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161
16th February 2009, 21:44
Shocking .. disgusting .. shameful.

Is there anyone who still doesn't doubt that we a serious problem of violence against women in our culture ?

http://www.dawn.com/2009/02/16/top17.htm

NEW YORK, Feb 15: A Pakistani-American businessman was arrested in Orchard park town in Buffalo (New York) after he killed his wife and then walked to the police station to report her death.

Muzzamil Hasan, owner and operator of Bridges TV network, which was launched in 2004 to portray Muslims in a more positive light, was charged with killing his wife Aasiya, 37, during a domestic dispute.

Ms Aasiya Hasan had filed for divorce and obtained an order of protection against Hasan two weeks ago, police said.

�He (Muzzamil Hasan) came to the police station at 6:20 pm [Thursday] and told us that she was dead,� Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said.

�She had an order of protection that had him out of the home as of Friday the 6th [of February],� Benz said.

Mr Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body.

Detectives still are looking for the murder weapon.

�Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible,� Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita said on Sunday.

Muzzammil Hassan was arraigned before Village Justice Deborah Chimes and sent to the Erie County Holding Centre.

161
16th February 2009, 21:48
And the conservative media are just gonna have a field day with this - the founder of a TV Channel to promote a positive image of Muslims beheads his wife. How F'd up is that !

Check out the main display on Fox News -

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/021609_beheaded.jpg

Momo
16th February 2009, 21:48
Shocking .. disgusting .. shameful.

Is there anyone who still doesn't doubt that we a serious problem of violence against women in our culture ?

http://www.dawn.com/2009/02/16/top17.htm
I agree. The US culture (especially NY culture) has gone to the dogs.

moiz
16th February 2009, 21:50
Sick minds!

161
16th February 2009, 21:53
I agree. The US culture (especially NY culture) has gone to the dogs.

Right .. thanks for highlighting my point Momo .. Pakistanis are in a state of denial over this.

It's time we wake up and try to actively change attitudes towards women in our Pakistani culture.

Gujar
16th February 2009, 21:53
I agree. The US culture (especially NY culture) has gone to the dogs.

Spot on.

Momo
16th February 2009, 21:58
Right .. thanks for highlighting my point Momo .. Pakistanis are in a state of denial over this.

It's time we wake up and try to actively change attitudes towards women in our Pakistani culture.
So no woman ever gets killed/raped in the paradise known as USA?

161
16th February 2009, 22:02
Another story from France -

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267310

A French court has sent a Pakistani man to 20 years in jail as the man severely injured his fiancée when she refused marrying him.

A French court has sentenced a Pakistani man to 20 years in prison for setting fire to one of his ex-girlfriends. The man, Mr. Amer Mushtaq Butt, after getting rejected by his then girlfriend for marrying him doused the woman with petrol and set her alight. The woman, Chahrazad Belayni, one 21 years old Moroccan was reportedly leaving her home in a Paris suburb when the incident took place.

Ms. Belayni suffered considerable injuries of third degree burning that affected 60% of her body. The case was immediately highlighted as a 'violence against women' incident that remains reportedly prevalent in poor urban communities that have large Muslim populations. In the courtroom, while the judgment was read out, Ms. Belayni broke down in tears.

Subsequently, while talking to media she stated that the judgment set a good example. She reportedly added that for those women who remain the victims of violence the 20 years was a good step. While asked by media, the prosecutor Camille Palluel stated that Butt had meticulously planned the attack in the aim 'ending the life' of his former girlfriend.

Xoib
16th February 2009, 22:09
British man killed wife over 'single' Facebook status
Jan 23 12:07 PM US/Eastern




The logo of social networking website 'Facebook' is displayed on a computer...

A British man who murdered his wife after becoming enraged when she changed her relationship status on Facebook to "single" was jailed for at least 18 years late Thursday.

Edward Richardson, 41, stabbed wife Sarah, 26, to death in a "frenzied and brutal" attack at her parents' home in Biddulph, central England, last May after she altered her profile on the Internet social networking site.

The couple had been living apart since the previous month, said Fiona Cortese, a spokeswoman for the Crown Prosecution Service, which is responsible for prosecuting cases in England and Wales.

"Richardson became enraged when Sarah changed her marital status on Facebook to single and decided to go and see her as she was not responding to his (text) messages," Cortese said.

"He gained entry by breaking the front door window and made his way into the property.

"Once inside, he found Sarah in her bedroom and subjected her to a frenzied and brutal attack with a knife and then attempted to take his own life."

