View Full Version : Aamir Sohail claims he can get Pak team back on track
sakss
13th June 2010, 13:27
Aamer Sohail has claimed he’s the man to get cricket in Pakistan back on the straight and narrow, saying: “If I’m asked, then why not?”
Over the last few years allegations of match-fixing and drug taking have hampered the Pakistani game with the PCB banning
and reinstating players quicker than a Shoaib Akhtar yorker.
Akhtar himself is one of three high-profile players to have had a ban and fine overturned in time for Pakistan’s packed summer schedule when they will face Tests in England against both Australia and their hosts.
Former skippers Shoaib Malik and Younus Khan have also been welcomed back into the fold after they were banned after Pakistan’s disasterious tour Down Under earlier this year. And Sohail - Pakistan’s captain from 1996 to 1998 - believes the PCB’s handling of each incident left a lot to be desired and is adament he’s the man to steady the ship.
“If I’m asked I’d share my vision and if I’m given full support, then why not?” he told 7DAYS.
“The recent problems were dealt with in a very immature way by the authorities.
“If there was something substantial against the players then you cannot tolerate indiscipline, but the inquiry (after the Australia tour) surprised many people. The entire saga was not handled properly.
“They have to bring the senior players back because Pakistan hasn’t got quality waiting in the wings straight away. They’ve realised it’s not going to be an easy summer.”
Sohail is an outspoken critic of current PCB chairman Ijaz Butt, but admits expectations were high when he took the job two years ago.
“Having been secretary of the board, selector and team manager, he should know the ills of Pakistan cricket.
Even I was thinking this guy will have the answers and we’ll see a better system.
So far we haven’t, but let’s hope he’s learned the lesson.”
Pakistan face Australia in two Tests in July, knowing they’re without a win against the Aussies in the longer version of the game for 15 years.
But Sohail believes the reasons for such a shoddy showing goes beyond what happens on the pitch and claims he has the ideas to ensure long-term success.
“If I was at the helm of the affairs I would think about Australia as the benchmark. If I start beating them in their own back yard and start beating them at home as well, everything will take care of itself.”
http://www.7days.ae/storydetails.php?id=95150&page=localnews&title=Sohail eyes role to hit PCB for six
Down2Earth
13th June 2010, 13:29
god only knows which sifarishis will come in if he's ever made the chairman
Would be a wondeful day for Hafeez, that's for sure.
cricketpassion
13th June 2010, 13:42
Would be a wondeful day for Hafeez, that's for sure.
and disaster for Yasir Arfat :asif
Omar Malik
13th June 2010, 13:44
Just like you got the team back on track on your previous ventures in a few roles?!
Desire
13th June 2010, 13:47
why dont bring some administrator from corporate sector or may be an experienced politician like ahsan iqbal type of guy.
why dont bring some administrator from corporate sector or may be an experienced politician like ahsan iqbal type of guy.
Nice idea, but I don't think Mian sahib will ever let Ahsan Iqbal go to PCB, he needs his skills on other issues. Personally I really like Ahsan.
Monsee
13th June 2010, 13:55
Junaid Gunja Zia must be sitting on his Musalla right now praying for Aamir Sohail to get the post :-)
Junaid Gunja Zia must be sitting on his Musalla right now praying for Aamir Sohail to get the post :-)
You haven't got it, have you? Junaid Zia was only selected because of preassure from his father Tauqeer Zia, so he wont be back at all now.
Amir
13th June 2010, 14:01
You haven't got it, have you? Junaid Zia was only selected because of preassure from his father Tauqeer Zia, so he wont be back at all now.
Exactly. Monsee is acting like it was Sohail's choice. Despite that, I liked Sohail as a selector. He was bold and made hard choices. He at least gave young players a chance and its just unfortunate that some of them regressed over the year due to confidence issues.
He did try a lot of players but that was more because it was right after 2003, we just lost with our oldies and it was time to build a new Pakistan. So he was testing and trying new players. I am sure if he had the role now, he wouldn't tinker too much but he would get rid of any cancers or lagging players much earlier.
