why do you all like taufeeq?

[adi 101]

i personally think the guy is rubbish with no future but whenever i say that you people dont seem to agree but i would like to hear why you all think pakistan should keep someone like taufeeq?

[Officer Barbrady]

Because we think he is not rubbish?

[Abdul Qadir 236]

1. Proven track record in tests.

2. likes to play straight.

3. not flashy like Farhat and Hameed and so the ideal foil for Salman.

[adi 101]

can you remind me what his average in one day internationals?

[Officer Barbrady]

Adi we are talking test cricket here?

[Fawad]

adi 101, he has a Test Average of 42. :|v

[Muddaser]

Can you remind me what his average is in tests?

[adi 101]

what was the last test that he scored a hundred?

[Muddaser]

Taufeeq and Salman will make a good opening partnership cause of their contrasting styles.

[Officer Barbrady]

In 2003, against South Africa.

[adi 101]

taufeeq and hameed i think hameed shows more ptential i no you are all gonna sey were on bout tests but in odis umar has a average less then 25 and a strike rate less then 60 i think vaughan has a better odi record then that

[Abdul Qadir 236]

well said Muddaser, u need a combination at the top. It is also lucky that these are the 2 best individual openers I think. TAufeeq has flaws yes like shuffling too much but what young batsman does not? adi, you seem to put too much importance on odis, maybe I myself place too little but test cricket is the real indication of how good someone is. TAufeeq has not played a lot of odis but he is such as good player I see no reason why he cant score runs in odis too given a fair proper chance and not shunned in favour of the likes of Hafeez.

[adi 101]

u have a point but for me his profile says it all on cricinfo
taufeeq umar
major teams:Habib Bank Limited, Lahore, Pakistan Reserves.

[Officer Barbrady]

taufeeq and hameed i think hameed shows more ptential i no you are all gonna sey were on bout tests but in odis umar has a average less then 25 and a strike rate less then 60 i think vaughan has a better odi record then that

Well we don't want Taufeeq for ODI's! The discussion is on test cricket and Vaughan is a fine test batsman.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

I want him for odis! Anyway thats another debate which I touched on earlier. For tests no question he is your man.

[Fawad]

How is he against spin-bowling? Has he faced any real quality spinners i.e Kumble. (Do not say Boje :-D )

[Officer Barbrady]

u have a point but for me his profile says it all on cricinfo
taufeeq umar
major teams:Habib Bank Limited, Lahore, Pakistan Reserves.

What does his profile tell you?

[Muddaser]

Hameed has more potential?

The guy has poor temperament!

The coach cant make him grow a brain.

Much easier to work with a guy with a shuffling problem than one with no temperament.

Bring in Hasan Raza and we have a decent top 6.

I rate batsmen who put a price on their wicket!

[Abdul Qadir 236]

adi, did u see the 22 tests he has played? He would have faced some of Kumble last year I think.

[Officer Barbrady]

Hameed has more potential?

The guy has poor temperament!

The coach cant make him grow a brain.

Much easier to work with a guy with a shuffling problem than one with no temperament.

Bring in Hasan Raza and we have a decent top 6.

I rate batsmen who put a price on their wicket!

Good points.

[Geordie Ahmed]

u have a point but for me his profile says it all on cricinfo
taufeeq umar
major teams:Habib Bank Limited, Lahore, Pakistan Reserves.

What does his profile tell you?

its the reserves bit that he is referring to!


Back to the original point, i think Taufeeq Umar should be opening with Salman. he did have a poor series against India but he is being punished for that one bad series, even the world class players have a poor run of form! I hope he does open with Salman, i would rather he over Farhat

[Sheikh_Ji]

The best thing about Taufeeq is that he has a great temperment. He has the ability to stay out there and play out the WHOLE day. He won't throw away his wicket in a rush of blood. That's why I rate him very highly as a test player

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Well said GA. Superb point. He is proven in test cricket. As YK was. One series does not make you a bad player, especially when you are proven. Be you Brian Lara, Sachin Tendulkar or Younis Khan.

