I think the time has come for New Zealand media to act aggressively and put Pakistan in its place. They do not have to listen to this abuse from a nation that has no credibility and no leg to stand on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
The New Zealand media needs to talk about the Sri Lankan attack, Osama and the role Pakistan played in helping the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Act aggressively and put Pakistan in its place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamoon
Bring it. Let’s see how this pans out as well.
Yeah because NZC will point towards the comments of Pakistanis on PakPassion and social media when they try to make their case...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yk313
Pakistan and Pakistanis have every right to be angry. And they have have every right to express their anger aswell.
Also, ICC doesn't care what cricketers and average people are saying. Its an international governing body, not a click-bait masala tabloid.
New Zealand media putting Pakistan in its place even though the nation is guilty of not protecting Muslims who were slaughtered like lamb in Christchurch by a white supremacist!
Not a convincing answer at all im sorry. I dont see any racism properly identified.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
Dont let emotions govern your thoughts.
New Zealand does a better job of protecting Muslims than Pakistan - a country that was created to protect Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rana
This is not really big news outside of cricket circles here. People here are mostly obessed with covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamoon
There might be some click bait opinion pieces but not much from the media
Good to see the PCB is being proactive about it. They can't let this spoil all the work they have been doing for the last few years. As for the England tour, I think it will be very hard for England to tour after what NZ did, which will now create panic among the England players even if the board hypothetically gets the go-ahead from the security team. At any rate, I agree that they should hold-off on making any statements for now and make one in a few days that also also incorporates the opinions of the security and intelligence agencies that were actually providing security and monitoring the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by UzmanBeast
Yeah because you're gonna tell me what's racist and what's not...Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
By all means, go ahead and try to put Pakistan in its place about it’s so called protection of Muslims or lack of it in comparison to NZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamoon
It’s funny how you think the Pro Muslim Media around the world will all of a sudden criticise Pakistan for its poor treatment of minorities. They will not when the objective is to defeat the west!
I have a feeling this would have taken place in that period after which NZ cited the existence of threat and PAK tried to assuage their concerns but before the tour was officially called off. I would imagine that this stuff normally happens prior to the game day if at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by UzmanBeast
Juvenile over-correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamoon
I asked you to convince me and you didnt. You are free to believe whatever you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
Take it on the chin and move on.
ICC will likely have no say in this.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
Sure, PAK have every right to be frustrated. How that frustration is channelled is the difference between professionalism and not.
And yes even if the story does get picked up on some peripheral NZ channels they may supplement it with a piece about whatever is trending on Twitter. Won't make a ton of difference either way but not quite the topping desired on this already distasteful cake.
Keep up this volume against the NZCB and the nation of NZ. Cricket in Pakistan will recover but what the NZCB did to the PCB and what the country of New Zealand did to the country of Pakistan will not be forgotten, they will be made to pay for this dearly
Agreed. No time stamps on the video either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yk313
It would be normal practice in my mind before a game. What else can the PCB do if they are kept in the dark about the threat type?
How would you explain it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
They refused to share info with the people risking their lives that were tasked with protecting them.
The security forces were then compelled to escort them to the airport and protect them from a threat that they weren't sure of the size/quantity of.
If its not racism please let me know what the best word is to describe this type of callousness.
Yes, we need to wait and see what develops.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
Ok cool but NZCB is New Zealand Certified Builders association.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savak
I think you want to go after NZC.
They would share that info with 4 other white nations but not PakistanQuote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom
How is this not racial exclusion?
Foreign Policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom
Yea it sucks a big one but its not racially motivated.
You're under the impression that my aim was to convince you, it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
It was simply to provide clarity to something that was already perfectly obvious to begin with.
Those two statements strongly contradict.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
Don't talk to me about unprofessionalism when NZC has abandoned a cricket tour on a whim, didn't even care to share the nature of the threat or where it came from. And then gone on and leaked some of the same information to their local news outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yk313
How is that not the absolute epitome of unprofessionalism? And you're blaming PCB and Pakistani fans in this?
Because maybe Pakistan isn't trusted enough and maybe like the past, part of the regime has connection with terrorist groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rana
How so? I said the comments of NZC's chief were racist and condescending. I agree that you can't just say someone is racist without actually talking about what it is that is racist to begin with. It seemed patently obvious to some of the other posters but since you since you seemed confused, I thought I might as well clear your misconceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
But my job was never to convince you about something that is already as obvious as it is.
