This is a country which locks down on a single covid case. Ofcourse any threat it will be exxagerated by them but it doesnt mean there wasnt any.
This is a country which locks down on a single covid case. Ofcourse any threat it will be exxagerated by them but it doesnt mean there wasnt any.
The public needs to know this specific threat otherwise the NZ government’s integrity will take a hit. The public should know what changed in the last 12 hours.
I agree it would be ignorance to say that. Teams like Aus, NZ and Eng might be the countries can take a back seat as they have some sort or similar security experts but, rest of the teams I expect to keep touring without much issues. Also we will see foreign players playing in PSL as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by sam_ahm
This is not sport but about geo politics
The west will come down hard on pakistan by taking these sorts of measures , red lists , sanctions .
Especially since pakistan is close to China, pakistan will be in the enemy camp according to the west .
So expect the worse In future , pakistan will be sidelined like iran since usa has no use
And people are bashing the NZ cricket team and board for putting players safety first amongst Govt level security threat intel. None of us know yet, so can we wait for the facts on all sides?Quote:
Originally Posted by JibranAnsari
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by mazkhan
What is wrong with you guys, If I am being told there is a security threat in my house, I'm gonna start checkingQuote:
Originally Posted by Aman
Doesn't meant it's actually real does it
Well can you blame them looking at the damage this has caused? maybe the nz govt should let everyone in on the secret first before pulling out gung ho like thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gullycricket
Auckland has been in lockdown for 5 weeks... Everywhere else in NZ was in level 3/4 for several weeks despite there not being any cases in those regions.
We go hard and fast when it comes to threats.
Enough teams have toured in last two years to Pak. So no point in giving special treatment to any team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
Cowards. They lock themselves down on a single covid caseQuote:
Originally Posted by Abdullah
Absolutely I agree with you, abandon all tours to Nz in future sighting christchurch terrorists attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARJ_BD
Agree with @unemployedgm. If there is such an imminent threat why isn't it being shared with Pakistan so we can protect our general public and the cricket team?
To match the theatrics of NZ correctly, Pak should abandon after taking the field but before bowling the first ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by cric_4life
Absolutely horrendous to think how people think NZ are the epitome of Spirit of Cricket.
Would be a big financial loss for PCB here as well.
NZ's security consultants couldn't stop a horrifying attack on a mosque where so many people died which was carried out by someone who wasn't even from NZ.
On the other hand, random guys are allowed to invade the pitch posing as cricketers again and again which is for some reason thought to be funny.
Pak should strengthen their cricket relations with SA, Ban, WI and even England(more English people are familiar with Pak than NZ).
And the last but not least, the pathetic government has failed in probably every sector. Things like this were always on the cards.
Absolutely horrendous to think how people think NZ are the epitome of Spirit of Cricket.
Would be a big financial loss for PCB here as well.
NZ's security consultants couldn't stop a horrifying attack on a mosque where so many people died which was carried out by someone who wasn't even from NZ.
On the other hand, random guys are allowed to invade the pitch posing as cricketers again and again which is for some reason thought to be funny.
Pak should strengthen their cricket relations with SA, Ban, WI and even England(more English people are familiar with Pak than NZ).
And the last but not least, the pathetic government has failed in probably every sector. Things like this were always on the cards.
Yeah right. That was why they were not able to counter the mosque attack and were unaware of that threat or that time they did not take that threat seriously ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aman
As per news NZ security experts werent able to share single concrete information to Pak security agencies. So if they know something only NZ players lives are of value? None in Pak?
Then why did they come to the country in the first place? The article was posted a month ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
Perhaps it's not quite that simply. Again, none of us know the specifics yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip32
They still should have shared the matter with the PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Crazy day it has been! Feel so sorry for the fans and our players. Walking out of the tour by taking a unilateral approach on a security threat is very frustrating. Especially when it’s not shared!! Which world is NZ living in??NZ will hear us at ICC.</p>— Ramiz Raja (@iramizraja) <a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja/status/1438829120364978183?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Clearly something happened today, and if it was to do with possible threats against the NZ team, that might have been the association, but I'm not claiming to know for sure, because unlike others here, I don't mind saying I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip32
Are you suggesting NZ cricket planned this all in advance to start the tour and pull out the day of the first match?
