Benn, Johnson and Haddin punishments [merged]

[z2_daredevil]

Sulieman Benn, Brad Haddin and Mitchell Johnson face suspension by the International Cricket Council (ICC) after having been involved in an on-field altercation on day two of the third Test between Australia and West Indies in Perth on Thursday.

The drama began when West Indies spinner Benn and Johnson collided as the Australian set off towards the keeper's end for a single and Benn tried to field the ball off Haddin.

As Johnson crossed Benn's path, the bowler grabbed his arm and shirt. Haddin was incensed and, as the single was completed, he thrust his bat towards Benn complaining about the contact.

"Don't push your f---ing bat at me, man," Benn then yelled at Haddin, who replied: "Get back and bowl."

Windies captain Chris Gayle calmed Benn down as the umpires intervened. On the final ball of the over, Haddin drove straight back to Benn who shaped up to fire the ball back at him and Haddin jumped out of the way.

Benn then charged down the pitch pointing at Haddin and in that motion his elbow hit the side of Johnson's helmet. Johnson pushed Benn away before umpire Blly Bowden intervened.

The three players have already received a rebuke from the chairman of Cricket Australia, Jack Clarke, who described their conduct during and after the explosive over after lunch as unacceptable, and further punishment awaits from the ICC match referee, Chris Broad.

"No one wants to see that. Terrible," said Clarke, who caught the second stage of the confrontation from the President's Room at the WACA Ground, was quoted as saying in Sydney Morning Herald.

"It (physical contact) is an absolute no-no. We all accept that."

If either Johnson or Benn is convicted of making inappropriate physical contact under the ICC code of conduct, they can be fined 100 per cent of their match fee (in the Australian's case, $13,250) or banned for one Test.

Haddin cannot be found guilty on that charge but he arguably inflamed the situation, and stepped into something that didn't involve him, by pushing his bat angrily in Benn's direction, provoking the spinner.

The incident revived memories of the infamous clash between Dennis Lillee and Javed Miandad at the same ground in 1981, when a collision prompted Lillee to turn and confront Miandad and the Pakistani batsman lifted his bat as if to strike him


here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoAOhzcbjqw



cheap a$$ aussies

haddin and johnson both should be banned :pissed:

[Indiafan]

http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/content/current/story/439990.html

Cricinfo says Benn faces a level 2 offence while both Haddin and Johnson only level 2 offence. So only Benn can be banned. what double standards

[Mohsin]

Well Benn did start it

[Afridi_Fan]

So Johnson and Haddin can be banned from Boxing Day Test? I don't want that. I want to beat a full strength Aussies side.

[z2_daredevil]

Well Benn did start it

dude are u serious ???

benn jus went to get the ball but look at johnson hes literally pushing him away and why the hell is haddin pointing the bat towards benn

he wasant even involved in all this!!!

[mindless slogging]

The Aussies were well ****ting themselves from Big Benn. :))

It was quite amusing to see them backing away. And Haddin was hilarious. After Benn had a go at him, he said nothing. Haddin started it and him and Benn should get punished. Johnson didn't really do much; his involement was more of an accident.

[Amjid Javed]

All 3 should be banned!

[BoomBoomCricket]

Lol

[Indiafan]

So Johnson and Haddin can be banned from Boxing Day Test? I don't want that. I want to beat a full strength Aussies side.

did you read what I posted? They were charged with level 1 offence which only carries max 50% of fine. Only Benn can be banned

[Afridi_Fan]

Well Benn did start it
Did you even saw the incident? It was Haddin who started it.

[itduzz]

Come on RA...defend your super stars.

[Mohsin]

dude are u serious ???

benn jus went to get the ball but look at johnson hes literally pushing him away and why the hell is haddin pointing the bat towards benn

he wasant even involved in all this!!!

It all really started when Benn held on for dear life onto Johnson when he was taking a single. Either barge him or let him through but you cant really hold onto someone man.
And then you have Benn just continuing it with his 'c'mon man, wa you doing naw man'
Just go back and bowl. And then when the batsmen were going off...Benn comes again.

All 3 should be banned imo

[Afridi_Fan]

did you read what I posted? They were charged with level 1 offence which only carries max 50% of fine. Only Benn can be banned
Good then. No excuses for Aussies.

[Amjid Javed]

I think the two Aussies should be grateful Benn didnt start with them in the showers rather then out on the pitch!

[Big Mac]

Benn's entitled to go for the ball when he's fielding it but Johnson did nothing wrong by running to take the quick single before Benn starts climbing all over him. The first little incident with the bat pointing and the words from Benn is handbags over nothing.

Benn's out of order for going over to the batsmen after the over finished and continuing the whinging.

Benn deserves to be punished more than the two Aussies, if he tried that against our batsmen I'd expect them to stick up for themselves and give him some stick back.

[shahzadddd]

This is awesome , everybody loves a bit of spice in a game.

[sultanator]

I think Johnson was running a bit too far from the pitch, he could ran inside rather than towards and round the ball.

Benn should get more punished though, he swore quite loudly a couple of times.
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[Wazeeri]

Why in the name of Good god would you start a fight with Big Ben?

[mindless slogging]

Benn's entitled to go for the ball when he's fielding it but Johnson did nothing wrong by running to take the quick single before Benn starts climbing all over him. The first little incident with the bat pointing and the words from Benn is handbags over nothing.

Benn's out of order for going over to the batsmen after the over finished and continuing the whinging.

Benn deserves to be punished more than the two Aussies, if he tried that against our batsmen I'd expect them to stick up for themselves and give him some stick back.

Are you serious? I'd be happy if they ****ted it and left it at that.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Haddin the idiot started it all - why the heck was he getting involved for? pointing his bat like he was the big man - Benn would destroy him

BUT Benn should have left the matter instead of going up to them at the end of his over

Not sure why Johnson is being mentioned, he did nowt wrong - its Haddin and Benn that should be punished

[abdul2009]

Big benn is the culprit here! this wannabe ghetto rapper has chosen the wrong career!

Get lost benn, we dont need you in cricket! :pissed:

[Rizwan25]

I think the two Aussies should be grateful Benn didnt start with them in the showers rather then out on the pitch!
:)))

[kingusama92]

They should have gone on with the fight.

I think Benn would have knocked of them out in less then 1 minute tops. All of them deserved to be banned for their actions.

[mmkextreme_1]

Big benn is the culprit here! this wannabe ghetto rapper has chosen the wrong career!

Get lost benn, we dont need you in cricket! :pissed:


what the hell dude...seems like you have personnel beef with the man! The guy seems like a nice figure...always smiling..

[Afridi_Fan]

what the hell dude...seems like you have personnel beef with the man! The guy seems like a nice figure...always smiling..
Oh forget about it. He was behaving strange even in the match thread. Leave him alone.

[abdul2009]

what the hell dude...seems like you have personnel beef with the man! The guy seems like a nice figure...always smiling..

come on man! i know the aussies are aggressive and they play tough cricket! but does'nt mean that whenever there is a confrontation only aussies should be blamed...

did you watch the nuisance benn created in the adelaide test match??
no one talked about it and watson didnt even reply back!! shows the character of the current aussie team!! benn doesnt seem like a nice figure as you say, he foul mouths the opposition

[Cover Drive]

I just hope both Johnson and Haddin get banned for a match or two so they will not play against us. (I haven't seen the video yet so can't really say anything but since everything is talking about Benn then perhaps he should get banned as well)

[Yaser]

well done to Suleiman for taking no shiz!

[giri26]

Australians always get away with such things on the field. Talk about bias. Slater pretty much fought with the umpires and Rahul Dravid when his catch in the first test against India was referred but did not receive any punishment but subcontinent players just have to express dissappointment over a decision and they will receive suspension. ICC have to do something regarding the double standards. I pity Benn on this if he indeed gets suspended.

[kingusama92]

Australians always get away with such things on the field. Talk about bias. Slater pretty much fought with the umpires and Rahul Dravid when his catch in the first test against India was referred but did not receive any punishment but subcontinent players just have to express dissappointment over a decision and they will receive suspension. ICC have to do something regarding the double standards. I pity Benn on this if he indeed gets suspended.

The answer is simple.

Fire Chris Broad. He's such a racist pig when it comes to such decisions. He's done it again and again with all players that aren't white.

[zam]

They should have gone on with the fight.

I think Benn would have knocked of them out in less then 1 minute tops. All of them deserved to be banned for their actions.

you must be a street fighter...

[Xohaib]

If the match refree was unbiased.
He will ban haddin for 1 match because he was the one who started it all.
Benn because he went to them, 2 matches
And johnson 2 matches as well because he was physical he pushed benn back.
And I have seen it.

[Oxy]

Benn to be banned.

Aussies to be congratulated - its their home pitch & they should be allowed to get away with physical contact.

Imagine it was a Pak player.....

[161]

ozzies winning the mental mind game again.. just wonder which one of our players they will target .. probably moyo ?

[abdul2009]

ozzies winning the mental mind game again.. just wonder which one of our players they will target .. probably moyo ?


I dont think our players will have trouble with aussies... Aussies will come hard against players who are arrogant eg bhajji...

I think the aus- pak series will be played in right spirit and not like aus- ind!

[Ayyub]

i hope pakistan bowlers do these kind of stuff doest we lose the series but we need fun in the match ...

i m hoping asif or sami might do it .

[161]

I dont think our players will have trouble with aussies... Aussies will come hard against players who are arrogant eg bhajji...

I think the aus- pak series will be played in right spirit and not like aus- ind!


idk .. it's part of their game plan to target the most effective opposition bowler .. i hope our guys are pretty thick skinned.

[Xohaib]

I hope they do this with umar akmal,Because I want him to play attacking cricket because that is his natural game.
I hope he gets this aussie attack because he murdered them on A tour.

[Khurram]

Well Done Benn.

