those players in the market.

Also if two teams agree to swap or trade players between them, just let everyone know, rest of the teams can also offer more than the trading teams and can try to get those players.

Just an idea

[Straight Bat]

Maybe you would like to help?

I think we should forget the bidding. Allow trades and people to drop whoever they want into free agency. And then after 1 week, have a draft to replenish squads.

The problem with everyone picking up whoever they want wouldn't work because two people may want the same person. For example, imran wants Ajantha Mendis...but so do I..so how do we settle that?

I too think we should just do a draft again, and let people fill in spaces but still remind everyone that there is a max of 9 domestic and 6 intntl

[Mohsin]

Look guys instead of this confusing draft thread or what ever, i propose we all pick 3 fresh international players. BUT the thing is that instead of posting it on a long thread itself, we can PM the 3 players to Saj. If more then one person wants the same players then they can be informed and THEN the bidding system can take place.

So for example, PP want:
1. Dhoni
2. Faisal Iqbal:D
3. Hafeez (I HATE HIM SO MUCH!)

KK want:
1. different
2.different
3. Iqbal :D

Peshawar want:
1. different
2. iqbal
3 Hafeez

then i get Dhoni, and we start a fresh easy small biffing wat for Ibal and Hafeez...

[Straight Bat]

but having a bidding war etc and sorting out currencies will be complicated.

Doing a draft will be simple and can be done in a night like we did at the start of the season.

[Legendary_Sage]

So why not go for the old draft system.
Every one gets his turn and take two players.
I think thats was good enough.
Rather then getting in to the bidding thing.

[Legendary_Sage]

What will be done about those domestic and international players which are going to be discarded from different team.how can we take out that procedure for replacements.

[Mohsin]

Wait a minute, so how many players from this season are on there way out? All of them? Is it going to be fresh teams?

[Legendary_Sage]

Wait a minute, so how many players from this season are on there way out? All of them? Is it going to be fresh teams?
the players who were unable to perform up to the expectations will loose out.

[iZeeshan]

Ok guys, I'm taking a stand and making a decision.

NO BIDDING. FULL AND FINAL. Maybe sometime later.

YOU get to DROP anyone you want into FREE AGENCY where ANYONE can claim them. Whoever is the first.

A NEW DRAFT WILL TAKE PLACE to fill up remaining spots. IT WILL BE for "x" rounds. X equaling the 2nd highest number of spots left to be filled in a squad. The highest will be 9 or 10 for the Peshawar Princes, so whoever has the NEXT LOWEST AMOUNT..that will be how long the rounds are.

This the new plan and its FINAL if either SB or FAM approve.

[McBoom]

Maybe you would like to help?

I think we should forget the bidding. Allow trades and people to drop whoever they want into free agency. And then after 1 week, have a draft to replenish squads.

The problem with everyone picking up whoever they want wouldn't work because two people may want the same person. For example, imran wants Ajantha Mendis...but so do I..so how do we settle that?Because I picked him up first so he is mine. :)

Anyways if two teams want the same player then we can flip a coin and let fate decide for us, simple and easy.

[McBoom]

A NEW DRAFT WILL TAKE PLACE to fill up remaining spots. IT WILL BE for "x" rounds. X equaling the 2nd highest number of spots left to be filled in a squad. The highest will be 9 or 10 for the Peshawar Princes, so whoever has the NEXT LOWEST AMOUNT..that will be how long the rounds are.??

[iZeeshan]

Because I picked him up first so he is mine. :)

Anyways if two teams want the same player then we can flip a coin and let fate decide for us, simple and easy.
No that's stupid, sorry.

Yea I got you confused. Don't worry about the rounds thing. I'll figure that out once you people have finished dropping people.

[McBoom]

No that's stupid, sorry.

Yea I got you confused. Don't worry about the rounds thing. I'll figure that out once you people have finished dropping people.A flip of a coin over a disputed player gives both the teams equal chance so its a fair way IMO, if its any other way (money, points etc) than the stronger teams have more chance of picking up their preferred players.

Plus it would be fairplay to not want the players if a team has drafted him in their squad. Otherwise everyone would fight over the newly drafted players by looking at the opposition's list of players.

A better idea would be to send the initial squads to a neutral person so that no one can see who picked whome and then resolve the issue of disputed players. Otherwise I will have a look at your list and then would want that XYZ international player and vice versa.

[iZeeshan]

What's wrong with having a new draft?

That's what we did orignally and no one had problems with it.

[McBoom]

What's wrong with having a new draft?

That's what we did orignally and no one had problems with it.That is what I am trying to say from the beginning, read my first post in this thread.

[iZeeshan]

Sorry but I still don't understand what you mean.

As far as I know, we're going with a draft.

And can you please check my post in the draft thread.

[McBoom]

Sorry but I still don't understand what you mean.

As far as I know, we're going with a draft.

And can you please check my post in the draft thread.For a draft you have to have a pool of players from where you can pick your players. We already have a humungous pool of players i.e. the international & first class players so I don't see the need of shortlisting that pool just for the sake of a daft draft process.

IMO what we should do is that there are 5 teams. Now each team captain has to select their squads for the 2nd season. The team could be unchanged from the 1st season, could contain 15 entirely new players, or some new, old (& dropped players from the other teams). Its up to the captain/manager of the team. This process can be done in 2-3 stages as there would be a lot of dropping of players who can be selected in other teams, for example if I drop KP from my squad then in the 2nd stage any other team can pick him up & if they drop a player in the 2nd stage worth taking than any other team can pick up that player in the 3rd stage of squad selection.

I hope I am getting my point across and making some sense.

[iZeeshan]

That is like a draft...

We are selecting again from the infinite pool of players, not just the players already in the league. Did you know that?

[Straight Bat]

I think we should go with zeeshans method, it is the most simple and also it's the same thing we did last time.

BTW, remember two things:

- Include Peshawar in the draft

- max of 9 domestic and 6 international players

[McBoom]

That is like a draft...

We are selecting again from the infinite pool of players, not just the players already in the league. Did you know that?Then both of us are saying the same thing. I think there is confusion because the drafting rules are undefined yet, or atleast I haven't seen them.

[iZeeshan]

:)) Bro, its the same thing as the last time we did.

Select ANYONE you want, of course though, you can't pick someone who's already been picked.

[iZeeshan]

Just to clarify rules, you can have like, 12 internationals at one point. You just have to get rid of 6 of them before the finalization of squad deadline.

[McBoom]

Just to clarify rules, you can have like, 12 internationals at one point. You just have to get rid of 6 of them before the finalization of squad deadline.So when will this thing begin ?

[iZeeshan]

in a week, once people have dropped their players and finished making trades

both of which don't seem to be happening...

[iZeeshan]

So what happens to players whose averages have gone way too high or way too low (as in the bad way)...are they just discarded forever?

Can we restore them to some normality after a season or two from free agency so they can play again?

[iZeeshan]

Guys, I just realized, if a team is playing FIVE internationals at once, then 7 should certainly be allowed in the squad!

So therefore, I am proposing to increase the squad to 16, with 7 intl and 9 domestics.