Saeed Ajmal v Danish Kaneria

[umairriazmirza]

guys i knw PAKISTAN is not due to play a test match for quite some time now..but wat u all feel does including SAEED AJMAL in a playing eleven over DANiSH KANERIA will b a better choice for PAKISTANI team in test matches...i certainly feel we should give a go 2 AJMAL in test matches also..he cant prove any worse den the lateral KANERIA...what u all feel???

[lollol]

He played only 2 ODI's..... no way he should be given preference over Kaneria already... and besides, Kaneria is the better bowler.

[Khabri420]

He played only 2 ODI's..... no way he should be given preference over Kaneria already... and besides, Kaneria is the better bowler.

Kaneria will bowl 100 overs in a match...and take 2 wickets at an avg of 125...

[jan_Jamshed]

i will choose imran tahir over kaneria in test matches, and ofcurse ajmal over afrdi in odis..

[umairriazmirza]

Kaneria will bowl 100 overs in a match...and take 2 wickets at an avg of 125...

hahahah....classic elaboration of KANERIA

[umairriazmirza]

He played only 2 ODI's..... no way he should be given preference over Kaneria already... and besides, Kaneria is the better bowler.

by bowling 50 overs in an innings..even AFRIDI can take 2 or 3 wickets in a innings..whch KANERIA always does...well i have seen AJMAL bowling in FC scene in all 3 formats of da game..he is a classic 20/20 spinner 2...

[pakistanbest]

He played only 2 ODI's..... no way he should be given preference over Kaneria already... and besides, Kaneria is the better bowler.

i agree

Kaneria is a proven match-winner, Ajmal has got talent but needs to play more and perform better in the shorter formats before he is called up

[natalia]

Personally, I believe Ajmal is too inexperienced to play test matches against higher-level teams, but for a start he should just play a few tests against teams like Bangladesh or England where the chances of winning are good or better for Pakistan, just so Ajmal gets used to the conditions in a test match, and doesn't get battered all around the ground. Just get him used to the test arena first.

Because if Pakistan uses Ajmal for his first time in a test match against India or Australia or another team which plays spin well, he's sure to get hit everywhere for fours and sixes.

And yes, Kaneria is a proven match winner. He can change the game around by striking at the right times and places.

[Pakwatan]

Kaneria will bowl 100 overs in a match...and take 2 wickets at an avg of 125...

only because of too many dropped catches by fielders, by keepers and miss out many stump out. Had you watched the whole test that Pakistan has played, you wouldn't blame Danish alone.

The same Danish who has played main role of Test when we had no Asif, no Akhtar and No Gul. Without Danish, Pakistan would have been in embarrassing position.

[Savak]

While Danish Kaneria has been performing really poorly for the last two years, but we must acknowledge that when he was on song, he was one of our strike bowlers and one of the key bowlers in our line up. He has 240 test wickets and some experience along with it. Dropping him and not playing him is like taking the easy way out. Yes drop him in order to make him work on his bowling problems, it is obviously upto him if he puts in the hard work and required retrospection to work on his bowling problems and fix them.

But our main focus should be on getting him back on song again. I have no problems in including Ajmal if he is good enough, he has impressed in his first few games and no reason why he cant repeat that form in test cricket. But sooner or later Ajmal will be worked out and it will be upto Ajmal how he responds to that challenge and the various adjustments he makes accordingly.

[Pakwatan]

While Danish Kaneria has been performing really poorly for the last two years, but we must acknowledge that when he was on song, he was one of our strike bowlers and one of the key bowlers in our line up. He has 240 test wickets and some experience along with it. Dropping him and not playing him is like taking the easy way out. Yes drop him in order to make him work on his bowling problems, it is obviously upto him if he puts in the hard work and required retrospection to work on his bowling problems and fix them.