Mohsin
13th June 2010, 14:03
He's one of the few hard taskmasters in the 'background set-up' hence why you've seen him forced out many times before. I wouldnt mind seeing him
Junaid Gunja Zia must be sitting on his Musalla right now praying for Aamir Sohail to get the post :-)
The only reason why Junaid Zia was selected was because of the then Chairman...Tauqeer Zia.
siccric
13th June 2010, 14:12
What exactly did Aamir Sohail do when he was chairman?
Monsee
13th June 2010, 14:12
You haven't got it, have you? Junaid Zia was only selected because of preassure from his father Tauqeer Zia, so he wont be back at all now.
You don't get it do you...Aamir Sohail is a hard headed guy who will do as he pleases and he never ever accepts his mistakes. If we think Jahaaaz Butt is a nut case then you wait till Aamir makes him look like a school kid
In interviews during that time and after he kept supporting Junaid's selection on the basis that he is the hardest working and fittest cricketer in Pakistan. He never admitted any guilt or mistakes...he could have said 'No Comments' to such questions but he did not even bother about that. I even remember an audio interview (file) on BBC where a journalist asked him about Junaid's selection and he literally started fighting with the journalist saying 'Yeh sahi sawal nahin hai aur aap ziadti ker rahay hain mujh saay yeh sawaal pooch ker!'
After that he basically refused to answer any questions on that subject period
Wazeeri
13th June 2010, 14:14
Aamer Suhail is the reason we are in this mess, this genius dropped Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar when they were willing to play.
What we were left with was a mess of opening partnerships when we could have had a man who just scored a century holding up one end while someone on the other end was trained to take over.
What we were left with was a half baked Sami looking to Akhtar for guidance when we could have had Waqar passing on some tips before he left leaving a secure pace attack.
What we could have had was a perfect record against India at home, what we were left with was a humiliating series defeat.
Aamer Suhail can keep his over reactive decision making skills in the commentary box. There is no need for him anywhere near the PCB.
Ex-cricketers are not welcome.
Suhail's contribution to selection have been Farhan Adil (remember him), Mohammad Hafeez in tests and the ever great Faisal Iqbal.
siccric
13th June 2010, 14:17
Aamer Suhail is the reason we are in this mess, this genius dropped Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar when they were willing to play.
What we were left with was a mess of opening partnerships when we could have had a man who just scored a century holding up one end while someone on the other end was trained to take over.
What we were left with was a half baked Sami looking to Akhtar for guidance when we could have had Waqar passing on some tips before he left leaving a secure pace attack.
What we could have had was a perfect record against India at home, what we were left with was a humiliating series defeat.
Aamer Suhail can keep his over reactive decision making skills in the commentary box. There is no need for him anywhere near the PCB.
Ex-cricketers are not welcome.
Suhail's contribution to selection have been Farhan Adil (remember him), Mohammad Hafeez in tests and the ever great Faisal Iqbal.
POST OF THE DECADE. SERIOUSLY
Monsee
13th June 2010, 14:20
As for those who think he is some sort of a messiah and that I am just criticizing him for the heck of it...he handed Pak caps like crazy and quite a few of those players did not even get picked after playing just one game. He even picked Yasir Ali while he was injured (many reports mentioned that) and having a blatant chucking bowling action!
As for chucking part, Yasir was not the first to be picked despite having that problem...Juanid Zia was even a worse chucker who barely bowled at 75 MPH and basically served pies left and right.
If his selections were so astute, then why don't you guys name me a couple of cricketers he picked who had a long and successful career?
Wazeeri
13th June 2010, 14:43
If his selections were so astute, then why don't you guys name me a couple of cricketers he picked who had a long and successful career?
Faisal Iqbal
Black Zero
13th June 2010, 15:20
You haven't got it, have you? Junaid Zia was only selected because of preassure from his father Tauqeer Zia, so he wont be back at all now.
Got it, It would someone else's son this time.
Black Zero
13th June 2010, 15:22
Aamer Suhail is the reason we are in this mess, this genius dropped Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar when they were willing to play.
