Is Shoaib Akhtar injured/unfit?

[Sohaib]

Just wondering what has happened to him? This guy said he's full fit and raring to go out and deliver his best. But now I'm totally confused. lol I think some people are correct that he gets fit for one match and gets injured and rests for two matches lol

Anyway here's what I'm talking about.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/counties/4659619.stm

[Monsee]

Same story...a slight niggle while fielding

I think Pak will do better to include him in ODIs and then allow the now allowed-sub to carry a chair next to Shoaib...allowing him to sit on that while he is not bowling, or in between each ball when he bowls...that will minimize the chance of him accidentally fielding or doing anything silly like that and getting injured

Still not sure if that will work completely:20:

[Kashif]

Monsee, you should see the new Cricket 2005 game released by EA Sports. The way Akhter celebrates, he is going to do himself some serious permanent damage.

[Amoeba]

What you mean - Shoaib takes wickets in the computer game? Now that's unrealistic!

[pakistani pride]

When will he get his super form back .... when ? ? ?

[Mercenary]

these days its easier to ask 'is shoaib fit' because its taken for granted that he's unfit!

[i m gr8]

Well we will find out in half an hour :

http://pak.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/WORCS_YORKS_CC2_08-11JUL2005.html

The match will start at 10 GMT , 20 minutes remaining i think

[i m gr8]

Seems like he isnt fit :2:

Worcestershire team:
SC Moore, SM Davies, GA Hick, BF Smith, Z de Bruyn,
DKH Mitchell, *GJ Batty, Kabir Ali, +DJ Pipe, MS Mason,
MN Malik.

[sehsan]

he is looser. he can just talkkkkkkkkk

[Monsee]

he is looser. he can just talkkkkkkkkk


.......and that too in his Pakistani/Irish/Aussie/Jamaican/English...Accent:3:

[Gasherbrum]

here we go again ...

[Monsee]

here we go again ...


Ferrari/Jet has been sidelined due to technical issues...stay tuned for further updates

In the mean time, you can pay attention to the mottor mouth that will release the following soon "I am a Great...I have no peers...I am super fit...my county management don't know how to handle a super sonic plane like me...I always give my 100%...since I am fit, but the county management wrongly sidelined me, I will prove my fitness by riding this motor bike/ Fast car / Ski Boat etc...I will be in a club dancing the night away but any pictures of me having a good time will be all just fake cause I don't do those things"

[Sohaib]

ROFLOL ^ Monsee

[Noman]

Where has Noddy bhai gone?

[pakistani pride]

its a shame simple !

[Noman]

Well this is the first match, and he hasnt played one and he is allready injure....


Well done Shoaib.........

[Saj]

not the most auspicious of starts for Shoaib. Apparently he is suffering from a calf injury.

If I were a County Chairman signing him I would ensure that the contract is based upon a "Pay as you Play" deal.

Its a big few months for Shoaibs long term career. He really does need a good stint at Worcester to enable him to get back into the International set up. A poor stint with Worcestershire and who knows what may happen.

[Noman]

Very nice written Saj bhai...


Yeah Shoaib need to show the world that he is still the best....

and im sure Saj that u could a good future County chairman........

[Sohaib]

Hmmmmm......I think this will force him out the Rest of the World squad for Super Series.

[Noman]

no ....

[Mercenary]

I wonder if Shoaib supporters are still insisting he's fit enought o play a test match!! He cant even reach 4 overs now!!!

[Shayan_Sohail]

I wonder if Shoaib supporters are still insisting he's fit enought o play a test match!! He cant even reach 4 overs now!!!

As far as i know the injury didn't have anything to do with his bowling. A slip in the field is what was stated as the cause of the injury, now i didn't see the match myself so i can't state how serious the slip was.

[Mercenary]

As far as i know the injury didn't have anything to do with his bowling. A slip in the field is what was stated as the cause of the injury, now i didn't see the match myself so i can't state how serious the slip was.

Given Akhtar's track record it would have had to been a life threatening injury for the great man to end up limping off the field and miss the very next game.