Oh but it is trusted enough when you need to build the Taliban? Like in the past?Quote:
Originally Posted by ishtiaq_ctg
It was a poor, unprofessional move by NZC which was probably done at the behest of their US/UK masters but how is it racist? They just toured BD for crying out loud.
Pakistan is led by one of the greatest cricketers whose crowning ambition has been to make cricket in Pakistan a regular thing. Do Pakistani fans actually believe that he'd have just sat back and watched NZ leave, if there was nothing credible about the threat?
There's a video posted on the previous page which looks like security sweeping the ground with bomb detectors. Seriously, that's ridiculous.
One way to look at it would be the Pak fan's way - that's the level of detail our security went into. The other way to see it is - if that's the level of paranoia, why bother playing under such tense circumstances.
It's a hard thing to accept, but in time will probably make sense for those who're emotional now.
They failed miserably in the case of the Christchurch shooting. They ignored intelligence because they were far too busy profiling "islamists". Allow it bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamoon
If I was the PCB chairman I would’ve taken away the presidential security and told the NZ cricket board, “if our security isn’t enough to keep you guys safe then don’t expect our security to escort you to the airport”.
Can’t wait for the 26th…
That would have been the end of any international cricket in Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast
I am glad you are not running the affairs! Very immature and petty!Quote:
Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast
We don’t need teams like England, Australia and NZ touring Pakistan, we’ve survived without them and we’ll continue to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffet
I’m happy to watch teams like SA, WI, SL, Afg, Ban touring us instead, teams that actually come to play cricket and not cause drama.
What difference does it make to you? Even with all the presidential security, you will still find a way to diss Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
How so? They trusted the security to take them to the airport but not to the stadium? Give me a break!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
They should’ve called their aussie daddies to bring their SAS to take them back home.
That actions would have resulted in no team touring in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast
And how’s that any different to what actually took place? You think England and Aus will be coming in the future?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffet
They may not, but refusing to escort NZ to the airport would have meant SA, BD, and WI also not coming in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buffet
As long as we have foreign players playing in the PSL in Pakistan, we won’t have a problem with hosting teams like SA, BD, WI etc. These countries aren’t going to ruin their relation with us because we decided to humiliate the NZ cricket board.
I can understand the hurt of Pakistani fans but keep in mind that NZ doesn't have any agenda against Pakistan. They sent their team and let them stay in Pakistan for a few days.
You have to trust NZ on this.
And no , they cannot share intelligence. Not even nature of the threat. Maybe they think it will compromise their sources - there may be some other reason.
Respectfully, you are an Indian, you will always find a way to justify harming Pakistan cricket. Your view is not impartial.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaankeJi
In sports and diplomacy, there is no room for petty antics and emotions. Strive towards making the country safe so teams tour us. Pretty simple!Quote:
Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast
The stats prove Pakistan is much safer, but you choose to ignore because the truth doesn’t bode with your agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
Pakistan is much safer than whom? Somalia or Afghanistan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Technics 1210
Safer since the IK tweet you posted from 4.5 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
Tell me, since you fled Pakistan, how many of your family members living in Pakistan have been victims of terrorism?
This five eye thing is clearly missing a few pairs...
They dont pick up terrrosts in their own countries, blast a family of eleven in another country and somehow have information on an imminent attack in another country?
I think five eyes need to visit specsavers
Yeah the Five Eyes are definitely missing a couple of eyeballs. Till now their only real purpose was causing problems in Hong Kong. But now I guess their purview has expanded...Quote:
Originally Posted by IMMY69
What did you expect Imran Khan to do? Kidnap them?Quote:
Originally Posted by pillionrider
Your example of security sweeping the stadium is a childish one and shows you have no idea what you are talking about.
This is basic protocol for most sporting events.
Even your IPL has bomb detection teams and sniffer dogs in the stadium.
Because pakistan is not a member of the alliance and pakistan is on their opposite side in the geo strategic scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rana
Yes and they will all tour after you pull out the security of a team. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast
The big 3 plus NZ IRL will make sure pakistan has hell to pay in ICC. And none of these boards you mentioned will squeak a word in support of pakistan if pakistan tried to pull out the security team.
Pcb and Pakistan are not in the strongest position in the ICC.
These boards will not ruin their relationship with NZ and Big 3 for the sake of pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by YousafTheBeast
Again, stop pretending to be an expert on this. They shared intelligence with the Taliban a few weeks ago. Intelligence is shared even with enemies sometimes. Pakistan and 5 eyes have done a **** ton of intelligence sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketjoshila
NZ could have done this in a more graceful manner. They could have said all this while being in BD.
