The scourge or lanat of Alcohol

[MIG]

We complain about weapons of mass destruction, of ieds, of terror plots using baby milk etc - we talk of terrorists - Osama, Taliban etc but we cannot see the biggest tool of destruction in our society or the terrorist amongst us that exists in the name of freedom - Alcohol and the person who drinks it !

Why doesnt the need for common good drive the need to have alcohol away from us ? Why?

Is this why ALLAH calls us Ashraf-al-Makhlooqat ?

[Poison]

Its something I realised a little while back aswell. Alcohol is a great cause of death, yet to be banned. Really sorry to hear about your sister MIG, may Allah grant her a full recovery.

[Keith]

Alcohol, in moderation, is fine.

I have, on average, 6 beers (pints) per week. Always over a week-end and mostly at a braai (barbecue) on friday nights and saturday nights. I must state that i will only drink alcohol if i am at home and i do not have to drive anywhere.

Agree that alcohol, if abused, is an evil though. Cigarette adverts have been banned in SA due to their effect on health. Now, in my opinion, alcohol is much more dangerous than smoking and the advertising thereof should be banned as well.

[MIG]

This is the point - the Greater Good.

You may be fine but the guy next door isnt. Why would we allow such an evil to exist in our society?

[Keith]

This is the point - the Greater Good.

You may be fine but the guy next door isnt. Why would we allow such an evil to exist in our society?

Agreed about the "guy next door". It just shows poor self control by certain individuals though.

If alcohol was not abused then it would be fine? Will never happen though, human beings tend to over indulge.

I, for many years, abused alcohol myself. I went out to pubs for the express purpose of getting drunk, no other reason whatsoever. I then got into my car (or buddy's) and we went to the next pub for that favourite past rime of pub crawling. I gave no thought to the others on the road and the impact that i could have had on their or their families lives.

In hindsight (which is a wonderful thing!!) i was stupid and i become quite angry with anybody who gets into their vehicles under the influence.

Unfortunately (?) it is here to stay and big business won't allow it to be "banned".

[Poison]

Then again Keith, if everyone smoked Marijuana in moderation, they'd be fine also.

[Keith]

Then again Keith, if everyone smoked Marijuana in moderation, they'd be fine also.

Dunno? It is illegal in my country so i don't partake in it. If alcohol was illegal i would leave that alone too.

I only saw mig's thread about his sister now. I will refrain from posting any further herein and wish to apologise to mig personally for my previous posts in this thread. sorry mate. :(

May God be with your sister and all your family.

[MIG]

Apologies guys - this is brought about by my sisters condition but shouldnt stop from discussing this - pls go ahead.

[jusarrived]

one things for sure .... people tend to do things when you are drunk , you wudnt think off otherwise ....this was just couple of weeks back , i was pretty high and speeding up on my bike n a very narrow lane ..all i wanted to do was hit 100kmph & it seemed i was in complete control ....i look at the speedometer showing 92kmph & when i look up i see a huge cow, i still remember thinking it was allover as i was about bang into the cow ....I have no idea how i survived & all i had was couple of cuts on my hand ....still get shivers thinking it cud have been a car or a human instead of the cow ....when i saw your thread yesterday MIG , i felt very guilty cos the drunker d who was responsible for it was another fool like me .....i assure am not going to drink and drive ever in my life !

[Poison]

Dunno? It is illegal in my country so i don't partake in it. If alcohol was illegal i would leave that alone too.

I only saw mig's thread about his sister now. I will refrain from posting any further herein and wish to apologise to mig personally for my previous posts in this thread. sorry mate. :(

May God be with your sister and all your family.

Yes, but my point is that, what is the difference in effects of alcohol and marijuana? People high on weed commit crimes just as people who are drunk commit crimes. So why should only marijuana be banned?

[Momo]

Yes, but my point is that, what is the difference in effects of alcohol and marijuana? People high on weed commit crimes just as people who are drunk commit crimes. So why should only marijuana be banned?
Noam Chomsky sheds some light on the issue:

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From an islamic philosophy perspective though, anything that can hamper judgment and the ability to think clearly in large quantities is prohibited even in small quantities.

It's not about medical considerations (even things prohibited by islam can and do have some medical and other benefits) though. When we say islam prohibits things that are bad for us, we mean bad for us morally (not necessarily medically or economically et cetera).

