USA - Al Qaeda Seeks to Trigger India-Pakistan War

[Gabbar Singh]

Do the American's know something we don't?

I guess a war between these two would make a lot of nations very rich (America, Russia, Britain) through arm sales.

Or maybe I'm just being a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist and this report is a load of crap.

Time shall tell.



NEW DELHI-—U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said al Qaeda was working with an array of local militant groups to destabilize South Asia and trigger a war between India and Pakistan, an indication of the growing U.S. fears about new terror attacks throughout the volatile region.

Mr. Gates said al Qaeda had formed alliances with the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban as well as with Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistani-based group that carried out the bloody attacks in Mumbai in 2008 that left more than 160 dead.

The American defense chief, who's in the middle of a multiday visit to India, said that the al Qaeda-led "syndicate" was trying "to destabilize not just Afghanistan, not just Pakistan, but potentially the whole region."

The warning cast a pall over a trip designed, in part, to spur new American military sales to India, which plans to spend tens of billions of dollars on new weapons and airplanes in coming years.

Speaking to reporters here, Mr. Gates said the Islamist groups were focusing particular attention on India and Pakistan, regional rivals who have fought three major wars since 1947. He said that Pakistani-based militants were trying to carry out strikes within India in the hope of provoking an Indian counterattack that could escalate into a new conflict between the two nations.

Mr. Gates said the groups also posed an "existential" threat to Pakistan and warned that India's government - which refrained from reprisal attacks on Pakistan after the Mumbai assault - wasn't likely to act with similar restraint if new attacks occurred on its territory.

"I think it's not unreasonable to assume that Indian patience would be limited were there to be further attacks," he said.

The three-day trip here was designed to bolster Washington's ties to New Delhi, a close U.S. ally which is rapidly emerging as one of the biggest purchasers of American-made weapons, airplanes and military vehicles in the world.

In an editorial published in the Times of India on Tuesday, Mr. Gates said India and U.S. had made "significant strides in developing a stable defense trade."

On Wednesday, Mr. Gates encouraged India's government to sign a series of technical agreements that would clear the way for India to purchase high-tech American-made encryption, navigation and targeting systems. The agreements, which have been under discussion for months, face significant Indian opposition.

Beyond the commercial dealings, Mr. Gates's meetings with senior Indian officials like Prime Minister Manmohan Singh focused heavily on the threat posed by al Qaeda and its regional allies.

Mr. Gates said Wednesday that Pakistani-based militants might try to provoke a new war "through some provocative act" within India.

In the wake of the Mumbai attacks in November 2008, New Delhi pursued a forceful international diplomatic effort to force Pakistan to take responsibility for the fact that the terrorists emanated from there.

With United Nations and U.S. pressure, Pakistan agreed to pursue the Lashkar-e-Taiba militants responsible for the attack and to clamp down on the organization's charitable wing. Pakistan also brought charges against several of suspects suspected of helping plan the attack.

Indian officials take pride in the fact that their response was handled entirely through diplomatic channels and Mr. Gates praised them this week for behaving with "great statesmanship."

But the Indian government has also repeatedly called on Pakistan to do more to curtail terrorists dedicated to attacking India and officials have cautioned that if there is another attack on India emanating from Pakistan, the response would likely go further than mere diplomacy.

If new major attacks take place in India, it is widely expected here that India would respond with what it considers to be military restraint -- such as targeted missile strikes against terrorist camps on the Pakistani side of Kashmir.

That scenario presents American officials in the region with a huge challenge -- how to create enough political breathing space to prevent a subsequent escalation that could lead to outright war between the two sides. It is an effort that U.S. officials in the region view as central to their mission of helping maintain and improve relations between the two neighbors.

On Wednesday, Mr. Gates encouraged India and Pakistan to work together against the militants imperiling both of their countries. He also urged the two governments to avoid blaming each other for any new violence. Responding to a question, Mr. Gates said it would be wrong to "single out" any one country for the growing militant threat.

"It's very dangerous for the region as a whole," he said.

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[saj001]

All bs , there wont be any pak-indo war.

[Keith]

the USA were right about the hordes of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They also predicted the 911 attacks so they must be right then .........

[Gonzo]

The more soldiers Pakistan has on the Indian border the less it has dealing with the Taliban in Swat. This is why Al Qaeda do attacks like the Mumbai attack, to provoke a response from India that would distract Pakistan.

[insaftak]

The more soldiers Pakistan has on the Indian border the less it has dealing with the Taliban in Swat. This is why Al Qaeda do attacks like the Mumbai attack, to provoke a response from India that would distract Pakistan.

I don't think you know anything about pakistan or have been sleeping for last 6 months, our real issue is the movement of militants from one place to another, pakistani army has been chasing them from one agency to another, when they start operation in one area the militants move to the other area. swat has long been cleared by army just like Bajaur and Mohmand were cleared at one time. as long as america is in afghanistan, no one should expect a stable pakistan.

