Why are people so fickle?

[waqar_ahmad]

We won the T20 WC, and pakistani fans were praising the team all around.

Now, we got out for 90 in the first innings of the 2nd test, and suddenly this team was crap.

YK suddenly turned from a good captain, to someone who doesn't know cricket. Someone who wanted to destroy Fawad Alam's career.

What do you have to say now? Fawad Alam just cracked a century. Was this still a bad move?

I am used to knee jerk reactions from pakistani fans, but sometimes, it gets annoying.

[pakistani pride]

No MYK still is a good player and we still support pak team !
The excuse they used to let fawad open was just stupid.

The so called seniors should have taken the role fawad executed, they are scared and just put him in front. that attitude makes fans angry !

[t_kaay]

its just natural, you see it in all teams and all supporters....when they win they are kings in our eyes, but when they lose then they better take cover!!!

[zarak]

We won the T20 WC, and pakistani fans were praising the team all around.

Now, we got out for 90 in the first innings of the 2nd test, and suddenly this team was crap.

YK suddenly turned from a good captain, to someone who doesn't know cricket. Someone who wanted to destroy Fawad Alam's career.

What do you have to say now? Fawad Alam just cracked a century. Was this still a bad move?

I am used to knee jerk reactions from pakistani fans, but sometimes, it gets annoying.

agreed 100% it really annoys me. people should form opinions ahead of time and stick with them. Or wait before seeing the whole picturYe and forming new ones. Yesterday Umar Gul wasnt a test bowler. Today he is class.

[pacman]

Nothing wrong with Younis or his captaincy. They batted poorly, plain and simple. Lets get over it.

Fawad is special. Have been looking forward to him playing, and really, he has really shown why he is needed in the lineup.

[Usman Chadda]

...someone who wanted to destroy Fawad Alam's career...Say what? O_o

YK must be commended for picking Fawad in the side in the first place! I do agree with the majority, however, that Fawad is more suited to the middle-order than the opening role. Definitely looks much more assured out there compared to both Malik and Misbah. He has definitely made a strong case with this fantastic century

[Amoeba]

It is no more than natural. If a team suffers two dramatic collapses in such a short space of time then serious questions need to be asked. I would be more worried if they weren't. However I suggest, if anything, we tend to praise too much and criticise too little. Maybe I'm just a glass half empty kind of fellow.......................

We won the T20 World Cup. That doesn't mean we have a decent team in the truest form of the game. However I do believe that we do have the potential to do very well in the 5 day format, especially as Australia aren't as good as they used to be.

[siccric]

I swear, it's so annoying when people have their knee jerk reactions.

I, for one, am proud of the fact that I don't react to things so quickly. I don't get suicidal, or give up hope, or just stop watching cricket altogether due to the games unpredictability

Today's test match is a prime example. Weird things happen in cricket. England drew a lost match yesterday, and Pakistan are back on par with SL after being bowled out for 90. Anyway, I can't answer your question about people being fickle but I can assure you I'm not :P

[ehjaz]

I think we Pakistanis are very emotional, and do not apply logic when it comes to situations like these............

[Amoeba]

I think we Pakistanis are very emotional, and do not apply logic when it comes to situations like these............


...............a bit like our batters

[Juggernaut]

I think we Pakistanis are very emotional, and do not apply logic when it comes to situations like these............

I think you hit the nail right on the head there

[Oxy]

Who are you calling 'fick'?

[waqar_ahmad]

It is no more than natural. If a team suffers two dramatic collapses in such a short space of time then serious questions need to be asked. I would be more worried if they weren't. However I suggest, if anything, we tend to praise too much and criticise too little. Maybe I'm just a glass half empty kind of fellow.......................

We won the T20 World Cup. That doesn't mean we have a decent team in the truest form of the game. However I do believe that we do have the potential to do very well in the 5 day format, especially as Australia aren't as good as they used to be.
Some of us praise too much, and most of criticize too much.

