Thanks for this. Looks like they did not have a dedicated security team fly out to PAK from NZ or elsewhere to secure the perimeter.Quote:
Originally Posted by OMB
Thanks for this. Looks like they did not have a dedicated security team fly out to PAK from NZ or elsewhere to secure the perimeter.Quote:
Originally Posted by OMB
The situation in USA is far worse! Gun homocides alone are above 35000 year, try walking in the ghetto areas at night, walk anywhere in the Bible belt in a shalwaar, on top of this a polorised society, religious intolerence, rapes, muggings, murder, hate crimes, you name it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yk313
Every country has danger spots, so the likes of saeedhk pigeon holing specific areas in Pakistan is non-different to anyone pigeon holing dangerous areas in the USA or UK.
Fact is the excuse of terror has run its course in Pakistan, and the statistics prove this. If more so if there was a a high risk of terror threat in Pakistan, where the games where meant to be played, how on earth did the security team representing the Kiwis, and ECB for that matter, approve the safety for the players/teams thus green lighting the tours in the first place?
Funny how the Kiwi team travelled by bus to the airport on the same route where an alleged terrorist attack was going to take place. Where is the terror threat?
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This unnecessary mocking of New Zealand team by profession cricketers doing bigger more harm to Pakistan cricket than the actual incident
I can't believe we are still in this position. Pakistan has been a safe country for a good number of years now. Tourism seems to be flourishing and I have just come back after a two month trip. There is only so much the PCB can do but the ICC really needs to get a grip of the situation. Have we heard anything from the ICC?? A council with absolute zero power and influence.
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Originally Posted by Walawalkar
Coming from fans is one thing, but players, officials, etc making these comments is going to do more damage. The Twitter break should be mandated for these players because they have been putting non-stop inflammatory statements.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m going to Pakistan tomorrow, who coming with me? ������</p>— Chris Gayle (@henrygayle) <a href="https://twitter.com/henrygayle/status/1439299990736756737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">i would also like to go with you people of pakistan are very loving i recommend to everyone that should do the tour of Pakistan and that too with Universe Boss ��<br>Good opportunity . <a href="https://t.co/BJb4pJmeem">https://t.co/BJb4pJmeem</a></p>— Sherfane Rutherford (@SRutherford_50) <a href="https://twitter.com/SRutherford_50/status/1439306321342316545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Lovely stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan24
Can't thank everyone enough for what they have said in support of Pakistan's security.
It's clear that everyone sees through the smoke, this was a baseless decision.
PCB ought to take NZC to court and demand recompensation, if NZC can even afford to churn out the millions of dollars lost.
Absolutely. Solidarity and support shown so many players, commentators and other cricketing as well non-cricketing people from around the world is heartening to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by UzmanBeast
PCB is already preparing a case to present in ICC’s dispute resolution committee, there can be other options as well if ICC shows its incompetence once again.
So friends of Pak cricket as well as PCB are trying as much as they can to somewhat restore the situation.
They "may be" different but neither are good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abdulm123
The BLACKCAPS have arrived in Dubai after leaving Islamabad on a charter flight last night (New Zealand time).
The contingent of 34 players and support staff are now settling into their Dubai hotel and undergoing their 24-hour period of self-isolation.
Of this group, 24 will return to New Zealand over the next week or so, as flights and MIQ rooms in New Zealand become available.
The MIQ arrangements initially booked for these squad members at the end of the Pakistan tour will now be cancelled.
The balance of the touring party will remain in the UAE and join up with the BLACKCAPS T20 World Cup squad, ahead of that tournament commencing on October 17.
New Zealand Cricket chief executive David White said he was grateful to the Pakistan Cricket Board for helping organise the safe departure of the New Zealand team.
“We appreciate this has been a terribly difficult time for the PCB and wish to pass on our sincere thanks to chief executive Wasim Khan and his team for their professionalism and care.
Mr White said NZC and the BLACKCAPS had been very much looking forward to the Pakistan series but were faced with no option but to abandon the tour after receiving, on Friday, advice from the New Zealand government of a specific, credible threat.
This advice was supported by NZC’s security consultants – who were on the ground in Pakistan, and by other independent sources.