But our main focus should be on getting him back on song again. I have no problems in including Ajmal if he is good enough, he has impressed in his first few games and no reason why he cant repeat that form in test cricket. But sooner or later Ajmal will be worked out and it will be upto Ajmal how he responds to that challenge and the various adjustments he makes accordingly.

He may has performed poor in last two years, but can we blame him, if Kamran was consistently poor wicket keeper for like three years.

[Xoib]

I will pick even my dhobi's handicapped 12 year old son over Danish Warneria.

[kingusama92]

no thanks... Kaneria over Ajmal anydays in the test match arena... we need all the experience we can get... plus when Kaneria is on form he is ridiculously hard to play and I am sure he will be roaring to have a go in the test matches again.

[Xoib]

no thanks... Kaneria over Ajmal anydays in the test match arena... we need all the experience we can get... plus when Kaneria is on form he is ridiculously hard to play and I am sure he will be roaring to have a go in the test matches again.

When did that happen. :akmal

[Savak]

He may has performed poor in last two years, but can we blame him, if Kamran was consistently poor wicket keeper for like three years.

He cant just blame the keeper, while i agree Akmal was horrendous behind the stumps. But Kaneria has also lost the bite in his bowling. I think he has to go back to the drawing board and work his problems out. He needs to learn to use the flipper effectively, and i think there is a problem with his delivery stride and run up as well. But if he can get things to work he can be a very dangerous option for us.

[Pakwatan]

He cant just blame the keeper, while i agree Akmal was horrendous behind the stumps. But Kaneria has also lost the bite in his bowling. I think he has to go back to the drawing board and work his problems out. He needs to learn to use the flipper effectively, and i think there is a problem with his delivery stride and run up as well. But if he can get things to work he can be a very dangerous option for us.

Because of wicket keeper, has always disappointed spinner like Danish and let him down. His confident has been shattered because of Kamran Akmal. If we want Danish to be on form, then Kamran Akmal has to go. Simple as that.

[Xoib]

Because of wicket keeper, has always disappointed spinner like Danish and let him down. His confident has been shattered because of Kamran Akmal. If we want Danish to be on form, then Kamran Akmal has to go. Simple as that.

Despite all his shortcomings Akmal is still our 4th most proficient bat is tests.

[Sheikh_Ji]

I've seen Kaneria bowling in a couple of county games (with Essex) this season, and I must say i'm thoroughly impressed with his bowling. The biggest difference i noticed with Kaneria in the games with Essex is that he is used as an attacking options and he seems to have a lot of say in his field settings (in fact it seemed he alone decided his field). Pak (especially under Inzi) primarily used Kaneria as a stock bolwer, holding up one end with very defensive fields. Plus, countless chances off his bowling are fluffed by Akmal.

Kaneria deserves to be in our test team, he hasn't performed as well as we would like over the last 2 years, but I have no doubt he has the technique to be a genuine strike bowler provided our captains utilze him properly. The only area of concern i'd have with him is his mental capacity; I found his recent comments about playing for England one day if given the chance quite worrying

[Pakwatan]

Despite all his shortcomings Akmal is still our 4th most proficient bat is tests.


and we are discussing about his wicket keeping. Despite of being most proficient bat in test, that doesn't change the fact that wicket keeper on keeping plays big role than his batting. Although, his batting has been positive especially in under pressure most of times. Right now, Pakistan needs full time wicket keeper. Otherwise, it's big loss to Pakistan and that already break the confident of our bowlers.

[salman24]

I think the new administration should make a brve decision and brin SAqlain Mushtaq back. I believe he can still do a great service to Pakistanand he is just a bi older than Saeed Ajmal!!

[Pakwatan]

I think the new administration should make a brve decision and brin SAqlain Mushtaq back. I believe he can still do a great service to Pakistanand he is just a bi older than Saeed Ajmal!!

his bowling is completely has been horrible. He can not trouble any English batmen who never were good to play any spinner. Technically, Danish has been doing fair, and Saeed Ajmal is no doubt, a could be brilliant as his doosra has caused some difficulties to Indian batmen who are king against spinners.