Sarah Richardson's parents Beryl and Alan Boote said they were left "devastated" by her murder after the verdict at Stafford Crown Court, central England.

"We hope that Richardson will be an old man before he's ever allowed out of prison," they said.

Detective Inspector Andy Wall, who worked on the case, added: "She had decided that her marriage to Edward Richardson was over but this was clearly something he could not accept."

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It's time we wake up and try to actively change attitudes towards women in British culture.

moiz
16th February 2009, 22:22
Momo,

Just because the NYC culture is rotten, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't raise the issue of sick Pakistani Muslim minds. I won't use the word 'Islamic'. Islam is perfect, Muslims are defected!

It's our religious, social and moral obligation to be against such sickness!

161
16th February 2009, 22:25
It's time we wake up and try to actively change attitudes towards women in British culture.


So no woman ever gets killed/raped in the paradise known as USA?


Right guys .. keep up those attitudes and Pakistan will continue to be the absolute shame of the world when it comes to violence against women.

DM
16th February 2009, 22:29
Can someone point me to the source of the revulsion?

161
16th February 2009, 22:40
It's our religious, social and moral obligation to be against such sickness!


Well said Moiz .. it is our obligation to fight against such sickness.

Other societies have actively targeted this sort of violence while he have just denied it.

The result is obvious in Pakistan - domestic abuse, rape, acid attacks, forced marriages, honor killings and more are all out of control.

Momo
16th February 2009, 22:57
Momo,

Just because the NYC culture is rotten, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't raise the issue of sick Pakistani Muslim minds. I won't use the word 'Islamic'. Islam is perfect, Muslims are defected!

It's our religious, social and moral obligation to be against such sickness!
Have you noticed this curious trend that if an attrocity is committed by somebody from the 'other societies', its almost always that individual's fault (something wrong with his mind, or effects of intoxication etc), whereas if a Pakistani/muslim is the subject, it's invariably something to do with Pakistani culture or muslim values.

What a coincidence!
:ibutt

Shadow
16th February 2009, 23:14
k this guy was obviously mentally ill, no normal person can behead his wife. they should do tests on this guys mental state and if it comes out that he is fine mentally, then i say send him somewhere to be beheaded.

ahsan17
16th February 2009, 23:31
What the guy has done very shameful, and no excuses about that. Obviously some people like to take the blame to his culture/country rather than the person. That's a bunch of balony. It's on the individual, not on any particular culture.

This story, as far as the US goes and western countries, is not so rare. Some may have heard about the guy dressed as santa who killed his in-laws and his wife. The guy was going through a bitter divorce, and was thrown out of his own house and was forced to pay large sums of alimony to his wife. The guy was pretty much made a begger overnight. The divorce courts/violence against women laws in the US are so skewed, that all the woman has to do is to fill a form to throw her husband out of his own house. And after divorce the guy is screwed with paying alimony and child support. I know similar stories infact of some family friends of mine (males) who got thrown out of their own homes by their wives.

I am in no way trying to defend this guy here because you can't defend murder of ANYONE who is innocent. What I am trying to show is how some people might become even tempted to do this. Many men avoid marriage in western countries all together, other end up getting financially destroyed, some live a very angry/sad life as married, and only the remaining maybe 20-30% are happy. You have to put yourself in their shows to see how it feels.

Zechariah
16th February 2009, 23:41
It's true that many women get abused in the US as it is but let's face it Pakistan is no better when it comes to treatment of women when it comes to rural areas...its a Muslim family nonetheless and no matter where we are in the world, US or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia our ideals stay the same and whatever happened was against that.

DM
16th February 2009, 23:53
What was his name?

DHONI183
17th February 2009, 01:04
That´s disgusting :******: :po: :po: :******: !!!!!!

AZ
17th February 2009, 01:08
Have you noticed this curious trend that if an attrocity is committed by somebody from the 'other societies', its almost always that individual's fault (something wrong with his mind, or effects of intoxication etc), whereas if a Pakistani/muslim is the subject, it's invariably something to do with Pakistani culture or muslim values.

What a coincidence!
:ibutt

great post

ImranS
17th February 2009, 07:46
Have you noticed this curious trend that if an attrocity is committed by somebody from the 'other societies', its almost always that individual's fault (something wrong with his mind, or effects of intoxication etc), whereas if a Pakistani/muslim is the subject, it's invariably something to do with Pakistani culture or muslim values.

What a coincidence!
:ibutt

Bhai...I agree with what you are saying, but even if that is the case, we do have a problem of violence against women in our culture. If kashif points out an article and highlights this problem why should we get defensive and give a "every body does it" response?

sorry if you mind, i know i am new comer but thats just my thought.

