Pakistan teams without Afridi, Razzaq, Nazir, Rana etc are lifeless

[IM NOT YOU]

its amazing how pathetic our teams are without the "matchwinners" and superstars like afridi that can turn a game on its head.

i know this is test cricket, and im not saying the players listed in the title of the thread should be playing test cricket. however, that being said, this team without these players is just awful. the body language, the character, the performance - all of it.


we need to get rid of faisal iqbal, salman butt, misbah ul haq, abdur rauf [why is this guy rated over our ton of young fast bowlers?] , and i believe its time for even moyo to hang it up.


up to 5 out of the current test 11 dont belong in any format. im not talking about test matches here . im talking about international level cricket for pakistan period.


why cant we get some new players in here?? why cant fawad alam get a proper chance? will anwar ali ever make it out of the fire? will talha or riaz ever get another test match? will we ever replace this middle order that clearly cannot bat?


when will pcb step in and make changes ?

like seriously? salman butt? faisal iqbal? misbah ul haq? have we not seen enough of this ?

the scariest part of our team pathetic XI is that the batting ( or lackthereof ) is still to come..

[Oxy]

Those ODI / T20 players are going to save us v Australia?

They are either not good enough for test cricket - or dont want to play test cricket for Pak!!!

[IM NOT YOU]

Those ODI / T20 players are going to save us v Australia?

They are either not good enough for test cricket - or dont want to play test cricket for Pak!!!


yes, i stated that they are not test players.

you missed the point i was making though. this team has no heart. if you feel they do then so be it.

[Amir]

Those ODI / T20 players are going to save us v Australia?

They are either not good enough for test cricket - or dont want to play test cricket for Pak!!!

Gotta love Pak fans. Whenever we lose, it was the guys that were last dropped who are to save us. And when they fail, the previous guys are to make a return!

[IM NOT YOU]

Gotta love Pak fans. Whenever we lose, it was the guys that were last dropped who are to save us. And when they fail, the previous guys are to make a return!


gotta love Pak management.

when the same players play terrible for a year, they get selected again.

[cricjunkie]

Afridi, Razzaq, Nazir & Rana ?

Tell me you are joking! None of these guys are test match material.

First of all, you guys need to stop this obsession with boundary hitters. I dont know what happened to that "Asim Kamal" who played back in 2004 vs India. Unfortunately players like him dont get the attention they deserve. Why didnt Pakistan persist with him ?

Instead I see only pretenders who can hit a few sixes in the chaddi version repeatedly getting mentioned in different threads.

[Oxy]

yes, i stated that they are not test players.

.

Then whats the purpose of this thread during a test match...why list these so called matchwinners - when the ODI series hasnt yet begun?

[IM NOT YOU]

if anybody can justify the purpose of misbah ul haq , salman butt, faisal iqbal, abdur rauf in this team then step right up.

and if youre telling me that nobody in pakistan can bat better than these 3 and bowl better than rauf then you haven't been watching 'team pakistan'

[Oxy]

Malik in for Misbah...because thats how it works......

[cricjunkie]

What happened to this dude Asim Kamal ? Anyone ?

[IM NOT YOU]

Then whats the purpose of this thread during a test match...why list these so called matchwinners - when the ODI series hasnt yet begun?


the purpose of the thread, is to state, that this team (with the exception of 2-3 players) has no heart. for further info tune into your television set.

[Oxy]

if anybody can justify the purpose of misbah ul haq , salman butt, faisal iqbal, abdur rauf in this team then step right up.

and if youre telling me that nobody in pakistan can bat better than these 3 and bowl better than rauf then you haven't been watching 'team pakistan'


Just mocking the latest wrist slitting / knee jerk reaction to 2 sessions play.

"Bring back [insert player who was dropped last time] Threads" are all the rage tonight

[Oxy]

What happened to this dude Asim Kamal ? Anyone ?


Who knows, but I say bring him back!

[IM NOT YOU]

Just mocking the latest wrist slitting / knee jerk reaction to 2 sessions play.