[Ghoshtbuster]

Kaneria is a very, very good leg-spinner. While there is no harm in giving others a try, Danni is still our number one specialist spinner.

[Kriketer]

Kaneria will bowl 100 overs in a match...and take 2 wickets at an avg of 125...

True that. People who are saying that he's a match winner are basically taking those 2 wickets in context. Kaneria is an average spinner, who picks up wickets here and there, by regularly giving away runs in three digits. He may have won few matches, but Pakistan still persisting with a spinner like Kaneria shows the inability of our country to produce a threatening and dominating or at least a good spinner.

[Rizwan25]

One of these two will make it to test 11. Who do you think Afridi will pick and who do you think he should pick?

I say, Idone is our man to get the job done. :inzi

[Pakprideuk]

It's going to be kaneria, he is going to be the test spinner as always.

[srh]

iSuck :akhtar

[proud_pakistani]

Its quite offensive to call Kaneria isuck when he has taken a real bulk of Pakistans wickets in the last 5 years...yea he has given away runs but he is an attacking bowler and only if our keeper would have been better he would have much better stats...besides that a leg spinner is always going to be a bigger threat than a finger spinner...ajmal for t20s and ODIs but Kaneria for tests

[RehanG]

by far Kanaoeriaaaaa

[Blitz]

by far Kanaoeriaaaaa
Exactly. Ajmal is a brilliant limited overs bowler, however Kaneria is class in test matches.

If it wasn't for Kamran Akmal, Kaneria would honestly be considered our best test spinner ever. Top player.

[Rizwan25]

Don't forget Mushi is Engs bowling coach and they will be well prepared for Kaneria as compare to idone.

[Easa]

Is this even a question?

Danish is quality, don't let spiteful, ill-informed snipers on PakPassion convince you of anything less. As is the unfortunate habit of our countrymen, he gets less praise than he should because he is Hindu and that's, well, sad. As a bowler, and as an exponent of the art of leg spin, he's skillful and brave.

[Boi]

Ajmal is no where near Kaneria in Tests.

Kaneria is no where near Ajmal in ODIs and T20.

[Rizwan25]

Is this even a question?

Danish is quality, don't let spiteful, ill-informed snipers on PakPassion convince you of anything less. As is the unfortunate habit of our countrymen, he gets less praise than he should because he is Hindu and that's, well, sad. As a bowler, and as an exponent of the art of leg spin, he's skillful and brave.

No one is doubting his skills, just askinh who will be more effective there. I don't know why you had to bring religion into this or maybe that's your perspective and that's how you perceive things.

[proud_pakistani]

No one is doubting his skills, just saying who will be more effective there. I don't see why you had to bring religion into this or maybe that's your perspective and that's how you perceive things.
you are calling a guy Isuck...isnt tht bad enough when this guy has done so much for ur country...

[salman24]

Kaneria. No doubt about it.

[RehanG]

Exactly. Ajmal is a brilliant limited overs bowler, however Kaneria is class in test matches.

If it wasn't for Kamran Akmal, Kaneria would honestly be considered our best test spinner ever. Top player.
exactly i think Kami has dropped at least 150 kaneria catches and 50 stumpings...

[srh]

exactly i think Kami has dropped at least 150 kaneria catches and 50 stumpings...
No way the numbers are so high. Remember stats-wise, Kami is Pakistan best-ever wicket keeper in Tests.

[Sledger]

Ajmal, Afridi are defensive bowlers which means they're suited to limited overs while Kaneria is more of an attacking option who'll pick wickets in tests. Ajmal was found wanting in test cricket on recent tours so he shouldn't be an option. I don't think Afridi will be a revelation with the ball so Kaneria would be the only specialist option I'd go with.