Foozee
17th February 2009, 09:14
culture has nothin to do with this... its the act of the individual that led to this consequence

Zechariah
17th February 2009, 09:19
True but the Americans and the West make it sound like that it happened due to culture and religion... similar to what happened in Toronto last year when the young girl was strangled. These things routinely happen all over but don't get such a media coverage when it happens in a Muslim household.

Foozee
17th February 2009, 09:23
well ofcourse whaddaya expect from the west, they pounce on every oppurtunity that comes to them to denounce muslims

kingusama92
17th February 2009, 09:28
the act was disgusting but it shouldn't be associated with Islam. This was a domestic problem that has nothing to do with Islam at all.

I agree with those that say the West seems to jump on anything that is anti-Islam because they are unfortunately very insecure. This insecurity is what leads them to not fully understand our religion and they continually abuse us through various sources by picking out such events. Even though their own people are committing such crimes every day.

Cheguvera
17th February 2009, 10:29
Yeah enlightened moderation at its best...doesn't appear to be a backward, obscurantist, beardo mullah at work here...looks like a quintessential secular modern muslim...

Contrary to popular ignorance...the best treated and comfortably living women are the wives of mullahs...

Poison
17th February 2009, 10:43
Ridiculous to bring that in to it Cheg. You're post stinks of bias.

Keith
17th February 2009, 10:47
I can easily scan the papers of the world and find ghastly murders / deeds by any amount of people from any nation / religion of the world. Just last week a south african school teacher was up on raping one of is students. Must be the teachers ethos then.

Crazy stuff to even consider that this beheading wad one due to his culture or his heritage. It was the act of a sick individual.

Is there violence towards women in pakistan? Sure is. So too there is violence against women in every part of the globe, regardless of ethnicity or religion.

Is it wrong? Ofcourse it is. Women, the world over, deserve respect everyday. They are our mothers, our wives, our sisters, our children's mothers. In other words, women are the mothers of our nations.

MIG
17th February 2009, 11:04
How is this connected with Islam or being Muslim? A crime is a crime - commited by an Israeli soldier, a palestinian gunman or a TV presenter.

Sheikh
17th February 2009, 11:11
How is this connected with Islam or being Muslim? A crime is a crime - commited by an Israeli soldier, a palestinian gunman or a TV presenter.
Agreed.

deviously~fading~away
17th February 2009, 11:29
And the conservative media are just gonna have a field day with this - the founder of a TV Channel to promote a positive image of Muslims beheads his wife. How F'd up is that !

Check out the main display on Fox News -

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/021609_beheaded.jpg
Forget the conservative media, even the far left media, Pak media, world media should have a field day with this one!

deviously~fading~away
17th February 2009, 11:31
So no woman ever gets killed/raped in the paradise known as USA?
They do, but not for the reasons that they do get killed/raped in the paradise of muslims!

deviously~fading~away
17th February 2009, 11:33
How is this connected with Islam or being Muslim? A crime is a crime - commited by an Israeli soldier, a palestinian gunman or a TV presenter.
MIG when a certain crime starts happending a lot in a certain background of people, it is human nature to add the two to together. The word beheading relates to Muslims for most people around the world.

Poison
17th February 2009, 11:33
Momo makes a good point in this thread.

MIG
17th February 2009, 11:44
MIG when a certain crime starts happending a lot in a certain background of people, it is human nature to add the two to together. The word beheading relates to Muslims for most people around the world.

Well its time for "fair and balanced" people such as yourselves to protest against such injustices isnt it?

deviously~fading~away
17th February 2009, 11:51
Well its time for "fair and balanced" people such as yourselves to protest against such injustices isnt it?
How can you judge that I am fair and balanced? The world can't be seen in simple black and white MIG, most of the world today lives in the gray part.

Poison
17th February 2009, 12:31
MIG when a certain crime starts happending a lot in a certain background of people, it is human nature to add the two to together. The word beheading relates to Muslims for most people around the world.

Since when is it a regularity for Pakistanis to behead their spouses? :ibutt Dont quote the Taliban killings, they're a minority.

By your same logic, terrorist has now been associated with muslims across the globe. Does that make it everybody's problem ?

moiz
17th February 2009, 12:41
Momo
Have you noticed this curious trend that if an attrocity is committed by somebody from the 'other societies', its almost always that individual's fault (something wrong with his mind, or effects of intoxication etc), whereas if a Pakistani/muslim is the subject, it's invariably something to do with Pakistani culture or muslim values.