"Bring back [insert player who was dropped last time] Threads" are all the rage tonight



i'll save you the trouble of watching this match.


australia will make around 450-500 and pakistan will be 250-300 all out and follow on to make another 200 and then australia wins.


highest run scorer umar/kamran akmal

most wickets asif/ajmal/aamir

imran farhat 35 runs salman butt 20 runs

misbah less than 10
moyo less than 25

umar/kamran around 50 -70 each.



i'll bump this for you after a day

[Oxy]

i'll save you the trouble of watching this match.


australia will make around 450-500 and pakistan will be 250-300 all out and follow on to make another 200 and then australia wins.


highest run scorer umar/kamran akmal

most wickets asif/ajmal/aamir

imran farhat 35 runs salman butt 20 runs

misbah less than 10
moyo less than 25

umar/kamran around 50 -70 each.



i'll bump this for you after a day

Just back your team rather then slit your wrists........

Or work on 'Bring back Wasim & Waqar' thread

My signature predicted the result 2 weeks before your reactionary threads so I wouldnt get ovrly smart about bumping up threads

[IM NOT YOU]

My signature predicted the result 2 weeks before your reactionary threads so I wouldnt get ovrly smart about bumping up threads


so you're perfectly fine with the XI you see out there then? you just feel its acceptable to get humiliated in test cricket over and over without anything being done about it?

theres no point in you slitting your wrist, theres no blood to flow out.

what a passionate man you are.

[Oxy]

so you're perfectly fine with the XI you see out there then? you just feel its acceptable to get humiliated in test cricket over and over without anything being done about it?

theres no point in you slitting your wrist, theres no blood to flow out.

what a passionate man you are.

1. I wasnt happy withe squad or captain
2. I knew the humiliation that was coming our way
3. I'm up at 4.15pm watching - some passion there perhaps?

Just not doing the usual knee jerk thing and wanting to drop 6 players and replace them rejects, has beens, players who dont want to play or those that were dropped 2 weeks ago...

[luvthegame]

What happened to this dude Asim Kamal ? Anyone ?


Asim Kamal is from karachi..he is not a Butt or Misbah...get it...

[Muddaser]

Asim Kamal is from karachi..he is not a Butt or Misbah...get it...

*******,

How about Faisal Iqbal?

[zaid65]

Asim Kamal is from karachi..he is not a Butt or Misbah...get it...


Mr. Get it, What about Faisal Ponting and Malcolm Sami?

[IM NOT YOU]

1. I wasnt happy withe squad or captain
2. I knew the humiliation that was coming our way
3. I'm up at 4.15pm watching - some passion there perhaps?

Just not doing the usual knee jerk thing and wanting to drop 6 players and replace them rejects, has beens, players who dont want to play or those that were dropped 2 weeks ago...




if it wasn't for the 'knee jerk' reactions forcing the complete overhaul of our t20 team during the t20 world cup, we would've finished dead last in that tournament.

sometimes when a team is so terrible, and it hurts to watch , then attention must be given again and again to the causes of the problems.

to you it make seem knee-jerk and extreme. but in reality, this test team needs a complete overhaul (mainly with regards to batting.)


misbah, butt, iqbal need to go. as long as these pathetic players are representing my country and the lowlives hiding behind tv sets are picking these division C level players then the bashing will continue, and rightly so.

[Ryankhan]

Thats what i said in NZ series aswell. we are lacking stars in test cricket. No Younis. No afridi. No razzak. No Akhtar. so thats huge blow for us. By having these cricketers in your side alone will do wonders for you becoz when ur opponent looks at your team then they fear you becoz of the dangerous players you have in your side. like afridi=razzak=younis. but now in this team i think if aussies are worried of someone that is Asif n AJmal n kaneria only thats it. in batting M>YOUSUF only. so we need to make a tough test side aswell. i dont think with the current team of ours we could beat AUS in AUS. i wish afridi comes in place of injured GUL. in the 2nd test.