[saeed-sohail]

If afridi is going to be defensive with his field placing then Danish but if he is attacking the way I expect him to be then Ajmal.people who say Ajmal is not a test bowler need to watch a dvd of SL series where he out bowled SL spinners on their home turf under a proper captain.Moyo had long on for him from ball one with short leg in short supply.

[*syed59*]

I guess DK :danish is the one Afridi's gonna pick , and DK is the one Afridi should pick.

[mon858]

should've picked raza hasan or zulfiqar babar as a surprise package in my opinion.

[Easa]

No one is doubting his skills, just askinh who will be more effective there. I don't know why you had to bring religion into this or maybe that's your perspective and that's how you perceive things.
Actually, it's the way people perceive the poor guy, perceive and judge him on little more than the accident of his birth as a Hindu instead of his quality as a bowler. I've seen that attitude on PakPassion too.

[Amir]

Actually, it's the way people perceive the poor guy, perceive and judge him on little more than the accident of his birth as a Hindu instead of his quality as a bowler. I've seen that attitude on PakPassion too.

I have actually seen no one else ever bring up his religion on this board. You are the only one, so not sure where you get this hindu sentiment from. Quite stupid really.

If we had a better spinner or at least were willing to try different spinners...I wouldn't mind dropping Kaneria. Vastly over-rated by the world. I was once one of his biggest backers because I could see despite his poor stats...he had that match winning ability for a while where he could turn an innings around. I can't remember any noteworthy bowling performance since that 4 wickets vs England in 2006? Now he is a guy with an inflated bowling average and strike rate....with no match winning innings.

This really should be his last chance to really show us something. If he fails to deliver this tour and just bowls the same old stuff he does, I say Pakistan should try a different spinner in UAE vs SA.

[Easa]

I have actually seen no one else ever bring up his religion on this board. You are the only one, so not sure where you get this hindu sentiment from. Quite stupid really.
Well obviously people are hardly going to scream it from the rooftops, but I've encountered posters on here who are unwilling to appreciate even his good bowling performances. What is that? Personal enmity? I think not.

If we had a better spinner or at least were willing to try different spinners...I wouldn't mind dropping Kaneria. Vastly over-rated by the world. I was once one of his biggest backers because I could see despite his poor stats...he had that match winning ability for a while where he could turn an innings around. I can't remember any noteworthy bowling performance since that 4 wickets vs England in 2006? Now he is a guy with an inflated bowling average and strike rate....with no match winning innings.
Were you asleep when we toured Australia?

Kaneria bowled superbly.

This really should be his last chance to really show us something. If he fails to deliver this tour and just bowls the same old stuff he does, I say Pakistan should try a different spinner in UAE vs SA.
A different spinner like who? Kaneria is the best wrist-spinner in the world, bar none. And he's going to be the best Pakistani spinner ever by the time he's done.

[proud_pakistani]

Well obviously people are hardly going to scream it from the rooftops, but I've encountered posters on here who are unwilling to appreciate even his good bowling performances. What is that? Personal enmity? I think not.


Were you asleep when we toured Australia?

Kaneria bowled superbly.


A different spinner like who? Kaneria is the best wrist-spinner in the world, bar none. And he's going to be the best Pakistani spinner ever by the time he's done.
First of all great post...people juss dun realise how blessed v are having a wrist spinner...it changes the complexion of a game completely...it brings so many wickets into equation...however great a finger spinner will be he wont be able to impact the game as much as wrist spinner..and please dun say Saqlain Mushtaq used to...he was an exception

[Tay'yab-Ali Malik]

Ajmal, Afridi are defensive bowlers which means they're suited to limited overs while Kaneria is more of an attacking option who'll pick wickets in tests. Ajmal was found wanting in test cricket on recent tours so he shouldn't be an option. I don't think Afridi will be a revelation with the ball so Kaneria would be the only specialist option I'd go with.

ajmal was unlucky

Misbah dropped Watson after Ajmal had set him up. Watson then went on and on to score bucket load of runs.