[Khurram]

Thats what we like to watch in cricket. dont like "gentelman" cricket

[jalex382]

Guys i am not sure if i am allowed to post the youtube link but here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2GcHn7sCFI

After seeing what is in this clip, it seems its Haddins fault to walk towards Benn. Ben had turned around and was walking away, when Haddin kept on coming and benn had to turn around. And then Johnson made first physical contact and pushed benn away. If anything both Benn and Haddin both should get even punishment. I didnt hear the clip coz i m in office so maybe after hearing the clip i might change my view. :jm

[Vegitto1]

If you look at the clip in the OP, Even Ponting pushed Bravo for no apparent reason. So I think Australia are the ones who initiated it all.

[Inswinger]

Haddin was the on who started this. He was clearly egging Benn on and wanted a confrontation.

[jusarrived]

ozzies winning the mental mind game again.. just wonder which one of our players they will target .. probably moyo ?


Umar Akmal a very likely candidate & Aus's always target opposition captains ...having a weak captain could be paks biggest weakness in the series , rather than bowing/batting .

this is where pak will miss strong characters like Afridi and Akthar , more than any other series .

[jusarrived]

I dont think our players will have trouble with aussies... Aussies will come hard against players who are arrogant eg bhajji...

I think the aus- pak series will be played in right spirit and not like aus- ind!


:)))

you wish , bro

[giri26]

Umar Akmal a very likely candidate & Aus's always target opposition captains ...having a weak captain could be paks biggest weakness in the series , rather than bowing/batting .

this is where pak will miss strong characters like Afridi and Akthar , more than any other series .

yes I agree, If you don't have strong characters in your team who can stand up to the Aussies on the field, they will bully you over. Aussies know that they can get away with anything on the field with just a small fine. Whenever some opposition has stood up to the Aussies, they have struggled.

[kkmix]

I think anyone would be mad if someone showed the bat at them. and OMG Johnson clearly pushed him....I would be surprises if only benn gets banned and 2 aussies dont, well i wouldn't be surprised coz its ICC.

[saj001]

Umar Akmal a very likely candidate & Aus's always target opposition captains ...having a weak captain could be paks biggest weakness in the series , rather than bowing/batting .

this is where pak will miss strong characters like Afridi and Akthar , more than any other series .


they will also target Asif and Gul

[z2_daredevil]

they will also target Asif and Gul

yeah and gul iz kind of a crazy pathan he is always ready to pick a fight with any one and then gets hit for plenty

if u guys remember in the last test against ross taylor he was trying to pick a fight with him and rossy hit him for plenty......

[Yaser]

Umar Akmal a very likely candidate & Aus's always target opposition captains ...having a weak captain could be paks biggest weakness in the series , rather than bowing/batting .

this is where pak will miss strong characters like Afridi and Akthar , more than any other series .
Akmal ca give it - as proved against o'brian i think

[saj001]

yeah and gul iz kind of a crazy pathan he is always ready to pick a fight with any one and then gets hit for plenty

if u guys remember in the last test against ross taylor he was trying to pick a fight with him and rossy hit him for plenty......


ross was lucky , top egded with a strong breeze helped him. On any other day it was regulation catch for fine leg fielder

[mehdizaheer]

with support of our great gundda bhai - Gayle - aussies cant do nothing ... jus look at the way gayle comes n stands there....

[Mohsin]

Benn to be banned.

Aussies to be congratulated - its their home pitch & they should be allowed to get away with physical contact.

Imagine it was a Pak player.....

And Tony Greig was in the commentary box...

[Random Aussie]

Australians always get away with such things on the field. Talk about bias. Slater pretty much fought with the umpires and Rahul Dravid when his catch in the first test against India was referred but did not receive any punishment but subcontinent players just have to express dissappointment over a decision and they will receive suspension. ICC have to do something regarding the double standards. I pity Benn on this if he indeed gets suspended.

I opened this thread and was totally surprised to see an Indian fan in here sooking about the umpires. The injustice of it all.....

Got photographic memory for umpiring decisions my Indian friends, remember all the decisions for the past decade. Don't remember too many matches but hey who cares about cricket when you can have cry about racial injustice and be a victim?

[TaZ]

A cricket scandal and not one involving pak!?

[Random Aussie]

Come on RA...defend your super stars.

Neither Haddin nor Johnson are super stars :D

I didn't see it. But who cares, they will all get fined and that's it.

[Oxy]

Bob Willis has blamed Suleman Benn totally for this - says he lost it!!!!!

Unbelievable!

[giri26]

I opened this thread and was totally surprised to see an Indian fan in here sooking about the umpires. The injustice of it all.....

Got photographic memory for umpiring decisions my Indian friends, remember all the decisions for the past decade. Don't remember too many matches but hey who cares about cricket when you can have cry about racial injustice and be a victim?

My post has nothing to do with umpiring decisions. I was taking about the match refree not taking action against the Aussies in such situations. Please read my post carefully. There is no mention of bad umpiring in there, nor was I crying about bad decisions.

[Random Aussie]

My post has nothing to do with umpiring decisions. I was taking about the match refree not taking action against the Aussies in such situations. Please read my post carefully. There is no mention of bad umpiring in there, nor was I crying about bad decisions.

Standard post really 'Aussie gets away with everything while poor little us get suspended harshly for ball tampering and chucking and swearing and dissent and hitting the opposition and whatever else".......

I guess like most Indian fans, you would rather see a cricketer get suspended to appease your victim mentality than see that cricketer play cricket.

[Mohsin]

Bob Willis has blamed Suleman Benn totally for this - says he lost it!!!!!

Unbelievable!

He's right though

[Usman]

If either Johnson or Benn is convicted of making inappropriate physical contact under the ICC code of conduct, they can be fined 100 per cent of their match fee (in the Australian's case, $13,250) or banned for one Test.

:O Is that sum right???? To put it into context for those not familiar with Aus currency, thats about £7,300! That's staggering when you consider its ON TOP OF the amount they earn from their central contracts. So any given test match will cost the Australian board around £80,000 just in match fees! Wow is all I can say.

[12thMan]

Yes some teams also get punished more than others.
And Haddin was hilarious. After Benn had a go at him, he said nothing.That is being smart. Don't get caught on stumps mic. Need to know how to play the game properly

If Benn had kept some cool then Haddin and Benn would have got same punishment. But when it was over Benn went to the batsmen and made it worse. It probably will not be bans but just match fees. Option should be given to the player though. Benn is not a regular so he might prefer one over the other

[Random Aussie]

:O Is that sum right???? To put it into context for those not familiar with Aus currency, thats about £7,300! That's staggering when you consider its ON TOP OF the amount they earn from their central contracts. So any given test match will cost the Australian board around £80,000 just in match fees! Wow is all I can say.

Yep that amount is correct. And I think it is about 5K for ODI games. In addition to the central contract.

[ace58]

how come nobody is talking about ponting pushing bravo for no reason didn't gambhir get suspended for the same thing?

[Random Aussie]

how come nobody is talking about ponting pushing bravo for no reason didn't gambhir get suspended for the same thing?

Gambhir actually hit Watson.

[12thMan]

:O Is that sum right???? To put it into context for those not familiar with Aus currency, thats about £7,300! That's staggering when you consider its ON TOP OF the amount they earn from their central contracts. So any given test match will cost the Australian board around £80,000 just in match fees! Wow is all I can say.England might be paying more or same. They also get some piece of gate money too - meaning 5 day match is better for them then a 3 day match

[wiseguy]

all 3 should be lined up against the boundary and kicked in the balls 3 times!! then suspended

[ace58]

Gambhir actually hit Watson.

your honestly telling me that what gambhir did to watson is considerably worse than what ponting did to bravo that gambhirs action merits a susension and ponting deserves no punishment? ponting pushed bravo, gambhir looks like he just tapped watson. How is it any worse?

[Random Aussie]

your honestly telling me that what gambhir did to watson is considerably worse than what ponting did to bravo that gambhirs action merits a susension and ponting deserves no punishment? ponting pushed bravo, gambhir looks like he just tapped watson. How is it any worse?

There is a different between pushing someone and hitting someone. Hence the suspension for GG (after a prior offence where he did similar to Afridi) and no action on Ponting.

[ace58]

There is a different between pushing someone and hitting someone. Hence the suspension for GG (after a prior offence where he did similar to Afridi) and no action on Ponting.


Why are you bringing up the afridi incident? was that part of the ICC explantion when they banned gambhir? I didn't read it but if it wasn't the afridi incident has nothing to do with the watson gambhir inccident. and come back to the gambhir incident do you honestly think gambhirs contact with watson was worse than ponting pushing bravo for no reason? so you telling me players have every right to go around pushing other players with no punishment what so ever but the minute they tap them they will be banned? what logic is this?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Bob Willis has blamed Suleman Benn totally for this - says he lost it!!!!!

Unbelievable!

Bob Willis is an idiot

Benn was not blameless BUT Haddin was the instigator and should receive a punishment at the very least similar to Benn

[Random Aussie]

Why are you bringing up the afridi incident? was that part of the ICC explantion when they banned gambhir? I didn't read it but if it wasn't the afridi incident has nothing to do with the watson gambhir inccident. and come back to the gambhir incident do you honestly think gambhirs contact with watson was worse than ponting pushing bravo for no reason? so you telling me players have every right to go around pushing other players with no punishment what so ever but the minute they tap them they will be banned? what logic is this?

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/376236.html

Broad took in to account Gambhir's previous fine for running into Pakistan's Shahid Afridi and said he hoped the batsman would learn from the incident.

And yes are you blind or what? Gambhir deliberately hit Watson with his elbow. So that is not the same as pushing someone and you are the only person anywhere making noise about Ponting/Bravo.

[saadjhussain]

benn maybe be banned but johnson and haddin won't be banned. afterall, they're australian, how could they do something wrong?

[Random Aussie]

benn maybe be banned but johnson and haddin won't be banned. afterall, they're australian, how could they do something wrong?

:41:

[Big Mac]

Why are you bringing up the afridi incident? was that part of the ICC explantion when they banned gambhir? I didn't read it but if it wasn't the afridi incident has nothing to do with the watson gambhir inccident. and come back to the gambhir incident do you honestly think gambhirs contact with watson was worse than ponting pushing bravo for no reason? so you telling me players have every right to go around pushing other players with no punishment what so ever but the minute they tap them they will be banned? what logic is this?