Also as a great fan of his selfless fielding where he dives and flies after the ball without giving a second thought to his personal safety I can well imagine him getting injured through his usual dedicated fielding... :4:

After all I dont understand why such a big deal is being made out of this, its not like Shoaib Akhtar Superstar Cricketer gets injured very often is it...

http://www.rlca.com.pk/images/shoaibakhtar1.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40643000/jpg/_40643479_shoaib.jpg
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/18/wbshoaib_wideweb__430x209.jpg

[Monsee]

HeHeHe...Nice post Merc

Shoaib should compete in the "Fittest man on this Plannet" competition...NOT:3:

[Shayan_Sohail]

The whole discussion about shoaib being fit enough to play for pakistan right now is really pointless. How shoaib's fitness is by the end of his county stint will really determine if he is coming back or not. I understand he i not the fittest right now but he has four or five months to improve his fitness lets see if he is able to do hat or not.

[Geordie Ahmed]

The whole discussion about shoaib being fit enough to play for pakistan right now is really pointless. How shoaib's fitness is by the end of his county stint will really determine if he is coming back or not. I understand he i not the fittest right now but he has four or five months to improve his fitness lets see if he is able to do hat or not.

Actually he has 3 and a half months! BUT that aside! Before the Australia tour he had about 2-3 months (one off game againts India) to sort his fitness out BUT it was still poor come the aussie tour! After he broke down in the VB series he had about 7 weeks to get fit for the India tour BUT he wasnt there - AND then he had from the India tour another 2 months to get fit BUT he was not in the Windies - and since then he has had another 6-7 weeks to get fit for his county BUT he goes off in the 20-20 and doesnt play the following game!

I think you can give this guy 12 months BUT nowt will improve - he doesnt give a cr@p about anyone BUT himself! He had a central contract BUT he didnt lose any weight (which prevented him from playing)
Since last november Shoaib fans have been saying he has this much time and he has that much time to get fit - WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE - Shoaib will never be "FIT" - he is officially touching 30 BUT im sure like many other pakistani players he is older! If Shoaib wanted to be fit and cared about it he would have done something about it years ago!

[Shayan_Sohail]

Actually he has 3 and a half months! BUT that aside! Before the Australia tour he had about 2-3 months (one off game againts India) to sort his fitness out BUT it was still poor come the aussie tour! After he broke down in the VB series he had about 7 weeks to get fit for the India tour BUT he wasnt there - AND then he had from the India tour another 2 months to get fit BUT he was not in the Windies - and since then he has had another 6-7 weeks to get fit for his county BUT he goes off in the 20-20 and doesnt play the following game!

I think you can give this guy 12 months BUT nowt will improve - he doesnt give a cr@p about anyone BUT himself! He had a central contract BUT he didnt lose any weight (which prevented him from playing)
Since last november Shoaib fans have been saying he has this much time and he has that much time to get fit - WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE - Shoaib will never be "FIT" - he is officially touching 30 BUT im sure like many other pakistani players he is older! If Shoaib wanted to be fit and cared about it he would have done something about it years ago!

Before Australia Pakistan played against srilanka in late october in which shoaib got injured(and this was definitely a genuine injury anyone who watched the match should know that) so he did not have 2-3 months but at most 1 month which was spent recovering from injury. In the VB series he 'Broke down' yes he did he hurt his hamstring if you remember correctly in that 7 week period both physios took a vacation and it did not turn out to be a long enough time for shoaib to completely recover and Shoaib stepped out of the tour himself because of the advice of imran khan. And for the westindies test shoaib declared himself fit but was not even offered a fitness test.

Another thing people must realize it is not the easiest of thing for players to keep themself in shape when dealing with injury and perhaps shoaib had gained some weight and as Wasim Akram said it happens to fast bowlers at times but it is temporary and playing competitive cricket helps you get back in shape.

As for this injury i really can't comment much on it as i don't know what exactly happened all i know is that it was not bowling related as it is stated that he slipped in the field. But really people are using this injury to suggest that shoaib can't even bowl 4 overs which without really knowing the truth is just a wild assumtion.

[Noman]

agree Sohail... but still Shoaib should work on his fitness...

[Monsee]

Shoaib stepped out of the tour himself because of the advice of imran khan. And for the westindies test shoaib declared himself fit but was not even offered a fitness test.

