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OZGOD
20th July 2009, 22:46
Amazing what a difference a week makes eh. Strewth!!

Gratz to England, bounced back well after Cardiff where they were gone for all money. As for us, didn't bat well, didn't bowl well, we did ok to get to 400+ in the last innings but still well short and clearly second best. Bring on Edgbaston! I'm sure we'll bounce back.

Just a comment on the umpiring. Sure we got juked 3 times and Doctrove is a bit of a blind bat but it has always been my opinion that poor umpiring decisions will happen. Some days you're on the right end of those decisions, others you are on the wrong end. End of day you should be good enough to overcome umpiring decisions, weather and other factors that are outside your control. Do your best with what you CAN control so hopefully what you can't won't be an issue.

Even though OZ did well considering how bad we played to get to 404, the fact is that if we had scored 50 more in our first innings, and if we had restricted England by 25 runs in their first and another 25 in their second 2nd innings we would have been in with a good shout. As it was we weren't good enough to overcome. You can't use umpiring as an excuse when your tailenders scored more than your top order in one innings, or when your spearhead concedes 6rpo in his first 11 overs and gives the game away.

You can't control umpiring decisions - some days they go your way, others they don't. You would like to think that they will be correct 100% of the time, and referrals will help reduce the level of error, but end of day you need to take that out of the equation as much as possible, and create a scenario where those errors don't affect the outcome of the match.

After riding high after Cardiff, the team has been brought back to earth after this, which isn't a bad thing. They need to have a good hard look at themselves before Edgbaston. Hopefully Dubya gave em a good old spray in the sheds after days 2 and 3.

The good news is that we didn't become a crap team overnight, and this has identified some issues that need to be fixed. I'm less worried about the batting collapse (which is more down to the fact that they failed to cope with the swinging ball under clouds at Lords) than with the bowling which seems to be more of a systemic thing - and it would be a brave man to persevere with this attack with blokes like Clark and Lee in consideration. End of day we can all say that a ) Hilfy is swinging the ball and creating chances; and b ) Siddle is charging in like Merv Hughes and intimidating; and c ) MJ will come good once he gets his technical shlt sorted out etc etc but end of day we need wickets and we need to stop the Poms from scoring at 4+ rpo which is killing us.

The most logical changes might be Clark --> Siddle and Lee --> MJ. Horroritz has actually been ok this last match, I was impressed by his courage in batting and then bowling with a dislocated finger. If we wanted an extra bowler I reckon the least disruptive thing to do would be to promote Hussey to open the innings with Krapich and then Clark, North and Haddin all move up one. Only problem with that is you'd be tempted to play MJ as a cowlashing bowler instead of Siddle, who has bowled better, to shore up that lower order. That might be a blow to Hughes' confidence, but he's looked vulnerable in all but one innings he's batted in so far (though in the 2nd innings at Lords he never really got going before being given out).

So that side might be:

Krapich
Hussey
Ponting
Clark
North
Haddin
MJ
Lee
Clark
Hilf
Hauritz

All of a sudden the bowling looks more solid as well as the top order. The middle order is where we lose some confidence, because while MJ is decent as a cowlasher, he's not a Test No.7. And Siddle has bowled better than MJ so far. If Twatson was fit, AND he could bowl, he might have been the answer to that No.7 spot. But I don't think he can bowl.

Ah, questions, questions. :D

muzher
21st July 2009, 03:18
Why was Clark (Sarfraz) left out in the first place? Isn't he meant to be the new McGrath? I remember a couple of years ago he was the best emerging fast bowler along with Asif.

googly
21st July 2009, 03:42
and if we had restricted England by 25 runs in their first and another 25 in their second 2nd innings we would have been in with a good shout.


I stopped reading at this point and realized this was a joke being masqueraded as a post!! Good Morning!! England DECLARED in their second innings when they were going at 6 RPO with wickets in hand and could well have batted on till you did not have the fictional good shout!!