Leave it mate, if Ponting gets suspended then our batsmen might have to cope with a captain who knows what he's doing. Haven't seen the incident but as far as I'm concerned he's completely blameless.

[ace58]

benn maybe be banned but johnson and haddin won't be banned. afterall, they're australian, how could they do something wrong?

Yes as random aussies previously stated aparently the australians are allowed to litterally push around players for no reason and not recieve any kind of punishment at all.

And ra If broad had such a problem with the afirid gambhir incedent why did he have to wait until the aussies series to ban him? And the gambhir afridi contact was far worse than watson and gambhir did you even see that gambhir and watson incident? It was just gentle nudge no worse than what ponting did bravo, your making it seam like he gave him something out of the WWF or tackled him (like clarke did to tendulkar.) and the reason no is making a big deal about is because its isn't a big deal just like the watson gambhir incident wasn't but he still got banned for it.

[Random Aussie]

Yes as random aussies previously stated aparently the australians are allowed to litterally push around players for no reason and not recieve any kind of punishment at all.

And ra If broad had such a problem with the afirid gambhir incedent why did he have to wait until the aussies series to ban him? And the gambhir afridi contact was far worse than watson and gambhir did you even see that gambhir and watson incident? It was just gentle nudge no worse than what ponting did bravo, your making it seam like he gave him something out of the WWF or tackled him (like clarke did to tendulkar.) and the reason no is making a big deal about is because its isn't a big deal just like the watson gambhir incident wasn't but he still got banned for it.

Ok no point discussing things with you. Peace.

[ace58]

Ok no point discussing things with you. Peace.


Thats because your whole argument about it being fine for players to litterally push other for no reason and is okay but gently nudging them is terrible is a ridiculous argument and you know it. Even more terrible was how you tried describing the watson incident much worse than it was.

[the SHA]

There needs to be a hearing! Based just on the TV clip evidence its hard to determine if there was anything particularly offensive said by Haddin as he aimed his bat towards Benn Ben sahib.

If there wasnt, then IMO Benn should be banned for a game for over reacting at the end of the over. A ban for Haddin or Johnson would be harsh based on the TV evidence.

Benn should learn not to take the bait from the Aussies in future, a spinner cant bowl bouncers!

[AZ]

There needs to be a hearing! Based just on the TV clip evidence its hard to determine if there was anything particularly offensive said by Haddin as he aimed his bat towards Benn Ben sahib.

If there wasnt, then IMO Benn should be banned for a game for over reacting at the end of the over. A ban for Haddin or Johnson would be harsh based on the TV evidence.

Benn should learn not to take the bait from the Aussies in future, a spinner cant bowl bouncers!

yes he can:

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[the SHA]

Please read again, I said 'spinner' not 'Afridi-er' (a genre of its own!)

[AZ]

there is no such thing as an Afridi-er

[Random Aussie]

Thats because your whole argument about it being fine for players to litterally push other for no reason and is okay but gently nudging them is terrible is a ridiculous argument and you know it. Even more terrible was how you tried describing the watson incident much worse than it was.

No it is because I can't be bothered deciphering your posts.

But my argument is:

Gambhir was banned because he struck Watson with his elbow. That is what was found by the referee and was actually what Gambhir admitted to on appeal (after first pretending it was accident). Gambhir had a previous offence against Afridi taken into consideration when setting the punishment.

Now, credit goes to Gambhir because he has settled down, stopped getting himself into fights on the pitch and channelled that aggression into making lots and lots of runs for India. Well done to him.

Ponting was not reported, the West Indians had no issue with it, the only place anywhere I have read anything being made of this is your posts and your posts only. Not sure why it is so important to you that "somefin mus' b dun!".

[AZ]

because we hate the Aussie cricketers, damnit!

[Random Aussie]

because we hate the Aussie cricketers, damnit!

But we are not even good cricket team anymore :(

[AZ]

still! you're arrogant, c0cky and damn good fielders!

[ace58]

Ponting was not reported, the West Indians had no issue with it, the only place anywhere I have read anything being made of this is your posts and your posts only. Not sure why it is so important to you that "somefin mus' b dun!".



I never said anything must be done I am just pointing out the fact that australians tend to get more offended by these incidents than other teams. Forget about what hapned in the past or what the referees saw or didn't I am telling you to look at the gambhir incdent and ponting incdent in itself and tell me how gambhir gently nudging is any worse than what ponting did when he pushed bravo? You cant disagree with me that it was just a gentle tap. And even when you put it in context of the match watson sledged gambhir almost every ball he bowled and johson was also digging katich and johnson where digging into gambhir as well, heck katich at one point got in gambhirs way preventing him from getting an easy single and could have easily resulted in a run out. and even right before gambhir nudged watson, watson was seldging gambhir.

Now compare that to the bravo ponting incdent where bravo was just minding his own business and ponting comes out of nowhere and just pushes bravo, for no aparent reason at all and your trying to tell me that gambhir insulted the game more than ponting did?

gambhir atleast was provoked and still all he did was gently tap watson. keep in mind that people still blame matterazzi for provoking that incident in the world cup even though he was the one that got head butted. And as a result the italians lost a lot of recpect even though they where world champions.

[Fish]

I never said anything must be done I am just pointing out the fact that australians tend to get more offended by these incidents than other teams. Forget about what hapned in the past or what the referees saw or didn't I am telling you to look at the gambhir incdent and ponting incdent in itself and tell me how gambhir gently nudging is any worse than what ponting did when he pushed bravo? You cant disagree with me that it was just a gentle tap. And even when you put it in context of the match watson sledged gambhir almost every ball he bowled and johson was also digging katich and johnson where digging into gambhir as well, heck katich at one point got in gambhirs way preventing him from getting an easy single and could have easily resulted in a run out. and even right before gambhir nudged watson, watson was seldging gambhir.

Now compare that to the bravo ponting incdent where bravo was just minding his own business and ponting comes out of nowhere and just pushes bravo, for no aparent reason at all and your trying to tell me that gambhir insulted the game more than ponting did?

gambhir atleast was provoked and still all he did was gently tap watson. keep in mind that people still blame matterazzi for provoking that incident in the world cup even though he was the one that got head butted. And as a result the italians lost a lot of recpect even though they where world champions.

Your beef is with the match referee, it has nothing to do with the Australian team. When or where players get reported has nothing to do with the Australian team. Even though I dont think you have a case at all.

Anything involving the Aussies is hang them first then have a trial.

You seem to think that the match referee is told what to do by the Australian players, its time to grow a little.

[ace58]

Your beef is with the match referee, it has nothing to do with the Australian team. When or where players get reported has nothing to do with the Australian team. Even though I dont think you have a case at all.

Anything involving the Aussies is hang them first then have a trial.

You seem to think that the match referee is told what to do by the Australian players, its time to grow a little.

I think you should go back and read my post more carefully because I never once blamed austalian players at all smart guy. I critized their sportmanship and how some of their fans justify these bans and punishments. they have no controll over who gets banned or not.

[tdigi]

Saint Aussies...do not blame them.

[Fish]

I think you should go back and read my post more carefully because I never once blamed austalian players at all smart guy. I critized their sportmanship and how some of their fans justify these bans and punishments. they have no controll over who gets banned or not.

I think it is you who needs to read what you write, take this for instance"I am just pointing out the fact that australians tend to get more offended by these incidents than other teams."

Your claim is false, Australians are not offended by this and are quite happy for the match referee to handle it. Others who dont seem to be Australians have already started to blame Broad and the system. Like I said none of these appear to be Australians. Perhaps you can point out where these sensitive Australians are and I'll point out a few sensitive posters who just overreact.

[moumotta]

Sulieman Benn has been banned for one Test or two ODIs.

Aussies get away with fines.

Chris Broad delivers justice in his usual way.

[Fish]

Sulieman Benn has been banned for one Test or two ODIs.

Aussies get away with fines.

Chris Broad delivers justice in his usual way.

Not another Aussie complaining!!

[ace58]

I think it is you who needs to read what you write, take this for instance"I am just pointing out the fact that australians tend to get more offended by these incidents than other teams."

Your claim is false, Australians are not offended by this and are quite happy for the match referee to handle it. Others who dont seem to be Australians have already started to blame Broad and the system. Like I said none of these appear to be Australians. Perhaps you can point out where these sensitive Australians are and I'll point out a few sensitive posters who just overreact.

Again where have I blamed the austalian players for who ICC hand out punishment too as you baselessly accused me of in your previous post? I am pointing out the fact that despite everybody in international cricket knowing the aussies are worst in terms of sportmanship and are the most offensive to the integrity of the game of cricket they seem to get off very lightly when it comes to punishment from the ICC which is very closely related to what this topic is about.

Infact simon katich got in the way of gambhir that could have caused a run out and when gambhir complained katich got in gambhir face and started yelling at him similiar to what ben did yet nothing happened to katich

[Fish]

Again where have I blamed the austalian players for who ICC hand out punishment too as you baselessly accused me of in your previous post? I am pointing out the fact that despite everybody in international cricket knowing the aussies are worst in terms of sportmanship and are the most offensive to the integrity of the game of cricket they seem to get off very lightly when it comes to punishment from the ICC which is very closely related to what this topic is about.

Infact simon katich got in the way of gambhir that could have caused a run out and when gambhir complained katich got in gambhir face and started yelling at him similiar to what ben did yet nothing happened to katich

You have no respect and are consumed with jealousy, continue with you ranting.

[Yaser]

take this to ICF lads - they can add their eloquent vitriol.

[Random Aussie]

Again where have I blamed the austalian players for who ICC hand out punishment too as you baselessly accused me of in your previous post? I am pointing out the fact that despite everybody in international cricket knowing the aussies are worst in terms of sportmanship and are the most offensive to the integrity of the game of cricket they seem to get off very lightly when it comes to punishment from the ICC which is very closely related to what this topic is about.

Infact simon katich got in the way of gambhir that could have caused a run out and when gambhir complained katich got in gambhir face and started yelling at him similiar to what ben did yet nothing happened to katich

Indian phir ro rahe hain :yk

[ace58]

You have no respect and are consumed with jealousy, continue with you ranting.

