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Serendipity
6th August 2009, 15:06
A polite request:
If possible, kindly dedicate your profile picture to Pakistan in celebration of our Freedom by changing it to Pakistani Flag from 10- 14 August to show the world that we are not Sindhi , Punjabi , Pathan , Baloch , Urdu speaking or any other ethnic group.
We are Pakistani : in Blood, in Flesh, in Culture, in Geography .
One love One Passion Long Live Pakistan
May Allah protect Pakistan and its people.
Serendipity
6th August 2009, 15:20
If some one can tell me how to have Pak flag here as my avatar or whataver, would be most grateful. most things I have tried from net are restricted and too big.
Would it be possibel for someone to do a new additional avatar for 14 August, something with zet energy and pakistan-ism in it.
jazakullah.
Mohsin
6th August 2009, 15:22
Make sure the picture is 80x100 and JPEG...
Serendipity
6th August 2009, 15:24
any link or can you pm with a nice one pls.
I am sure I can just choose one here - from PP's own flags? how?
Mohsin
6th August 2009, 15:29
Just get an image from google and save it.
Then go here are re-size the picture. Then save the re-sized picture:
http://www.drpic.com/
Go to UserCP and on the left of the page will be 'Edit Avatar'. Click on that and you can upload your avatar.
If you want a Pakistan flag alongside your name, then go to your own profile and at the very bottom you can add the Pakistan flag (PK).
Serendipity
7th August 2009, 15:09
thanks a ton. i got something from another way but helpful and appreciated.
PakPassionate
7th August 2009, 16:39
Pakistan Zindabad
Mohsin
7th August 2009, 16:44
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Golden arm
8th August 2009, 12:26
I think the best gift for all the Pakistanis has been the death of Mehsud on this great day of independence for a great Nation.
Pakistan since its birth has gone through so many terrible times, that hardly any nation has faced.
but its the sheer persistence and Passion of our nation which is sailing us through the toughest of moments.
Also Pakistan qaim rehnei kelei buna hai aur hamesha qaim rehei ga with the blessings of almighty Allah.
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 14:37
I think the best gift for all the Pakistanis has been the death of Mehsud on this great day of independence for a great Nation.
Pakistan since its birth has gone through so many terrible times, that hardly any nation has faced.
but its the sheer persistence and Passion of our nation which is sailing us through the toughest of moments.
Also Pakistan qaim rehnei kelei buna hai aur hamesha qaim rehei ga with the blessings of almighty Allah.
the best gift is a death of a muslim, i know people like him have done a lot of wrong things but allah is the one to judge them, remember every muslim will one day enter jannah not matter how bad he was, i think you should refrain from such comments, jazakallah.
HillRock
8th August 2009, 16:39
the best gift is a death of a muslim, i know people like him have done a lot of wrong things but allah is the one to judge them, remember every muslim will one day enter jannah not matter how bad he was, i think you should refrain from such comments, jazakallah.
I think you should refrain from being a Taliban/Khargi sympathizer. I would say about his death, good riddance, rot in hell.
Edit: He was not a Muslim. Too bad his lower half was blown up, otherwise you could have verified it.
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 16:48
how do you know he was not a muslim, did he openly declare it?
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 16:49
I think you should refrain from being a Taliban/Khargi sympathizer. I would say about his death, good riddance, rot in hell.
Edit: He was not a Muslim. Too bad his lower half was blown up, otherwise you could have verified it.
you can say rot in hell but the judgement comes from allah not you.
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 16:50
i would say the same about any muslim no matter how bad they were, its got nothing to do with taliban.
HillRock
8th August 2009, 16:53
More good news on independence day.
Hakimullah Mehsud killed in armed clash: sources
SOUTH WAZIRISTAN: Spokesman of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan Hakimullah Mehsud and another Taliban leader Wali-ur-Rehman have been killed in an armed clash erupted during the Tehreek’s Shura meeting, Geo TV reported Saturday.
At the meeting Hakimullah Mehsud was appointed as TTP Chief after the reported killing of Baitullah Mehsud, the state media reported.