Yusuf gave him defensive field therefore making him inaffective.

Plus he was playing his first test.

[razzaq_03]

Personally I think if Akmal is going to be the goal keeper it doesn't matter who you pick :)). Although I have to say he keeps better of Ajmals bowling judging by the looks of it !

[Hami]

Ajmal certainly is a better option than Kaneriya.. but I really doubt he can bowl 20-30 overs consistently like Kaneriya.. I'd love to see Ajmal playing though..

[Sledger]

ajmal was unlucky

Misbah dropped Watson after Ajmal had set him up. Watson then went on and on to score bucket load of runs.
Don't buy the 'unluckiness' excuses. Sorry. :Sami


Yusuf gave him defensive field therefore making him inaffective.

Plus he was playing his first test.

Agree, that was partly the problem. However, he still produced very few and far between in terms of chances. He might be ok if they suspect the track will be a real turner and include him in addition to the two leggies but for the most part, I'd want him in shorter forms only.

No he wasn't. Debut came in SL.

[saeed-sohail]

No he wasn't. Debut came in SL.
And we choose to overlook that SL series where he was our best bowler by a country mile when given proper field.You can write Ajmal off based on couple of bad games under a defensive captain but I won't.

[Sledger]

And we choose to overlook that SL series where he was our best bowler by a country mile when given proper field.You can write Ajmal off based on couple of bad games under a defensive captain but I won't.
Like I said, if the wickets are offering a lot of spin, he can be considered. SL tracks are known for turn and the tracks he bowled on on that tour were no different. The question here is who should be the first choice and I'd choose Kaneria based on his past performances and record.

[azfar wali]

Ajmal is no where near Kaneria in Tests.

Kaneria is no where near Ajmal in ODIs and T20.

Agreed

[Amir]

Well obviously people are hardly going to scream it from the rooftops, but I've encountered posters on here who are unwilling to appreciate even his good bowling performances. What is that? Personal enmity? I think not.


Were you asleep when we toured Australia?

Kaneria bowled superbly.


A different spinner like who? Kaneria is the best wrist-spinner in the world, bar none. And he's going to be the best Pakistani spinner ever by the time he's done.

No he didn't. It was an improvement from the usual tripe he serves up but that is the problem. Fans see a good performance and think, "Oh yes! The Old Danish back!" I too use to get sucked into this until I realized for the better.

Kaneria being the best wrist spinner in the world doesn't really say much. Just says there is big lack of competition. While having a wrist spinner is a great thing, doesn't mean he plays at all costs. Paul Adams was a wrist spinner, not a great one either. Wrist or finger, you get the job done...you get the job done. Swann is a great example, he doesn't posses a doosra or all these variations but he knows how to set up a batsmen....something Danish cannot do.

I am all for Danish if we give other spinners a chance and they don't perform. But Danish needs to turn up this summer. No 30-35 average with a high strike rate. If he doesn't perform, it won't hurt trying someone vs SA rather than persist with the same 100 run wicket taking bowler.

[Easa]

That's just the thing Amir, he's already 'turned up'.

Since his comeback, he's taken 29 wickets at 29, against Australia in Australia, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, and New Zealand in New Zealand.

[Amir]

That's just the thing Amir, he's already 'turned up'.

Since his comeback, he's taken 29 wickets at 29, against Australia in Australia, Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka, and New Zealand in New Zealand.

His S/R has somewhat improved but still a high economy. Improvement but still not good. Its one thing to look at stats but we all know Kaneria is notorious for bagging tail enders. Like I said, I don't want to see wickets in dead rubbers or at useless times (after a team racks up 400). When we need Kaneria he doesn't deliver.

Also take a look at his Aussie stats. Stats aren't the be all end all, but confirm much of what I was thinking.