Cannot forgive him for this.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 15:36
Everyone makes mistakes and so did sohail but he was the guy who brought in Gul,Butt,Hameed gave kami a chance to establish himself now these guys are not world beaters but looked good first up.
He established a good opening pair in tests in taufeeq and farhat and hameed/farhat in odi cricket.
He gave Gul a chance and he impressed staright away.
He introduced Salman butt.
Akhter and sami were looking to become a fearsome opening attack.
He was at the helm for just a year and admittedly tried lot of players but I would rather do that then bring back tried n tested failures like bari did. I honestly believe that things would have taken a shap for the the better.Look at maradona he tried 102 players in 2nd half of qualifiers coz they were struggling.
waqar_ahmad
13th June 2010, 17:17
Aamir sohail was the best chief selector we had.
Some really weird posts here. Hafeez was selected by Aamir Sohail. So what? He gave youngsters a chance. He gave Yasir Hameed a chance too. And some other younger guys during his short tenure.
The best thing about him was that he never dropped someone if he failed in the first few games. He gave people a long enough run to prove themselves.
Honestly, if it were not for his hot headed nature, I would even like to see him as the chief coach, with waqar as bowling coach.
Khabri420
13th June 2010, 17:20
Hafeez ki to lottery nikal aayegi :aamer
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 17:35
Aamir sohail was the best chief selector we had.
Some really weird posts here. Hafeez was selected by Aamir Sohail. So what? He gave youngsters a chance. He gave Yasir Hameed a chance too. And some other younger guys during his short tenure.
The best thing about him was that he never dropped someone if he failed in the first few games. He gave people a long enough run to prove themselves.
Honestly, if it were not for his hot headed nature, I would even like to see him as the chief coach, with waqar as bowling coach.
No we would rather play it safe with maliks misbahs raos with Wasim bari and iqbal qasim.
Wazeeri
13th June 2010, 17:57
The best thing about him was that he never dropped someone if he failed in the first few games.
Really????
7 tests 4 different openers.
insaaniyat
13th June 2010, 18:09
Everyone makes mistakes and so did sohail but he was the guy who brought in Gul,Butt,Hameed gave kami a chance to establish himself now these guys are not world beaters but looked good first up.
He established a good opening pair in tests in taufeeq and farhat and hameed/farhat in odi cricket.
He gave Gul a chance and he impressed staright away.
He introduced Salman butt.
Akhter and sami were looking to become a fearsome opening attack.
He was at the helm for just a year and admittedly tried lot of players but I would rather do that then bring back tried n tested failures like bari did. I honestly believe that things would have taken a shap for the the better.Look at maradona he tried 102 players in 2nd half of qualifiers coz they were struggling.
Akal kee baat kee hai aapne. Yes we keep bringing back aged and tested players. Not good for future of cricket in Pakistan.
after such a massive cull following on from WC 2003, there were bound to be new players tried out, it was not an outstanding achievement of Sohail's to try new players.
bhai457
13th June 2010, 18:20
Let me tell you he can help our batting alot alot!
JeeraBlade
13th June 2010, 18:41
Aamir Sohail claims he can get Pak team back on track
Can anybody put PCB administrators on track? I bet, even Genie in Aladdin's lamp can't do it.
Wazeeri
13th June 2010, 18:47
Let me tell you he can help our batting alot alot!
How exactly?
With a test average of 35 himself?
The man has lived off on the credit of Saeed Anwar.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 19:21
How exactly?
With a test average of 35 himself?
The man has lived off on the credit of Saeed Anwar.
Oh please give me a break.Man was our 2nd top scorer in 92 world cup,best batsman in 96 WC.Test average of 45 against aus and 50+ v Windies and Eng.
He thrived on big stage and against better team.Saeed was a special player sohail complimented him.
JeeraBlade
13th June 2010, 20:17
How exactly?
With a test average of 35 himself?
If you are talking about coaching or being a selector then one's batting average has nothing to with that. The greatest coach (in some PPer's eye's) to coach Pakistan cricket team had an average of 33.09 in test matches and 5.25 in ODIs.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 20:32
If you are talking about coaching or being a selector then one's batting average has nothing to with that. The greatest coach (in some PPer's eye's) to coach Pakistan cricket team had an average of 33.09 in test matches and 5.25 in ODIs.