The agenda of the meeting was to appoint successor of Baitullah Mehsud, sources said.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=84579
pakistani_banda
8th August 2009, 17:08
how do you know he was not a muslim, did he openly declare it?
are you serious? the taliban are definitely muslims. do you think a muslim would kill innocent people? do u think a muslim would blow up schools and deny his women from basic human rights such as education.
every death of a taliban is good riddance. just by reciting the kalma, a person does not become a muslim. he has to lead his life and behave the way muslims should.
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 17:12
are you serious? the taliban are definitely muslims. do you think a muslim would kill innocent people? do u think a muslim would blow up schools and deny his women from basic human rights such as education.
every death of a taliban is good riddance. just by reciting the kalma, a person does not become a muslim. he has to lead his life and behave the way muslims should.
killing innocent muslims doesn't make one a kafir, blowing up schools doesn't make one a kafir or denying women rights, you can obviously say killing innocent people as a major sin but all those points you mentioned does not make one kafir, hycoprite or something along the lines of that maybe but it is not us to judge. The same can be said about the lal masid bombing, a mosque was bombed but that doesn't make one a kafir.
lakha84
8th August 2009, 17:30
are you serious? the taliban are definitely muslims. do you think a muslim would kill innocent people? do u think a muslim would blow up schools and deny his women from basic human rights such as education.
every death of a taliban is good riddance. just by reciting the kalma, a person does not become a muslim. he has to lead his life and behave the way muslims should.
so are you leading your life as a muslim according to the QURAN and SUNNAH
pakistani_banda
8th August 2009, 21:23
so are you leading your life as a muslim according to the QURAN and SUNNAH
i am not saying that i am perfect, and i dont claim to be the perfect muslim and then do things which are totally against islam.
hasanb
8th August 2009, 21:34
More good news on independence day.
Hakimullah Mehsud killed in armed clash: sources
SOUTH WAZIRISTAN: Spokesman of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan Hakimullah Mehsud and another Taliban leader Wali-ur-Rehman have been killed in an armed clash erupted during the Tehreek’s Shura meeting, Geo TV reported Saturday.
At the meeting Hakimullah Mehsud was appointed as TTP Chief after the reported killing of Baitullah Mehsud, the state media reported.
The agenda of the meeting was to appoint successor of Baitullah Mehsud, sources said.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=84579
Are you serious? This is great news!! Come on who wants to be the next leader...who wants to go next come on!
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 22:32
Are you serious? This is great news!! Come on who wants to be the next leader...who wants to go next come on!
yh mashallah, enjoy the death of a muslim brother, remember one drop of blood for a muslim is worse for allah then the kabaa getting destroyed (sorry can't find the hadeeth, ill try looking for it).
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 22:35
are you serious? the taliban are definitely muslims. do you think a muslim would kill innocent people? do u think a muslim would blow up schools and deny his women from basic human rights such as education.
every death of a taliban is good riddance. just by reciting the kalma, a person does not become a muslim. he has to lead his life and behave the way muslims should.
not praying salah is a much bigger sin, there was even a difference of opinion if not praying salah would make a muslim kaafir or not, this was between the first three generations including the companians. I don't see people saying that guy is a kafir because he abandoned salah.
pakistani_banda
8th August 2009, 22:55
not praying salah is a much bigger sin, there was even a difference of opinion if not praying salah would make a muslim kaafir or not, this was between the first three generations including the companians. I don't see people saying that guy is a kafir because he abandoned salah.
you say not praying is being a kaffir, but isnt taking someone else's life also being a kaffir. not offering salah is against haququl Allah, but if some one takes away haququl abad of a person then only that person can forgive him, Allah will not forgive him.
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 23:00
you say not praying is being a kaffir, but isnt taking someone else's life also being a kaffir. not offering salah is against haququl Allah, but if some takes away haququl abad of a person then only that person can forgive him, Allah will not forgive him.
i said there is was a difference of opinion but the stronger opinion was that he would still be a muslim, i just gave the example to show how bad it is if someone doesn't pray. How is does murder make you a kafir, only shirk does, astagfirullah not Allah, the prophet or any of his companions have ever said murdering someone makes you a kafir.
pakistani_banda
8th August 2009, 23:35
we are going off topic of this this thread and have hijacked it.
isn't not obeying Allah being a kaffir? not praying is not listening to Allah, and taking someone else's life unlawfully ( murder) is also not listening to Allah. Allah has told us that one who takes one's life kills the the whole humanity.