[Amir]

Here is a innings by innings list:

Innings by innings list Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Econ Pos Inns Opposition Ground Start DateAscending
20.3 3 62 5 3.02 5 2 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 20 Jul 2009 Test # 1927
36.0 3 114 2 3.16 6 4 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 20 Jul 2009 Test # 1927
6.0 2 6 3 1.00 4 2 v New Zealand Wellington 3 Dec 2009 Test # 1938
31.0 6 74 3 2.38 3 4 v New Zealand Wellington 3 Dec 2009 Test # 1938
53.0 10 168 7 3.16 4 2 v New Zealand Napier 11 Dec 2009 Test # 1940
5.0 0 21 0 4.20 3 4 v New Zealand Napier 11 Dec 2009 Test # 1940
2.0 0 18 0 9.00 4 1 v Australia Sydney 3 Jan 2010 Test # 1945
47.5 3 151 5 3.15 4 3 v Australia Sydney 3 Jan 2010 Test # 1945
42.5 2 189 3 4.41 4 1 v Australia Hobart 14 Jan 2010 Test # 1947
14.0 2 56 1 4.00 4 3 v Australia Hobart 14 Jan 2010 Test # 1947

If you look at his performances:
5/62 - quite good
2/114 - what a surprise
3/6 - This was the test our pacers set up and ran through NZ, don't really rate it
3/74 - good performance
7/168 - don't rate it. Its what Kaneria does. Failed to take wickets when needed, gets a flurry after the opposition racks up a big score.
5/151 - this one I can understand as Yousuf was terrible as a captain. But still, 151 runs?!?!
3/189 and 1/56...enough said.

Not sure how you thought he bowled "beautifully" in Australia while bowling a boundary ball every over. Your stats have appeared to look better than you presented them.

[Gollum]

Here is a innings by innings list:

Innings by innings list Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Econ Pos Inns Opposition Ground Start DateAscending
20.3 3 62 5 3.02 5 2 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 20 Jul 2009 Test # 1927
36.0 3 114 2 3.16 6 4 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 20 Jul 2009 Test # 1927
6.0 2 6 3 1.00 4 2 v New Zealand Wellington 3 Dec 2009 Test # 1938
31.0 6 74 3 2.38 3 4 v New Zealand Wellington 3 Dec 2009 Test # 1938
53.0 10 168 7 3.16 4 2 v New Zealand Napier 11 Dec 2009 Test # 1940
5.0 0 21 0 4.20 3 4 v New Zealand Napier 11 Dec 2009 Test # 1940
2.0 0 18 0 9.00 4 1 v Australia Sydney 3 Jan 2010 Test # 1945
47.5 3 151 5 3.15 4 3 v Australia Sydney 3 Jan 2010 Test # 1945
42.5 2 189 3 4.41 4 1 v Australia Hobart 14 Jan 2010 Test # 1947
14.0 2 56 1 4.00 4 3 v Australia Hobart 14 Jan 2010 Test # 1947

If you look at his performances:
5/62 - quite good
2/114 - what a surprise
3/6 - This was the test our pacers set up and ran through NZ, don't really rate it
3/74 - good performance
7/168 - don't rate it. Its what Kaneria does. Failed to take wickets when needed, gets a flurry after the opposition racks up a big score.
5/151 - this one I can understand as Yousuf was terrible as a captain. But still, 151 runs?!?!
3/189 and 1/56...enough said.

Not sure how you thought he bowled "beautifully" in Australia while bowling a boundary ball every over. Your stats have appeared to look better than you presented them.

Except for Hobart all of his numbers are quite good. It's not his fault MoYo used him like a donkey day in and day out. 50 overs in an inning? Its a bit too much even for a spinner.

* 7/168 is quite good considering the number of overs he bowled 53 with the economy of 3.15.

* 5/151 is Sydney where our super keeper dropped 3 catches and a stumping chance off Kaneria.

