What Bob would have done?

[Jive Jive Pakistan]

I was just thinking today.

When Bob was in charge we had 2 players who had raw talent in the balling department. (mohammed asif/umar gul). He moulded them into world class performers!!!

Now we have Mohammed aamir , Mohammed irfan and Mohammed talha to name a few. How would bob have nurtured them?

Also, we have Umar Akmal and Fawad Alam, how would have Bob improved them to take them to the next stage.

I think he would have disected them using all the analysis he believed in, such as his trusty laptop.

DO you you think Bob would made them a bigger success.

I think he would have, coz you look at the Team under Bob, it was innovative and was tenancoius (ignore wc 2007)

[dblock]

The best thing about Bob is that he trusted in the players, grew strong bonds with them and didn't bring any political or other motives/scheming in.

As for development of players, I personally believe that is down to the individual and how much they actually want it.

[Boi]

Pakistan cricket will miss Bob Woolmer for a very very long time.......

[Khalil]

With Bob Woolmer we could not even beat Ireland

[Inswinger]

Bob was a great manager of personalities. He's one of those people who can relate to anyone of the players. Sort of like a Joe Torre of cricket.

[itduzz]

Bob could not handle Akhtar,failed to develop Sami,failed to grow some brain cells which Afridi is showing now, could'nt improve Salman butt and found no opener. Woolmer was an overrated coach. The big series win under Woolmer like Eng,Ind & SL were due to individual perofrmances by Inzi,Akhtar & Asif.

[Afridi_Fan]

With Bob Woolmer we could not even beat Ireland


So one loss, one bad loss ruins all the good work Bob did for Pakistan cricket?

[Afridi_Fan]

The truth is Pakistan cricket would have flourished under Bob, and I just wish he was still around.

[wiseguy]

i miss bob woolmer :( he was a great coach a great man

[Khalil]

i miss bob woolmer :( he was a great coach a great man

Woolmer was an evil man and a rubbish coach.

Bob Woolmer settled in South Africa during the height of apartheid when the apartheid government was involved in an organised orgy of genocide and oppression against the majority of South Africa's black people.

The apartheid government enticed Europeans to settled in South Africa by offering them huge salaries and jobs that they would not get in their own country. Thousands of white racists mainly from the UK flocked to South Africa to enjoy the privaleges of apartheid and Woolmer was one of them.

Woolmer played for a whites only Western Province side. His home ground Newlands was a whites only stadium. He lived in a whites only residential area of Rondebosch. He lunched in a whites only resturant and drank in a whites only pub. He had black maids and garderners who were virtually slaves. Most whites in South Africa during Apartheid had about 4 black domestic workers and 2 black garderners. These black were slaves working only for food. They had no homes!


Woolmer always boasted about the supper he had with apartheids notorious butcher, P.W Botha

Woolmer played for the English rebel tour against a whites only South African side

[dblock]

Bob could not handle Akhtar,failed to develop Sami,failed to grow some brain cells which Afridi is showing now, could'nt improve Salman butt and found no opener. Woolmer was an overrated coach. The big series win under Woolmer like Eng,Ind & SL were due to individual perofrmances by Inzi,Akhtar & Asif.

So the failures are his fault but the success are not?

How does that work?

Afridi had his most successful batting phase under Woolmer. Sami was rubbish before and after Bob, nobody has handled Akhtar really..just listen to the Geoff Lawson interview.

[Afridi_Fan]

Woolmer was an evil man and a rubbish coach.


Keep that trash to yourself, for me Bob was a great coach who helped Pakistan cricket in his time. And I will personally take Bob over inti or javed anyday as a coach.

[wiseguy]

Keep that trash to yourself, for me Bob was a great coach who helped Pakistan cricket in his time. And I will personally take Bob over inti or javed anyday as a coach.


well said bro :14:

[mindless slogging]

So the failures are his fault but the success are not?

How does that work?

Afridi had his most successful batting phase under Woolmer. Sami was rubbish before and after Bob, nobody has handled Akhtar really..just listen to the Geoff Lawson interview.

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Absolutely true.

Somehow when we win, its individual performance but when we lose, it's because of one man. The guy was a good coach for Pakistan at that time.

[Sheikh]

Bob would have been bullied out of the job by the likes of Mohammad Ilyas and his continual threats and thuggish behavior.