That is their wish who and when they share their intelligence. Pakistan or any other country cannot demand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahsan17
Using expletives wont change the facts.
He will casually ignore it because it’s Pakistan who needs to be defeatedQuote:
Originally Posted by ahsan17
5 eyes had information of a bomb but didn’t inform Pakistan. NZ better get out so Pakistan can suffer the explosion themselves
Dude, all I see you is finding small holes in other people's argument, often times inconsequential or irrelevant holes. Is that what you do all day?Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketjoshila
In any case, the other boards won't have to ruin their relation with Big 3 + NZ if Pakistan only plays with them.
I don’t think racism is a ‘these boards’ thing anymore. This is beyond cricket now.Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketjoshila
So stop pretending that they are bound to not share the intelligence. The intelligence in this case doesn't appear to be something overly sensitive. There are likely other reasons why it can't be shared, such as it was bad intelligence or that it implicates a third country like India. There doesn't seem to be any good reason otherwise why it can't be shared.Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketjoshila
Big 3 and Nz work closely in ICC. WI and IRL also. BD SA vote as per BCCI's lobbying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahsan17
Read how NZC' s George Barclay was elected ICC chairman.
No they are not bound to share anything with Pakistan. And its their decision and they dont need to justify it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahsan17
You can say anything you want, it doesn't affect Nzc or NZ or five eyes.
Obviously they don't have to share it. But there's no good reason not to. And if they don't share it, it can be reasonably assumed the whole episode was a lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by cricketjoshila
There seems to be a high chance that New Zealand may not reveal what the threat is at all. A few hours ago, Grant Robertson (Deputy prime minister of New Zealand), was interviewed about what the threat was, and Grant is also saying "We can't reveal the specifics of the threat was, however, the threat was targeted towards blackcaps team".
Imagine the precedent this might set. The only reason to not reveal the information is likely due to other reasons, such as a third country like India getting implicated, or that the intelligence was bad. Otherwise there's no good reason not to share.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilal Ahmad15
What kind of logic is that? I have not been murdered, it means this country is safe! You are better than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technics 1210
Statisically Pakistan is now safer than when teams regularly used to visit Pakistan. Though I am sure you will have some other way to explain that.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
Statement from New Zealand Cricket Players Association (NZCPA)
The NZCPA is delighted that the Blackcaps have arrived safely in Dubai following the cancellation of the Pakistan tour. Obviously, it has not been an easy time for the players and their families and it is a relief to everyone knowing that they are now safe.
We recognise and understand that the decision to leave their country is extremely disappointing for the people of Pakistan. However, player safety has to be our number one priority and we completely support the decision that has been made by New Zealand Cricket (NZC).
Importantly, we would like to thank the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) and the respective Pakistan Government agencies for their excellent care and support of our team at this time – it is much appreciated and we couldn’t have asked for more. We really feel for PCB CEO Wasim Khan and his team given the work they had put in to ensure the tour could go ahead, and we only hope that one day the situation will be such that we will be able to return safely.
We have complete confidence in the security check processes we follow with NZC prior to going on any tour and remain comfortable with the decision to go - our players were really looking forward to playing in Pakistan for the first time. However, the security checking doesn’t stop on arrival and the continued risk assessments had determined that the situation for our team had changed last Friday and that a decision needed to be made to leave.
We would also like to thank the team at NZC led by David White who have done an outstanding job throughout – their commitment to player involvement in decision making and player safety is second to none.
In addition, we thank the New Zealand Government for their support and also our security consultant Reg Dickason whose experience and expertise in managing security for sporting tours and tournaments is hugely valued.
My IPL :))Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom
I've been to a few home games at the IPL, some of them after a bomb went off outside the stadium. There are always security checks even now at cricket matches, sometimes sniffer dogs.
Never seen minesweepers. Played the game though :)
Do you think the minesweepers and the major security checks are down with the fans at the stadium ? Of course you wouldn't see them when attending the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by pillionrider
Nice try.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
The stats first of all prove Pakistan is safer than your poor attempt at citing an IK tweet from 4.5 years ago. Furthermore you know Pakistan is safe since you have just visited Pakistan (check the Covid vaccine thread) - unless you were lying?
So if Pakistan is safe for the people of Pakistan, and the political asylum seekers of Pakistan (you), then it's safe for anyone.
When you hit your 30s you will understand, plus, you don't hate Pakistan, you hate IK who curbed those brown envelopes.
Your gripe is with IK, not Pakistan. Now jog on.