[saadjhussain]

are you talking about test cricket or T20's?

[Sufi Malang]

MOst of the players you have mentioned in the OP are T20 or ODI players at best. THey are not TEst material so why you need them back in Tests?

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Bring back Rana. He is better than Faisal Iqbal or Misbah Ul Haq. He can make 20 odd runs and can take wickets! He is also a better fielder compared to them.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

well to be honest if misbah is not even making 20 runs, to hell with me if he is a test player. I would rather have someone who can make quick 25 runs and can take wickets rather than have someone who can only bat and score big only once in a year?

[salman24]

Butt
Farhat
Younis
Yousuf
Akmal Jr.
Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Akmal Sr.
Amir/ Akhtar/ Gul/ Sami
Asif
Kaneria

This would be my perfect test line up under present conditions. 2 spinners, 3 fast /medium pace bowlers and batting till no. 8. In ODI's and T20's Rana and Nazir come in. I wouldn't mind Rana and Nazir in tests either :). ALso I have put many options for a second seamer but a fully fit Akhtar wouldbe first choice.

[PB]

well to be honest if misbah is not even making 20 runs, to hell with me if he is a test player. I would rather have someone who can make quick 25 runs and can take wickets rather than have someone who can only bat and score big only once in a year?
Yeah, and use lesser balls to get those 25 runs.
:afridi .

Didn't Misbah get 7 of 63 balls? :)).

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Yeah, and use lesser balls to get those 25 runs.
:afridi .

Didn't Misbah get 7 of 63 balls? :)).

yeah exactly!

btw i am from Mississauga too :D

[Eagle Eyes]

Except for Afridi...who doesn't fit to the category of the Test matches. This guy wants to bring bunch of another tried and tested failures like we already dont have.

[Savak]

Match winners are important. They make a huge difference in the end. Its so sad that our selectors and to an extent some fans have become accustomed to the acceptance of mediocrity over quality.

[d0gers]

Match winners are important. They make a huge difference in the end. Its so sad that our selectors and to an extent some fans have become accustomed to the acceptance of mediocrity over quality.only problem is the guys named aren't matchwinners in the format we're playing at the moment. other than Afridi, maybe, but he doesn't want to play Tests.

[Savak]

only problem is the guys named aren't matchwinners in the format we're playing at the moment. other than Afridi, maybe, but he doesn't want to play Tests.

But i am sure we could have selected Wahab Riaz, Mohd Talha, Sohail Khan over the likes of Rauf and Sami atleast. Its just sad that the PCB selection committee, the captain and the coach by the selection choices they made have just shown that they had no real desire to win in the first place.

[Ryankhan]

are you talking about test cricket or T20's?

im talking about test matches

[saqlain]

It is simply amazing to read these posts. Someties I think we shouldnt even be playing cricket in the first place if the level of our expectations or analysis is this. We have absolutely no patience whats so ever. Australia put 300 runs and everyone is taking a swipe at the team. Half the people are so hypocrates (no offense) that on one day they praise the same players and than they want them to be out of the team in just matter of day. Once again, take it easy and watch the cricket. I hope you know that your insight or your analysis doesnt mean anything. Team management will see if there is a need to make changes. Please enjoy the game and dont think too much :)

[amarmak]

Gotta love Pak fans. Whenever we lose, it was the guys that were last dropped who are to save us. And when they fail, the previous guys are to make a return!


soo true

[Omar-45]

If the PCB had any sense, they would contact Imran Nazir and tell him to get on the next plane to Australia. Tell him he will be included in the 2nd test XI as opener, and tell him to go mental from ball one.

[Ryankhan]

guys i read in todays news paper that gul is seriously injured and hasnt been 100% fit so salu former selector of pakistan said pcb should immediately send gul back to pakistan and get another replacement maybe tanvir ahmed and said if kaneria is also injured and cant play so send him aswell and bring in afridi who is already in australia. so i think afridi and tanvir should come in

[sali]

True , The team is boring and impotent without Afridi and Shoib Akhtar. They bring excitement.