Jeeray I prefer your previous signature.
JeeraBlade
13th June 2010, 20:37
Jeeray I prefer your previous signature.
Which ones?
Wazeeri
13th June 2010, 20:37
Oh please give me a break.
Please take a break.
Man was our 2nd top scorer in 92 world cup,best batsman in 96 WC.Test average of 45 against aus and 50+ v Windies and Eng.
Other then England all based on home series flat tracks.
One or two series does not make someone a batting genius. The man was plagued with the same flaws the current crop are suffering. He hardly has much to offer.
He speaks English well and therefore he is perfectly suitable for a job in front of the mike talking up players from his Muhallah when they do well and blaming the coach or the captain when they don't.
Amir
13th June 2010, 20:42
Aamer Suhail is the reason we are in this mess, this genius dropped Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar when they were willing to play.
What we were left with was a mess of opening partnerships when we could have had a man who just scored a century holding up one end while someone on the other end was trained to take over.
What we were left with was a half baked Sami looking to Akhtar for guidance when we could have had Waqar passing on some tips before he left leaving a secure pace attack.
What we could have had was a perfect record against India at home, what we were left with was a humiliating series defeat.
Aamer Suhail can keep his over reactive decision making skills in the commentary box. There is no need for him anywhere near the PCB.
Ex-cricketers are not welcome.
Suhail's contribution to selection have been Farhan Adil (remember him), Mohammad Hafeez in tests and the ever great Faisal Iqbal.
Yeah, not like we won a Sharjah cup, two test series (one vs SA who we never beat and one in NZ) before that. "Half baked Sami" who you kidding. At that time, Sami looked great and everyone was harping how good Sami was vs India. Everyone was raving, it wasn't till he was asked to a more defensive role (this is one player Woolmer failed on for me) that he lost it all.
2003 was a disaster and it was great to see Sohail build a new team. He gave a lot of caps out but knowing Monsee, never sees the circumstances as why he did it. I am sure he wouldn't do that now.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 20:44
Waz thanks for breaking the news that 92 world cup was held in Pakistan.
He was man of the tournament in SA 95.He was our best batsman in his only series in aus 95.Don't tell me aus and SA wickets were flat.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 20:48
Yeah, not like we won a Sharjah cup, two test series (one vs SA who we never beat and one in NZ) before that. "Half baked Sami" who you kidding. At that time, Sami looked great and everyone was harping how good Sami was vs India. Everyone was raving, it wasn't till he was asked to a more defensive role (this is one player Woolmer failed on for me) that he lost it all.
2003 was a disaster and it was great to see Sohail build a new team. He gave a lot of caps out but knowing Monsee, never sees the circumstances as why he did it. I am sure he wouldn't do that now.
Spot on Aamir.People say he had to bring new players after a dismal world cup but they forget bari kept tried n tested failures after an even worse 07 campaign.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 20:51
Which ones?
Radio commentary of an IPL game.
Gollum
13th June 2010, 21:02
I see a lot of similarities between Sohail and current career path of Salman Butt. Both speak good English, both have had one or two good series, and both of them will be remembered as average players in the long run as neither will crack any top 10 lists of Pakistani bests.
The only thing that stuck with me regarding Sohail was his 205 against England where he truly came close to his potential - what could have been! Never doubted his talent but his temperament and commitment to the game. I have the same problem with Salman Butt.
waqar_ahmad
13th June 2010, 21:02
after such a massive cull following on from WC 2003, there were bound to be new players tried out, it was not an outstanding achievement of Sohail's to try new players.
Yes, just like we haev been trying new players recently, after massive failings of Misbah,, Kami, malik, etc.
Give credit where it is due.
waqar_ahmad
13th June 2010, 21:05
Really????
7 tests 4 different openers.
Please list the openers
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 21:12
I see a lot of similarities between Sohail and current career path of Salman Butt. Both speak good English, both have had one or two good series, and both of them will be remembered as average players in the long run as neither will crack any top 10 lists of Pakistani bests.