[Gonzo]

I don't think you know anything about pakistan or have been sleeping for last 6 months, our real issue is the movement of militants from one place to another, pakistani army has been chasing them from one agency to another, when they start operation in one area the militants move to the other area. swat has long been cleared by army just like Bajaur and Mohmand were cleared at one time. as long as america is in afghanistan, no one should expect a stable pakistan.

How does that contradict anything I said? I said Al Qaeda want a war, not Pakistan.

[chacha kashmiri]

al qaeda benefited from colonialism as well as from the 1971 war.

[Zechariah]

Of course AL-CIA-DUH will trigger it. There are profits to be made.

Gear up for some false flag attacks soon..

[Zaina_27]

Ahhh what a load of poo.

India are too chicken, they may not make it look like it, but they are. And America are the ones who seek to trigger an Indo-Pak war. They buy people, and call them the Al-Qaeda, they pay them to do all this crap.

America will collapse one day... one day InshAllah.

[Random Aussie]

Ahhh what a load of poo.

India are too chicken, they may not make it look like it, but they are. And America are the ones who seek to trigger an Indo-Pak war. They buy people, and call them the Al-Qaeda, they pay them to do all this crap.

America will collapse one day... one day InshAllah.

I look forward to you getting your keyboard hero butt out of comfortable Western world and back to Pakistan then. America collapsing would have all sorts of unfortunate consequences for you in England.

[saadjhussain]

al qaeda? india's very own army chief's trying to trigger war.

[Hail-Akram]

I look forward to you getting your keyboard hero butt out of comfortable Western world and back to Pakistan then. America collapsing would have all sorts of unfortunate consequences for you in England.
There are reasons Americans and British can't trust certain groups. They will enjoy all western comforts but spread hatred against the same countries that are feeding them.

[Hail-Akram]

al qaeda? india's very own army chief's trying to trigger war.
Oh, the Osama's secret identity revealed !! And poor Americans are still looking for him in Pakistan.
And you know what's interesting? America has even hired the Pak army to kill their own countrymen in this "search operation". I think the price was published in media too and iit wasn't too much ! Indian franchise pay a lot more for IPL entertainment show...

[Zaina_27]

I look forward to you getting your keyboard hero butt out of comfortable Western world and back to Pakistan then. America collapsing would have all sorts of unfortunate consequences for you in England.

I WANT to move away from England anyway, I don't like living here. I never have, even though I was born and brought up here. I don't find it comfortable here in the West... so I will get out of here one day InshAllah.

[chacha kashmiri]

America will collapse one day... one day InshAllah.

iA, everyone reaps what they sow.

[sohaib17]

I WANT to move away from England anyway, I don't like living here. I never have, even though I was born and brought up here. I don't find it comfortable here in the West... so I will get out of here one day InshAllah.
i just hate hypocrites like you ...

born in eng, got everything you could possibly can .. lived a very gud life and bash the country you live in which provided everything to you ....

get the hell out of here and go live in Pak .. then you ll see the difference


atleast show some respect to the country you live in .... :po:


this is what pississ me off .... i hear this everywhere at every get together .. relatives talks about every negative thing this country have and yet they live here and havn't visited Pak for years

If You love your country go live there , why waste your time here consuming their resources and bashing them ....

Atleast i love Pak and Canada equally ... be equal

[hussain_0216]

What respect do the Gorea give to Aboriginal Australia apart from stealing there land and enforcing there own rules and laws. A genocide was committed against the aborigines.

Same thing in South Africa, Apartheid for hundreds of years what respect was shown for the native culture by the so called colonial immigrants.

Same goes for Canada, USA, NZ.


The British screwed over the subcontinent for 200 years, they abused and belittled the local cultures and beleifs, they didnt respect, they didnt attempt to fit in.



Now the same people get all high and mighty and demand that immigrants in there lands fit in a respect there culture in a way like they never did in australia, NZ, SA or NA.

[moumotta]

i just hate hypocrites like you ...

born in eng, got everything you could possibly can .. lived a very gud life and bash the country you live in which provided everything to you ....

get the hell out of here and go live in Pak .. then you ll see the difference


atleast show some respect to the country you live in .... :po:


this is what pississ me off .... i hear this everywhere at every get together .. relatives talks about every negative thing this country have and yet they live here and havn't visited Pak for years

If You love your country go live there , why waste your time here consuming their resources and bashing them ....

Atleast i love Pak and Canada equally ... be equal

The right description for these people is Namakharam.

[sohaib17]

What respect do the Gorea give to Aboriginal Australia apart from stealing there land and enforcing there own rules and laws. A genocide was committed against the aborigines.