When the player is looking like a bloated cow, especially when he is an all out Fast Bowler, who has a 25+ meter run up, it doesn't take a genius to determine that this guy is not FIT or he will Break down again, soon...hence no need of a Fitness Test. Fitness Tests are for players who look like to be in shape, not for those who look like they just ate a lamb!:16:



But really people are using this injury to suggest that shoaib can't even bowl 4 overs which without really knowing the truth is just a wild assumtion.

You do mean to tell us that you have been sleeping through all those matches, in the recent past, where Shoaib barely completed 3-4 overs and was looking like he was gonna have a heart attack if he is not taken off soon...most of those times, he got off the field to get some treatment or to get a breather, before coming back on the field...That is anything but a Fit Shoaib! You guys can keep pretending that he is fit and all of us are just making it up about him being Unfit/Fat...but pictures do tell the story and so does the live coverage/video tapes




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[Amir]

Players do gain weight as they get older, like you can see Wasim did, however you have to change your game and your fitness program. Shoaib has a 30 meter run up and obviously he is gaining weight. If he cannot lose that weight, his only other option is too bowl of a shortened run up to converse energy. He bowled off a shorten run up in the Asia cup and was still bowling at 90mph on those dead tracks of Sri Lanka! He tried it once in Australia while he was injured, he got hit and then gave up and started to blame BOb for all his problems.

[zaf1986]

Its not about 4 or 5 overs now, 2.5 is what he managed the last time he played an international match :3:

http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2004-05/OD_TOURNEYS/VBS/SCORECARDS/PAK_WI_VBS_ODI3_19JAN2005.html

[Shoaib A]

I see nothing wrong in Shoaibs well discussed personal life, like drinking, like going to parties, like enjoying life, but of course he have to be fit for the match, that is what counts....If people don't like his personal life, then they should not put interest in it. Just look at his cricket, thats all they should do! and don't make conclusions due to his personal life and other reasons effecting his cricket....I have heard enough of that.... ;)......and yes I agree, he should be match focused when playing....

[Geordie Ahmed]

I see nothing wrong in Shoaibs well discussed personal life, like drinking, like going to parties, like enjoying life, but of course he have to be fit for the match, that is what counts....If people don't like his personal life, then they should not put interest in it. Just look at his cricket, thats all they should do! and don't make conclusions due to his personal life and other reasons effecting his cricket....I have heard enough of that.... ;)......and yes I agree, he should be match focused when playing....

How can you say his personal life does not affect his cricket???
If Shoaib wants to drink and party i cudnt give a rats BUT when it affects his on field performance then i can voice my disagreement!
Shoaib has a PCB central contract and he shud remain fit at all times - if he isnt fit then he shudnt be out partying!

[Shayan_Sohail]

How can you say his personal life does not affect his cricket???
If Shoaib wants to drink and party i cudnt give a rats BUT when it affects his on field performance then i can voice my disagreement!
Shoaib has a PCB central contract and he shud remain fit at all times - if he isnt fit then he shudnt be out partying!

How does his partying affect his on field performance? he comes on the field drunk or something?

This is what wasim said about shoaib's partying: "He played under my captaincy a lot and it is true he has a bit of an excessive lifestyle. But on the field frankly speaking he tried hard and was quite successful. Because we knew how to use him."

So should i take the words of our past great or you. Even Bob and Inzi have never stated that they have had problems with shoaib's lifestyle all they have talked about is his commitment and fitness. Only we have made an issue out of his lifestyle.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Commitment???
What do they mean by commitment then???

[Shayan_Sohail]

Commitment???
What do they mean by commitment then???

The whole no "I" in team thing and be a team player stuff. They mean be more committed on the field not off it. I don't personally agree with it but thats what i believe they mean by commitment.

[Monsee]

The whole no "I" in team thing and be a team player stuff. They mean be more committed on the field not off it. I don't personally agree with it but thats what i believe they mean by commitment.


Then why argue when you don't believe the Skipper and Coach...they are all conspiring against lord Shoaib!

People no use discussing this any further:21:

[Shayan_Sohail]

Then why argue when you don't believe the Skipper and Coach...they are all conspiring against lord Shoaib!