[Xoib]

Here is a innings by innings list:

Innings by innings list Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Econ Pos Inns Opposition Ground Start DateAscending
20.3 3 62 5 3.02 5 2 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 20 Jul 2009 Test # 1927
36.0 3 114 2 3.16 6 4 v Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 20 Jul 2009 Test # 1927
6.0 2 6 3 1.00 4 2 v New Zealand Wellington 3 Dec 2009 Test # 1938
31.0 6 74 3 2.38 3 4 v New Zealand Wellington 3 Dec 2009 Test # 1938
53.0 10 168 7 3.16 4 2 v New Zealand Napier 11 Dec 2009 Test # 1940
5.0 0 21 0 4.20 3 4 v New Zealand Napier 11 Dec 2009 Test # 1940
2.0 0 18 0 9.00 4 1 v Australia Sydney 3 Jan 2010 Test # 1945
47.5 3 151 5 3.15 4 3 v Australia Sydney 3 Jan 2010 Test # 1945
42.5 2 189 3 4.41 4 1 v Australia Hobart 14 Jan 2010 Test # 1947
14.0 2 56 1 4.00 4 3 v Australia Hobart 14 Jan 2010 Test # 1947

If you look at his performances:
5/62 - quite good
2/114 - what a surprise
3/6 - This was the test our pacers set up and ran through NZ, don't really rate it
3/74 - good performance
7/168 - don't rate it. Its what Kaneria does. Failed to take wickets when needed, gets a flurry after the opposition racks up a big score.
5/151 - this one I can understand as Yousuf was terrible as a captain. But still, 151 runs?!?!
3/189 and 1/56...enough said.

Not sure how you thought he bowled "beautifully" in Australia while bowling a boundary ball every over. Your stats have appeared to look better than you presented them.


I am somewhere in between you and Easa.7/168 was pretty good on a flat track and he 4-40 odd when Mccullam survived an LB on him which should have been given later on Vettori and Brendon got stuck in to him happens flat track, set batsman, big deal.

His 5/151 would have been 5 or 6-90 odd had Kami not made a mess he was bowling beautifully in the middle of the innings when Kamigate happened lost confidence after it.

However I agree there has been rubbish in between should have won the test in Lanka in the 4th inn when he failed to show up and also bowled some of the most horrible tripe at Hobart, another thing which worries is his current form as he has been horrible at Essex.

[Sir john]

kanreia is a average spinner,

[Amir]

* 7/168 is quite good considering the number of overs he bowled 53 with the economy of 3.15.

That it. 53 overs for 7 wicket.

[dinakar]

in my view, Kaneria isn't that bad as it made to be. Ofcourse he looks clueless when playing against india but that is granted for a leg spinner against us! but whenever I have seen playing against other team, every time it appears that a wicket is imminent. usually then Kamran will miss a chance or umpire turn down a shout and once that happened he gets too much frustrated and lose the focus. I think he is still good to play for Pakistan and may be replaced by Ajmal against India and Srilanka.

[kingusama92]

Danish should be first choice in England.

His experience on English pitches will be vital in the test series. If he fails to pick up wickets then we can reconsider his selection and perhaps put in Saeed Ajmal. However, at this point in time Danish Kaneria should remain our first choice spinner.

I fear for Kaneria though - Akmal already has him on the mat with the amount of blows he's delivered to Danish's mental conscience. A couple of more dropped catches and Danish might become totally pathetic.

[proud_pakistani]

in my view, Kaneria isn't that bad as it made to be. Ofcourse he looks clueless when playing against india but that is granted for a leg spinner against us! but whenever I have seen playing against other team, every time it appears that a wicket is imminent. usually then Kamran will miss a chance or umpire turn down a shout and once that happened he gets too much frustrated and lose the focus. I think he is still good to play for Pakistan and may be replaced by Ajmal against India and Srilanka.
how is Kaneria clueless against India and Srilanka...he was one of the main reasons we managed to draw a series in india i believe in 2005...and in the third test vs Srilanka (recent one) Kaneria picked up 5 wickets in the first inning after he was dropped for the first test...