The only thing that stuck with me regarding Sohail was his 205 against England where he truly came close to his potential - what could have been! Never doubted his talent but his temperament and commitment to the game. I have the same problem with Salman Butt.
Sohail was ten times a player butt ever will be.Numbers don't reflect his contribution he was at his peak when match fixing saga broke and he suffered.Like I said look at his numbers against top teams of 90s and his impact on world cups.For some strange reason he struggled against average teams of his time Zim NZ and SL.
waqar_ahmad
13th June 2010, 21:35
Sohail was ten times a player butt ever will be.Numbers don't reflect his contribution he was at his peak when match fixing saga broke and he suffered.Like I said look at his numbers against top teams of 90s and his impact on world cups.For some strange reason he struggled against average teams of his time Zim NZ and SL.
That is coz Aamir Sohail was a big match player. Yes Saeed Anwar was more gifted, but Aamir Sohail was a much better pressure player than Saeed Anwar. In a crunch match, in a high pressure situation, I would choose Aamir Sohail over Saeed Anwar any day, just coz of his guts, and a bigger heart. His average does not reflect how good a player he was
I see a lot of similarities between Sohail and current career path of Salman Butt. Both speak good English, both have had one or two good series, and both of them will be remembered as average players in the long run as neither will crack any top 10 lists of Pakistani bests.
The only thing that stuck with me regarding Sohail was his 205 against England where he truly came close to his potential - what could have been! Never doubted his talent but his temperament and commitment to the game. I have the same problem with Salman Butt.
Butt still has a long way to go in his career, but yes certainly a similarish career path right now.
Yes, just like we haev been trying new players recently, after massive failings of Misbah,, Kami, malik, etc.
Give credit where it is due.
plenty of new players have been introduced in later regimes as well.
Sohail was ten times a player butt ever will be.Numbers don't reflect his contribution he was at his peak when match fixing saga broke and he suffered.Like I said look at his numbers against top teams of 90s and his impact on world cups.For some strange reason he struggled against average teams of his time Zim NZ and SL.
highly, highly debatable...can't really compare right now though.
Black Zero
13th June 2010, 22:29
He performed well in patches.
RE: WC92, Pakistan lost those matches where he performed well (not his fault though)
Couldn't perform much in semi/final (his fault, but still we won).
I recall once he was going to score century before lunch but Ijaz Ahmed spoiled that by not rotating the strike.
But as a selector, I do not think he would be a good choice. He is too angry on so many things.
Whats wrong with MHK, by the way? except one or two players (i.e. Fawad, Farhat), 90%+ are satisfied with AC squad.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 22:56
He performed well in patches.
RE: WC92, Pakistan lost those matches where he performed well (not his fault though)
Couldn't perform much in semi/final (his fault, but still we won).
I recall once he was going to score century before lunch but Ijaz Ahmed spoiled that by not rotating the strike.
But as a selector, I do not think he would be a good choice. He is too angry on so many things.
Whats wrong with MHK, by the way? except one or two players (i.e. Fawad, Farhat), 90%+ are satisfied with AC squad.
Was that 95 test in NZ where he was hit wicket before lunch for 88.
Dr Khan
13th June 2010, 22:58
I see a lot of similarities between Sohail and current career path of Salman Butt. Both speak good English, both have had one or two good series, and both of them will be remembered as average players in the long run as neither will crack any top 10 lists of Pakistani bests.
The only thing that stuck with me regarding Sohail was his 205 against England where he truly came close to his potential - what could have been! Never doubted his talent but his temperament and commitment to the game. I have the same problem with Salman Butt.
I think the comparison between Sohail and Butt is ridiculous. Shoail had aggressive nature, on your face kind of a guy which are rare amongst Pak batsmen, he was also a very good fielder and more than handy left arm spinner who got some vital wickets for Pakistan especially in ODI. He was multi-dimensional, good leader who led us to our only test victory in SA. He may have limited talent but he made the most of it. I can not say the same about Salman Butt who is more of a one dimensional player. Also Sohail had to face bowlers like Walsh, Ambrose and Mc'grath who were way better than the pacers these days.