So both marijuana and alcohol (and all drugs) are out. Cigarettes are not prohibited by islam, nor is cousin-marriage (because neither has any judgment/immodesty issues involved). But we know from scientific studies that both are bad for health (tobacco affects not only the smoker but also innocent bystanders, while cousin marriage increases the risk of congenital disease manifold). That's why we should avoid both these.

[Keith]

Yes, but my point is that, what is the difference in effects of alcohol and marijuana? People high on weed commit crimes just as people who are drunk commit crimes. So why should only marijuana be banned?

From your comments i think that perhaps you "partake in a bit of recreational weed smoking?" :batman:

Back to your question though.

In my experience (personal) i have found weed to be "less dangerous" than alcohol. I could have 2/3 joints and get into my car and perform just as well as if i was sober. The same cannot be said of alcohol though. In fact when i was smoking weed i actually found it difficult to get my car to go above 60km/h!!

In my past i was a bit of "wild child" and partook in a lot of weed smoking and alcohol drinking and mostly together. When i did them separately i noticed that when i was "high" i was way more controlled than when i was drunk. That though, is my personal experience and that of my friends.

I would like to point out that since i have "grown up" i no longer do any of the above and my life is way better than before.

I cannot understand why both are not illegal or why both are not legal. Both are drugs that cause serious damage to the person partaking in them.

Don't suppose that helps though!!!!

[Momo]

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The following if from hearsay and not a result of personal experience :) :

Alcohol makes you reckless and brave and careless to the nth degree. You feel you can do anything (you are of course mistaken). That's why drunk men should neither be in a driver's seat in a car, nor should they be in proximity of women.

Things like charas on the other hand, make you a coward. There's a saying in Pakistan: "Charas manji thalle waardi eh" (charas makes you hide under the bed). So yes, in that way alcohol is more deadly.

There's a story where a lad got caught smoking charas. His father took off his boot and got about his business. What made the tragic situation a bit comical was when the agitated father in between the multiple 'strokes' started angrily asking of the son 'Why could you not have been caught with a manly vice?' (manly referring to alcohol.)

[Momo]

From your comments i think that perhaps you "partake in a bit of recreational weed smoking?" :batman:
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[Keith]

From your comments i think that perhaps you "partake in a bit of recreational weed smoking?" :batman:

Back to your question though.

In my experience (personal) i have found weed to be "less dangerous" than alcohol. I could have 2/3 joints and get into my car and perform just as well as if i was sober. The same cannot be said of alcohol though. In fact when i was smoking weed i actually found it difficult to get my car to go above 60km/h!!

In my past i was a bit of "wild child" and partook in a lot of weed smoking and alcohol drinking and mostly together. When i did them separately i noticed that when i was "high" i was way more controlled than when i was drunk. That though, is my personal experience and that of my friends.

I would like to point out that since i have "grown up" i no longer do any of the above and my life is way better than before.

I cannot understand why both are not illegal or why both are not legal. Both are drugs that cause serious damage to the person partaking in them.

Don't suppose that helps though!!!!

I also remembered everything that i did whilst high but i remembered very little whilst i was drunk.

[MIG]

These are astonishing stats....

http://www.madd.org/Drunk-Driving/Drunk-Driving/Statistics.aspx

[Keith]

These are astonishing stats....

http://www.madd.org/Drunk-Driving/Drunk-Driving/Statistics.aspx

For a muslim maybe. For a "westerner" not really surprising at all.

In 1986 i was in grade 10 and we had a "class party". The majority of kids present were completely wasted. Not an isolated incident at all. Happened many times over whilst i was at school and i beleive that it has got even worse.

It is truly sad days indeed ....

[Riff]

People high on weed commit crimes just as people who are drunk commit crimes. So why should only marijuana be banned?

I occasionally drink and smoke weed and to be honest I dont feel like causing trouble when im high, and the same goes for alcohol but the fact that alcohol can lead to complete loss of control, that could lead to crime.

So ban alcohol and legalise marijuana!!! :D

Weed also grows from the earth and we shouldnt forget that.

[MIG]

For a muslim maybe. For a "westerner" not really surprising at all.

In 1986 i was in grade 10 and we had a "class party". The majority of kids present were completely wasted. Not an isolated incident at all. Happened many times over whilst i was at school and i beleive that it has got even worse.