While the general tenor of the threat was immediately shared with the PCB, Mr White reiterated that specific details could not, and will not, be disclosed – privately or publicly.
“What I can say is that we were advised this was a specific and credible threat against the team.
“We had several conversations with New Zealand government officials before making the decision and it was after informing the PCB of our position that we understand a telephone discussion was conducted between the respective Prime Ministers.
“Unfortunately, given the advice we’d received, there was no way we could stay in the country.”
Mr White said NZC remained comfortable with its initial decision to tour Pakistan, based on comprehensive assessments of the security situation, and the risk mitigation measures promised.
“Everything changed on Friday,” he said. “The advice changed, the threat level changed and, as a consequence, we took the only responsible course of action possible.”
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Will be a great relief to the NZ players families for sure to know they're out now.
What relief? They were never in harms way in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
I thought so, it will not be wholly a NZ govt decision to share the full details, it requires permission from all 5 eyes alliance members. Presumably it doesn't have that permission.Quote:
Originally Posted by MenInG
Tell that to the families of lost loved ones who perished at Kabul airport in spite of the fact they had full-proof security and were told there was no threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully
It's just verbal diarrhea from Indians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully
Not sure where to begin responding to such verbal diarrhea that's wrong on so many level. Sometimes statements are wrong on so many levels it's not worth responding to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
Tell that to the neighbouring countries who organised flights for their countrymen out of there before organising bombs at airports for those who didn't realise how deep the game had become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
Not sustainable in the long run. Only four big teams playing against each other over and over again means each of those teams having only three opponents to play against. It will eventually become boring like heck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilal Ahmad15
They were never under any threat. The credibility of the intel was probably at the same level as the credibility of the intel which led to an entire Afghani family being droned to smithereens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
Ridiculous , so annoying and almost anti-Pakistan statement. What relief you're talking about ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
These countries have non existent ground intelligence in Pakistan, so their intelligence capabilities are very limited in Pakistan. Most of it is probably focused on spying on Pakistani military anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SM1989
I know some will point to OBL and whatnot. This is more like the numerous botched drone strikes and less like the OBL raid. The OBL raid took years of intelligence gathering, this just happened within a matter of days.
True, but it's now becoming very common to see India, Australia and England play each other every year now, organising another bilateral series (or whatever) after another. At the beginning of this year, England tours India, and then India just tours England in the space of a couple of months, (rather than touring them after the usual two years)which is just ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
And now more than ever, cricket boards just pick and chose who they don't want to tour and play, while This year we have seen South African and New Zealand players choosing IPL rather than playing for their own countries (it doesn't matter if its Bangladesh or anyone else they are avoiding, International > IPL, but this will soon be the other way around, for most series).
The World Test Championship could be so much better if everyone plays everyone (except India v Pakistan, as they will probably never play each other in a series), and also if they stop with the 2-test match series. There's a lot more issues
Forget non-existence ground intelligence in Pakistan, they have non-existence ground intelligence back home! (Christchurch attacks!)
Kabul is not in Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
Reports are this is from 5 eyes, the Americans, Brits, Canada or the Aussie intelligence identified a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technics 1210
Glad it was picked up and the team was not possibly put in harms way.
Given the drastic actions and the comments made by David White and Jacinda, this was really serious.
Fortunately, the team is now in Dubai and can safely return home soon.
The point was the 5-eyes couldn't identify a threat in Christchurch so there's very little credibility in their capability of identifying a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aman
NZCB needs to be tried, legally sued for damages or be asked to make the intelligence public and to prove its authenticity
Given the fact that their intelligence is quite shoddy when they have no intelligence on the ground, such intelligence should be taken with a grain of salt. God knows how many people have been vaporized, weddings bombed based on their intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aman
glass houses and that stuff, Pakistan couldent stop an attack on the SL team so there is little credibility in their capacity to protect the Kiwi's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Technics 1210
Pakistan is not a member of the 5 eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
In the last ten years plus all foreign teams, players and officials have been protected in Pakistan so that is credibility for you right there. NZ should be the last to talk about credibility given how they failed to protect the Muslims from a white supremacist terrorist in ChristchurchQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
Lmao, some people will use that attack as an excuse in the year 2050 to not tour Pakistan. It's been 12 years now. If they didn't believe in Pakistan's capability to protect them they shouldn't have toured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
Just like Pakistan have no credibility when they failed to protect 9 Chinese nationals from terrorists in July. glass houses and that stuff again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savak
Lol the most insignificant white nation on earth with a population even less than Defence Karachi should be the last people on earth to talk about security and credibility given what their white supremacist terrorist did to those Muslims in ChristchurchQuote:
Originally Posted by ahsan17
It is not an excuse, it was to highlight how stupid it was to bring the Christchurch bombings into this issue, hence the glass house reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahsan17
Give the players of 5-eyes enough money and their security concerns will evaporate. IPL 2010.