I know T20 IS NOT a good measure of class, but I was referring to how quickly we change our minds.

As for dramatic collapses, when have we NOT had them? Even our best teams have caved in for low scores.

What annoys me the most though, is how peopel can turn YK from hero to villian. The guy has constantly proved that he is a smart captain, and can inspire his team.

I mean he has played more cricket than any of us. Yet, we claim to be the experts all the damn time, criticizing all his decisions, even before waiting fo the results

[waqar_ahmad]

Say what? O_o

YK must be commended for picking Fawad in the side in the first place! I do agree with the majority, however, that Fawad is more suited to the middle-order than the opening role. Definitely looks much more assured out there compared to both Malik and Misbah. He has definitely made a strong case with this fantastic century
Yeah man, read some of the posts. People accused YK of trying to destroy Fawad's career. It was shameful, to say the least.

Before the match, I was thinking the same thing, that Fawad should be opening the batting. And look what he did, scored a 100.

I mean some people are armchair critics, and on top of that, they question a guy's sincerity by saying he is destroying Fawad's career. Just pathetic!!

[atiff_uk]

ive always said to follow pakistan you have to have a big heart and be prepared for anything..

i am just thinking and it brings shivers down my spine when i think this. To follow and support Pakistan is the best thing ever.. the Pakistani cricket team are capable for anything and the certain unperdictablity of supporting them adds to the attraction...there is a certain romance between the supporter and the team.. which are no other team provide no matter how much you try.

[spectator]

just like the team, fans are unpredictable too

[waqar_ahmad]

just like the team, fans are unpredictable too
This is not unpredictable behavior. This is how pakistani fans are. And its just getting worse

[Amoeba]

Some of us praise too much, and most of criticize too much.



Possibly but some people are already calling Fawad a great player, not merely a good one. Considering that it is at least 5000 Test runs premature this surely falls in to the former category. That is the definition of fickle.

[waqar_ahmad]

Possibly but some people are already calling Fawad a great player, not merely a good one. Considering that it is at least 5000 Test runs premature this surely falls in to the former category. That is the definition of fickle.
Over hyping, thats not somethign new to PP, now is it. Remember Talha and Sohail Khan?

[Oxy]

Ive seen so much rubbish about 'Fawad break the 400 run record' type post.

Cant seem to think beyond extremes! 2 bad games, and they'll turn him into a FTB ******** and beg for Faisal Iqbal to come back!

[Amoeba]

.............. and beg for Faisal Iqbal to come back!


Surely things can't be that bad...............tell me the sun is gonna rise tomorrow....................

[aashiqmizaaj]

Fawad scoring a hundred is great - however, he is not an opener and while it appears that YK's move has paid off, the more likely outcomes would have been Fawad failing - not because he's not capable of performing, but because he isn't being used properly.

Now moves like these are what set the fans into a bit of a tizzy especially when a move like that is accompanied by a 90 all out scorecard. Of course we're all happy that the team has managed to regain some strength in the match but the ad-hoc moves and decisions need to change if we want to compete at the highest level in the highest form of the game.

[abc_to_xyz]

1. I still say that Younis should give his captaincy back to Malik.
2. Fawad is a good middle order batsman, and it can be used for opening slot (as there are no openers around).. But where are there two inform openers around, Fawad can come good as Younis/Yousaf as a middle order batsman.. Some tough times for Malik and Misbah.
3. Team never got consistent in any format other then T20.. Thats why I never celebrated that T20 cup victory.. I predicted it to all my fellows when I saw India vs Pak as a practice match.. Think about it...

[subshakerz]

[QUOTE=abc_to_xyz]1. I still say that Younis should give his captaincy back to Malik.
QUOTE]

What?! What did Malik achieve to merit a return to captaincy? He is not even assured of a place in the team...