Or Taufeeq Umar!

[adi 101]

yes geordie is right i was refering to the reserves and the spin bowling thing i do think hes faced warne but normally he has not been good enough to survive till the spinners come on to bowl

[Abdul Qadir 236]

13 50s in 22 tests!

[Geordie Ahmed]

adi the guy can only play against those who he plays with, and his record bar the India series is superb! he was dropped far too quickly and especially considering there was no genuined alternative!

[adi 101]

i just cant wait till pakistan play india i probably feel the pakistan selectors will give tafeeq a go which ofcourse is a mistake an obviously he is not going to perform none of you will be shouting bout him then

[Geordie Ahmed]

adi how on earth is it obvious he is not going to perform????

[safehands46]

your acting as if taufeeq is the only person sacked after one series. quite sad. I mean yasir hammeed when he started out was quite compact. he got 1000 runs iun ayear. but that means nothing. I mean there are hundred players who have been victimized but the point we have to put the best team on the field.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

which includes Taufeeq Umar.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

what the hell? there were many who got after the guy after his performance in India - would love to name em all - coz this guy WILL prove u wrong - he is such a good player. HE CAN MAKE IT ODI - easily - nonesense that he is a test only player - let him settle.
Things to watch with the guy - when he is at his best - he knows where his stumps are instinctively - leaves the ball well, his footwork is nice and simple - but moves his feet well. Also has a very good temparament.

Muddy - hasan shouldnt be picked yet - het him in the pak a team - possible skipper it - ease him in gently - dont want to throw him in - at 6 asim is fine and we have malik as back up there. Prolems are slightly further up - canst see raza batting above 5.

I have backed this guy 100% and will never stop - he has the talent, let him play - is best opener in pakistan - even better than salman butt who has received a lot of applaudits and rightly so.

Hameed - has probs with concentration - stint over here in england would help. I know he turned down kent last year which was foolish.

[adi 101]

lol its me vs you all k den after the first test if taufeeq manages to score over 65 runs adding both inings together i will open a thread call i am stupid where i will promise never to victimise taufeeq again and if he dosnt you all will ask for forgivnes hahahah

[Abdul Qadir 236]

could not agree more.

[Geordie Ahmed]

adi why not look at the whole series?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

what? so lets just look at two innings and make or break a guy that way? OH YES THATS THE BEST WAY ofcourse - cmmon dude - the guy has talent - shown it against likes of south africa and oz - which isnt easy. He doesnt have a shuffling problem when on form - he moves his feet nice and smoothly then - only shuffles when trying too hard - tries to go after the ball - goes searching for it.

ps - am sorry but am a bit of a sarcastic mood today!

[adi 101]

k den how many runs then you all think hes gona get in the all test series even if he does not play becuase hes bound to get droped after how badly he is going to perfrom in the 1st test it still counts so how many runs you all predictin in 6 innings if he plays that many?

[Officer Barbrady]

yes geordie is right i was refering to the reserves and the spin bowling thing i do think hes faced warne but normally he has not been good enough to survive till the spinners come on to bowl

crap he has a better record than the rest of the openers as it is.

He has faced Warne. Any how, you are entitled to your opinion I am not going to discuss this further.

[adi 101]

no come on tell me how many runs u think he is going to edge in the 6 inings if he plays that many if he gets that many i will beg for forgivness from you all if he dosnt then its the opisite way

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

well let me put it this way - if the guy is given an EXTENDED run in side - series against india,WI and eng - THEN U WILL SEE THE TRUE TAUFEEQ - he deserves a chance - that confidence level is crucial for the guy - on form he is a world class player - and that isnt over hyping etc - has great talent - can attack as well as defend

[adi 101]

i agree with you there waqars inswinging fulltoss yorker whatever but thing is players these days have to perform from the word go even if we play rana as opener for that long he will be a decent opener

[Bailan]

well, the reason i like Taufeeq is quite simple, off Farhat, Nazir, Hameed and Butt, Taufeq is hte most likely person to actually play out an entire session.