Don't fall for the welfare of 5-eyes players malarky.
Christchurch attack is far more recent. Statistically, Pakistan is safer now then when teams used to regularly visit Pakistan. The number of terrorist attacks in Pakistan in the last few years have been very low. I don't really think it's even been as low as this in living memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
Whatever intelligence NZ got needs to be shared, otherwise it could have just been one of those intelligence that causes thousands of innocent people to get vaporized by drones in FATA and Afghanistan.
There was another suicide attack on Chinese engineers on 21st Aug. People are delusional and they claim Pakistan is the safest country on the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilly
Chinese haven't abandoned Pakistan. They are still continuing to come to work and live in Pakistan in large numbers. In comparison the NZ team had Presidential level security and the Pakistani govt had successfully provided security to all foreign teams visiting Pakistan and foreign players visiting and playing in Pakistan since 2009Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
Insignificant or not, every country has the right to safeguard the lives of their citizen. Not everybody is like our country where hundreds vanish each day and the government simply does not care!Quote:
Originally Posted by Savak
Pak should be the last country to talk about security given what terrorists did to Shias, Ahmedis, Hindus and Christians. You see the fallacy in your argument?
Of course, they cannot abandon Pakistan because $60 billion is at stake! It does not matter whether it security is presidential level or ministerial level, if you have audacious militants in your country who can strike at any moment, most people would not want to take a chance. Get rid of militants then you will have a point! Do you know Mullah Aziz of Lal Masjid verbally clashed with policemen and told them the Pakistani Taliban would take care of them? He has hoisted Taliban flags on his mosque and has given the government three days to implement Sharia. This is happening in Islamabad and our security forces cannot even touch Mullah Aziz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savak
My friend plays Over-50's hockey here in Australia. Each year her subscription is $195 club membership and $295 insurance, for an annual total of $490.
No insurance, no play.
International cricket is exactly the same. The moment a specific threat was made known to the New Zealand government, regarding the New Zealand cricket team, a process began which was only leading to one destination.
If New Zealand Cricket failed to disclose the threat to its insurer, or if they disclosed it and stayed on, their insurance became null and void.
No club team would play on without insurance, let alone a high profile national team. It's unthinkable.
Anyone who thinks that if the Kiwis were true friends they would have just ignored the warning and accepted Pakistani assurances (from the same people who had failed to detect the threat, no less) and stayed on and played the series is living in a fantasy world.
Perhaps Pakistanis knew about the supposed threat but either took care of it or thought it was not a credible threat? You don't even know what the threat was yet are pretending Pakistanis didn't know about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junaids
People keep posting on these threads that no threat existed!Quote:
Originally Posted by ahsan17
A pak friend of mine fwded me a link about pak TV anchors going nuts about BCCI involvement in NZ tour cancellation. I can understand knee jerk reactions and disapointment, frustrtion but this is taking things a bit far.
So in effect BCCI >> ICC which is the narrative on these threads on a default basis.
Would this also make BCCI >> NZ govt?
Seriously, you guys credit the lunk heads at BCCI with too much.
How about a bit of self introspection?
Start by telling your PM that the 'peaceful mob' in charge of affairs on your western front has prevented
women from playing the same game he once played at the highest level.
Start by distancing yourself from the taliban.
Start by gettig off the 'its someone else's fault' mindset and pysche.