[waqar_ahmad]

1. I still say that Younis should give his captaincy back to Malik.
2. Fawad is a good middle order batsman, and it can be used for opening slot (as there are no openers around).. But where are there two inform openers around, Fawad can come good as Younis/Yousaf as a middle order batsman.. Some tough times for Malik and Misbah.
3. Team never got consistent in any format other then T20.. Thats why I never celebrated that T20 cup victory.. I predicted it to all my fellows when I saw India vs Pak as a practice match.. Think about it...
I think someone said this before, and I am going to say it again.

You are by far the worst cricket poster on PP

[Zaz]

Pakistani supporters arent fickle

They know the talent/ability the team has, all that they want is a consistency in their play like an aussie team or sth african

Just go out and put in a good performance more times than not, but wot we get is opposite we can go from the abysmal to the exhilarating from one day to another for no apparent reason and its very frustrating because we are so much better than that

[kingusama92]

It's understandable if fans have such reactions because we did really well in the 1st test for the first four days and then completely lost it in the 5th when it should have been smooth sailing.

Then in the second test we collapse again for 90. If people aren't getting mad at that then it would have been shameful because it would mean we don't care about our team.

Mostly all the fans are behind the team they just vent out their disappointment and rightly so.

[Stewie]

Most Pakistani fans are couch cricketers and experts who really dont know have any clue about the game of cricket and that includes 90 percent of members on this forum.

There are some who I have observed to be fairly knowledgable but mostly they make anyone who can hit two three sixes a batsman without any regard for their technique.

[dani2k]

They know the talent/ability the team has, all that they want is a consistency in their play like an aussie team or sth african



That would be so Un-Pakistani! :13:

[Stewie]

I would not mind us losing a few games if we win major tournaments and test series.

I want to see us beat Australia, West Indies and South Africa in their countries in test series. I dont care if we do it 3-2 or 2-1 or 1-0 as long a we can do it.

[darkmoon459]

To Pakistani fans
by Imran Yousuf
06/20/2009


Imran Yusuf offers advice to archetypal supporters of the Pakistan cricket team on the eve of the Twenty20 World Cup Final.

To the die-hard fan with an encyclopedic knowledge of Pakistan cricket who, every match, stares open-mouthed at the selection of Fawad Alam and asks, dumbfounded, ‘What is he doing there?’: Man, just get over it. It’s like the meaning of life, or one of Donald Rumsfeld’s ‘known unknowns’. Just resign yourself to the fact that some things are forever beyond the understanding of us mere mortals.

To the guy whose girlfriend has developed a really annoying crush on Shahid Afridi: An Afridi 50 means we’ll probably win the match and be World Champions. An Afridi failure means your girlfriend will go back to seeing him as a floppy-haired loser. For you, it’s a win-win situation, so stop worrying and love the Lala.

To the grand-father who keeps saying ‘Test cricket is the only cricket I’m interested in’: Nobody believes you anymore, you’ve watched every game in the tournament and every time you watch a Test match you fall asleep within 10 minutes. Also, don’t think we haven’t noticed you following the Women’s T20 World Cup…

To the nervous wreck who keeps saying that Mohammad Aamir is too young to take the new ball and also to bowl at the death: Stop looking at his age and look at his performances. He’s been superb. And in any case, he might not be 17. The ages of young Pakistani cricketers are as dubious as those of old Hollywood actresses.

To the pseudo-intellectual who despises sports, dismissing them as charades diverting the masses from their real struggles, and claims to be reading in his room but is actually listening intently through the walls whenever voices are raised: Nothing matches sport for epic drama, narrative complexity, bodily intelligence, psychological strength and sheer fun. So put down your Albert Camus novel and join us in the TV room. And for what it’s worth, Camus once wrote that ‘what I most surely know in the long run about morality and the obligations of men, I owe to sport.’ Oh, it’s not all sport you despise, only cricket? Well then, how about this from another certain favourite of yours, Harold Pinter: ‘I tend to think that cricket is the greatest thing that God ever created on earth.’ Enough said.

To the Khala who barely watches the match because she’s continuously saying duas for the team: Pakistan cricket is not that important. Besides, God created everything for all eternity, so one imagines He probably enjoys Test cricket more than T20.