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 23:07
I think the comparison between Sohail and Butt is ridiculous. Shoail had aggressive nature, on your face kind of a guy which are rare amongst Pak batsmen, he was also a very good fielder and more than handy left arm spinner who got some vital wickets for Pakistan especially in ODI. He was multi-dimensional, good leader who led us to our only test victory in SA. He may have limited talent but he made the most of it. I can not say the same about Salman Butt who is more of a one dimensional player. Also Sohail had to face bowlers like Walsh, Ambrose and Mc'grath who were way better than the pacers these days.
Awesome post :malik
I think the comparison between Sohail and Butt is ridiculous. Shoail had aggressive nature, on your face kind of a guy which are rare amongst Pak batsmen, he was also a very good fielder and more than handy left arm spinner who got some vital wickets for Pakistan especially in ODI. He was multi-dimensional, good leader who led us to our only test victory in SA. He may have limited talent but he made the most of it. I can not say the same about Salman Butt who is more of a one dimensional player. Also Sohail had to face bowlers like Walsh, Ambrose and Mc'grath who were way better than the pacers these days.
it is obviously a batting comparison, not the whole package...Sohail's record does look decidedly average on the whole, and they both share the knack of scoring in the big matches against the big teams.
our only Test victory in SA? :13:
:inzi
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 23:20
it is obviously a batting comparison, not the whole package...Sohail's record does look decidedly average on the whole, and they both share the knack of scoring in the big matches against the big teams.
our only Test victory in SA? :13:
:inzi
Test average of 35 in 90s=42/45 now.
Test ave of 30 now=22/25 in 90s.
Test average of 35 in 90s=42/45 now.
Test ave of 30 now=22/25 in 90s.
would love to see what statistical model you used to figure that out.
Black Zero
13th June 2010, 23:22
Was that 95 test in NZ where he was hit wicket before lunch for 88.
It's long ago, I don't recall hit wickets but vividly remember that we cursed Ijaz a lot. Aamir was exhibiting great stroke play.
Monsee
13th June 2010, 23:25
Aamir sohail was the best chief selector we had.
Some really weird posts here. Hafeez was selected by Aamir Sohail. So what? He gave youngsters a chance. He gave Yasir Hameed a chance too. And some other younger guys during his short tenure.
The best thing about him was that he never dropped someone if he failed in the first few games. He gave people a long enough run to prove themselves.
Honestly, if it were not for his hot headed nature, I would even like to see him as the chief coach, with waqar as bowling coach.
Oh really, who are Farhan Adil and Yasir Ali then?
He picked an injured and suspect action bowler (Yasir) for that famous match in Multan and then dumped him for good!
Farhan Adil played in the same game and never played again!
He would do the selection and then go on air and criticize the same players' technique etc. What kind of an idiot does that?
He reportedly gave Hafeez some tongue lashing on air and then went in the dressing room (during an ongoing match) and gave him a dressing down infront of all
And his selection of Ganja Zia (no matter what the reasons)...is a crime so big he should be tried for crimes against humanity :yk
Monsee
13th June 2010, 23:30
after such a massive cull following on from WC 2003, there were bound to be new players tried out, it was not an outstanding achievement of Sohail's to try new players.
Ditto and it was not as if he did it on his own...Tauqeer Zia dictated it all to him because the depressive general did not like Waqar/Waseem and a few other seniors
Pakistani fans always look back and think everything was rosy at that time when it was anything but that.
Yes, Aamir is genuine man but he needs someone looking over his shoulders at all time or he start acting like a loose cannon
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 23:37
would love to see what statistical model you used to figure that out.
Inzi averaged 40 in 90s and close to 60 in 2000s.In 90s 2/3 players averaged 50 in last decade it went up to 18.
Monsee
13th June 2010, 23:45
Anyone saying Aamir was better than Anwar (in any conditions)...is completely out of his mind!