disobeying Allah's and the Holy Prophet's commands makes us kaffirs in one way or the other. there is not just one way to be a kaffir.
shirk has many forms. one may spend all his time to his career and work and may neglect everything else is also a form of shirk. he may not pray , and he may be neglecting his family and friends. to me this is shirk as well, because you are disobeying Allah and taking someone's else's right away. remember Allah and other people have a right over you.
nabeel_1990
8th August 2009, 23:50
brv what are you on about, you are merely stating your own opinion, only issues with tawheed and aqeedah can lead someone to shirk. I think it would be best for you not to speak because you seriously do not know what you are talking about, thats like saying drinking alcohol makes you a kafir?, have you ever heard anyone say that. I advise you to read quran, hadeeth and ask a scholar because what you are saying is not even debatable. I don't think you know more then the prophet regarding this matter.
pakistani_banda
9th August 2009, 00:01
brv what are you on about, you are merely stating your own opinion, only issues with tawheed and aqeedah can lead someone to shirk. I think it would be best for you not to speak because you seriously do not know what you are talking about, thats like saying drinking alcohol makes you a kafir?, have you ever heard anyone say that. I advise you to read quran, hadeeth and ask a scholar because what you are saying is not even debatable. I don't think you know more then the prophet regarding this matter.
man you are really confused.
you mean to say that if i do anything bad, like killing someone i wont be judged as badly as if i stop praying. Islam is not only about rituals (praying namaz (i know it is farz, but we have made it a ritual), keeping a beard) . it is also about living one's life according to Islamic teachings. do u even know that when the satan disobeyed Allah he had become a kaffir. prior to his disobedience he was the best servents of Allah, but it was arrogance and his disobedience that made him into a kaffir.
i see you only have a narrow minded view. you only believe in rituals.
do u even know why we are being trodden over by all?
it is because we have forgotten the true teachings of Islam. we have lost our iman and have gotten into the rituals such as, u must have a beard, or your shalwar must be above your ankles, or you must only wear only wear a shalwar kameez or an arab dress.
come one people get out of this mentality. Islam is not about how you dress. it is about how you are with people and how you are with Allah. be on the moderate path and do not go to the extremes.
hasanb
9th August 2009, 00:01
yh mashallah, enjoy the death of a muslim brother, remember one drop of blood for a muslim is worse for allah then the kabaa getting destroyed (sorry can't find the hadeeth, ill try looking for it).
dont tell me who is my muslim brother and who isnt, i take my own decisions thank you very much, please refrain from lecturing me in future, thanks
pakistani_banda
9th August 2009, 00:02
do you know that if you drink alcohol you are not allowed to pray for a period of time (i think 40 days).
anyways, back to the thread.
Pakistan Zindabad!!!!
i have had the pakistani flag as my avatar for a long time. lols :D.
it us who has to do something for our country. we have to fix it and get it back on track. we will inshAllah make Pakistan proud of us.
nabeel_1990
9th August 2009, 00:07
man you are really confused.
you mean to say that if i do anything bad, like killing someone i wont be judged as badly as if i stop praying. Islam is not only about rituals (praying namaz (i know it is farz, but we have made it a ritual), keeping a beard) . it is also about living one's life according to Islamic teachings. do u even know that when the satan disobeyed Allah he had become a kaffir. prior to his disobedience he was the best servents of Allah, but it was arrogance and his disobedience that made him into a kaffir.
i see you only have a narrow minded view. you only believe in rituals.
do u even know why we are being trodden over by all?
it is because we have forgotten the true teachings of Islam. we have lost our iman and have gotten into the rituals such as, u must have a beard, or your shalwar must be above your ankles, or you must only wear only wear a shalwar kameez or an arab dress.
come one people get out of this mentality. Islam is not about how you dress. it is about how you are with people and how you are with Allah. be on the moderate path and do not go to the extremes.