To the young Khala with a glint in her eye: I don’t mind you talking about the appeal of certain players in the team, but please try to use a word other than ‘dashing’ for Younis Khan. And yes, we know that Malik used to be cuter.

To the patience testing bore who spends most of the game, irrespective of the match situation, saying, ‘But you never, ever know with Pakistan’: Perhaps that’s true, but at least one always, always, always knows with you, and what you’re going to say. Put some chilli chips in your gob and shush up.

To the young man watching with his in-laws: This is your chance to let your hair down and release all that pent-up aggression caused by endless takalluf. Spew out gaalis, jump and shout. Enjoy yourself! For one night only your mother-in-law will turn a blind eye, and who knows, maybe your father-in-law will finally take a liking to you.

To the young woman watching with her in-laws: During the match your worst fears will be confirmed. You weren’t being paranoid – they really are that weird.

To the nice person who knows nothing about cricket but is curious by nature and has a genuine anthropological interest in what’s going on: Don’t ask. Not today. I’m not being rude, I just don’t think the Twenty20 World Cup Final is the time to explain why it’s not LBW when the ball pitches outside leg-stump.

To the uber-nationalist who thinks it’s all about Pakistan, that our side is blessed with unique divine talents, that we’re only really playing ourselves because if we play well nobody can stop us, and if the other team wins, it’s only because Pakistan had an off day: That’s somewhat conceited when the opposition includes Mendis, Murali, Malinga, Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Jayasuriya, Dilshan … (I’ll stop there. This is getting depressing.)

To British-Pakistanis: If we win, make sure you celebrate like there’s no tomorrow, because there probably won’t be for you. After blowing of all those horns, you’re all going to be locked up in prison for life on charges of noise pollution.

To the college student whose opinions seem suspiciously second-hand: We read Osman Samiuddin’s articles, too.

To the girl who loves to prove she’s one of the guys and (very loudly, so the whole room can hear), bemoans – and it is always a moan – Razzaq’s lack of pace and Kamran’s attempt to pull off too many pull-shots and Malik not clearing the field: We’ve noticed you only ever say negative things about the team – a clear case of trying too hard.

To the girl who really is one of the guys and actually knows her cricket inside out: Don’t worry about the girl above. We know who you are.

To the Pakistani-American kids who are here on their summer vacation and visiting family: Watch your language. Don’t say ‘pitcher’, ‘home run’ or ‘curve ball’, no matter how appropriate these parallels might be and however much they make you feel closer to your mother culture. Oh, and while we’re at it, it’s summer ‘holiday’, not ‘vacation’.

To the insecure middle-aged man who has always been indifferent about cricket and wishes he had more interest, but hasn’t watched a game since the last World Cup: Stop saying, ‘It’s ok. Misbah is still to come, he can win us the game.’ Just stop it. Misbah’s been awful all tournament and if nobody points this out to you, it’s because they don’t want to hurt your feelings.

To the serious Uncle who cautions against unbounded optimism and doesn’t believe we’re going to win even when we need 1 run off 38 balls with 7 wickets in hand: I know you’ve been burned by the Pakistan team so many times that you don’t want to make yourself vulnerable. But what’s the point of the game if you can’t loosen up and enjoy the moments as they’re happening? So chill out, smile with your family, cheer and chant alongside them. Be free. (However, this freedom does not extend to dancing. You are still not allowed to do that under any circumstances.)

To the guy who has recently found religion and now perceives it in everything he sees: When Pakistan win a match, it is not a victory for Islam and a triumph over infidels, just as, when we lose, it is not punishment from God.

To the Pakistani who is supporting Sri Lanka because of the wonderful time she had on holiday there, because the people there are so nice, and it’s a beautiful country: Why watch the match when there’s a direct flight from Quaid-e-Azam International to Colombo at 21.30? Oh, how we will miss you. Do send a postcard. Cheerio.