As a cricket fan, i do feel sad for the cricket loving public of pak, also spare a thought for the security agencies and other agencies who must have worked so hard but it didnt come to frutition.
Good post! We need to do a lot of introspection.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrIc_Mystique
Not going to go in depth in this, but you don't have to live next door to them, Pakistan does. If Pakistan makes enemies out of them then they can cause more terrorism in Pakistan. Not having the western neighbour used as a terrorist safe haven (which the previous government was doing) against Pakistan will always Trump hosting tours for Pakistan. If that's the reason for not playing Pakistan, just come out and say it instead of pulling these shenanigans.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrIc_Mystique
I can quite understand your other posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
But this post is so incendiary that it doesnt even deserve a response.
You make it sound like they were under a siege and left with black ops commandos and nearly evaded death.
Thats pretty low.
Even for your biased standards.
People here keep getting New Zealand's intentions confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan24
They think that if they came, they had a good heart. That's not the case, it never has been and never will be. Your intention is determined by how you handled a problem. Simple fact is that NZC handled it in the way that would harm Pakistan the most.
Anyways, I hope that PCB'S case is fruitful, because to defend themselves, NZC will have to leak this evidence.
Yes, BCCI is not the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrIc_Mystique
Other things are political, don't want to discuss them here.
He was trolling the entire day. You have to understand the mentality of some of these Indian posters. In their mind, they are waging psychological warfare by posting crap like this. Overly doom and gloom, everything is going for Pakistan kind of posts for Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim
Ridiculous statment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savak
I lived 3 blocks from that mosque and some of my friends were caught up in that attack. Nothing like that has ever happened here before. Police arent even armed here.
I can tell you nobody here would blame a team for pulling out after that happened. In this country we put safety ahead of sport and the fans would understand. It sucks but they had no choice based on the information given. Direct your anger towards those who are making these threats.
The decision was being fully backed by the New Zealand Cricket Players Association.
After a long couple of days, the organisation's chief executive Heath Mills said the group's arrival in Dubai was a relief for everyone.
"Obviously for the players and their families it has been an anxious time, there's no doubt about that.
"So for them to exit Pakistan late last night and arrive safely in Dubai has been great for everyone. We're very pleased for that."
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/451...ur-of-pakistan
#ShameonBlackCaps trends on Pakistani Twitter.
Thanks. But still the trend and narrative still is 'never us, some else'.Quote:
Originally Posted by saeedhk
Am not saying the BCCI are perfect or so, hell - i never was a fan of them gadzillion guzzling suited sfiffs.
Lets hope the NZ govt come out with the reasons for this drastic step and we all move on, and improve more.
I swear that statement alone is acting as if they've just avoided some war :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by MenInG
Few people have mentioned that the intelligence cannot be shared because 5 eyes doesn't share it's intelligence, or because it's Pakistan/ISI.
5 eyes were sharing intelligence with Taliban and vice versa around the time the Afghan withdrawal time. So this argument around intelligence cannot be shared is just complete horse manure argument.
@UzmanBeast My bad for saying NZC were totally blameless in this.
The racist and condescending statements coming from their board have changed my opinion on them.
I refuse to believe there was any threat from the get-go. This was a malicious act of evil; nothing more, nothing less.
If you don't mind, could you share the statements they made? I can't find anything apart from what David White said about being safe and secure in Dubai.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
I agree, this was a political move.
What's worse, and I'm sure you'll agree, New Zealand are yet to apologize for the issues they created.
Nowhere have they apologized. Where is their decency? They are treating us like a carpet they can walk over.
I think it's high time we make a response to them, make it clear to them: if they want to introduce politics into sports, we can do the same. Until they share this evidence publicly, we will not tour them or engage in bilateral cricket with them.
They won't share anything publicly or privately, as per their own statement.
Thus making it impossible gauge what really happened.
If that's the case many other countries can next cancel a tour and point to it being a government decision and thus not viable for them to share in any capacity.
It's opened a can of worms that I hoped we left behind us with politics being played by certain countries.