What a coincidence!
I can't disagree with what you are saying because our enemies do try to malign the whole society with any single bad act of an individual.

But yaar their have been numerous cases and the thing is that the "true" Pakistani/Muslim teachings and values are absolutely against such sickness!

And since things like, domestice abuse of women by their fathers, brothers, husbands, killings on the name of 'honour', acid attacks, forced marriages, keeping them uneducated goes against the teachings and values of Pakistani/Muslim culture! It becomes absolutely obligatory on us to try to get rid of such sickness as it's contradictory to our teachings and values. It's satanic! The least we can do is speak against it, which you are not doing. Your attitude can't improve the pathetic minds.


Bhai...I agree with what you are saying, but even if that is the case, we do have a problem of violence against women in our culture. If kashif points out an article and highlights this problem why should we get defensive and give a "every body does it" response?
Spot on!


How is this connected with Islam or being Muslim?
When some sick Mullahs and people who disguise their reality in Islamic wardrobe using the title of Islam and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) tells people that its right to throw acid on women if they don't put a Niqaab on their faces. And it's right for a husband to beat their wives. And it's right to keep your daughters and sisters uneducated. Then our enemies do establish a link between being a Muslim and this sickness!

Of course the "true" teaching and values of Islam are absolutely against such sickness and it's Fardh (obligatory) on us to be against such "teachings" or sickness in the strongest way possible!


I can easily scan the papers of the world and find ghastly murders / deeds by any amount of people from any nation / religion of the world. Just last week a south african school teacher was up on raping one of is students. Must be the teachers ethos then.

Crazy stuff to even consider that this beheading wad one due to his culture or his heritage. It was the act of a sick individual.

Is there violence towards women in pakistan? Sure is. So too there is violence against women in every part of the globe, regardless of ethnicity or religion.

Is it wrong? Ofcourse it is. Women, the world over, deserve respect everyday. They are our mothers, our wives, our sisters, our children's mothers. In other words, women are the mothers of our nations.

A crime is a crime - commited by an Israeli soldier, a palestinian gunman or a TV presenter.
No one can disagree with both of you without being a ******! But, we can not solve the problem by saying these things.

Assume someone coming to the Prophet Muhammad or Prophet Jesus (peace and blessings of ALLAH be upon them) and informing them about a rape committed by someone who is among the community of their followers...

- Would they have said, "crime is a sin whether it's committed by someone in China or India or in Rome. We should not do anything like this." ???

OR

- They would have acted against the rape?

Informer
17th February 2009, 13:43
According to South African newspaper the man was South African and not Pakistani

http://www.news24.com/Images/Photos/2009021709350617_Asma220.jpg

Asma Firfirey from Elsies River talks about how her brother-in-law abused her late sister. (Neil Baynes, Die Burger)

------------------------------------------------------------------------


'Monster decapitated my sister'
17/02/2009 09:49 - (SA)



Melissa Nel, Die Burger

Cape Town - An Elsies River woman is concerned about her sister's children, after her brother-in-law allegedly decapitated her sister in the US.

Asma Firfirey, 42, on Monday wanted to know how her brother-in-law could still be in charge of the children.

The brother-in-law was due to appear in a Buffalo court on Tuesday to argue for custody of their children.

Firfirey said she and her husband, Amier, 49, were talking to her sister, Aasiya, 37, on the telephone last Thursday, when they heard her tell her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, to calm down and that they could talk the following day about the divorce.

Then they heard sounds that sounded like her sister was struggling to breathe.

On Friday, they were informed by a family member that her sister had died.

"I can only imagine how scared and emotional she must have been before she died."

Hassan was last week arrested after allegedly decapitating his wife at his business, Bridges TV.

Police are still searching for the weapon, reported a local newspaper, Buffalo News.

'Fat man with evil eyes'

Fifirey believes Hassan, whom she calls "the fat man with the evil eyes" will be more dangerous when he is released on bail.

The children, Rania, 4, and Danyal, 6, are currently being cared for by a colleague of Hassan's.

Fifirey said the last time her sister had been in South Africa was in May last year, and that on her arrival, she had been assaulted so badly that they had to pay R30 000 in medical fees.

Firfirey said her sister returned to America as she "didn't want to leave her children with that monster". She also wanted to complete her MBA.

Hassan would have graduated on March 6.

Blistering Barnacle
17th February 2009, 14:24
There is a problem with the way women are treated in many muslim countries, but this is not indicative of it. These guys are just general psychos.

deviously~fading~away
17th February 2009, 19:20
Since when is it a regularity for Pakistanis to behead their spouses? :ibutt Dont quote the Taliban killings, they're a minority.