People no use discussing this any further:21:

Look i have no problems with the coach and the skipper infact i have alot of respect for both inzi and Woolmer they have overall done a very good job. My only problem comes with the way they handled the shoaib issue look at the way inzi has talked about shoaib in the media. During the indian series Inzi said shoaib is an asset to the team and will come back and then before West indies tour he stated shoaib is not a team man and is not good for the team after that statement now he is saying again that shoaib is an asset to the team and will come back when fit. The coach has on numerous occasions questioned shoaib's commitment on his website after the aussie series but when he comes to media he says the only reason we didn pick shoaib was fitness(and this was stated about the same time Inzi said shoaib was not picked because of his attitude). So they have been giving mixed messages about shoaib to the fans and as a fan i expected these two to have handled the situation in a better way.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Look i have no problems with the coach and the skipper infact i have alot of respect for both inzi and Woolmer they have overall done a very good job. My only problem comes with the way they handled the shoaib issue look at the way inzi has talked about shoaib in the media. During the indian series Inzi said shoaib is an asset to the team and will come back and then before West indies tour he stated shoaib is not a team man and is not good for the team after that statement now he is saying again that shoaib is an asset to the team and will come back when fit. The coach has on numerous occasions questioned shoaib's commitment on his website after the aussie series but when he comes to media he says the only reason we didn pick shoaib was fitness(and this was stated about the same time Inzi said shoaib was not picked because of his attitude). So they have been giving mixed messages about shoaib to the fans and as a fan i expected these two to have handled the situation in a better way.

Lets be frank Shayan - whichever way these two handled it SHOAIB fans wud not have been happy! you seem to think the whole world is against him - why is it that BW/Inzi dont question Sami's commitment, Rana's commitment, Razzaq's commitment, YK's commitment, Gul's commitment etc etc etc - There has to be a reason Shoaibs commitment is talked about and i for one believe he does have an attitude/commitment problem - i think drinking/partying when unfit is a major attitude/commitment issue! a truely committed professional would concentrate on getting his fitness back up instead of wooing he/she's in his Aussie/Irish/Pakistani/Geordie accent!

[Monsee]

Look i have no problems with the coach and the skipper infact i have alot of respect for both inzi and Woolmer they have overall done a very good job. My only problem comes with the way they handled the shoaib issue look at the way inzi has talked about shoaib in the media. During the indian series Inzi said shoaib is an asset to the team and will come back and then before West indies tour he stated shoaib is not a team man and is not good for the team after that statement now he is saying again that shoaib is an asset to the team and will come back when fit. The coach has on numerous occasions questioned shoaib's commitment on his website after the aussie series but when he comes to media he says the only reason we didn pick shoaib was fitness(and this was stated about the same time Inzi said shoaib was not picked because of his attitude). So they have been giving mixed messages about shoaib to the fans and as a fan i expected these two to have handled the situation in a better way.



Maybe at first they are trying through the private channels to sort out everything but due to lack of effort from Mr. Shoaib or no co-operation from him...they get frustrated and that stuff comes out in Public!

God knows what is the real issue but "If anyone says there is no issue with Shoaib's attitude and he is an angel and he is just being mistreated" then I don't know what to say...all I know is that there is something that goes on in the background...don't really know what it is though!

[Shoaib A]

How does his partying affect his on field performance? he comes on the field drunk or something?

This is what wasim said about shoaib's partying: "He played under my captaincy a lot and it is true he has a bit of an excessive lifestyle. But on the field frankly speaking he tried hard and was quite successful. Because we knew how to use him."

So should i take the words of our past great or you. Even Bob and Inzi have never stated that they have had problems with shoaib's lifestyle all they have talked about is his commitment and fitness. Only we have made an issue out of his lifestyle.


I totally agree.....yea people made it up, regarding his lifestyle, instead of looking into his performances....his partying and so on does not effect his fitness....shoaib has always been shoaib...thats it...

[Monsee]

a truely committed professional would concentrate on getting his fitness back up instead of wooing he/she's in his Aussie/Irish/Pakistani/Geordie accent!