1 question, have you ever heard from anyone who said killing someone makes you a kafir like a scholar cause you are the confused one.
nabeel_1990
9th August 2009, 00:08
dont tell me who is my muslim brother and who isnt, i take my own decisions thank you very much, please refrain from lecturing me in future, thanks
its not my fault you have a weird mentality
pakistani_banda
9th August 2009, 00:44
1 question, have you ever heard from anyone who said killing someone makes you a kafir like a scholar cause you are the confused one.
ill have to confirm that, but tell me one thing. isn't not praying disobeying Allah. isnt murdering someone disobeying Allah as well.
i am sure of the following. if someone desecrates The Quran then he definitely becomes a kaffir and has to recite his shahada again. a mufti on alim online said this once.
all i am saying is that there are many ways to become a kaffir and not just one.
hasanb
9th August 2009, 01:09
its not my fault you have a weird mentality
and its not my fault you havent learnt to mind your own business as yet, youll have to pick up on that very quickly...for your own sake and health i hope you do.
Serendipity
9th August 2009, 09:14
Guys, this is suupposed to be cheerful happy thread, thanking Allah almighty for his blessings and wishing Pak well, please refrain from making into personal slanging match, if you cant help it, create another thread. Thank you.
question: was Pak created on 27 Ramadan ul mubarak?
pakistani_banda
9th August 2009, 09:43
Guys, this is suupposed to be cheerful happy thread, thanking Allah almighty for his blessings and wishing Pak well, please refrain from making into personal slanging match, if you cant help it, create another thread. Thank you.
question: was Pak created on 27 Ramadan ul mubarak?
ive heard that it was laila tul qadar. there are ways to calculate the islamic date from the gregorian calender.
nabeel_1990
9th August 2009, 09:51
ill have to confirm that, but tell me one thing. isn't not praying disobeying Allah. isnt murdering someone disobeying Allah as well.
i am sure of the following. if someone desecrates The Quran then he definitely becomes a kaffir and has to recite his shahada again. a mufti on alim online said this once.
all i am saying is that there are many ways to become a kaffir and not just one.
when you bring your proof to me, then we will talk about this, we should leave it for now because we have gone off topic though you will never be able to find proof for it
Mohsin
10th August 2009, 16:32
Guys, this is suupposed to be cheerful happy thread, thanking Allah almighty for his blessings and wishing Pak well, please refrain from making into personal slanging match, if you cant help it, create another thread. Thank you.
question: was Pak created on 27 Ramadan ul mubarak?
Dont take to much notice into that what difference does it make?
Was East Pakistan not also created on the same day?
May Allah guide Pakistan to peace and prosperity Insh'Allah and not give any of our enemies the chance to even look at us in a evil way. Ameen!
Btw this is about 14th August 1947 and the birth of Pakistan NOT the bloody $%$%$%$%%$£%$£ known as the Taliban!
Muzy
11th August 2009, 16:32
anyone gona go out and celebrate?? i really want to... celebrating the T20 final was amazing it would bring back great memories bt it will be exactly 2 months on my bday when we won the final, a date il never forget but independence day is always important for every pakistani no matter where you are in the world, it is a day to celebrate and to aknowledge peace and prosper into a better nation as a whole and not just states/provinces etc
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD HAMESHA RAHEH HUMARA PAKISTAN
Serendipity
11th August 2009, 16:36
Dont take to much notice into that what difference does it make?
Was East Pakistan not also created on the same day?
May Allah guide Pakistan to peace and prosperity Insh'Allah and not give any of our enemies the chance to even look at us in a evil way. Ameen!
Btw this is about 14th August 1947 and the birth of Pakistan NOT the bloody $%$%$%$%%$£%$£ known as the Taliban!
what are you on about? I have heard but was not sure if it is true and did it make any differnce to people of tehreek at that time etc? that's all.
I blv in 'lessal insaana illa ma sa'aa'
Serendipity
11th August 2009, 16:38
anyone gona go out and celebrate?? i really want to... celebrating the T20 final was amazing it would bring back great memories bt it will be exactly 2 months on my bday when we won the final, a date il never forget but independence day is always important for every pakistani no matter where you are in the world, it is a day to celebrate and to aknowledge peace and prosper into a better nation as a whole and not just states/provinces etc
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD HAMESHA RAHEH HUMARA PAKISTAN
well said Muzy, pls make sure when you celebrate that you also do a small tiny bit of your own to make a difference in any shape or form - whataver you feel appropriate.
hasanb
11th August 2009, 19:25
what are you on about? I have heard but was not sure if it is true and did it make any differnce to people of tehreek at that time etc? that's all.