Same thing in South Africa, Apartheid for hundreds of years what respect was shown for the native culture by the so called colonial immigrants.

Same goes for Canada, USA, NZ.


The British screwed over the subcontinent for 200 years, they abused and belittled the local cultures and beleifs, they didnt respect, they didnt attempt to fit in.



Now the same people get all high and mighty and demand that immigrants in there lands fit in a respect there culture in a way like they never did in australia, NZ, SA or NA.
your point is totally off topic

its not about who did what and what we should do

its about where you live and its resources you use

if we were that badly tortured why did you guys migrated to "****" land .. why did your parent moved from Pakistan ..lol

and as far as aboriginal goes yeah they are mistreated but the British or the immigrants don't say ohh this is not our land and all kind of stupid stuff... they believe its their motherland and they luv it

thats my point and so does the aboriginal ppls... they love their land and thank god for it

its not like the canadians say ohh i hate this country and yet live here .. they are patriotic about their maple leaf flag and so m i cuz this is my country .. this has given me everything and yes i don't feel ashamed to be called a pakistani cuz thats my origin ... if i was in pakistan that would be my motherland

get it ????

[Random Aussie]

Now the same people get all high and mighty and demand that immigrants in there lands fit in a respect there culture in a way like they never did in australia, NZ, SA or NA.

Ahem. Main difference might well be that immigrants are invited or allowed into a country where the history you refer to was a case of people invading and taking over a land.

Doubt you understand the difference, understanding anything is probably haram to whatever wierd medieval beliefs you have.

[Garuda]

i just hate hypocrites like you ...

born in eng, got everything you could possibly can .. lived a very gud life and bash the country you live in which provided everything to you ....

get the hell out of here and go live in Pak .. then you ll see the difference


atleast show some respect to the country you live in .... :po:


this is what pississ me off .... i hear this everywhere at every get together .. relatives talks about every negative thing this country have and yet they live here and havn't visited Pak for years

If You love your country go live there , why waste your time here consuming their resources and bashing them ....

Atleast i love Pak and Canada equally ... be equal


:14: :14: :14: :14: bravo.

I lived in west for 5-6 years and then decided to return back. But that was my personal decision as I felt better living in my own country. I still thankful to people with whom I worked there and they are still good.

[Amir]

The IPL debacle is now starting to make a lot more sense.

Was the US behind it? Discuss.

[Garuda]

The IPL debacle is now starting to make a lot more sense.

Was the US behind it? Discuss.


No, is ISI closed?

[rahulrulezz]

What respect do the Gorea give to Aboriginal Australia apart from stealing there land and enforcing there own rules and laws. A genocide was committed against the aborigines.

Same thing in South Africa, Apartheid for hundreds of years what respect was shown for the native culture by the so called colonial immigrants.

Same goes for Canada, USA, NZ.


The British screwed over the subcontinent for 200 years, they abused and belittled the local cultures and beleifs, they didnt respect, they didnt attempt to fit in.



Now the same people get all high and mighty and demand that immigrants in there lands fit in a respect there culture in a way like they never did in australia, NZ, SA or NA.


You seriously are an extreme exteremist.. i am actuallly scared that a guy like you is living in England..

[sohaib17]

:14: :14: :14: :14: bravo.

I lived in west for 5-6 years and then decided to return back. But that was my personal decision as I felt better living in my own country. I still thankful to people with whom I worked there and they are still good.
look i am totally fine with that

but the guy who posted i hate this country blah blah and also mentioned that he was born in ENG but wanted to go back ..

lol my blood boils when ppl say emotional things but nver actually do anything

i m pretty sure he ll be living in ENG for rest of his life ...


BTW loving a western country does not make u a sinner n that you will go to hell for loving the land and ppl ...

[sohaib17]

I WANT to move away from England anyway, I don't like living here. I never have, even though I was born and brought up here. I don't find it comfortable here in the West... so I will get out of here one day InshAllah.
and when will be that ????

probably nver ...... i m assuming u r 27 yrs old .. old enough to be self dependent than whats wronf wht r u still doing there ???

why not just leave everything now and get outta there ASAP

ppl like you create bad images of pakistani in western countries .. should be ashamed

[hussain_0216]

your point is totally off topic

its not about who did what and what we should do

its about where you live and its resources you use

if????


What are you a confused lackey or something, of course they love the land, they have stolen it and enforced there own culture upon it.

Did they respect the local culture?

Did they come to these lands and integrate?

Did they learn the local languages?

NO they ABUSED, STOLE AND TOOK OVER,,,, They love these lands because they live by there own rules nor the rules of the native population who are now strangers in there own countries....


When you go to Australia by all means respect the NATIVE aboriginal culture,

When you go to North America by all means respect the NATIVE American culture


The UK abused the indian subcontinent for 200 years, no respect, for culture, religion etc etc BUT NOW IMMIGRANTS ARE EXPECTED to become some sort of uniform lackeys losing all idea of who they are, what they beleive and conform to the native customs and beleifs or GO BACK.