No I have huge recpect for great players like ponting warne mgrath, australia has great history of producing players with amazing talent but why is it with supporters like you we arn't allowed to talk about their sportmanship? Do you also feal that people who are critical of ronaldo for diving are jealous? Or heck maybe ICC banned gambhir because their jealous his average is so high. What does jealousy have do with critizing a teams sportmanship or critizing the ICC history of punishment?

[Random Aussie]

No I have huge recpect for great players like ponting warne mgrath, australia has great history of producing players with amazing talent but why is it with supporters like you we arn't allowed to talk about their sportmanship? Do you also feal that people who are critical of ronaldo for diving are jealous? Or heck maybe ICC banned gambhir because their jealous his average is so high. What does jealousy have do with critizing a teams sportmanship or critizing the ICC history of punishment?

;-)

[ace58]

Indian phir ro rahe hain :yk


Why would indians be crying? Now that australia sucks at cricket the only thing australia is known for is its racist that gang up on foreigners and over rated actors that act in gay cowboy films.

[Random Aussie]

Why would indians be crying? Now that australia sucks at cricket the only thing australia is known for is racist that gang up on foreigners and over rated actors that act in gay cowboy films.

:))) :))) :yk

[Random Aussie]

Back to the actual subject, Haddin fined 25% of his fee, Johnson 10%, Benn banned for 2 ODI's. It is important to note that both Haddin and Johnson pleaded guilty while Benn tried to argue he was not guilty which is an interesting thing to argue.....

[ace58]

okay lets calm down now, heath leadger was a great actor, RIP.

[ace58]

Back to the actual subject, Haddin fined 25% of his fee, Johnson 10%, Benn banned for 2 ODI's. It is important to note that both Haddin and Johnson pleaded guilty while Benn tried to argue he was not guilty which is an interesting thing to argue.....


In all honesty I don't think anyone should be punished at all. Haddin and johnson did nothing wrong they had every right to complain if they fealt ben was physically trying to prevent johnson from completeing the run and benn had every right to be insulted at what the gesture.

[moumotta]

Back to the actual subject, Haddin fined 25% of his fee, Johnson 10%, Benn banned for 2 ODI's. It is important to note that both Haddin and Johnson pleaded guilty while Benn tried to argue he was not guilty which is an interesting thing to argue.....

Some cricketers may be offered a back door deal. Others have to continue arguing their case.

[Random Aussie]

White cricketers may be offered a back door deal. Others have to continue arguing their case.

Just clarified what you meant eh?

Or perhaps our cricketers don't waste their time trying to lie to the match referee to get out of the punishment.

Sachin was just cleaning the seam right?

What was Dravid's excuse again?

Harby said nothing, no wait on appeal maybe I said Maankii

Gambhir was just an accident, no wait on appeal maybe I was provoked

Benn I didn't touch him or whatever stupid angle he tried to argue....

[tdigi]

BCCI should have offered a chartered flight to the Windies...or at least a free ticket to Big Benn :))

[moumotta]

Just clarified what you meant eh?

??

Not sure if Kiwis get any speacial deals.

[ace58]

This was the point I was trying to make earlier big ben gets banned for pointing his fingure at haddin and getting up in his face, haddin gets fined for pointing his bat, and yet ricky ponting pushes bravo for no reason and gets away scotch free? This is why I am very critical about the competence of the ICC in the way it hands out punishments. You can say no umpire saw the ponting incident but isn't their someone from the ICC who is supposed watch the match and look for things the Umpires missed?

[kkmix]

Afridi once pointed bat at one of the spectator in south africa and he was banned for 4 odis...and Haddin points bat at Benn and only gets 25% match fees fine...strange.

[deathstreak]

I think it is you who needs to read what you write, take this for instance"I am just pointing out the fact that australians tend to get more offended by these incidents than other teams."

Your claim is false, Australians are not offended by this and are quite happy for the match referee to handle it. Others who dont seem to be Australians have already started to blame Broad and the system. Like I said none of these appear to be Australians. Perhaps you can point out where these sensitive Australians are and I'll point out a few sensitive posters who just overreact.

The incident must be reported.

3.1.1 an Umpire that officiated in the International Match during which
the alleged offence was committed;
3.1.2 the Team Manager or CEO of either of the two National Cricket
Federations whose representative teams participated in the
International Match during, or in relation to which, the alleged
offence was committed;
3.1.3 the ICC’s Chief Executive Officer; or
3.1.4 provided it is a Level 3 Offence or Level 4 Offence that is alleged
to have been committed, the Match Referee that was appointed
to officiate in the International Match during which the alleged
offence was committed. (For the avoidance of any doubt, the
Match Referee is not entitled to lodge a Report in relation to an
alleged Level 1 Offence or Level 2 Offence).

lvl 2 offense
Inappropriate and deliberate physical contact between Players in
the course of play during an International Match.
Unless the umpires saw ponting shove the WI player, and did not report then you can say there is a problem. Other than that it will depend on the WI themselves reporting.


What Gambhir did was lvl 3/4 i guess cause he hit the other player. As well as this altercation.
Of course if serious bad mouthing did take place its automatically a lvl 3.

It seems other than the logo violations all others are gray areas for which level to fall under.

I wonder when did this rule come into place....
2.2.10 Any attempt to manipulate an International Match for inappropriate
strategic or tactical reasons.
Note: Article 2.2.10 is intended to prevent the manipulation of
International Matches for inappropriate strategic or tactical reasons
(such as when a team deliberately loses a pool Match in an ICC Event in
order to affect the standings of other teams in that ICC Event). It might
also apply to the inappropriate manipulation of a net run rate
or accumulation of bonus points or otherwise.

[Yaser]

tha hurt us at the world cup!Afridi once pointed bat at one of the spectator in south africa and he was banned for 4 odis...and Haddin points bat at Benn and only gets 25% match fees fine...strange.

[zimran72]

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/376236.html

Broad took in to account Gambhir's previous fine for running into Pakistan's Shahid Afridi and said he hoped the batsman would learn from the incident.

And yes are you blind or what? Gambhir deliberately hit Watson with his elbow. So that is not the same as pushing someone and you are the only person anywhere making noise about Ponting/Bravo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjpI-BHLFI

Watch after 3 minutes. We know what Aussies do is worse than what Benn did. Benn ran into Johnson trying to get the ball and wanted to get in front of him. Katich on the other hand holds onto Gambhir and does not let him run and guess what... he gets away with it. Benn does not. Double standards yes

[leggie786]

Physical contact initiated by johnson...i thought he shud've been banned for 3 tests or something....so surprised that aussies are just fined....racism at its besst

[Random Aussie]

Physical contact initiated by johnson...i thought he shud've been banned for 3 tests or something....so surprised that aussies are just fined....racism at its besst

Pathetic as usual from posters on here

[Random Aussie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIjpI-BHLFI

Watch after 3 minutes. We know what Aussies do is worse than what Benn did. Benn ran into Johnson trying to get the ball and wanted to get in front of him. Katich on the other hand holds onto Gambhir and does not let him run and guess what... he gets away with it. Benn does not. Double standards yes

Uh Benn did not get fined for obstructing Johnson, he got fined for going nuts when Haddin waved the bat at him.

[moumotta]

Uh Benn did not get fined for obstructing Johnson, he got fined for going nuts when Haddin waved the bat at him.

He got banned for appealing according to Broad. Some one tell Broad Bottom appealing is a part of justice system, not an offence.

[tdigi]

He got banned for appealing according to Broad. Some one tell Broad Bottom appealing is a part of justice system, not an offence.
:))
Aussies are saints...don't blame them.

[Random Aussie]

He got banned for appealing according to Broad. Some one tell Broad Bottom appealing is a part of justice system, not an offence.

Read the article here and come back eh?

http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/content/current/story/439990.html

He was banned for the confrontation. Not for appealing. But never let facts get in the way of a good old colonial whinge.

[moumotta]

Read the article here and come back eh?

http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/content/current/story/439990.html

He was banned for the confrontation. Not for appealing. But never let facts get in the way of a good old colonial whinge.


Broad said Benn would have received a lesser penalty if he had not appealed the original charge.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/sulieman-benn-handed-international-ban/story-e6frg7mf-1225811715591

[Random Aussie]

Broad said Benn would have received a lesser penalty if he had not appealed the original charge.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/sulieman-benn-handed-international-ban/story-e6frg7mf-1225811715591

It mean he would have received a lesser penalty had he pleaded guilty which is what MJ and Haddin did. You are decent poster Moum but you are wrong on this count.

[moumotta]

It mean he would have received a lesser penalty had he pleaded guilty which is what MJ and Haddin did. You are decent poster Moum but you are wrong on this count.

Thats what I said. He did not plead guilty. Went with a defence and got penalised for wasting Broad Bottom's precious time.

[Random Aussie]

Thats what I said. He did not plead guilty. Went with a defence and got penalised for wasting Broad Bottom's precious time.

Don't know how the rules work in India or wherever you are but fundamental to the English law is the concept that if you plead guilty you get a lesser penalty that if you plead not guilty. Essentially because pleading not guilty and being found guilty means you were lying.

This one is at the heart of a few perceived injustices, the Aussie players almost always plead guilty to get the lesser penalty whereas others like to fight the law.

[moumotta]

Don't know how the rules work in India or wherever you are but fundamental to the English law is the concept that if you plead guilty you get a lesser penalty that if you plead not guilty. Essentially because pleading not guilty and being found guilty means you were lying.

This one is at the heart of a few perceived injustices, the Aussie players almost always plead guilty to get the lesser penalty whereas others like to fight the law.

It should depend on the type of defence. For example, when defence is on grounds of provocation then not pleading guilty is not an offence.

[zimran72]

Uh Benn did not get fined for obstructing Johnson, he got fined for going nuts when Haddin waved the bat at him.

Right. Ponting shoving people while batting. Johnson shoving Benn because Benn was talking to Haddin. Katich plainly holding onto the batsman and nearly causing a run out. So when exactly did cricket become a contact sport?

You are basically telling me showing aggression through words is not okay but physical contact is? Even then, why does Gambhir get fined?

As far as words go, we had one of the greatest Australian fast bowler threatening to rip another cricketer's throat out yet no action was taken.... talk about double standards.