What will the ICC do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip32
They couldn’t care less if we are completely destroyed as a cricket nation
Must be a real threat otherwise NZ would not have travelled so far just for the matches to be cancelled. NZ Cricket is not that wealthy that they can afford to waste money.
Feel sorry for Pak fans.
They should have not visited the country in first place instead of this last minute cancellation.
Their source is apparently 5 eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip32
And what is the threat? They are not even sharing it. Pathetic from New Zealand.Quote:
Originally Posted by PakLFC
All I'm saying is that if the threats being made are so significant that they felt the need to abandon the tour immediately then that information needs to be shared with Pakistan and the PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
The PCB has worked hard for 10+ years to bring international cricket back in the country and this decision has sent us right back to square one.
Good response from Rameez. Fortunately, we do not have compromised leaders anymore. IK will not take lightly to this. Expecting a stern response.
If NZ haven't shared any info then I don't know what the hell is happening, tbh.
Amazes me so many here are acting like there's no reason for the overseas teams to be worried in the slightest tour Pakistan. As if there wasn't a bombing outside the New Zealand team hotel in 2002, or the that the attack on SL players never happened in 2009. People are wondering why on earth the NZ cricket would be worried at all fresh off the back of a security from their own Govt?
C'mon Guys - these are humans lives, and this is a game of cricket. Where is the context here?
Brilliant response by rameez. Much needed. Heard that NZL called off the tour coz of a threat alert issued by the british high commission.
As mentioned not a single concrete fact shared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip32
As a fan or cricket I want to see cricket however, I will happily accept if Pak doesnt tour NZ in coming years i am happy to see no Pak cricket then cricket with countries which embarrass you and make the decision just before the toss to maximize the impact.
So as a fan I am okay even if Pak cricket has to go into exile. If you want Pak to tour then tour Pak when it your turn, if not then fair play and no one should blame Pak as well for not touring.
PS; nothing wrong emotional here but, you deal politics with politics. Pak cricket team has no obligation to earn money for other boards if they are not willing to reply the same courtesy and that too without anything credible
But that was before the USA mucked the region up.Quote:
Originally Posted by unemployedgm
No. He should have been even more stern. You don’t leave last minute and without sharing any information. Seems like only their lives are important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherlock
NZ is in our group. Our boys will be eager to smash them back to Auckland :akhtar:sk:afridi.
Good response from PCB. Had Sethi/Zaka was there they would apologize to NZC board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip32
Mate they check my car for a bomb when I go to the mall. Shall I leave the countryQuote:
Originally Posted by Aman
Will do so in their own time. They may still be feeling insecure.Quote:
Originally Posted by PakEngFan
Agree with this. I hope we don’t tour them next time and even when we do leave without any play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan24
Once again, none of us are security experts. It's only been a matter of hours. Maybe they will disclose at some time, and maybe they do not believe there is a threat on Pakistan civilians. Can we take a breath and wait for some facts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chip32
Inshallah when Pak Cricket is ever strong we will remember NZ, England and others who let us down. I am not talking about India, not playing them is due to politics.
Ok so only their lives matter then?Quote:
Originally Posted by PakLFC
I'm not trying to be smart here, just honest. If my car had to be checked for bombs when I went shopping, I might very well consider living elsewhere. Many do for those reasons, I know some of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by zarak
NZC is losing money by pulling out of this series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shafi
This. Our team is mediocre anyways and PSL has become a big thing. We can actually afford to take a hit now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan24
Nothing in comparison to home board. Just before the toss (Imagine). Other than Broadcasting for Nz maybe, nothing financially worth even looking twice is involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aman
If I was evil I would wish something really bad to happen to NZ team in their own backyard…but i wont do that..
I had the evil thought cause i am only human…
I dismissed the evil thought as i always try to be a good human.
Bizarre post, are you okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by gazza619
Same. Learn to stand up for justice at any costQuote:
Originally Posted by Titan24
I don't think terrorists would only have attacked NZ players. Yes to them their lives would naturally come first. It is human nature to think this way. They are Cricketers not soldiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by PakEngFan
Whosoever will incur the financial losses, they are the guilty party, or has something to hide, in this last minute change.