Hameed is the next one ... but he is a rythm player ... you break that ... you break him.

[the true passionist]

i must say that if u talk about Pakistan!
Taufeeq and Kamal r the most under-rated players in our team....
Taufeeq has a very good record...
He has an avg. of above 42.
Even the aussie commentators were saying this that how can players with batting avg above 40 not fit in the Pakistan squad!
and avg is not all..
He has consistently scored against all teams!
His performances include good performances against Aussies(not many Pakistanis have done so)
He also has a good record against South Africa
And what abt his technique!
i think one of the best in Pakistan..
apart from getting bowled across his legs nothing else is wrong!
even players like Anwar and Lara get bowled around legs!
He needs to be given a long run!Great Player

[Fawad]

So u think Rana will average 42 if he played as an opener in 22 Tests :oD |-R

[adi 101]

i have to agree with you an akmal the guy has great potential but taufeeq i dont agree thats my opinion but after the test match series i will have the last laugh but then again i support pakistan so i can thope he fails!!!!!

[Abdul Qadir 236]

how can a yorker be a full toss?
whats next?
ajit agarkar's half volley long hop?

[adi 101]

a yorker can technically be a fulltoss if the batter changes the baller and it ends up as a fulltoss!!!!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

adi - your surname doesnt happen to be bari?
u and a certain wasim of that surname would get on very well. A guy has to perform from word go "these days" - interesting. Well if that was case butt would have been discarded - so what if player has poor debut - u chuck him out? thats great - keep that up - that is what we need for pak isnt it. Why not follow the australian example - lets not get all excited and slag off a player - they persist with players - mould them - damn - if only we did a little more of that compared to this!!

[Abdul Qadir 236]

like JAved did to Chetan Sharma?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

what the hell - u say u support pakistan yet u say that u hope he fails - boy i wish we had more pakistan fans like u. I dislike akhtar - wouldnt want him to fail coz that would mean pakistan would fail?
comprendez?

[adi 101]

well obviously you give the guy a few matches under his belt to perform so what you are saying is umar has not been given a fair chance?

[Abdul Qadir 236]

lol i talk the french here.
i think he meant to say he cant hope he fails, typo.
WIY, Australia back their players and stick with them. They show confidence in them. This makes the guy play to his ability. Steve Waugh is the most obvious example here.

[Civil]

he has and he proved himself

he was unfairly dropped cause of some kachra tourney in kenya

[Daoud]

Name any other team who leaves out an opener averaging over 42. Not only that, but one who has 4 test centuries in not that many games, and scored a century in South Africa when they were actually good. Not only that, but hes an outstanding slip fielder. Lunacy really

[adi 101]

erm let see mathew hayden hahahahahhhahaa

[Abdul Qadir 236]

err test cricket yaar!
hayden was victim of rotation!

[adi 101]

hhahahaha but still i have given you all a player let see daren lehman hahahaha sorry im goin a bit hyper

[Civil]

adi do you even know how to differentiate between one dayers and tests?

They made it real easy for you types,
One Dayers=coloured kits
Tests = white kits

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

oh ahhahahaha - we are on about test cricket i.e real cricket - if i remember one reason u gave that taufeeq shouldnt play for pak was his ODI record - well thats just great

[Abdul Qadir 236]

48 test avg Lehmann! in squad.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

hahaha - civil great point!!!!!!! that is 5 pt bonus on fantasy cricket!!!!!

only joking but it was a classic!!! and Red combs has left finally!!!!!! he was so tight with the cash

[adi 101]

hahahha no not funny

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

well i differ on that

[adi 101]

lol u aint gona let me get the last word are you umar is a nuttin rana is better

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

well adi lets just say - in a word NO!!!!! just the way i am - am a debater too

[adi 101]

mate i got bout 3 weeks detention cause i carried on arguin wid da teacha i got all nite mate but then ma bird will be waitin for me anyhow i sed it before ill sey it again you think umars good your mistake