HaHaHa:17: :5:

I can just imagine him throwing a line to a girl and she going "What did you say...I can't understand a word of what you said in your Jamaican/English/Aussie/Pakistani/Geordie accent":3:..."Get away from me you freakish Baldy"

[Monsee]

I totally agree.....yea people made it up, regarding his lifestyle, instead of looking into his performances....his partying and so on does not effect his fitness....shoaib has always been shoaib...thats it...


Keep believing that guys...coach and skipper have other ideas about that

Shaoib will not change, fine....then he will not be part of the team on a regular basis either :7:

[Shayan_Sohail]

Lets be frank Shayan - whichever way these two handled it SHOAIB fans wud not have been happy! you seem to think the whole world is against him - why is it that BW/Inzi dont question Sami's commitment, Rana's commitment, Razzaq's commitment, YK's commitment, Gul's commitment etc etc etc - There has to be a reason Shoaibs commitment is talked about and i for one believe he does have an attitude/commitment problem - i think drinking/partying when unfit is a major attitude/commitment issue! a truely committed professional would concentrate on getting his fitness back up instead of wooing he/she's in his Aussie/Irish/Pakistani/Geordie accent!

Bob and Inzi did not handle shoaib's case properly and that is a fact. If shoaib was wrong i am sure they could have handled him behind closed doors. What was the need to come out in the media and ridicule shoaib? how does that make shoaib any better of a person or how does that help make him be any more of a team player. All it does is it makes shoaib look bad in front of the world and it could possibly harm the relationship between shoaib and other players. What kind of captain and and coach come out in media to blast his own player?

It is not a matter of me being a shoaib fan or not but Bob and Inzi could certainly have handled this situation in a much better way.

[Big Mac]

IT's been handled behind closed doors on previous occasions and nothing has changed. It was time that someone came out and gave him a kick up the backside in public to see if that might work because nothing else has made a difference

[Shayan_Sohail]

IT's been handled behind closed doors on previous occasions and nothing has changed. It was time that someone came out and gave him a kick up the backside in public to see if that might work because nothing else has made a difference

What a sad logic!

All of our past captains have handled the situation behind closed doors and shoaib has performed fine under them without problems.

How does coming out in the media help at all? He is part of the team why can't they say what they don't like about shoaib in his face? Coming out in the media and blasting shoaib will help him become a better player?

All it does is it ridicules shoaib in public, It harms his confidence, and also it gives a bad image of the team what kind of message are you giving to the world by communicating with your own player through media? How very team like.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Bob and Inzi did not handle shoaib's case properly and that is a fact. If shoaib was wrong i am sure they could have handled him behind closed doors. What was the need to come out in the media and ridicule shoaib? how does that make shoaib any better of a person or how does that help make him be any more of a team player. All it does is it makes shoaib look bad in front of the world and it could possibly harm the relationship between shoaib and other players. What kind of captain and and coach come out in media to blast his own player?

It is not a matter of me being a shoaib fan or not but Bob and Inzi could certainly have handled this situation in a much better way.

Firstly Shoaib needs no one's help to make him look bad!
Secondlyl im sure the other players have given comments hinting that "superstars" are not needed - correct me if im wrong BUT didnt Rana say something along those lines!
AND Finally many a footballing coach/captain have criticised their players in public and IT DOES WORK - the professional players respond to that by working hard BUT the unprofessional's ego gets hurt!

[Shayan_Sohail]

Firstly Shoaib needs no one's help to make him look bad!
Secondlyl im sure the other players have given comments hinting that "superstars" are not needed - correct me if im wrong BUT didnt Rana say something along those lines!
AND Finally many a footballing coach/captain have criticised their players in public and IT DOES WORK - the professional players respond to that by working hard BUT the unprofessional's ego gets hurt!

By bringing football in you agree this is not regular in cricket? Constructive criticism helps i agree but completely blasting a player in the media does not help both the team and the player.

[Schiller]

You can't keep defending someone who doesnt want to help himself.

[Shayan_Sohail]

You can't keep defending someone who doesnt want to help himself.

The above sounds like a line from some bollywood movie.

Whether Akhtar wants to help himself or not will be witnesed after the county season when Pak plays England.

[Schiller]

i wasnt aware it sounded like a line from a bollywood movies (something which you seem to be an expert of apparently) ;)