It is truly sad days indeed ....

No brother - I am not looking at it from the angle of Muslim or non Muslim ( and I dont think you mean to either) - but the stupidity of allowing this in a society that prides itself on welfare of its people is truly mind numbing

[The Blazer]

Ban alcohol? Won't be happening in a country like England any time soon. The entire culture here revolves around drinking; it's very bemusing to say the least.

[MIG]

Ban alcohol? Won't be happening in a country like England any time soon. The entire culture here revolves around drinking; it's very bemusing to say the least.

Banning would never happen - the quintisential English village consists of a church and a pub !

All I am wondering is if people actually realize the destructive power of this evil ?

[The Blazer]

All I am wondering is if people actually realize the destructive power of this evil ?

Of course they don't. The very concept of fun for many young adults is going out and getting absolutely hammered. All the Drink Awareness campaigns have no effect on the masses.

[DM]

Alcohol is good for the society, it costs the taxpayer (in NHS fees) well over 1 Billion pounds every year in the uk, it keeps doctors, psychiatrists and allied health professionals in jobs.

[Zohaib Shah]

Myself and my girlfriend have stopped drinking since we did the Islamic fast and started studying the Quran.

I have seen alcohol turn people into raging beasts. The biggest lie is what many people call social drinking. I once had sex with my brothers wife after both of us were drunk at a party. This thought haunts everytime I see her consuming alcohol. I have seen one of my best friends die in a road accident while driving under the influence of alcohol.

Another lie is get your friend to drive when you drunk. If you are at a party and drunk, it's a given fact that your friend is just as drunk as you.


WOW O_O Thats some story. :)) Scares the hell out of me now by looking at drunk people. I gotta say if i see one i will make sure to observe what they do and maybe learn few facts of thier characteristics. Cause its quite amazing how a human mind can change so quickly by just taking a drink of this harmful substance. And the fact that people drink it still is tottaly out of the question O_O

[Poison]

From your comments i think that perhaps you "partake in a bit of recreational weed smoking?" :batman:


:batman:


Ban alcohol? Won't be happening in a country like England any time soon. The entire culture here revolves around drinking; it's very bemusing to say the least.
Yea man, try coming to Australia and seeing how it is with booze. :O



I occasionally drink and smoke weed

Momo can you shed some light on this? I have always thought of Alcohol as the bigger evil rather than Marijuana, and will never drink it.

[MIG]

I dont think prohibition on Alcohol is due to its chemical content.

Islam looks down on any substance/liquid that makes a Muslim lose control or act irrationally.

In that regard, all intoxicating substances or mind altering drugs are "bad".

Is "bad" sinful? I am no authority but if that goes against the Greater Good of the society, then it cannot be permitted.

[Saj]

Alcohol is what some folk in the UK and no doubt in the world live for - their whole life just revolves on seeing how drunk they get every day.

We keep hearing about the dangers of smoking, yet the government does little to warn folk about the dangers of drink. Advert after advert of alcohol on the tv, 24 hour pub opening times - what a fantastic society it is.

However whats more important of course is that the govt makes plenty of money out of alcohol !

[MIG]

I visited a web site MADD - mums against drunken driving or such like.

What I found strange was that a lot of effort is being put in towards responsible use of alcohol but the actual reason for this problem ie Alcohol is not addressed !

How odd? So you keep on treating the symptoms of a disease without attacking the reason for that ailment?

[Momo]

I visited a web site MADD - mums against drunken driving or such like.

What I found strange was that a lot of effort is being put in towards responsible use of alcohol but the actual reason for this problem ie Alcohol is not addressed !

How odd? So you keep on treating the symptoms of a disease without attacking the reason for that ailment?
Pretty similar to ABC=Abstinence, Be faithful, Condoms, instead of just telling youngsters to be abstinent and faithful to their spouses.

The 'west' (for want of a better word) has just accepted it as a given that life without sex outside or before marriage, and alcohol is impossible (or not worth living?).

[The Blazer]

The 'west' (for want of a better word) has just accepted it as a given that life without sex outside or before marriage, and alcohol is impossible (or not worth living?).

It's more of a cultural agenda more than anything else, but the former is the lesser evil of the two- And I'll argue to the point that it's not an evil at all, under the right circumstances and between two able minded individuals. However, mixing the two together wouldn't be a bright idea.