The selection is completely screwed up but I think we were done by fielding and loss of Kaneria+Gul in this match. Gul would have extracted much better pace and bounce from this wkt compared with Rauf. Even Sami would do better.

Here is the team we need if we want to win the game in Aus:


Butt
Taufeeq/Imran
YK
MoYo
Umer
Akmal
All rounder Razaq or Afridi
Ameer
Sami/Gul
Kaneria
Asif

[cricket_fever]

Yeah, and use lesser balls to get those 25 runs.
:afridi .

Didn't Misbah get 7 of 63 balls? :)).
atleast aafridi will score 10 runs off 10 balls
misbah that dada will score 10 off 100

[IM NOT YOU]

i'll save you the trouble of watching this match.


australia will make around 450-500 and pakistan will be 250-300 all out and follow on to make another 200 and then australia wins.


highest run scorer umar/kamran akmal

most wickets asif/ajmal/aamir

imran farhat 35 runs salman butt 20 runs

misbah less than 10
moyo less than 25

umar/kamran around 50 -70 each.



i'll bump this for you after a day




its just way too predictable.

australia 450 [X]

imran farhat and salman butt combined 55 runs [X]

moyo less than 25 [X]

pakistan 250-300 all out and following on [ PENDING ]

misbah less than 10 [ PENDING ]




so no, oxy, i wasn't 'wrist slitting' . its time to throw out these pathetic 'batsman' and get some youngsters in there. doesn't matter if we get humiliated a few times, slowly but surely we WILL find batsman. there are people in the country of pakistan that can bat. believe it or not.

[AZ]

he won't make us follow on

[saadjhussain]

he won't make us follow on
just like we thought he won't declare on 450 right?

[IM NOT YOU]

he won't make us follow on



despite what the commentators may or may not have said, yes he will.

its day 3 coming up already.. ponting wont risk losing the match by batting and making too few runs, or losing the match by batting too long to maek enough runs and then not being able to get pakistan all out.

these people are calculated.

theres no monkeys behind typewriters running the operation like pakistan lol

[IM NOT YOU]

we need" matchwinners/game changers"



NAZIR
KAMRAN AKMAL
UMAR AKMAL
FAWAD ALAM
SHEHRYAR GHANI
HAMMAD AZAM
AFRIDI
RAZZAQ/RANA
RAZA HASAN
AMIR
ASIF


combination of performing seniors/matchwinners with a combination of performing youngsters/potential matchwinners.

give youngsters at least a full series of ODIs and continue to bring in youngsters until we find umar akmal's and mohammad amir type of players.

this is the way forward. no salman butt, no shoaib malik, no mohammad yousuf, no misbah, no younus khan.

[Zaz]

razzaq, afridi, rana , and nazir

Ur having a laugh right?


Its takes more than a quick 20 or a couple of overs to do well in a test, these guys are better at short form when they have to close their eyes and swing

[IM NOT YOU]

razzaq, afridi, rana , and nazir

Ur having a laugh right?


Its takes more than a quick 20 or a couple of overs to do well in a test, these guys are better at short form when they have to close their eyes and swing




the funny thing is we make more in 20 overs than we do in 50.

[Zaz]

the funny thing is we make more in 20 overs than we do in 50.

Not by much, a score of 150-180 is acceptable now is it?


Yeah we may score more but thats cos u dont have 4 slips and 2 gullies in t20s

[Crucifier]

razzaq, afridi, rana , and nazir

Ur having a laugh right?


Its takes more than a quick 20 or a couple of overs to do well in a test, these guys are better at short form when they have to close their eyes and swing

Who do you suggest then? Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousaf, Salman Butt and Misbah? :)))

Give me a break. He's talking about ODI's and T20's. Forget tests. Pakistan are doomed for failure in that form.

[IM NOT YOU]

Not by much, a score of 150-180 is acceptable now is it?