I blv in 'lessal insaana illa ma sa'aa'
What he meant was, that even if we were created on that date...what difference does it make, for example East Pakistan would then have been created on that date too, however it is now seperated from us, so not exactly very blessed then.
Anyway I would like to point out in this thread, how there are many people mainly outside of Pakistan, but some inside the country too, who dont feel like celebrating on 14th august, citing our various failures as a society and our inability to develop our economy etc. Whilst these things may hold some truth...lets not forget that since our very inception we were told that as a country we will not even survive a few months.
India even moved on Kashmir within months of independance to test our unity and resolve as a country, they got a fitting reply. At every corner we have faced challenges so large that no other country in the world has had to face these sorts of things so consistently. The most recent being the taliban issue and even just a few weeks ago an article labelled us among the most vulnerable nations in the world.
What these people dont know is that no matter what our leadership is, the PEOPLE of this country always band together when it matters the most. After being told we wouldnt survive for even a few months as we didnt have the talent, brainpower or resolve to become a nation...in a few days it will be 62 years. This in itself is something to celebrate and to be proud of!!
Never ever underestimate what this country can achieve and inshallah we will improve ourselves to no end in the years to come.
PakPassionate
11th August 2009, 19:42
Dharkan hai Punjaab agar, Dil apna Mehraan hai......Sooraj hai Sarhad ki zameeN, Chaand Balochistan hai....Main bhi Pakistan hoon tu bhi Pakistan hai.
Serendipity
13th August 2009, 15:25
I know what yuo mean, excellent post in between, keep up tehmomentum until at least in August or until Ramadan!
What he meant was, that even if we were created on that date...what difference does it make, for example East Pakistan would then have been created on that date too, however it is now seperated from us, so not exactly very blessed then.
Anyway I would like to point out in this thread, how there are many people mainly outside of Pakistan, but some inside the country too, who dont feel like celebrating on 14th august, citing our various failures as a society and our inability to develop our economy etc. Whilst these things may hold some truth...lets not forget that since our very inception we were told that as a country we will not even survive a few months.
India even moved on Kashmir within months of independance to test our unity and resolve as a country, they got a fitting reply. At every corner we have faced challenges so large that no other country in the world has had to face these sorts of things so consistently. The most recent being the taliban issue and even just a few weeks ago an article labelled us among the most vulnerable nations in the world.
What these people dont know is that no matter what our leadership is, the PEOPLE of this country always band together when it matters the most. After being told we wouldnt survive for even a few months as we didnt have the talent, brainpower or resolve to become a nation...in a few days it will be 62 years. This in itself is something to celebrate and to be proud of!!
Never ever underestimate what this country can achieve and inshallah we will improve ourselves to no end in the years to come.
Serendipity
13th August 2009, 15:27
Dharkan hai Punjaab agar, Dil apna Mehraan hai......Sooraj hai Sarhad ki zameeN, Chaand Balochistan hai....Main bhi Pakistan hoon tu bhi Pakistan hai.
Wah ji wah, kia yaad dilaya hay janab, lovely, melodious, appropriate and pertinent, excellent choice!
Serendipity
13th August 2009, 15:27
Chaand meri zameeen phool mera watan........................................meray kheton ki matti mein laal-e-yaman
Serendipity
13th August 2009, 15:30
Let us promise today that we are not Punjabi, Sindhi, Balochi, Pathan or Muhajir... not Shia, Sunni, Brelvi, Wahabi.... We are just Pakistani, ONE nation that is united and going to make Pakistan a great nation mashallah.
ehjaz
13th August 2009, 15:31
Long Live Pakistan...........INSHA ALLAH
pakistani_banda
13th August 2009, 15:54
Pakistan Zindabad!!!!!
Long Live Pakistan!!!!
InshAllah we will defeat all our enemies, and will stand tall !!!
Uncle Sam
13th August 2009, 16:19
What is there to celebrate?
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By Roedad Khan - a former federal secretary
Wednesday, August 12, 2009
I was born in slavery. On August 14, thanks to the iron will and determination of Mr Jinnah, I was a proud citizen of a sovereign, independent country. It was a wondrous moment. Cheers rang out and many wept. We had entered a new era, blissfully unaware how the pendulum of history will swing. Mr Jinnah could not have foreseen what would happen when he passed his torch to his successors.