The sweat on David White's bald head was palpable today as he shamelessly asked Pakistan not be vindictive when the time came for us to tour New Zealand.
Goes to show how desperate New Zealand are to host teams at home. Because I doubt one of the Big 3 boards would have said something like that.
I hope the PCB is as vindictive as it possibly can be when that time comes to tour New Zealand.
Look man, I found your earlier post rude and so responded sarcastically.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom
Truth is, the world is not a fair place. It's also a lot about perception as has been discussed endlessly in recent times. When the blasts happened outside the Chinnaswamy Stadium, the only thing of note that happened was some games were shifted to Mumbai. The PR skills that went into overdrive to quell the perception of danger was of such high quality that I had to google this blast to recall it properly, though it happened in my city. The next year, in 2011, I attended a few games and remember being slightly nervous, which vanished once I entered the stadium because everyone seemed confident, and that's down to the way the government and agencies handled things.
I don't think there's anything a non-Pakistani can say at this point which won't sound patronizing, so I'll just leave it at that.
Chairman Pakistan Cricket Board Ramiz Raja on Thursday said that the New Zealand Cricket has contacted the Pakistan Cricket Board regarding the rescheduling of the home series against Pakistan and "good news will be announced within a week".
Speaking before the Senate Standing Committee on Interprovincial Coordination on different aspects and future goals set up for Pakistan Cricket, Raja said: "The PCB may put forward its terms before the NZC by choosing the month of November in 2022 for the rescheduling of the recently postponed series."
He also said that the PCB must strengthen its financial status to increase its value before the International Cricket Council as well as other cricket boards.
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) generates 90% of the revenue for ICC whereas the PCB gives nothing, he said.
"The ICC provides 50% funds to PCB. I'm afraid Pakistan Cricket may collapse if BCCI stopped funding the ICC.”
Irresponsible statements being issued against state institutions: Sheikh Rasheed
Raja further said: “The truth is that money is now everything in world cricket. PCB has to strengthen its financial status in order to increase its value before the ICC."
Raja said that the PCB, in future, will not only generate money for itself but for the ICC as well.
The PCB chief is currently holding meetings with different businessmen of the country for the sake of enhancing investment in Pakistan Cricket.
“There are two companies that have offered to sponsor drop-in pitches for different stadiums of Pakistan and it will cost around $1 million per drop-in pitch," he said.
He said that one of the sponsors has offered a blank cheque to Pakistan Cricket with the condition of defeating India in the upcoming T20 World Cup.
He also spoke about other upcoming series that Pakistan will host and said that the PCB plans to schedule the tri-series on regular basis at home with West Indies, South Africa, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka which will "help to build a bloc against influential cricket boards."
NAB chief extension not only illegal but has malicious intent: Bilawal
"West Indies Cricket Board are optimistic to tour Pakistan in December 2021 whereas Australia will also be forced to think twice regarding decision making on touring Pakistan in February 2021," he said.
Raja also appreciated the English media by naming former test captain of England, Mike Atherton, who bluntly spoke about and exposed the injustice done to Pakistan Cricket by the England Cricket Board.
The PCB chief categorically stood staunch on his opinions regarding cricketers involved in spot-fixing. “I was and I am against fixers. You can’t allow a cricketer to play for Pakistan again who was once involved in fixing and had damaged the global image of Pakistan Cricket."
He said that bringing back fixers give the wrong impression to budding cricketers.
"I feel disappointed when the national team faces a defeat and cricket fans right away start demanding for comebacks of cricketers with fixing allegations.”
https://nation.com.pk/07-Oct-2021/ne...our-ramiz-raja
No thanks!!!! This time they will cancel the tour after 1 over. No point to waste time or money believing them.
Looks like the ‘western arrogance’ comments have struck a chord in the ‘great Jacinda Arden’.
Its difficult to believe the words of these pusillanimous people.
No, thank you.
I’m sure it’ll take over 10 years for the NZ players to overcome the trauma that they had experienced in Pakistan since they’re clearly very mentally weak (but not for the IPL). If presidential security isn’t good enough for them now then it won’t be good enough for them next year. Even if there was an iron dome over the NZ players they’d still feel unsafe.
PCB needs to stop begging the western bloc, there’s plenty of other teams that are willing to tour us, it’s time to stop wasting time on the countries that are reluctant to tour us.
Oh man, thanks but no thanks.
What happened to this great credible security threat?
So basically BCCI funds 45 percent of PCB's budget - for nothing in return. Wow.