Saeed played some of the best innings ever while playing under pressure...his 160 odd against India in 1999 and his 120 odd against SA in SA (with Donald firing on all cylinders and all other failing)...two of the best which come to mind right away
saeed-sohail
13th June 2010, 23:52
I am yet to meet anyone who says sohail was better then saeed.I remember that SA game when they put on 118 against a quality pace attack on a bouncy wicket.To me that was their best stand in test cricket and saeed,s best test innings even better then 188 at eden gardens.
Inzi averaged 40 in 90s and close to 60 in 2000s.In 90s 2/3 players averaged 50 in last decade it went up to 18.
it's been a batting era, no doubt...better/lighter bats, pace bowling decline, flatter pitches, and more attacking play in Test cricket...but then again pace bowlers and spinners have been setting all sorts of records too.
but comparing players from different eras is still highly subjective, you can never say anything for certain.
saeed-sohail
14th June 2010, 00:04
it's been a batting era, no doubt...better/lighter bats, pace bowling decline, flatter pitches, and more attacking play in Test cricket...but then again pace bowlers and spinners have been setting all sorts of records too.
but comparing players from different eras is still highly subjective, you can never say anything for certain.
Completly agree AZ it was another poster who compared them.Look at bell he averages a lot more then atherton but athers was a better batsman.Salim malik averaged 43 and YK has an ave of 50 but malik was a better batsman.
Monsee
14th June 2010, 00:08
I am yet to meet anyone who says sohail was better then saeed.I remember that SA game when they put on 118 against a quality pace attack on a bouncy wicket.To me that was their best stand in test cricket and saeed,s best test innings even better then 188 at eden gardens.
Here you go...cannot say the same again:
That is coz Aamir Sohail was a big match player. Yes Saeed Anwar was more gifted, but Aamir Sohail was a much better pressure player than Saeed Anwar. In a crunch match, in a high pressure situation, I would choose Aamir Sohail over Saeed Anwar any day, just coz of his guts, and a bigger heart. His average does not reflect how good a player he was
saeed-sohail
14th June 2010, 00:12
Here you go...cannot say the same again:
You seem to ignore word pressure.
Usman
14th June 2010, 00:29
15 overs they are gone, it's 65-1. :))
Monsee
14th June 2010, 00:35
You seem to ignore word pressure.
Yes, that is why I only highlighted it...I should have made the font of the word 10 times bigger and underlined it too!
Seriously, Aamir better under pressure compared to Anwar?
what next, Inzi is a minnow compared to Sachin when batting under pressure and not choking?
saeed-sohail
14th June 2010, 00:40
Monsee bhai there is nothing to argue here as I have said saeed miles better then saeed now can you please return to butt thread it needs attention urgent.
waqar_ahmad
14th June 2010, 01:10
Here you go...cannot say the same again:
Yes, I still maintain that Aamir was better than Saeed Anwar under pressure. You can disagree you all you want
Black Zero
14th June 2010, 01:42
Test average of 35 in 90s=42/45 now.
Test ave of 30 now=22/25 in 90s.
Interesting, that makes av of 50 now around 38.9 then.:)
(Used same ratio)
hassan.raza
14th June 2010, 02:02
well amir sir wants to do something for pakistani cricket he is very honest and dedicating ............ but people like ijaz butt will not let him work , so when the next chairmain comes maybe then he has a chance ..................
Blistering Barnacle
14th June 2010, 12:01
He was multi-dimensional, good leader who led us to our only test victory in SA
Inzi won a test in SA.
http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/250666.html
Blistering Barnacle
14th June 2010, 12:05
I agree that Aamer Sohail would probably have averaged 40-42 today in test cricket.
He was a pretty good player, better than an average of 35 indicates.
He was also a pretty good chief selector, apart from retiring Anwar too early and of course the Junaid Zia selection.
Meanwhile Mohammad Hafeez :108: :108: :108:
Wazeeri
14th June 2010, 15:49
Please list the openers
Salman Butt
Taufeeq Umar
Mohammad Hafeez
Imran Farhat
Monsee
14th June 2010, 16:01
Salman Butt
Taufeeq Umar
Mohammad Hafeez
Imran Farhat
And Yasir Hameed too unless he played one down
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