By your same logic, terrorist has now been associated with muslims across the globe. Does that make it everybody's problem ?
Firstly I didn't say Pakistani, I said Muslims. Taliban might be a minority but their actions cause them to be in the international limelight which is why such a minority's action start to be associated with a certain group of people.

I didn't understand your second point.

Cheguvera
17th February 2009, 21:28
Ridiculous to bring that in to it Cheg. You're post stinks of bias.

Truth stinks even more...

filosofee
17th February 2009, 23:42
I can easily scan the papers of the world and find ghastly murders / deeds by any amount of people from any nation / religion of the world. Just last week a south african school teacher was up on raping one of is students. Must be the teachers ethos then.

Crazy stuff to even consider that this beheading wad one due to his culture or his heritage. It was the act of a sick individual.

Is there violence towards women in pakistan? Sure is. So too there is violence against women in every part of the globe, regardless of ethnicity or religion.

Is it wrong? Ofcourse it is. Women, the world over, deserve respect everyday. They are our mothers, our wives, our sisters, our children's mothers. In other words, women are the mothers of our nations.

Good post Keith, thank you for it.

Domestic violence transcends culture and religion and should be seen as part of the problem of 'humanity' - that aspect in us that wants to seriously destroy that which we cannot control.

Wiji
19th February 2009, 03:56
How is this connected with Islam or being Muslim? A crime is a crime - commited by an Israeli soldier, a palestinian gunman or a TV presenter.

Because he was the founder of an Islamic channel. So people would naturally assume that he represents a reasonably passionate Muslim.

MIG
19th February 2009, 12:45
How about this headline

"TV producer beheads his wife" - in the text of the article, it tells you that he runs an Islamic channel [Notice that in this way, we dont say that a devout Muslim has beheaded his wife due to some religious compulsion, thereby staining the name of Islam]

Note that this man never said or claimed to be a Muslim preacher or published any thoughts on Islam etc

Its all about spin.

Momo
19th February 2009, 13:03
Yes headlines can make all the difference. How about "An american nut-job beheads wife"? :)

But in all fairness, the reporting of the article in the OP is not that bad. The spin was imparted by our very talented resident carom-googly bowler. :)

Random Aussie
19th February 2009, 14:12
Because he was the founder of an Islamic channel. So people would naturally assume that he represents a reasonably passionate Muslim.

Spot on.

No doubting Western media does like to kick Muslims when they can but in this case of course they are going to report on the Islamic channel because it was what the guy did.

And then can run into some more articles about Islam and the role of women. Media is always looking for a story especially one that will create more stories and save them having to go find some stories on their own.

If he was actor they would talk about his acting - and analyse it.
Musician the same, journalist, cricketer whatever. It is going to get mentioned.

161
19th February 2009, 16:52
How about this headline

"TV producer beheads his wife" - in the text of the article, it tells you that he runs an Islamic channel [Notice that in this way, we dont say that a devout Muslim has beheaded his wife due to some religious compulsion, thereby staining the name of Islam]

Note that this man never said or claimed to be a Muslim preacher or published any thoughts on Islam etc

Its all about spin.


Ask yourself this question .. if John Doe Catholic Bishop rapes a boy would the media report it as "John Doe rapes a boy" or "Prominent Catholic Bishop rapes a boy ?

Just as there is a connection between Catholic clergy and child molestation .. there is an obvious and pertinent connection here between Pakistanis and violence against women.

MIG
19th February 2009, 19:09
But Bhai, is this man a prominent Muslim Cleric? Btw, now you are talking about Pakistanis and violence and not mentioning Muslim.

observer1
19th February 2009, 19:33
Ask yourself this question .. if John Doe Catholic Bishop rapes a boy would the media report it as "John Doe rapes a boy" or "Prominent Catholic Bishop rapes a boy ?

Just as there is a connection between Catholic clergy and child molestation .. there is an obvious and pertinent connection here between Pakistanis and violence against women.

Bro, i agree there is a disturbingly high level of ill-treatment from some Males against Females in Paindoo areas in Pakistan. Such culture has rubbed off onto other Pakistani's. As is the case here.

Which is why i feel it's important Pakistani's understand this, and begin to treat their wives/sisters etc. with a little more incompetent.

It's our moral Islamic duty not only to point it out, but to educate these people with the correct method, and make the ignorant understand.

Let's forget what the media has to say for now, and try to take this on a personal basis