[SID_ZONE]

how is Kaneria clueless against India and Srilanka...he was one of the main reasons we managed to draw a series in india i believe in 2005...and in the third test vs Srilanka (recent one) Kaneria picked up 5 wickets in the first inning after he was dropped for the first test...

and was hammerd in 2006 and 2007

[hur rizvi]

Kaneria is a better test spinner compared to Ajmal ....If he doesnt perform in first two tests give Ajmal or Rehman a go

[dinakar]

how is Kaneria clueless against India and Srilanka...he was one of the main reasons we managed to draw a series in india i believe in 2005...and in the third test vs Srilanka (recent one) Kaneria picked up 5 wickets in the first inning after he was dropped for the first test...
barring that innings I can't remember any significant contribution from him against us. that doesn't mean that he was so successful against us. Generally, Srilankans are also very good against leg spinners and that's why I mentioned. may be he has some good performance against them, don't remember.

[proud_pakistani]

and was hammerd in 2006 and 2007
I feel for the guy he bowls his heart out and the main thing is he attacks and tries to pick up wickets..sometimes i think thats the problem...he doesnt set-up the batsman he tries to get a wicket on every ball...and when u have mr akmal behind the stumps...im sure he is gonna tear his head out this series if akmal performs as bad as he did in the last series...

[Rudi hater]

Kaneria will bowl 100 overs in a match...and take 2 wickets at an avg of 125...

YEah he has got 250 wickets..and Ajmal was aweful in SL test. You got to say Kaneria is the first choice when it comes to tests.

[EnigmaticIndian]

Ajmal is consistent with his line but Kaneria at his best is far more devastating . He sprays it around way too much though

[Inswinger]

Will Ajmal surpass Kaneria as Pakistan's leading wicket taker when it comes to spin bowling?

Kaneria
61 Matches
261 Wickets


Ajmal
23 Matches
122 Wickets

[cricpk]

i doubt that Saeed bahi will play another 23 games, if he does play 50 games he will become Pakistans all time leading wicket taker spinner....Best of luck to the magician!!

[kingusama92]

Spinners can last for a long time.

Kumble, Warne and Murali all played well into their late 30s. Saeed Ajmal hasn't had an exhaustive career like they did, so I think he can bowl into his 40s.

It's all about form.

He's only 34. I can see him playing for another 4-5 years for sure. The records could be broken.

[Greenshadow]

kanreia is a average spinner,

lol.

[shehzadd]

i agree

Kaneria is a proven match-winner, Ajmal has got talent but needs to play more and perform better in the shorter formats before he is called up

out of 100:
Kaneria: 65
Ajmal: 85
Saqlain: 80

[truthseer]

In hindsight, this thread is hilarious

[speedy]

out of 100:
Kaneria: 65
ajmal: 80
saqlain: 85

corrected

[Abid Z]

one is a beacon of hope, the other is a cheat

[shan]

One refused money to spot fix while other...

[saeed-sohail]

If afridi is going to be defensive with his field placing then Danish but if he is attacking the way I expect him to be then Ajmal.people who say Ajmal is not a test bowler need to watch a dvd of SL series where he out bowled SL spinners on their home turf under a proper captain.Moyo had long on for him from ball one with short leg in short supply.

Been a fan of Ajmal since I saw him first time. There were so many people doubting him even after his success in LOIs. Ajmal will go on to be the highest pakistani spinner wicket taker.

[PakPosheeda]

one is a beacon of hope, the other is a cheat

One refused money to spot fix while other...
At least Kaneria didn't fix a Pak game like :butt :asif :amir It was just a county game.

Besides thats not the point of this thread.

Looking back, this thread looks hilarious. Other teams wish we had Kaneria bowling to them instead of Ajmal. Unfortunately Kaneria as a bowler had worse temperament than Afridi with the bat.