THE British SCREWED US FOR 200 YEARS, asian communities here have largely fitted in and paid taxes for the last 50 years and still the brits are whining like little bit**s



YES- Respect the local culture, not because of lackeys like you or what the brits, aussies or canadians say BUT because you should to an extent but dont go over board


And dont listen to Indians/Hindu's on this subject, when the muslims conquered them they became our lackeys

When the British conquered them they became the white mans lackeys

These people are never more happy when they have a boot on there head...

[moumotta]

And dont listen to Indians/Hindu's on this subject, when the muslims conquered them they became our lackeys


Wonder who those Indians/hindus were that became your lackeys. Could some of them be your own rajput ancestors.

[Hail-Akram]

Ahem. Main difference might well be that immigrants are invited or allowed into a country where the history you refer to was a case of people invading and taking over a land.

Doubt you understand the difference, understanding anything is probably haram to whatever wierd medieval beliefs you have.

Bold part QOTW :))) :))) :)))

[Garuda]

Wonder who those Indians/hindus were that became your lackeys. Could some of them be your own rajput ancestors.



Also, one thing I don't understand is "what is this we ruled this many years or that many years"

There were only few emperors. Are all muslims his children and after?

There were muslims in those era who were also mochis, kasais and cleaners too and their generation is also going forward.

Even Hindus/Sikhs have ruled in this country.

[tdigi]

i just hate hypocrites like you ...

born in eng, got everything you could possibly can .. lived a very gud life and bash the country you live in which provided everything to you ....

get the hell out of here and go live in Pak .. then you ll see the difference


atleast show some respect to the country you live in .... :po:


this is what pississ me off .... i hear this everywhere at every get together .. relatives talks about every negative thing this country have and yet they live here and havn't visited Pak for years

If You love your country go live there , why waste your time here consuming their resources and bashing them ....

Atleast i love Pak and Canada equally ... be equal
Well said bro! I agree.http://smiliesftw.com/x/bowdown.gif

[pal]

And dont listen to Indians/Hindu's on this subject, when the muslims conquered them they became our lackeys

When the British conquered them they became the white mans lackeys

These people are never more happy when they have a boot on there head...

Oh, is that so? You would think that the real 'lackeys' were those who converted to the religion of and adopted the customs of the oppressors. But, of course, that probably doesn't apply to you, since you are all pure descendants of Arabs with no Indian blood.

[Hail-Akram]

Oh, is that so? You would think that the real 'lackeys' were those who converted to the religion of and adopted the customs of the oppressors. But, of course, that probably doesn't apply to you, since you are all pure descendants of Arabs with no Indian blood.
pal, let me explain you one thing about conversion:

When a person converts from your religion to other: He is a sinner and will rot in hell !

When a person converts from other religion to yours OR when you convert yourself to another religion, it's called: Answering the Devine call or Self-realisation.

Based on this theory you can expect a response OR an alternative denial response.

[hussain_0216]

Oh, is that so? You would think that the real 'lackeys' were those who converted to the religion of and adopted the customs of the oppressors. But, of course, that probably doesn't apply to you, since you are all pure descendants of Arabs with no Indian blood.


Let me tell you something monkey boy, the best thing that could possible happen to our ancestors was converting to islam, stepping onto the path of salvation, denouncing and rejecting pagan beleifs. Even the idea that a portion of my blood matches yours disgusts me..


There is a big difference between integration and assimilation, by all means immigrants and people should integrate, learn the language, customs etc the benefits are for both the host nation and the immigrant.

But what is being demanded by people in countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, countries built upon the enslavement and genocide of native populations is ASSIMILATION they are demanding that apart from cosmetic adherence to your own culture and beleifs at home you should be exactly like them & if you dont your told to leave.

[chacha kashmiri]

Main difference might well be that immigrants are invited or allowed into a country where the history you refer to was a case of people invading and taking over a land.

Maybe you might be able do adopt abit more sympathy towards the afghanis with this approach


i just hate hypocrites like you ...

born in eng, got everything you could possibly can .. lived a very gud life and bash the country you live in which provided everything to you ....

Surely living in the uk means you have right to criticise the state just as much as anyone else who might have issues with immigration, the nhs or the royal mail. I would have thought that was part of living in a 'democracy',

[moumotta]

Let me tell you something monkey boy, the best thing that could possible happen to our ancestors was converting to islam, stepping onto the path of salvation, denouncing and rejecting pagan beleifs. Even the idea that a portion of my blood matches yours disgusts me..


Nice emotional outbursts. The disgust is mutual that one of us could become a dehumaised funddoo.

Back to the point, do you think that your ancestors became lackeys of their conquerors.