Not an Islamic issue.

[kasoo10]

Struggle in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnia, Afghanistan and Iraq are political issues. By denouncing war tectics like suiside bombing and rendering them un-islamic we are creating an islamic link to it and falling for western propoganda.

These tectics, as popularly known today, have been used before by Japan and other non islamics. People fighting in above mentioned places want to free themselves from occupying forces.

How long are go going to let the west make it look like a religious issue when someone has to stand up and tell them that these are political issues and need to be resolved politically. This is not an islamic issue and has nothing to do with terrorism, extremism or fundamentalism. What would a non-islamic nation do in such circumstances is a question they have to answer.

Your comments...

[Geordie Ahmed]

Good post and i agree with what you say!

we do need to speak up about it BUT it is difficult when all the major media outlets dont want to hear it for whatever reasons

[kasoo10]

Just wanted to do this before I leave for home....


bump....

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaaukum

First of all brother, you are wrong.
Islaam and politics are one, you can not divide them, the deen of Al Islaam is a complete way of life. Secondly,if even a handspan of muslim land is under invasion it is jihaad fard ayn (oblatory upon the muslims ummah) to take up arms and fight, so of course it is a religous matter. Brother when you talk talk with knowledge.

[Oxy]

Hashim...how can he be wrong if it's his opinion? Please think twice before using potentially 'inflammatory' adjectives...

Is it so difficult to respect another view/opinion?

[Oxy]

This is a 'serious' thread... posts consisting solely of 'laughing' smilies, will be removed.

Thanks.

[entralinks]

Just yesterday I was listening to Dr. purIsrar Ahmed and he was saying along the same lines that these struggles are mostly political. Religion is used to attract or seduce more and more people to join in. It can be clear from one fact that none of these territories will ever become Islamic states after they get freedom or independence. They are always socialist, capitalist etc states. One example he gave was that if you bury a mango's seed, it will always grow a mango's tree and not a lemon's. If these struggles are purely Islamic, then only a pure Islamic state should arise from therein.

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaaymum

Brother entralinks raises a few good points mash'allaah. Oxy, i apoligise to him if i have offended him but the reality of the situiation is that his so called 'opinion' is a conflicting belief of the islamic faith, and i am pointing this out, that is how it is wrong. How can you say doing jihaad and fighting the occupatuion forces trying to repel them from the islamic land is not a islamic issue, subhanallaah this is common sense, ABC of islamic belief! Wa'laa'ha'walaah'wa'la'quwaataah!

[Oxy]

...because Hashim, everyone is entitled to their opinions. And Islam allows for differences of opinion and interpretation.

You seem able to give YOUR opinion and interpretation, yet accuse others of having no 'knowledge or common sense' when others give theirs.

Please be 'tolerant' of opposing opinion Hashim and feel free to be strong about your opinions. Thanks.

[zaf1986]

How can you say doing jihaad and fighting the occupatuion forces trying to repel them from the islamic land is not a islamic issue, subhanallaah this is common sense,
Because it is not up to every Tom, Dick and Harry to declare jihaad otherwise the Muslim world would be in even more chaos than it is.

[Hashim]

Aslaam Alaaykum

Ok oxy insh'allaah i understand.



zaf1986, you are right aswell, unfortuntkly this is not the case. As i ecplained when even a hand span of the muslim land is under attack/invasion it is fard ayn (obligatory) jihaad, so i still am baffled how he can think it is not a religious issue.

[kasoo10]

I could never pull this off. I saw Imran Khan on TV the other day and he presented this 'Thesis' in opposition to Moderation thesis. I think this theory has more benefits:

1. We do not need to re-interpret and re-invent our religion.
2. No one has to denounce those acts.
3. This invites all parties to the actual problem solving, instead of going through 1 and 2 above to create more problems and hatered amoung hardliners.
4. It also drives hardliners away from conducting more activities because they get the message that the problem is not religious but political and has to be resolved politically.

This is a political view point that can help us cope with existing situation and help resolve the problem. Once we separate this from religion it will be easier to resolve.

I am so bought into this thesis that now I feel bad when someone discusses current situations from a religious point of view. Just because someone did something in UK, why do we have to close all religious schools around the world?

[Kashif]

Just because someone did something in UK, why do we have to close all religious schools around the world?



Good discussion thread. People who bombed themselves did so because they felt strongly about Britain's presence in Iraq.

Busharraf bowed down to his western superiors by unneccesarily going down hard on madrasahs in Pakistan and kicking out genuine foreign students.

[Mercenary]

Whilst I agree that the new restrictions on Madrassahs was a knee jerk reaction by Musharraf, its also something which was long overdue in Pakistan.

There needs to be better regulation of these 'schools' to ensure that they arent indoctrinating young men with anti-western, anti-Xtian, anti-Shi'ite, anti-Sunni type ideas.

Most of these non-terrorist madrassahs just concentrate on teaching children how to read the Quran in Arabic and thats not really education. Education should be a mix of deen and duniya just as Islam itself is a combination of deen and duniya.

Concentrating on one aspect to the total exclusion of the other doesnt create well-rounded individuals nor does it create good Muslims. Also the hate being instilled in some of these madrassahs is far more harmful on a regular basis to Pakistan (sunni vs shia) than it is to the West who occasionally suffer a 9/11 or a 7/7.

[kasoo10]

Well this is hijacking the thread, it is not about madarsahs only. But, I do not mind discussing a little bit.

I think a better way to handle madarsah issue is to create more schools. Parents want to educate their children with both kind of education but shortage of schools in many areas is creating reliance on madarsas. Let us go to those fudle lords and ask them why they threaten and even kill teachers who are appointed to the schools in their areas.

[kasoo10]

This is my view of suiside bombing. Why do we link it with Islam?

[Gasherbrum]

because the bombers and those that train/support them link it with islam.

[kasoo10]

because the bombers and those that train/support them link it with islam.

Those people do dawah work (inviting people to Islam). Before they proceed with dawah they want to flush out bad elements. They find it easy to do by denouncing such acts rather then getting into a debate where they have to prove propoganda and real issues. There is hikmat (politics) in it.

[Long_Live_Pakistan]

I could never pull this off. I saw Imran Khan on TV the other day and he presented this 'Thesis' in opposition to Moderation thesis. I think this theory has more benefits:

1. We do not need to re-interpret and re-invent our religion.
2. No one has to denounce those acts.
3. This invites all parties to the actual problem solving, instead of going through 1 and 2 above to create more problems and hatered amoung hardliners.
4. It also drives hardliners away from conducting more activities because they get the message that the problem is not religious but political and has to be resolved politically.

This is a political view point that can help us cope with existing situation and help resolve the problem. Once we separate this from religion it will be easier to resolve.

I am so bought into this thesis that now I feel bad when someone discusses current situations from a religious point of view. Just because someone did something in UK, why do we have to close all religious schools around the world?


very well said.

[Invictus]

I dont know what is an Islamic state. Is it a state that has a muslim majority or a state that actually bases its constitution and laws on Islam. Before we even get into Jihad and all we need to answer that question. Because to the best of my knowledge Iraq's constitution was never based on any Islamic principle on top of that it was considered one of the liberal and open states in the middle east before desert storm. Its all political and contrary to popular belief Islam does not favour or preach a certain form of government. Islam is more concerned with the morals and laws that govern the society.
All these liberation struggles are political at its core. People exploit religion to motivate people its been done for a very long time through-out the history of mankind. Exploitation of Islam is no different.

[Tariq Jamshed]

There are hardly any genuine religious issues out there - I am talking about on international scale - not about persecution of religious minorities in dictatorships.

Indpendence struggles are purely political issues.