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sayf
29th January 2010, 16:18
Why aren't we winning against Australia?
Simple.
Just look at the current group of players and add up their averages against Australia:

Salman Butt Average: 23 Strike rate 64
Kamran Akmal Average: 25 Strike rate 78
Younis Khan Average: 15 Strike Rate 58
Mo Yusuf Average: 38 Strike Rate 71
Umar Akmal Average: 31 Strike Rate 73
Fawad Alam Average: 27 Strike Rate 52
Shahid Afridi Average: 20 Strike Rate 120
Rana Naved Average: 22 Strike Rate 88
Iftikhar Anjum Average: 31 Strike Rate 41 *
Saed Ajmal Average: 4 Strike Rate 41
Mo Asif Average: 0.5 Strike Rate 5


This gives an average score of 237. Considering that Anjum's average is inflated to 31 due to not outs (since his total runs against them is 31),
I would say that the average score is closer to between 205 and 210.

This is on AVERAGE. And of the top batsmen, no one scores with a strike
rate above 80. Younis Khan's average and strike rate are so terrible,
it makes me physically ill. Yet he continues to get selected.

Compare to the Aussie averages:

Marsh Average 33
Haddin Average 26
Ponting Average 37
Clark Average 48
Hussey Average 61
White Average 48
Hopes Average 32
Hauritz Average 82
Harris Average 4
Mc Kay No average
Siddle No Average

So the AVERAGE score of just the first 9 Aussie batsmen is 371.
Now, ofcourse, this is inflated due to Hauritz's high average owing to a
not out. If you reduce his average to his career average, the Australian's
still average above 300. And this list does not include Watson, who has
an excellent average against Pakistan.

What this proves is, that when Australia bat first, they usually score in the above 275 at the very least...if everyone has an average game.
And if they bat second, they usually overhaul Pakistan's score with a lot of wickets in hand since their last two batsmen have never been bowled out by Pakistan!

So the next time we go into a game hoping that it will be different and that a few selection changes could make a difference....let's just be realistic. With the current crop of batsman, regardless of how well the bowlers may bowl, we will almost always lose.

The solution is to persist only with players who have shown some fight against Australia in the past...Yusuf, Akmal, Afridi are the only ones with
semi-effective stats. The rest need to go.

Crucifier
29th January 2010, 16:36
The reason why we're losing is because there's no intent from the Pakistani batsman. Butt, Akmal, YK and Moyo (and Fawad Alam for that matter) are all playing for themselves right now. They're defending everything and just looking to stay at the wicket and totally disregarding the ever increasing run rate.

When you're in the ultra blocking mode mind frame, even half volleys and full tosses tend to end up as dot balls and it's only a matter of time before you get out. The lower oder is then smacked in the face with an 8+ RRR for a duration over 25 overs and the game is pretty much lost here.

Kray_jackson7
29th January 2010, 16:39
Sorry crucifier but dont include fawad with the other miserable excuse for players. It is unfair because 2 matchs he has come in and had to plug up a collapse. yes he went slow but it was what was needed at the time. maybe they went too slow for too long but he is inexperienced and inshallah will learn with time

Crucifier
29th January 2010, 16:42
Sorry crucifier but dont include fawad with the other miserable excuse for players. It is unfair because 2 matchs he has come in and had to plug up a collapse. yes he went slow but it was what was needed at the time. maybe they went too slow for too long but he is inexperienced and inshallah will learn with time

I know the poor lad is trying to make a name for himself because he's hardly ever given a chance but you can't simply ignore the fact he's played 2 odi's at snails pace. Any jack the lad can score at a run a ball especially on such beautiful batting pitches this ODI series have provided.

So what I'm saying is, even if there's a collapse, Fawad and the other batsman should look to score around a SR of 100 (especially when chasing a huge total). This doesn't mean you have to score boundaries because it can be done with singles and doubles.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=81270&highlight=fawad+alam

That thread will also explain my reasons. This isn't his first offence. :afridi

Kray_jackson7
29th January 2010, 17:06
I will post judgement when he bats in normal circumstances. The reason afridi can deflect alot of criticism is because of his batting position and situations and same should be applied to fawad, let him play more and we can make clear judgement then for now he is on the fence for me

Saj
29th January 2010, 17:11
The bottom line is that they are better cricketers than us.

Also they are better prepared for test cricket, they are fitter, they are mentally tougher and they play according to a gameplan.

its.raja
29th January 2010, 17:14
The bottom line is that they are better cricketers than us.

Also they are better prepared for test cricket, they are fitter, they are mentally tougher and they play according to a gameplan.
I wonder what they eat to get fit :-?

Savak
29th January 2010, 17:29
The bottom line is that they are better cricketers than us.

Also they are better prepared for test cricket, they are fitter, they are mentally tougher and they play according to a gameplan.

We have the same skills as them, same abilities as them. But as far as application, work ethic, desire to win, basic cricketing knowledge, intelligence amongst senior, experienced players is concerned, thats the biggest difference.

Mujtaba_Saeed
29th January 2010, 17:55
Hauritz Average 82 :inti :moyo :pissed:

z2_daredevil
29th January 2010, 18:12
hmmm as excited as i was b4 the aussie tour i just cant wait for it to get over :(

Stewie
29th January 2010, 18:15
I wonder what they eat to get fit :-?

Its what they dont eat.. Nan, paye, biryani, haleem, karahi gosht, charghey, tikkey, kabab, parathey, etc