[saadjhussain]

hmmm benn got the 2 match ban? Why am I not surprised.

[ace58]

RA you have to admit that in this incident alone their is alot of double standards in the way the punishment where handed out. The contact was first initiated by johnson when ben went to have a word with haddin who pointed his bat at him for no real reason at all. Sure he did have a right to be upset if he fealt benn was physicall making contact in order to prevent a single, but their are 3 inncident you can find on you tube of aussie bowlers making physical contact with batsman going for single.

Gambhir- katich innident is very similiar to this, katich clearly intentionally blocking gambhir from taking a single and gambhir does the right thing in complaining about it to the refree and katich reacts angrly and gets into gambhirs face and his teamates are forced to get him to back down and what happens as a result of this to katich? Nothing!

This inncident benn tryies go for the ball and makes accedental contact with johson and haddin does the wrong thing in pointing his bat at ben and ben gets into haddins face what happens to ben? 2 game suspenion.

But you could even forget about that and focus on this match alone, ponting got away with pushing a guy for no reason and it was caught on camera. I am willing to bet if bravo pushed ponting and it was caught on camera he would have banned just like ben no questions asked.

You aussies have alot to be proud of in terms of cricketing history but how can you deny their has been alot of inconsitency in the way the ICC hand oout punishments?

[abdul2009]

Thats because your whole argument about it being fine for players to litterally push other for no reason and is okay but gently nudging them is terrible is a ridiculous argument and you know it. Even more terrible was how you tried describing the watson incident much worse than it was.


Another one of many ignorant and biased indian supporter here!

Get a life , you cant compare gambhir's shove with ponting's... you seriously have to be blind or your eyes closed!

If watson decided to retaliate on that day! there would have been a dead gambhir in the cricket pitch :))

[ace58]

Another one of many ignorant and biased indian supporter here!

Get a life , you cant compare gambhir's shove with ponting's... you seriously have to be blind or your eyes closed!

If watson decided to retaliate on that day! there would have been a dead gambhir in the cricket pitch :))


And why can't you compare gambhirs shove with pontings? Are only the aussies allowed to push players around? :13:
And what in watsons history would make you think he would resort to murdeing someone on a cricket pitch? Very intelligent post this is I wonder if you will be supportive of the australian behaviour and possible ICC action when pakistan tour this year, hopefully ajmal won't play because we all saw that disgracefull incident where watson is accusing him of chucking during the game, I never saw that on a cricket pitch.

[abdul2009]

Why would indians be crying? Now that australia sucks at cricket the only thing australia is known for is its racist that gang up on foreigners and over rated actors that act in gay cowboy films.


Then what the heck is your problem! this is a match involving WI and Aus and they sort out matters by themselves...
Whenever there is some blame on pakistanis or aussies you indians line up to critisize, very typical of you!! clean your own backyard first before you open your mouth!
When you have racists like bhajji and arrogance like gambhir you should just shut up!

Moreover who is the worst offender of ICC rules??? of course team india :)))

[ace58]

Then what the heck is your problem! this is a match involving WI and Aus and they sort out matters by themselves...
Whenever there is some blame on pakistanis or aussies you indians line up to critisize, very typical of you!! clean your own backyard first before you open your mouth!
When you have racists like bhajji and arrogance like gambhir you should just shut up!

Moreover who is the worst offender of ICC rules??? of course team india :)))
So I am only allowed to comment on matches that involve indian cricket? And please don't make idiotic assumptions about what I feal on matters or inncedents that involve pakistan all I have been arguing in this thread is the idiotic way the ICC hands out punishment and as a pakistani telling me that I am wrong and every punishment the ICC has handed out is fair? If yes then disagree with me with facts not childesh statments like
"man shane watson would kill gambhir yeah hahahah."

[abdul2009]

And why can't you compare gambhirs shove with pontings? Are only the aussies allowed to push players around? :13:
And what in watsons history would make you think he would resort to murdeing someone on a cricket pitch? Very intelligent post this is I wonder if you will be supportive of the australian behaviour and possible ICC action when pakistan tour this year, hopefully ajmal won't play because we all saw that disgracefull incident where watson is accusing him of chucking during the game, I never saw that on a cricket pitch.

I watched that match fully and no where in the telly we can see watson complaining to the umpire on ajmal action! dont add masala to non indian news

[moumotta]

Watch carefully at 00:24 (after the Intel ad). Mitch forces himself under Ben's elbow and then pushes him away.

Wonder what video evidence Broadie was using.

http://media.theage.com.au/sport/sports-hq/tempers-fray-at-the-waca-979310.html

[161]

This is really unfair

MJ and Benn were equally as guilty in initiating contact .. however it was pretty minor and neither of them deserved a ban.

Buy Benn gets one and MJ doesn't .. Windies should appeal this.

[Indiafan]

Then what the heck is your problem! this is a match involving WI and Aus and they sort out matters by themselves...
Whenever there is some blame on pakistanis or aussies you indians line up to critisize, very typical of you!! clean your own backyard first before you open your mouth!
When you have racists like bhajji and arrogance like gambhir you should just shut up!

Moreover who is the worst offender of ICC rules??? of course team india :)))

I am extremely surprised that your anti-India bias actually makes you support something which is clearly wrong. Many Pakistanis including Akhtar have been on the recieving end of similar dubious descisions in Australia. You can alos expect similar things when you are touring there this time.

Any nuetral watching this match and punishment being meted out would definitely think there was some level of double standards. You can see the opinion of most of the Pak fans on this thread itself who think this was wrong

[Indiafan]

Its obvious that there is a clear strategy by Australians to target certain players in the opposition and get under there skin. Many opposition players have been banned in the past wehn they reacted in a way in which its human to react. Can the same match refree be involved in so many of these descisions and not been able to figure out whats going on?

Since this is a conscious tactic by australians, doesnt it make it against the sporting spirit and hence worth a change of rule?

[Fish]

This is really unfair

MJ and Benn were equally as guilty in initiating contact .. however it was pretty minor and neither of them deserved a ban.

Buy Benn gets one and MJ doesn't .. Windies should appeal this.

Niether player would have been banned. Johnson said he was guilty and took the fine, Benn on the other hand said he was not guilty. And as you said both were equally guilty but Benn insists he is innocent. So if both had of said yes we made a mistake and will take the fine then Benn would have been treated the same as Johnson. Benn is claiming he is not guilty of anything and has decided to fight the system, Johnson if he had decided to fight the systm would have been treated the same as Benn. Now I dont care what happens with Benn its between him and the officials responsible for hearing his claims. It is not different treatment for the Australians but a different approach to the problem by them.

[Random Aussie]

Its obvious that there is a clear strategy by Australians to target certain players in the opposition and get under there skin. Many opposition players have been banned in the past wehn they reacted in a way in which its human to react. Can the same match refree be involved in so many of these descisions and not been able to figure out whats going on?

Since this is a conscious tactic by australians, doesnt it make it against the sporting spirit and hence worth a change of rule?

It has been equally an obvious tactic used by India against certain Aussie players for the same reason - do you want to try to deny that?

[Random Aussie]

RA you have to admit that in this incident alone their is alot of double standards in the way the punishment where handed out. The contact was first initiated by johnson when ben went to have a word with haddin who pointed his bat at him for no real reason at all. Sure he did have a right to be upset if he fealt benn was physicall making contact in order to prevent a single, but their are 3 inncident you can find on you tube of aussie bowlers making physical contact with batsman going for single.

Gambhir- katich innident is very similiar to this, katich clearly intentionally blocking gambhir from taking a single and gambhir does the right thing in complaining about it to the refree and katich reacts angrly and gets into gambhirs face and his teamates are forced to get him to back down and what happens as a result of this to katich? Nothing!

This inncident benn tryies go for the ball and makes accedental contact with johson and haddin does the wrong thing in pointing his bat at ben and ben gets into haddins face what happens to ben? 2 game suspenion.

But you could even forget about that and focus on this match alone, ponting got away with pushing a guy for no reason and it was caught on camera. I am willing to bet if bravo pushed ponting and it was caught on camera he would have banned just like ben no questions asked.

You aussies have alot to be proud of in terms of cricketing history but how can you deny their has been alot of inconsitency in the way the ICC hand oout punishments?

No because our players are capable of understanding the rules and using them to their advantage. Not really our issue if other nations are too stupid or stubborn to understand the rules.

If you get paid 100$ a year to represent your country and a few words make you behave like a fool then guess who the fool is?

And he was not the "innocent" Benn like you make out. More to the point the West Indies don't really think it is an issue, neither do we, why is it Indian crew who decide to jump in and stamp their feet?

Fish summed up the penalty and ruling perfectly but I doubt anyone likely to take any notice...it's bash Aussies time!

[tdigi]

It has been equally an obvious tactic used by India against certain Aussie players for the same reason - do you want to try to deny that?
No doubt. In honesty the Indians learned it from the Aussies. The new generation of cricketers are a different brand here...

[tdigi]

why is it Indian crew who decide to jump in and stamp their feet?

Don't deny anyone the right to express their opinion....hmmm... :13:

[abdul2009]

I am extremely surprised that your anti-India bias actually makes you support something which is clearly wrong. Many Pakistanis including Akhtar have been on the recieving end of similar dubious descisions in Australia. You can alos expect similar things when you are touring there this time.

Any nuetral watching this match and punishment being meted out would definitely think there was some level of double standards. You can see the opinion of most of the Pak fans on this thread itself who think this was wrong

What haddin and johnson were doing were completely in defence and it can be clearly seen... unless your anti australian thinking closes your eyes completely! Benn has been sprouting abuses for a while in the perth test even before the incident happened!
In the 2nd test he literally followed watson to the pavillion cursing him or whatever but watson did'nt respond to him a bit!! whats your take on that? you still say benn is innocent?? As per cricinfo benn has been punished by ICC atleast 3 times, so its not a saint we are dealing with here!

What would you do if a 6.7ft thing is pointing his hand over your shoulders (and also making contact) ??? maybe you will run away but johnson just defended!
Cant see why this dont make sense to you?