[wanted_desi]

He would have been kicked out right after World Cup

[Ryankhan]

all i know is in bob woolmer coaching pak was in top 3 in test n odi. since malik was named the captain pak went down the hill very fast n quickly so now tht YK is the captain he is trying hard to take pak back to the top from down the hill so it will take some time....inshallah we will be a strong and powerfull side in coming years. inshallah with all the best talent we got.

[abc_to_xyz]

You cannot call Asif a normal talent.. he is a special one... probably the best one since two-Ws..

[Afridi_Fan]

You cannot call Asif a normal talent.. he is a special one... probably the best one since two-Ws..

With some liking for a smoke or two :P

Dam laga, dam laga. Laga rey dhaka rey...... ;-)

[Kray_jackson7]

with bob we would have gone far. afridi played alot better under bob and said its because bob and inzi had faith in him and told him he wont be dropped for a bad patch (like afridi could have one)

[Paradox]

Bob would have been bullied out of the job by the likes of Mohammad Ilyas and his continual threats and thuggish behavior.

I don't really think going on hunger strike all the time is 'threats' and 'thuggish behavior'.

[Sheikh]

I don't really think going on hunger strike all the time is 'threats' and 'thuggish behavior'.
Yes but storming Bob's office, threatening him and thereby being banned from Gadaffi stadium qualifies methinks. Below is an example, and look out for a certain bumped thread.



RAWALPINDI: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has initiated an inquiry into an ugly incident that occurred during the Twenty20 charity match held in Lahore last Sunday, involving former Test player Mohammad Ilyas and national team coach Bob Woolmer.

PCB Director Board Operations Abbas Zaidi confirmed that an inquiry was being held into the incident in which Ilyas apparently had misbehaved and made serious accusations against Woolmer.

"At this stage all I can say is that an inquiry is being held as we don’t want anyone to violate the sanctity of the Gaddafi Stadium or bring a bad name to Pakistan cricket," he said.

According to details, Ilyas, a former Test opening batsman, launched a verbal attack on Woolmer during the match and accused him of coming to Pakistan as coach to destroy Pakistan cricket.

According to eye-witness accounts, Woolmer was completely taken aback by the verbal assault by Ilyas and his aggressive behaviour as he refused to calm down and started shouting and making accusations at Woolmer.

"The matter only ended when some Board officials intervened and drew them apart with Woolmer clearly shattered by the experience," the eye-witness said.

Ilyas, incidentally, was also on the Pakistan Television (PTV) commentators panel for the match and his pitch report and commentary left a lot to be desired as it has done for the last one year since he was introduced on the screen by Majid Khan, the incharge of PTV Sports.

Ilyas is also the father-in-law of discarded Pakistan opener Imran Farhat and sources say he believes that Woolmer allegedly is victimising his son-in-law. Imran was on Wednesday named in the Pakistan A side that plays England in the three-dayer in Lahore from November 6.

A Board source said Chairman Shaharyar Khan was very unhappy with Ilyas Ahmed’s behaviour and indications were that he might be banned from entering the Stadium because of previous complaints also received against him.

The interesting thing is that apparently the PCB has from time to time also asked the Pakistan Television Corporation to avoid giving Ilyas commentary assignments because of his poor performance and the fact that they keep on getting numerous telephone calls asking if PTV didn’t have other suitable former players for the job.

"But Majid Khan, also a former Test captain, is adamant he will not change Ilyas for unknown reasons," the source said.

The other in-commentator on PTV these days, Waqar Ahmed, also served as secretary during the time Majid was chief executive of the Board.

Ilyas and Waqar have been heard many times on television during matches short of basic knowledge, having poor expression qualities, making mistakes recognising players and giving their backgrounds and more seriously blatantly promoting a few players and criticising the selectors and team management.

During the Twenty20 charity match, Ilyas kept on addressing Mohammad Yousuf, now a converted Muslim by his former Christian name of Yousuf Youhana.

But despite PTV being a public corporation apparently people’s opinion matters for nothing where Majid Khan is concerned.


http://www.pakstop.com/pmforums/f15/pcb-initiates-urgent-inquiry-into-ilyas-bob-woolmer-brawl-15600/

[abc_to_xyz]

With some liking for a smoke or two :P

Dam laga, dam laga. Laga rey dhaka rey...... ;-)


Yup!

[fahimszd]

its a pity that we cannot have one of our legends (W's or Imran Khan) as our coach who are young and energetic and lots of experience, and instead we have a man who can hardly move. It's a great shame, For how many teams do u see a coach like this?