Many nations in the past have attempted to develop democratic institutions, only to lose them when they took their liberties and political institutions for granted, and failed to comprehend the threat posed by a powerful military establishment. Pakistan is a classic example. Today it is neither sovereign, nor independent, nor even democratic. Today it is not just a "rentier state," ill-led, ill-governed by a power-hungry junta and a puppet government set up by Washington. Sixty-two years after independence, are we really free?
The kind of Pakistan we have today is a ghost of its former self. The contrast between Pakistan in 1947 – idealistic, democratic, progressive, optimistic – and Pakistan today could not be sharper or more disheartening.
What is there to celebrate? There is absolutely no reason to celebrate! But there are myriad reasons to reflect. We lost half the country in a suicidal civil war in 1971. Like the Bourbons of France we have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. Sixty-two years after independence, we have a disjointed, dysfunctional, lopsided, hybrid, artificial, political system – a non-sovereign rubberstamp parliament, a weak and ineffective prime minister, appointed by a powerful accidental president.
As we look back at all the squandered decades, it is sad to think that for Pakistan it has been a period of unrelieved decline and the dream has turned sour. Once we were the envy of the developing world. That is now the stuff of nostalgia. The corrupt, especially those occupying the commanding heights of power, are doing breathtakingly well, while the large mass of people is struggling hard just to keep its head above water.
What has become of the nation? Its core institutions? The militarised state has destroyed the foundations of all our political institutions. The army has been enthroned as the new elite. The level of fawning and jockeying to be merely noticed and smiled upon by any pretender in uniform speaks of a nation that is pleading to be crushed underfoot. Today we feel ourselves unable to look our children in the eye, for the shame of what we did, and didn't do, during the last 62 years. For the shame of what we allowed to happen. This is an eerie period. The heart of the nation appears to stop beating, while its body remains suspended in a void. Today the Supreme Court, the Guardian of the Constitution, is the only ray of hope in the darkness that surrounds us. After years of subservience, it is on its feet and holding its head high. Sadly, in spite of a strong and independent judiciary, the present corrupt order may survive because both the Presidency and the parliament are dysfunctional and out of sync with the spirit of the times.
The sovereignty of the people is a myth. To apply the adjective sovereign to the people in Pakistan is a tragic farce. Whatever the constitutional position, in the final analysis, de facto sovereignty in Pakistan resides neither in the electorate, nor the Parliament, nor the judiciary, nor even the Constitution which has superiority over all the institutions it creates. It resides where the coercive power resides. Even when an elected government is in power, as is the case today, it is the army which is the ultimate authority in decision-making. It decides when to abrogate the Constitution, when the Constitution should be held in abeyance, when an elected government should be sacked and when democracy should be given a chance.
The independence of Pakistan is a myth. By succumbing to American pressure, we managed to secure a temporary reprieve. But at what price? Today Pakistan is splattered with American fortresses, seriously compromising our internal and external sovereignty. American security personnel stationed on our soil move in and out of the country without any let or hindrance. Pakistan has become a launching pad for military operations against neighbouring Muslim countries. We have been drawn into somebody else's war without understanding its true dimension or ultimate objectives. Nuclear Pakistan has been turned into an "American lackey," currently engaged in a proxy war against its own people.
Parliament is one of the chief instruments of our democracy. Today it is cowed, timid, a virtual paralytic, overpaid and under-employed. Parliamentary membership is the key to material success, a passport and a license to loot and plunder. No wonder, it is not a check on the arbitrariness of the executive and nobody takes it seriously. Today it is the weakest of the three pillars of state. It has suffered a steady diminution of power and prestige. Its image is tarnished and has been turned into a fig-leaf for unconstitutional and illegal practices.