OZGOD
21st July 2009, 03:50
I stopped reading at this point and realized this was a joke being masqueraded as a post!! Good Morning!! England DECLARED in their second innings when they were going at 6 RPO with wickets in hand and could well have batted on till you did not have the fictional good shout!!

You missed out on what I thought was a half decent post then. :D

the_love_machine
21st July 2009, 04:28
Amazing what a difference a week makes eh. Strewth!!


So that side might be:

Krapich
Hussey
Ponting
Clark
North
Haddin
MJ
Lee
Clark
Hilf
Hauritz

All of a sudden the bowling looks more solid as well as the top order. The middle order is where we lose some confidence, because while MJ is decent as a cowlasher, he's not a Test No.7. And Siddle has bowled better than MJ so far. If Twatson was fit, AND he could bowl, he might have been the answer to that No.7 spot. But I don't think he can bowl.

Ah, questions, questions. :D

Sorry mate but I would have thought Michael Clarke would be an obvious selection for this test.....instead of two Stuart Clarks :D .

Amir
21st July 2009, 05:26
You talk a lot how umpire decisions go both ways and that it doesn't bother you. While England fully deserved to win, the mention of the umpiring in every second paragraph above, and every second post of yours....suggests the contrary.

We got it, Aussies don't mind bad decisions...or do they?

Either way, Australia need to get Stuart Clark in the team. England have struggled when the bowler has been moving it like Hilfhenhaus. Furthermore, Clark averages 20 with the ball and I think his line and length stuff will frustrate England batsmen similar to Glenn McGrath.

I don't know how you feel but can Johnson be treated as a all rounder? Any need for North this series, he seems to be struggling.

OZGOD
21st July 2009, 06:12
Geez you can't win can you. If you don't mention the umpiring people will say that you're too snobbish to mention the umpiring; if you do mention the umpiring in the context that it was not a cause of defeat, people say you are using the umpiring as an excuse.

How much plainer can I say this: THE UMPIRING WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF DEFEAT. Do I need a bigger font or something.

And Amir, Ozzies don't like poor decisions any more than Pakistanis, or Indians, or Poms, or Jarpies or whoever do mate. But when you play as bad as we did they don't really matter do they.

DHONI183
21st July 2009, 09:53
I admire this OZGOD guy:14:! Particularly the "get on with it" attitude:D!

Random Aussie
21st July 2009, 10:25
You talk a lot how umpire decisions go both ways and that it doesn't bother you. While England fully deserved to win, the mention of the umpiring in every second paragraph above, and every second post of yours....suggests the contrary.

We got it, Aussies don't mind bad decisions...or do they?

Either way, Australia need to get Stuart Clark in the team. England have struggled when the bowler has been moving it like Hilfhenhaus. Furthermore, Clark averages 20 with the ball and I think his line and length stuff will frustrate England batsmen similar to Glenn McGrath.

I don't know how you feel but can Johnson be treated as a all rounder? Any need for North this series, he seems to be struggling.

The guy who made an unbeaten hundred in the previous Test. With 2 hundreds from 4 Tests?

A fully fit and firing Stuart Clark yes but his bowling has deteriorated over the past year, has been a while since he was the bowler everyone thinks he is. Which is why he is not in the side.

Wasim_Waqar
21st July 2009, 10:30
I would seriously think as you said- drop Hughes and play an extra bowler. I think it has to be Clark to come in.

Amjid Javed
21st July 2009, 10:37
Edgbaston is likely to be a batting friendly surface so the Aussies need to gain more fire power in the bowling so Lee and Clark may come in. Am sure Hughes will be persisted with for the next test match.

12thMan
21st July 2009, 14:55
Krapich
Hussey
Ponting
Clark
North
Haddin
MJ
Lee
Clark
Hilf
Hauritznot a balanced side. Haddin coming at #6 is too early. Two early wickets and team is in trouble unless you get couple of centuries from #3-5. You probably have to drop a bowler here and even go with Watson if he can bowl 5-6 overs otherwise why is Watson in squad. Might as well call Brad Hodge as he is probably playing county