Yeah we may score more but thats cos u dont have 4 slips and 2 gullies in t20s




its about fielding an XI that have heart. not people who play selfish.

at least when imran nazir makes his 25 off 17 or whatever , it leads the game towards a positive direction . when salman butt makes 32 off 57 it costs us momentum and sets a very negative tone.

its no secret that the majority of times when razzaq, nazir and afridi, and rana all play together we win.


when you combine some fiery hard hitters/ game changers with some solid youth like fawad alam or shehreyar ghani and add in umar akmal and some good bowlers you can have both aggression and stability. we need a combination of both

[Zaz]

Who do you suggest then? Younis Khan, Mohammad Yousaf, Salman Butt and Misbah? :)))

Give me a break. He's talking about ODI's and T20's. Forget tests. Pakistan are doomed for failure in that form.

They are all pretty much part of t20s and odis.....

Hes talking about tests

[Zaz]

its about fielding an XI that have heart. not people who play selfish.

at least when imran nazir makes his 25 off 17 or whatever , it leads the game towards a positive direction . when salman butt makes 32 off 57 it costs us momentum and sets a very negative tone.

its no secret that the majority of times when razzaq, nazir and afridi, and rana all play together we win.

Any stats to prove that or shall i take ur word??

[IM NOT YOU]

Any stats to prove that or shall i take ur word??


when imran nazir played in his first 3 games in the sri lanka ODI series we won them all


now no imran nazir = 4 losses.



also, t20 world cup, never lost a match with imran nazir/razzaq/afridi all on the same team.


do you remember back in teh days of afridi/nazir/razzaq sharjah cup games when we toppled south africa in 2000?


what about world cup 2007 when we were without razzaq afridi nazir, what happened?


i can go on and on if you really want me to put in the time to research these are just random notables.

[Zaz]

when imran nazir played in his first 3 games in the sri lanka ODI series we won them all


now no imran nazir = 4 losses.



also, t20 world cup, never lost a match with imran nazir/razzaq/afridi all on the same team.


Ur all over place, no one doubts razzaq, afridi and nazir should be part of t20 team

The problem is in longer version, where there performances are inadequates as the rest

I can give u series where yk, yousuf, butt have done well for pak does this justify them being in a team?

Uve got to look at a longer picture not just pick out random series

[IM NOT YOU]

VS AUSTRALIA THROUGH 4 ODI'S


Pakistan batting averages

Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s

Shahid Afridi 4 4 0 126 48 31.50 72 175.00 0 0 0 12 7
Umar Akmal 4 4 0 120 59 30.00 160 75.00 0 1 1 8 1
Salman Butt 4 4 0 108 72 27.00 139 77.69 0 1 1 17 0
Fawad Alam 2 2 0 54 33 27.00 104 51.92 0 0 0 1 0
Naved-ul-Hasan 4 4 1 68 33 22.66 62 109.67 0 0 1 5 3
Mohammad Yousuf 4 4 0 81 58 20.25 129 62.79 0 1 0 7 1
Kamran Akmal 4 4 0 68 34 17.00 92 73.91 0 0 0 7 1
Younis Khan 4 4 0 64 46 16.00 117 54.70 0 0 1 3 0
Shoaib Malik 2 2 0 30 28 15.00 57 52.63 0 0 0 2 0
Saeed Ajmal 4 4 1 20 8* 6.66 43 46.51 0 0 0 1 0
Iftikhar Anjum 1 1 0 5 5 5.00 24 20.83 0 0 0 0 0
Mohammad Aamer 2 2 0 4 4 2.00 10 40.00 0 0 1 0 0
Umar Gul 2 2 1 1 1* 1.00 9 11.11 0 0 1 0 0
Mohammad Asif 3 3 1 1 1 0.50 21 4.76 0 0 1 0 0




these players are the way forward. is it a coincidence that they are amongst the top in the aussie series?

rana naved is primarily a bowler for Gods sakes and yet hes avg more yousuf, younus, malik

[Zaz]