Anyway justice has been served right :14:

[junoon]

What haddin and johnson were doing were completely in defence and it can be clearly seen... unless your anti australian thinking closes your eyes completely! Benn has been sprouting abuses for a while in the perth test even before the incident happened!
In the 2nd test he literally followed watson to the pavillion cursing him or whatever but watson did'nt respond to him a bit!! whats your take on that? you still say benn is innocent?? As per cricinfo benn has been punished by ICC atleast 3 times, so its not a saint we are dealing with here!

What would you do if a 6.7ft thing is pointing his hand over your shoulders (and also making contact) ??? maybe you will run away but johnson just defended!
Cant see why this dont make sense to you?

Anyway justice has been served right :14:

This Abdul2009 is probably an australian who is pretending to be a pakistani??

[ace58]

I watched that match fully and no where in the telly we can see watson complaining to the umpire on ajmal action! dont add masala to non indian news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsAROIEcjcc
Go to around 1 50 minute mark where they show watson visualy colaining about ajmals action and the pakistanis accuse him of tipping the umpires.
I wonder if your hero watson might have killed ajmal as well?

article from dawn a pakistani source.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/cricket/09-ajmal-blames-watson-for-tipping-off-umpires--04

‘Ajmal has played against four countries and nobody raised any finger on his action and suddenly this decision comes,’ Alam said.

[z2_daredevil]

yes he can:

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:14:
TIGHT !!!

[fawdu]

Don't know how the rules work in India or wherever you are but fundamental to the English law is the concept that if you plead guilty you get a lesser penalty that if you plead not guilty. Essentially because pleading not guilty and being found guilty means you were lying.




Niether player would have been banned. Johnson said he was guilty and took the fine, Benn on the other hand said he was not guilty. And as you said both were equally guilty but Benn insists he is innocent. So if both had of said yes we made a mistake and will take the fine then Benn would have been treated the same as Johnson. Benn is claiming he is not guilty of anything and has decided to fight the system, Johnson if he had decided to fight the systm would have been treated the same as Benn. Now I dont care what happens with Benn its between him and the officials responsible for hearing his claims. It is not different treatment for the Australians but a different approach to the problem by them.

Plea bargaining is not permitted under the ICC Code of Conduct.

7.6.4 nothing in this Code of Conduct shall permit plea bargaining
in relation to any alleged offence committed under this Code
of Conduct



This one is at the heart of a few perceived injustices, the Aussie players almost always plead guilty to get the lesser penalty whereas others like to fight the law.

Watson did not plead guilty during the Watson-Gambhir incident. But still received minimum punishment.

Benn did the same but received near maximum punishment.

What a remarkable consistency. :14:

[imrank_88]

i think their should be more of this kinda stuff. whats the point of a ban, tehy are both playing for their country. maybe follow the nhl and allow fights. that would be amazing. big benn vs haddin. or afridi vs tendy just for the fun of it.

[JeeraBlade]

http://www.cricinfo.com/ausvwi09/content/current/story/439990.html

Benn banned for two ODIs, Haddin and Johnson fined by Broad


Sulieman Benn has been suspended following an ugly incident with Brad Haddin and Mitchell Johnson at the WACA on Thursday and will miss West Indies' next two one-day internationals. Benn was handed two suspension points by the match referee Chris Broad, which equates to a ban of one Test or two ODIs, while Haddin has been fined 25% of his match fee and Johnson 10%.

Because the incident occurred in the final Test of the series, Benn's penalty applies to the next international matches in which he is to participate - the ODIs against Australia in Melbourne and Adelaide in February. Benn pleaded not guilty to a Level 2 offence while Haddin and Johnson pleaded guilty to Level 1 offences, all for "conducting themselves in any way that is not in accordance with the spirit of the game".

Benn has the right to appeal and Broad said there was every chance he would have received a lesser penalty had he pleaded guilty. The charges related to the 118th over of Australia's innings, when Benn and Johnson ran into each other, Haddin angrily pointed his bat at Benn, and later in the over Benn approached the batsmen, brushing against Johnson, who then pushed Benn away.

Broad said: "It was an incident which could have been avoided. No one likes to see cricketers pointing bats at their opponents or pushing each other away. It is not the sort of example that players should be setting at any time, least of all in a series which is being played in a great spirit and being followed by millions around the world on television.

"The decision to find Benn guilty of a Level 2 offence is indicative of the fact that conduct contrary to the spirit of the game is completely unacceptable. I hope Mr Benn has learnt his lesson and will be careful in the future."

The over began with a run-in between the bowler Benn, who was moving across to field a drive, and the non-striker Johnson, who was taking off for a single. The contact seemed incidental, with neither man at fault, but Haddin appeared to inflame the situation after completing the run, when he pointed his bat at Benn.

The pair exchanged words and the sparks flew again two balls later, when Haddin drove the final ball of the over back to Benn, who shaped to throw at the striker's end even though Haddin was not taking off for a run. Haddin and Johnson had a mid-pitch meeting at the end of the over and Benn continued his remonstration, moving close to the batsmen and pointing at Haddin across the shoulder of Johnson.

There appeared to be some incidental contact between Johnson and Benn when Johnson moved to position himself between his partner and the bowler. Things became even uglier when Johnson pushed Benn away, following the initial contact. After stumps the West Indies captain Chris Gayle said he felt Benn had not initiated the physical clash.

"Benn wasn't involved in that," Gayle said. "If you watch the telly, you see who made physical contact."

Gayle said there wasn't much in the incident and he quickly moved to speak to his bowler, and the tension died down. "As a captain basically you just try to get on with the game," he said. "No-one wants to bring the game into disrepute so that was the only thing, just try to get on with it."

Benn's competitive nature was on display at the Adelaide Oval last week when he regularly followed through to move into the eyeline of the batsmen, taking the sort of aggressive approach not often seen in spin bowlers. He also has a lighter side and is known for singing at every opportunity and Australia's batsman Marcus North said while Benn was "an unusual guy", it was natural to expect that the match would be played in a competitive spirit.

"There's a contest out there and both teams play it hard and hopefully don't cross the line," North said. "Both teams have played in pretty good spirit this series."

[AZ]

absolute BS...Haddin and Johnson should have received bans for their actions as well

[zimran72]

RA or Abdul2009 or Fish how come I didn't get a response?

[junoon]

C Broad is very biased in his decision making as match referee, i would even say that Broad is a racist

Read more about Broad's history as Match referee and his biased decisions on this website

http://www.cricketnetwork.co.uk/main/s119/st71035.htm

[Fish]

About 35 seconds elapsed before the third umpire was called in, and when replays showed the ball hitting the stumps, Broad was given out. Before walking off he marched over to Aleem Dar and Steve Davis to remonstrate and was clearly unhappy as he left the field.
http://www.cricinfo.com/rsaveng09/content/current/story/440259.html

What will happen here, players remonstrating with the umpires. If this was an Australian there would be an outcry.

[Random Aussie]

Right. Ponting shoving people while batting. Johnson shoving Benn because Benn was talking to Haddin. Katich plainly holding onto the batsman and nearly causing a run out. So when exactly did cricket become a contact sport?

You are basically telling me showing aggression through words is not okay but physical contact is? Even then, why does Gambhir get fined?

As far as words go, we had one of the greatest Australian fast bowler threatening to rip another cricketer's throat out yet no action was taken.... talk about double standards.

For the last time, Gambhir was suspended for deliberately hitting Shane Watson with an elbow as he ran past. Gambhir had previously done something similar to Afridi which was taken into account when setting his penalty.

As for the rest, we don't set the rules, we just play by them. Not our problem if other countries players are not able to control themselves on the field.

[Random Aussie]

RA or Abdul2009 or Fish how come I didn't get a response?

Well I was asleep and Fish probably was too. ;-)

[Random Aussie]

Plea bargaining is not permitted under the ICC Code of Conduct.

Watson did not plead guilty during the Watson-Gambhir incident. But still received minimum punishment.

Benn did the same but received near maximum punishment.

What a remarkable consistency. :14:

Plea bargaining? It becomes pretty apparent from this you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so would suggest you should leave it to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

Watson was fined for sledging Gambhir - if you want to try and argue that case was the same as Benn's, again you are going to embarass yourself. But carry on :D

[ace58]

C Broad is very biased in his decision making as match referee, i would even say that Broad is a racist

Read more about Broad's history as Match referee and his biased decisions on this website

http://www.cricketnetwork.co.uk/main/s119/st71035.htm

Its amazing that someone with this kind of history is in charge of punishing players. Yet people want to look at all these incedents and still sugjest that ICC ruling are 100% fair and tottaly consistant.

And RA no one is making a big deal out of bravo-ponting incident because other fans don't advocate banning players and I am not advocating anything happen to ponting at all. All I am saying is Had it been the other way around and bravo got cought on camera pushing ponting bravo would have been suspended and you would be here defending the punishment saying "we can't allow players to go pushing around other players for no reason." the same way you are saying suliman benn has no right to get into peoples faces (something aussies do all the time without any punishment.)

[fawdu]

Plea bargaining? It becomes pretty apparent from this you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about so would suggest you should leave it to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

And then what is procedure of handing out a less harsh punishment if the accused pleads guilty called?


Secondly when the match referee brings out a charge against a player , he specifies the sanction imposed upon the player in the Notice of Charge document handed out to the player. How is the match referee going to know whether the player is going to plead guilty or not at that time so as to decide on the quantum of punishment accordingly?



Watson was fined for sledging Gambhir - if you want to try and argue that case was the same as Benn's, again you are going to embarass yourself. But carry on :D

I am not comparing the punishments in both the cases or even the cases themselves.. Only pointing out his inconsistency.

Broad has said that Benn would have received a less harsh punishment but for pleading not guilty.

Watson had pleaded not guilty as well. But still when Broad found him guilty , he was given the minimum punishment possible. Why wasn't Watson given a harsher punishment - as applicable to a Level 1 offence -since he had pleaded not guilty?

[zimran72]

For the last time, Gambhir was suspended for deliberately hitting Shane Watson with an elbow as he ran past. Gambhir had previously done something similar to Afridi which was taken into account when setting his penalty.