To the friend who masks his inner passion, nervousness and juvenile hope with an aloof demeanor and smart-ass one-liners: Stop being ironic about everything. It’s alright to lose your cool and admit your heart soars and leaps and does somersaults at the glorious sight of an Umer Gul run-up.

To all of us: In ‘Song of Myself’, Walt Whitman writes, ‘I also say it is good to fall, battles are lost in the same spirit in which they are won.’ Win or lose, if our team play with passion and commitment, we should all applaud them for the heroes they are, and thank them for the joyous diversion they’ve provided over these past two weeks. (Yeah right! If we lose, see you at Liberty Market for a good old-fashioned dose of effigy burning.)

[waqar_ahmad]

Most Pakistani fans are couch cricketers and experts who really dont know have any clue about the game of cricket and that includes 90 percent of members on this forum.

There are some who I have observed to be fairly knowledgable but mostly they make anyone who can hit two three sixes a batsman without any regard for their technique.
Very true. Here are some gems I read in the last few days:

1. YK should give the captaincy back to malik
2. YK is trying to destroy fawad's career
3. How Abdul Razzaq is the solution to our problems in tests.

[Stewie]

Very true.


Test cricket is a game of specialists and not make shift or bits and pieces players.

England and Australia are good at test cricket because they pick players based on their roles and slots in the team. They dont pick players for "in case **** happens" ... a batsman who can keep or a medium pace trundler because he can hit a few sixes.

[Juggernaut]

That would be so Un-Pakistani! :13:

No it wouldn't ... i hate this idea that we cannot achieve consistency ... yes the team has been having problems for the last few years but consistency can only be achieved when you have a stable lineup and play enough cricket something we're still struggling for


Very true. Here are some gems I read in the last few days:

1. YK should give the captaincy back to malik
2. YK is trying to destroy fawad's career
3. How Abdul Razzaq is the solution to our problems in tests.

That sentence is beyond belief


Ive seen so much rubbish about 'Fawad break the 400 run record' type post.

Cant seem to think beyond extremes! 2 bad games, and they'll turn him into a FTB ******** and beg for Faisal Iqbal to come back!

That is very true ... there's one post in which some guy says he should be the next captain

A message to all pakistani fans ... use your common sense and logic ... dont just jump on a bandwagon ... sometimes you have to think before you speak

[spectator]

some people will just go on and on for supporting their favourite players even when they are not performing. where is the accountability?? who is responsible for these collapses? send me in to bat. i can make 0 and deserve to be picked in the next match. what has rauf done so far in first test match based on which he was picked for 2nd test match with no history of test match cricket. he seems a ********. i regard faisal iqbal good player but isnt he a ******** at this point? what had he done to get a call in team?

what YK has been doing with his fun antics? Winning WC was just winning one more match from last WC. team has deteriorated so much. We can safly say this is the worst team pakistan has ever put on the field. Can anyone tell me one match winner player in this team currently??
and still people will do whatever to praise them and cry like hell if their favorite players are droped. enjoy. test cricket is fun!!

[spectator]

No it wouldn't ... i hate this idea that we cannot achieve consistency ... yes the team has been having problems for the

A message to all pakistani fans ... use your common sense and logic ... dont just jump on a bandwagon ... sometimes you have to think before you speak

why dont you suggest the team to use some common sense while playing?? you expect us to not speak up and let go bad performances on and on?? why ijazz butt is not putting pressure on these lazy guys to perform?? they seem so careless. treating test cricket as fun and entertainment. we need aggressive cricketers like from 90s who can play positive cricket. These guys feel like crying if only a little pressure is put on them. they deserver to play backyard cricket to be honest. but i am sick and tired of these illogical people who live in dreams and call pakistan team best team in the world. best bowling attack in world, best middle order batsmen in world and so on....

[Big Mac]

just like the team, fans are unpredictable too

The opposite is true. You know ahead of time which person will be criticising which player/coach/selector and nobody ever changes their tune, they just lower the volume when their favourite punching bag performs well.