VS AUSTRALIA THROUGH 4 ODI'S


Pakistan batting averages

Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s

Shahid Afridi 4 4 0 126 48 31.50 72 175.00 0 0 0 12 7
Umar Akmal 4 4 0 120 59 30.00 160 75.00 0 1 1 8 1
Salman Butt 4 4 0 108 72 27.00 139 77.69 0 1 1 17 0
Fawad Alam 2 2 0 54 33 27.00 104 51.92 0 0 0 1 0
Naved-ul-Hasan 4 4 1 68 33 22.66 62 109.67 0 0 1 5 3
Mohammad Yousuf 4 4 0 81 58 20.25 129 62.79 0 1 0 7 1
Kamran Akmal 4 4 0 68 34 17.00 92 73.91 0 0 0 7 1
Younis Khan 4 4 0 64 46 16.00 117 54.70 0 0 1 3 0
Shoaib Malik 2 2 0 30 28 15.00 57 52.63 0 0 0 2 0
Saeed Ajmal 4 4 1 20 8* 6.66 43 46.51 0 0 0 1 0
Iftikhar Anjum 1 1 0 5 5 5.00 24 20.83 0 0 0 0 0
Mohammad Aamer 2 2 0 4 4 2.00 10 40.00 0 0 1 0 0
Umar Gul 2 2 1 1 1* 1.00 9 11.11 0 0 1 0 0
Mohammad Asif 3 3 1 1 1 0.50 21 4.76 0 0 1 0 0




these players are the way forward. is it a coincidence that they are amongst the top in the aussie series?

rana naved is primarily a bowler for Gods sakes and yet hes avg more yousuf, younus, malik


The best of a sorry bunch.......avges of 30s and 20s IS NOTHING TO BE JUMPING UP AND DOWN ABOUT

[Kray_jackson7]

The best of a sorry bunch.......avges of 30s and 20s IS NOTHING TO BE JUMPING UP AND DOWN ABOUT

look at the situations they walk into. some have to plug up a collapse others have to hit out at 8+ and over.

[mindless slogging]

look at the situations they walk into. some have to plug up a collapse others have to hit out at 8+ and over.

That makes it worse. Coming in when the match has already been lost and still not getting a decent average is contrary to what you are suggesting.

[mindless slogging]

we need" matchwinners/game changers"



NAZIR
KAMRAN AKMAL
UMAR AKMAL
FAWAD ALAM
SHEHRYAR GHANI
HAMMAD AZAM
AFRIDI
RAZZAQ/RANA
RAZA HASAN
AMIR
ASIF


combination of performing seniors/matchwinners with a combination of performing youngsters/potential matchwinners.

give youngsters at least a full series of ODIs and continue to bring in youngsters until we find umar akmal's and mohammad amir type of players.

this is the way forward. no salman butt, no shoaib malik, no mohammad yousuf, no misbah, no younus khan.

So you've selected Raza Hasan performing consistently in one tournament over Saeed Ajmal who's performed most the year?

And I'm surprised you didn't add Nasir Jamshed, or Ahmad Shahzad or even :shahzaib .

Btw, when you say 'match-winners', you do know doing it vs Australia is a completely different prospect than in a domestic format? This team will get trounced aswell, as will most combinations and sides we will put out.

People need to realise we are not a good side. And what we need first of all is to realise that 'fact', cos then we will get the radical changes of a complete overhaul of our cricket that is required.

Also, even if we go by your idea, a complete ODI series is not enough.

[Black Zero]

Pak can still win against lesser teams as usual and will lose to better teams again as usual.

I guess thats the 4th 3-0 in 15-20 years.

[Kray_jackson7]

That makes it worse. Coming in when the match has already been lost and still not getting a decent average is contrary to what you are suggesting.

no worse is getting blamed when you try getting the 8 an over by going for the shots and are critisizesd. if they stayed in playing tik tik and went for average then they would gte torn into on PP for playing for average.

Lose-lose for some people

[Eagle Eyes]

Rana shouldn't be in ODI squad.