As for the rest, we don't set the rules, we just play by them. Not our problem if other countries players are not able to control themselves on the field.

Depends how you use the word 'hitting' because his 'hit' was not malicious, disrespectful, and he was not trying to injure Watson.

Ponting on the other hand shoved Bravo in a malicious and disrespectful manner. The way Katich held onto Gambhir was not 'playing by the rules' as I said this is not a contact sport. However, there are glaring inconsistencies on how the rule is applied in different cases.

Alos when you get some dished back to you, you are the first ones to cry. Not just Mcgrath nearly breaking down after Sarwan gave it back to him. Remember that alcoholic that used to play for you thought monkey was racial abuse. Monkey is an animal known for being less civilized and intelligent than humans as well as for its jumping up and down. You can call someone a monkey when they act like one as Harbajhan did to Symonds. Symonds thinks he is being racially abused. My white school teacher called me a monkey was that racial abuse too?

In the end you may not set the rules, you definitely don't play by them but you decide where the rule is applicable and where it is not.

[Random Aussie]

And then what is procedure of handing out a less harsh punishment if the accused pleads guilty called?

Mitigation. Plea bargaining is the process by which (hypothetically) the prosecutor and the defendant work out what the actual charge will be, based on the defendant pleading guilty. This is used in courts, particularly America, to save time that would be otherwise spent trying to prove a persons guilt for a more serious offence.

There you go and now you know.

[Random Aussie]

Depends how you use the word 'hitting' because his 'hit' was not malicious, disrespectful, and he was not trying to injure Watson.

Ponting on the other hand shoved Bravo in a malicious and disrespectful manner. The way Katich held onto Gambhir was not 'playing by the rules' as I said this is not a contact sport. However, there are glaring inconsistencies on how the rule is applied in different cases.

:6: Build a bridge and get over it.

[zimran72]

:6:


My point exactly. Edited my previous post btw.

[ace58]

:6: Build a bridge and get over it.
The reason asian teams cant get over it is that aussies get away with doing things all the time that asians wouldn't. If afridi or gambhir got caught on camera pushing some white player in an unprovocked fashion for no reason their is no chance in hell the ICC wouldn't ban them or punish them in some way. Its easy to look at it and say its not a big deal but it is when you put it in the context of who the ICC bans and fines historically and things they punish them for.

[Random Aussie]

Alos when you get some dished back to you, you are the first ones to cry. Not just Mcgrath nearly breaking down after Sarwan gave it back to him. Remember that alcoholic that used to play for you thought monkey was racial abuse. Monkey is an animal known for being less civilized and intelligent than humans as well as for its jumping up and down. You can call someone a monkey when they act like one as Harbajhan did to Symonds. Symonds thinks he is being racially abused. My white school teacher called me a monkey was that racial abuse too?

In the end you may not set the rules, you definitely don't play by them but you decide where the rule is applicable and where it is not.

Well there are quite a lot of errors in your whinge here.

McGrath lost it because Sarwan mentioned his wife and his wife was suffering from cancer (McGrath's actions were poor and Sarwan meant no malice by the way).

Monkey is a term of racial abuse. Fact. And yes your school teacher should have known better.

And you are slandering Symonds saying he is an alcoholic.

Some internet posters seem to want all cricketers who show any emotion out there banned. As I said get over it.

[zimran72]

Well there are quite a lot of errors in your whinge here.

McGrath lost it because Sarwan mentioned his wife and his wife was suffering from cancer (McGrath's actions were poor and Sarwan meant no malice by the way).

Monkey is a term of racial abuse. Fact. And yes your school teacher should have known better.

And you are slandering Symonds saying he is an alcoholic.

Some internet posters seem to want all cricketers who show any emotion out there banned. As I said get over it.

Mcgrath's actions were what any Australian would do. Completely lose the plot, I'm glad we agree on something.

Monkey is not a racial abuse. The term monkey was applied to only Symonds for solely his actions not the actions of his entire race. I can assure you that in India and Pakistan the term 'bandar' (monkey) can be applied without people getting too offended. Calling someone a bandar may have to do with the fact the person is goofy or an air-head.

As for showing emotions, well there is a difference between showing emotions and threatening to kill some one or getting physical. Celebrating a wicket or a 100 is showing emotion. Shoving people and pointing bats is taking it a little bit too far.

[ace58]

Well there are quite a lot of errors in your whinge here.

McGrath lost it because Sarwan mentioned his wife and his wife was suffering from cancer (McGrath's actions were poor and Sarwan meant no malice by the way).

Monkey is a term of racial abuse. Fact. And yes your school teacher should have known better.

And you are slandering Symonds saying he is an alcoholic.

Some internet posters seem to want all cricketers who show any emotion out there banned. As I said get over it.

Regardless of weather or not monkey is racial I am fairly certain bhajji called him a punjabi curse word that is similiar to monkey, but even if he did it just showed how lame the australians are. By their own admission he went up too bhajji and started cursing him out but the minute bhajji called him a monkey symonds and the australians went crying to the match refee "but but he called me a monkey!"

Also in india the term monkey is often used to describe someone who is acting stupid, to sugjest that its okay to call white people a monkey but not a black person or a racial minority is sugjesting that black people or people of colour look similiar to monkeys and that is much more racist IMO.

[Random Aussie]

Mcgrath's actions were what any Australian would do. Completely lose the plot, I'm glad we agree on something.

Grow up you fool.

[Gotham Cronie]

Not the first time Benn and Haddin got into it! In fact, Haddin pointed his bat at Benn then too. I wonder if this incident was taken into consideration.

http://cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-1019-43498.html

[Random Aussie]

Regardless of weather or not monkey is racial I am fairly certain bhajji called him a punjabi curse word that is similiar to monkey, but even if he did it just showed how lame the australians are. By their own admission he went up too bhajji and started cursing him out but the minute bhajji called him a monkey symonds and the australians went crying to the match refee "but but he called me a monkey!"

Also in india the term monkey is often used to describe someone who is acting stupid, to sugjest that its okay to call white people a monkey but not a black person or a racial minority is sugjesting that black people or people of colour look similiar to monkeys and that is much more racist IMO.

It is no wonder people have such a hard time understanding ICC decisions when they have such an issue understanding basic facts.

So let me explain it for you bhai :14:

There was an issue with Bhaji calling Symonds monkey during the previous ODI series and serious crowd abuse of Symonds by the Indian crowd in that series. The Australian players were instructed by CA that if there was anything they though was racial abuse on the field during the Test series they must report it. It was not optional for Ponting to report it, he had been told he must report it if he was told of anything.

And it is a racial term, go to America and call some African Americans monkeys and see how long you live for.

[zimran72]

Grow up you fool.

Your calling me a fool? Your the kid that thinks even the slightest abuse is racial. Anyway I think your losing the plot here. Its better we just end this debate before you start a mud slinging match.

[Random Aussie]

Your calling me a fool? Your the kid that thinks even the slightest abuse is racial. Anyway I think your losing the plot here. Its better we just end this debate before you start a mud slinging match.

Yes I am calling you a fool you said "Mcgrath's actions were what any Australian would do". What a stupid thing to say.

And yes monkey is a racially abusive term comprende?

[zimran72]

Yes I am calling you a fool you said "Mcgrath's actions were what any Australian would do". What a stupid thing to say.

And yes monkey is a racially abusive term comprende?

Nope and Nope. It's not good to be ultra-sensitive people will think its your time of the month.

[fawdu]

Mitigation. Plea bargaining is the process by which (hypothetically) the prosecutor and the defendant work out what the actual charge will be, based on the defendant pleading guilty. This is used in courts, particularly America, to save time that would be otherwise spent trying to prove a persons guilt for a more serious offence.

There you go and now you know.

Plea Bargain

plea bargain n. in criminal procedure, a negotiation between the defendant and his attorney on one side and the prosecutor on the other, in which the defendant agrees to plead "guilty" or "no contest" to some crimes, in return for reduction of the severity of the charges, dismissal of some of the charges, the prosecutor's willingness to recommend a particular sentence, or some other benefit to the defendant.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/plea+bargain


Mitigation

MITIGATION. To make less rigorous or penal.
Crimes are frequently committed under circumstances which are not justifiable nor excusable, yet they show that the offender has been greatly tempted; as, for example, when a starving man steals bread to satisfy his hunger, this circumstance is taken into consideration in mitigation of his sentence.


http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mitigation

Now you know the difference between the two. Or at least I hope so.

[Random Aussie]

Plea Bargain

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/plea+bargain

Mitigation

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mitigation

Now you know the difference between the two. Or at least I hope so.

As I said you are just embarassing yourself with this effort. :)

Keep trying. You are still wrong.

[ace58]

It is no wonder people have such a hard time understanding ICC decisions when they have such an issue understanding basic facts.

So let me explain it for you bhai :14:

There was an issue with Bhaji calling Symonds monkey during the previous ODI series and serious crowd abuse of Symonds by the Indian crowd in that series. The Australian players were instructed by CA that if there was anything they though was racial abuse on the field during the Test series they must report it. It was not optional for Ponting to report it, he had been told he must report it if he was told of anything.

And it is a racial term, go to America and call some African Americans monkeys and see how long you live for.

Its a matter of opinion and context what peole precieve to be racist, after the bhajji incident holding said he found nothing racist about it and others blacks as well didn't take offense to it. And don't forget the spirit of the game agreemant was broken when symonds went up to bhajji and began cursing him out and their was no evidence to prove bhajji was guilty it was his word vs simonds but proctor still said he was guilty.

[Random Aussie]

Nope and Nope. It's not good to be ultra-sensitive people will think its your time of the month.

Fine you now get ignored. No problem for me.

[Random Aussie]

Its a matter of opinion and context what peole precieve to be racist, after the bhajji incident holding said he found nothing racist about it and others blacks as well didn't take offense to it. And don't forget the spirit of the game agreemant was broken when symonds went up to bhajji and began cursing him out and their was no evidence to prove bhajji was guilty it was his word vs simonds but proctor still said he was guilty.

Ok that's nice. Sick of this thread. Bye.