They'll leak bits and pieces out to their local media, which they have already started to do - re bomb threats, email threats etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherlock
Where is the authenticity of these so-called threats? Anyone can come up with these types of fake threats and cancel any tour in future. Very bad trend indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saj
That’s because they have been forced to do it after seeing how they are being ‘torched’ as Aman said on social media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saj
I don’t think they are as stupid to underestimate how ferocious the backlash of this move was going to be considering this is a country where innocent Muslims were slaughtered by a white supremacist
If the hounding continues, they will most likely release the full details of the threat too
I have a feeling Pakistan and India will still resume ties at some point in an amicable manner, but NZ will continue to be viewed in the most despising way by Pakistanis for decades to come
This is getting extremely emotionally charged. I would like to know more about the specific reasons why the tour was cancelled at such a frustratingly late stage, but at the same time I do think some of the comments on PP and Twitter about the NZ team and nation are going a bit far.
https://www.geo.tv/latest/371346-eve...ef-david-whiteQuote:
Originally Posted by UzmanBeast
Absolutely. I was waiting for the dust to clear and give NZC the benefit of the doubt. But after reading their statements its clear to me that they have nothing to say besides making condescending comments about a threat whose information they didn't even care to share with Pakistan. And yes, nowhere did they apologize to us, but rather they want to paint us as the villains that put the lives of their players in danger.
PCB needs to not just stand tough on this issue but also give a strong response that doesn't hold back or mince words. They've caused us million of dollars of financial loss, on a whim they didn't even care to share with us. There should be consequences. And the political nature of the entire situation also cannot be ignored.
Disgraceful.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
Shameless cricket board. We do not deserve this treatment from them. We have been good to them, and this is how we are repaid.
Ramiz Raja needs to hold his word, we won't be rolled over so easily. The board has my full support if they pursue legal action against New Zealand, ban bilateral ties with NZC, and even if we boycott games against NZC in the future.
From some hearsay, I hear that Pakistan is preparing a full-fledged case against New Zealand by talking with the boards that toured, asking if they can give their two cents on the matter by making statements. They are talking with players and security personnel who visited to talk about the arrangements.
It's about time we make a stance. However, England is about to announce their decision soon, so I'd wait just a little while before making these moves. If England decides to tour, I'd hold this statement for a little while and then lash out at NZC once the tour has concluded.
David White or whoever their CEO is needs to get his brain checked. Hiding intelligence from us, and then painting us as villains, maybe he needs to start thinking with his brain rather than out of his ***.
NZ team had about as much say as me or you in this case. Not sure why anyone is mentioning them or NZC.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
The government on the other hand, im all for it. At the moment it is free season on pakistan as a whole from the country to the people, security agencies and foreign policy, so that is fueling the emotional responses, atleast on these board i though posters would have enough sense to keep the cricketers and cricket boards out of it.
Some of the stuff i have seen on social media and on here today is appalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by James
May i ask what was said that was racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
They think that their condescending behaviour towards Pakistan will be accepted in the world media because of Pakistan’s image as a nation that sponsors terrorism. There are plenty of sane people who will rip them to shreds for white supremacy as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by RedwoodOriginal
We are not in our senses at the moment. I would advise not to read too much into what we are saying at this point. However, I would admit that I chuckled at the “racist” part as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
Pathetic from NZ.
I get the emotion and the hard feelings its understandable. People need to vent right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mamoon
I however wont accept attacks on the NZ players. Most of this squad are fill ins who still work day jobs.
As for the racist part i will await evidence from the accuser.
I would imagine nothing at all. I would wait for the unfortunate emotional fallout to blow over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
The irrational vitriol being directed at the players and the cricket board really needs to stop. It has carried on for a fair few days now.
It will not actually do PAK’s stance any good, if anything it will shift focus from the matter at hand to mindless social media trolling which will inevitably get picked up.
Video taken before first ODI:
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What are they doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by MenInG
It appears that they are using metal detectors, did they think the stadium was jeopardized? Is this commonly done in Pakistan before international games, or is this a first?
Your board paints another nation as an unsafe country full of terrorists whose people are so unimportant that a 'supposed' terrorist threat in their country is not something they even need to be made aware of, and you're asking me what's said that was racist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Space Cat
Racism doesn't always have to be explicit. It can be implicit and still be perfectly obvious as well.