To no nation has fate been more malignant than to Pakistan. With few exceptions, Pakistan has long been saddled with poor, even malevolent, leadership: predatory kleptocrats, military dictators, political illiterates and carpetbaggers. With all her shortcomings, Benazir Bhutto had undoubted leadership qualities – charisma, courage, political acumen and articulation. After her tragic assassination, Mr Zardari's sudden ascension to the presidency caused panic among the people. God help us all! "In a President character is everything," Peggy Noonan wrote in her assessment of Ronald Reagan. "A President does not have to be brilliant. Harry Truman was not brilliant and he helped save Western Europe from Stalin. He does not have to be clever, you can hire clever… but you cannot rent a strong moral sense. You can't acquire it in the presidency. You carry it with you." If a president has credibility, if he is believable, if he has integrity, nothing else matters. If he has no integrity, if he has no credibility, if there is a gap between what he says and what he does, nothing else matters, and he cannot govern.
Today we need a leader who has the vision, the skill and the courage to pull Pakistan together as one nation and inspire the people. We need a president whose hands are clean and who has the capability to steer the ship of state through the rockiest shoals our country has ever known. Our nation has the heart of a lion. But who is there to give it the roar? Pakistan is not a case of failed state. It is a case of failed leadership
Today failure is the most often heard expression in Pakistan. Some say we are at the last quarter of an hour. "These are times that try men's souls. The best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity. The summer soldier and sunshine patriot will in this crisis shrink from the service of his country, but he who serves it now deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." It is not enough to sit back and let history slowly evolve. To settle back into your cold-hearted acceptance of the status quo is not an option. The present leadership is taking Pakistan to a perilous place. The course they are on leads downhill. This is a delicate time, full of hope and trepidation in equal measure. Today it is a political and moral imperative for all patriotic Pakistanis to fight for our core values, to resist foreign intervention in our internal affairs and to destroy the roots of evil that afflicts Pakistan. That is the best way to celebrate Aug 14.
Pak_cricketer
13th August 2009, 17:38
Haha, this thread is sooo Pakistani.
Everything may suck in our country, but in the end we still love it, cause it is ours.
insaftak
13th August 2009, 18:03
Zindabad.
PakPassionate
13th August 2009, 19:36
IMRAN KHAN >> "Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope others will share with us". HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY! یومِ آزادی مبارک ہو. :]
azfar wali
13th August 2009, 19:54
Pakistan Zindabad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqGr2kFr5oc
HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR
13th August 2009, 20:10
pakistan zindabad :inzi
Mohsin
13th August 2009, 20:48
Maun ki dua puri hui, ghar mil gaya. Allah ka ehsaan hai, HAMARA Pakistan hai, hum aan, hum shaan, hum is ki jaan hai...hum Pakistan hai.
Pakistan Zindabad!
Pakistan Paendabad!
Some people (including some 'Pakistani's) put Pakistan down as if we haven’t achieved anything.....but are you really sure about that?!
62 years and look at where are...yes we have problems no doubt but look at what we have achieved.
What other countries achieved so much and became so very very important after just 62 years of independence huh?
We were partitioned............everything was against us....most of the schools were on the other side of the border...most of the hospitals were on the other side of the border...most of the factories were on the other side of the border...yet we worked, why?
Because of our love for our Pakistan, because of the vast importance of ALL the people who sacrificed their lives so that that Pakistan could be born!
Don’t ask what your country can do for you........ask what YOU can do for Pakistan!
BFasAt9AScU
insaftak
13th August 2009, 20:54
zindabad
UP
13th August 2009, 21:00
Jashn-e-Azadi Mubarak to everyone!
Be safe and enjoy your celebrations :)
Long live Pakistan!
AZ
13th August 2009, 21:01
WOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jashn-e-Azadi Mubarak to all!!!!!
Muzy
13th August 2009, 21:14
Jashne Azadi Mubarak To Every Pakistani Around The World May We All Come Together And Support Our Nation In Hard Times And Continue To Make Pakistan A Better Nation
Pakistan Zindabad!!!!
GLORY OF '92
13th August 2009, 21:17
Mubarkan!
Pakistan Zindabad!
Zechariah
13th August 2009, 21:26
Pakistan Zindabad!
cricketpassion
13th August 2009, 22:05
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
Wassixpakistani
13th August 2009, 22:07
Jashn-e-Azadi Mubarak
Pakistan Zindabad............Jiye Quaid :).
atiff_uk
13th August 2009, 22:25
PAkistan Zindabad... time for all of us to revisit the re-think the meaning of pakistan and why it was formed..