[*sallu*]

Suleiman Benn was handed a 2 match ban and Johnson got a 10% fine when it was clear he was the one who initiated physical contact with Benn after the over and pushed him

This is really pathetic stuff
If I were Gayle, I would appeal and either get Benn's ban withdrawn or Johnson to get atleast equal the punishment

Pathetic stuff from Mike Proctor really
One of the most Biased people going around in the cricketing world

[Afridi_Fan]

I don't think MJ started that. Infact it was Haddin was started by pointing bat towards Benn.

[Saj]

from the ICC :-

Benn banned for two ODIs after being found guilty of conduct contrary to the Spirit of Cricket

Haddin and Johnson also fined following a heated altercation

Chris Broad: “No one likes to see cricketers pointing bats at their opponents or pushing each other away”

West Indies spinner Sulieman Benn has received two suspension points while Australia’s Brad Haddin and Mitchell Johnson have been fined 25 per cent and 10 per cent, respectively, of their match fees after being found guilty of breaching the ICC Code of Conduct during the third Test between the two teams in Perth.

Two suspension points in the enhanced code means a ban of one Test or two ODIs, depending whichever comes first for the player.

As such, Benn will miss the opening two ODIs against Australia in Melbourne and Adelaide on 7 and 9 February 2010.

Benn was charged with an article 2.2.11 offence while both Haddin and Johnson were charged with an article 2.1.8 offence. Both these offences prohibit players from conducting themselves in any way that is not in accordance with the spirit of the game.

The incident that led to the charges being laid took place during the 118th over of Australia’s first innings. On the first ball of the over, Benn collided with non-striker Johnson while trying to stop the ball off his own bowling.

Two balls later, Haddin became involved when he pointed his bat at the bowler who had shaped to throw at the striker’s end with the batsman standing in his crease.

The three players then got embroiled in a heated altercation at the end of the 118th over with the 28-year-old from Barbados pointing at the Australia wicketkeeper over the shoulder of Johnson.

The Australia players pleaded guilty at an early stage and, under the provisions of the new code, the matter was determined by Chris Broad of the Emirates Elite Panel of ICC Match Referees without the need for a full hearing. However, a hearing involving Benn was held at the close of the second day’s play after the spinner pleaded not guilty to the charges laid against him.

Mr Broad handed down the punishment after looking at the video evidence of the incident and after conducting the hearing, which was attended by the on-field umpires Ian Gould and Billy Bowden, third umpire Asad Rauf and fourth umpire Rod Tucker (who all had laid the charges). The hearing was also attended by West Indies team manager Joel Garner and captain Chris Gayle.

Commenting on his findings, Mr Broad said: “It was an incident which could have been avoided. No one likes to see cricketers pointing bats at their opponents or pushing each other away.

“It is not the sort of example that players should be setting at any time, least of all in a series which is being played in a great spirit and being followed by millions around the world on television.

“The decision to find Sulieman guilty of a Level 2 offence is indicative of the fact that conduct contrary to the spirit of the game is completely unacceptable. I hope he has learnt his lesson and will be careful in the future.”

Sanctions included in Level 1 of the ICC Code of Conduct can range from an official reprimand to a fine of up to 50 per cent of a player’s match fee, while the penalty for a Level 2 offence ranges from a fine of between 50 and 100 per cent of the player’s match fee and/or two suspension points.

For Level 2 offences players have the right to appeal against match referee’s decision within 48 hours of notification of that decision, while for a first Level 1 offence the match referee’s decision is final and binding.

[*sallu*]

I don't think MJ started that. Infact it was Haddin was started by pointing bat towards Benn.

I am not talking about the incident

I am talking about initiating Physical contact which was clearly done by MJ

[Afridi_Fan]

I am not talking about the incident

I am talking about initiating Physical contact which was clearly done by MJ
Lol so what you suggest, MJ would have stopped running and let Benn collect the ball and run him out? MJ was totally right to run his line, Benn was totally right in going for the ball. Haddin acted in a stupid way by pointing the bat towards Benn. So if anyone deserved to be banned it had to be Haddin.

[ascher]

I think most of us are very conveniently ignoring the fact that mj only pushed suleman once he had the guts to reignite the whole altercation by going near them after the end of the over only to make that dramatic/ gangster kind of "gun" gesture!

I don't know about you guys but if some one had the guts to invade my space in the same manner just to horrify or scare me and that too in a decent sport called cricket, It wouldn't have taken long for me to realize that the guy can't be controlled by the umpires anymore(or else he wouldn't have had the balls to come so near to me in the first place) therefore now its up to me to react in the same way in order to defend my self! (as complaining about it to the umpires would be useless & he would keep bullying me the whole day!)

[Extreme Pace]

Na, MJ was pretty much ok on both accounts. First he was just trying to get to the other end and second time Benn approached him physically. The two culprits were Benn who got the right ban ( 2 ODIs ) and Haddin who got off lightly with a fine.

[Gabbar Singh]

Suleiman Benn was handed a 2 match ban and Johnson got a 10% fine when it was clear he was the one who initiated physical contact with Benn after the over and pushed him

This is really pathetic stuff
If I were Gayle, I would appeal and either get Benn's ban withdrawn or Johnson to get atleast equal the punishment

Pathetic stuff from Mike Proctor really
One of the most Biased people going around in the cricketing world

Agree but match ref was Chris Broad, not Proctor.

[*sallu*]

Lol so what you suggest, MJ would have stopped running and let Benn collect the ball and run him out? MJ was totally right to run his line, Benn was totally right in going for the ball. Haddin acted in a stupid way by pointing the bat towards Benn. So if anyone deserved to be banned it had to be Haddin.

No No
I am talking about after the over

Benn threatened to throw the ball and he thought that was the end of that and he turned around to take the cap

Haddin then foolishly walks towards him and prompts Benn to turn around.

Benn walks towards Haddin and MJ pushes him out of the way.

Who is the one who has initiated the actual physical contact?

[*sallu*]

Na, MJ was pretty much ok on both accounts. First he was just trying to get to the other end and second time Benn approached him physically. The two culprits were Benn who got the right ban ( 2 ODIs ) and Haddin who got off lightly with a fine.

Did Benn even touch Johnson or Haddin?
No

Who started it?
MJ pushed him out of the way

In my books, the one who starts the physical confrontation is the real culprit and in this case it was MJ

[Afridi_Fan]

No No
I am talking about after the over

Benn threatened to throw the ball and he thought that was the end of that and he turned around to take the cap

Haddin then foolishly walks towards him and prompts Benn to turn around.

Benn walks towards Haddin and MJ pushes him out of the way.

Who is the one who has initiated the actual physical contact?
Benn was the guilty one there by approaching the batsman.

[*sallu*]

Benn was the guilty one there by approaching the batsman.

Fine he made a mistake

Did I say don't ban him

But Johnson pushed him quite hard despite him not even touching the batsmen

Johnson should have been banned for that physical initiative

[*sallu*]

Benn was the guilty one there by approaching the batsman.

And btw Haddin approached him, he just threatened to throw the ball.

He actually turned around after that butt Haddin was the one who was cursing and walking towards him.

Not saying Benn is faultless but MJ and Haddin both deserved more than 10 and 25% fines

[Boi]

If anyone was going to be banned, it should of been Haddin. Bloody idiot started the whole thing....

[fawdu]

As I said you are just embarassing yourself with this effort. :)

Keep trying. You are still wrong.

Carry on with your delusion. And then if possible answer the questions I raised in post 157.

[fawdu]

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[Big Mac]

Johnson didn't do anything wrong on either occasion. If I'm talking to the other batsman at the end of the over and someone leans over from behind and starts sticking their arm over my shoulder right next to my face then I'm going to push his arm out of the way too.

[itduzz]

Johnson is Australian so no ban.

[Big Harvey]

Sky are reporting that Johnson and Haddin pleaded guilty and were therefore treated more leniently.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12123_5778753,00.html

[cric]

i think most Racist person in cricket is chris board.

[Xohaib]

Because chris broad is racist,And now it is confirmed.
Haddin started the whole thing and MJ started physical contact.
So who gets the ban is black man benn.

[cric]

i don't know why every body blaming MJ. whatever he did was natural reaction. look at this video
http://www.cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-2896-1412.html

[Zaz]

cos mj is australian

[mindless slogging]

Johnson is Australian so no ban.

:))) :))) Dude all your posts seem to be editted.




Fine he made a mistake

Did I say don't ban him

But Johnson pushed him quite hard despite him not even touching the batsmen

Johnson should have been banned for that physical initiative

Actually Benn came and pointed at Haddin, but MJ (accidently) came on the way and got pushed on the helmet. So he pushed Benn back. But all of this was a mistake (on the part of both players).

Actually none should've been banned. Absolute joke that Benn got banned.Heard W.I. submitted a report, so expect another 2 matches to be added.

[Fish]

http://cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-1019-43498.html

New footage Haddin trying to kick Benn.

[Zaz]

http://cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-1019-43498.html

New footage Haddin trying to kick Benn.


6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other

Benn kinda stuck a leg out and haddin flicked a kick, both idiots really

[Fish]

6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other

Benn kinda stuck a leg out and haddin flicked a kick, both idiots really

Haddin started it.

[Zaz]

Haddin started it.


not really, benn took a step into haddin

[fawdu]

http://cricketcrowd.com/Play_Video-23-1019-43498.html

New footage Haddin trying to kick Benn.

How is this footage related to the incidents in Perth?

[*sallu*]

Johnson didn't do anything wrong on either occasion. If I'm talking to the other batsman at the end of the over and someone leans over from behind and starts sticking their arm over my shoulder right next to my face then I'm going to push his arm out of the way too.

Physical initiation is not allowed in cricket among oppositions

And doing it purposely that too

I'm sorry, whatever you people say, Benn was the least to blame out of all 3.

Sure, he said a word or 2. Everybody does.

But haddin was the one who walked towards him, and more importantly Johnson was the one who actually pushed him.

[USaqaf]

Enough of this heres my suggestion.

Lets get more fiery Asians on the match referee panel not house slaves like Madugalle who salivate at the call of the white man but solid people and start penalizing the Australians by letter of the law.

For starters i think Srinath is a match referee maybe he can walk the walk now.