Pakistan was formed under the banner of Laa ilaa ha Il Allah.. reflect on this people
161
13th August 2009, 22:37
When and where are the Pak day festivals in VA ?
GLORY OF '92
13th August 2009, 23:07
We are now 62!!
P4K1 #1
13th August 2009, 23:28
Pakistan Zindabad! Dil Dil Pakistan
siccric
14th August 2009, 00:25
Pakistan Zindabad
Jashn-e-Azaadi to all those in Pakistan
May Allah guide the country past difficult times and into days of prosperity. Those of you who bash the country, the way it works etc. all the time, let today be a day of peace where you only look at the good stuff in the country
Pakistan is great- can't imagine my life without this amazing country
IAJ
14th August 2009, 07:31
Jashn-e-azaadi Mubarak :)
One Nation | One Vision | One Identity
Meri pehchan Pakistan!
DHONI183
14th August 2009, 10:47
Happy Indepedence Day to all of you:)!
lPI3O92z5zA
Original link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPI3O92z5zA
I love this song from Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan:19:.
Raz
14th August 2009, 10:51
Jashn-E-Azadi Mubarak to everyone
پاکستان زنداباد
pakistani pride
14th August 2009, 10:58
A very happy and nice independence day !
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD ! :)
dani2k
14th August 2009, 14:05
A very happy Independence day to all friends from across the border. May the good Lord bless the forthcoming year with peace and prosperity to you , your family, friends and the entire Country...
insaftak
14th August 2009, 14:10
just saw waga border cermony on geo, electrifying stuff. Pakistan Zindabad
Khabri420
14th August 2009, 16:02
Khabri420 ki taraf se tamaam PakPassioners ko Jashn-e-Azadi Mubarak! :109: :120: :36: :27: :aamir
pakistanbest
14th August 2009, 16:12
Mubarak to all, Pakistan Zindabaad!
darkmoon459
14th August 2009, 16:21
پاکستان زنداباد
Omar Malik
14th August 2009, 16:24
Tamaam Ehl-e-Watan Ko Meri Taraf Se Jashan-E-Azaadi Mubarak! PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!
12thMan
14th August 2009, 16:27
Everyone please stand up. The Pakistani anthem is about to be played as the 10 pm show at Nishat cinema is starting
mmkextreme_1
15th August 2009, 03:30
PAKISTAN Zindabad!!
DHONI183
15th August 2009, 10:34
A very happy Independence day to all friends from across the border. May the good Lord bless the forthcoming year with peace and prosperity to you , your family, friends and the entire Country...
Happy Indepedence to all the Indians as well:19:!
moumotta
15th August 2009, 12:50
Happy Independence Day guys.
Interesting details of a long held tradition at Wagah border.
ATTARI (Amritsar): Continuing with the tradition, Pakistan's border guarding force today presented sweets to their Indian counterpart at the Wagah border here.
Border Security Force (BSF) Deputy Inspector General Mohammad Aquil received the gift from Pakistan Ranger Major General Mohhammad Yakoob Khan at Attari joint check post.
The traditional Pakistani sweets from Lahore and Karachi were presented in a tastefully decorated basket, officials said.
Yesterday on Pakistan's Independence Day, the BSF had gifted baskets of sweets to them.
The exchange of gifts between the forces of the two neighboring nations is a long-standing tradition to mark their respective anniversaries of Independence Day.
The check post here was nicely decorated on the occasion of the country's 63rd Independence Day.
"This morning there was great enthusiasm between the border forces of the two nations. BSF officials and Pakistan Rangers were today seen in a relaxed mood. Both shook hands and exchanged pleasantries with smiling faces to mark the occasion," a BSF official said.
12thMan
15th August 2009, 23:46
not sure which thread to put this in so putting it here as it was broadcasted on August 14 show
Kal Tak
host - Javed Choudhry
Guests - Gen Musharaff (on phone at start only I think), Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Imran Khan
http://pakistanherald.com/Program/Kal-Tak-August-14-2009-Javed-Choudhry-1561
This animation that comes at bottom with some creature coming and bowing for some reason is very irritating and strange. Seriously it looks like something Indian
boring show. saw 20 minutes of it and nothing exciting
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