After some days all this drama of security threats will end... when these black caps will join IPL
Could look at a full cricket seasons of PSLQuote:
Originally Posted by Titan24
Nothing to blame... but Pakistan have the every excuse for not playing against RAW & RSS based teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Titan24
Finn Allen is the only player in the squad who has an IPL contract I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Crickekter
So 2 of the Big 3 are using Pak and NZ as footballs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Crickekter
Pretty much. If you dont want to play, excuses can be many and when you can wrap them in the coat of “intel” which you dont even have to share and “players live” who can even debate you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Crickekter
So literally you can opt out of any match, series or tournament while using good enough excuses so that no one can even point a finger at you.
That's not normal for NZ..Quote:
Originally Posted by zarak
Their own government intelligence did nothing for that Mosque attack, did PCB use it as an excuse?
Stop defending a nation that brews cowardice.
They provided no reason, nothing changed in the last 24 hours that I am aware of.
Do the lives of our players matter less that we toured NZ during the peak of COVID and the Christchurch Mosque Attack?
Look around yourself, this is just a farce. It is time we put New Zealand Cricket in their place as a meek, unprofitable board. I want to see us boycott future series against them, even this WC game. It's time we give them a statement.
Interior minister of Pak has also stated, not a single concrete fact was provided. As per him NZ PM told Pak PM that there was some intel that when Nz team will leave there would be some attack to which Pak PM assured security. There is not a such single intel received by any of the other agencies involved.
This is Shameful from New Zealand. You been in the country for Week with no issues, should reveal what the security “alert” was.
This is a period of great depression for Pakistan fans and supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snatch
Imagine a country hosting multiple armies including US and many others who are evacuating the Afg region and somehow NZ team isnt safe.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On a HOAX threat you have called-off the tour despite all assurances!! <a href="https://twitter.com/BLACKCAPS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BLACKCAPS</a> do you understand the IMPACT of your decision?</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1438821754739347457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
How does it even matter as this is not part of the super series so points dont come into consideration. Whereas the ENg vs IND series had points at stake and also a historic series win in the balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric
Why didn't Pakistan reschedule the series in Bangladesh/UAE?
More I am getting news from Pakistan, NZ should have trusted the security intelligence of Pakistan. But I still don't understand what was severity that country pm had to discuss!
Lol, so who will Pak be friends with? Despite this slight we are still in no position to create more enemies.Quote:
Originally Posted by PakLFC
Not sure how or in what world Pakistan become as strong as ever either. All signs point to the opposite.
Unless something big happened/was discovered in the ground since it was the NZC ground security who gave intel which resulted in the cancellation of the tour, I'm not sure the reason holds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junaids
It seems like a unilateral decision by NZC to abandon the tour at the last minute because the PCB hasn't conveyed any sign of an intel threat to the game in its press release. The least NZ can do is forfeit the tour like you kept asking the Indian team to do so (and similarly the future series with Eng and Aus if they pull out as well). At least with the ECB, it's just financial damage. With PCB, this last minute cancellation has most definitely caused reputational damage for Pakistan and has likely risked the chances of future tours from England and Australia happening in the country.
Why would anyone want to threat New Zealand cricket team? Who is playing these dark games?
This is beyond politics and a deplorable act. Pakistan will continue to suffer unless a cost is not imposed on its enemy. We give too much space to this enemy and this is the end-result. Pakistanis will suffer and will be isolated again will help our enemy and ICC rake in moolah from India v Pakistan match. Really feel sick of this game and now boycotting it. Former cricketer YouTubers are too cowardly to take a stance, PCB is too cowardly to take a stance and withdraw from wt20. Better now for the public to do something. South African Cricket remained isolated for 22 years but played cricket with honour. You don't feel any honour or self-respect as a Pakistani with cricket anymore. Time to abandon cricket and invest in other sports.
I just hope it's not a hoax because if it was then they've put everything Pakistan has done over the past few years further back.
Couple pointers
1. It’s not Pakistan’s current government fault so please stop making this political issue nothing has happened.
2. Does New Zealand cricket players lives matter more then Pakistani citizens, if not share the concerns to see if it’s legit, if players lives matter more then don’t ever come back, including PSL.
Usuall conspiracy theoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by syedahsan
Just tuned in, this is so tragic - what would have changed in the last 24 hours?
If they were ready to rock up in pak, check into the hotels, be assured of all security, do their practice sessions-pose with the trophy - what exactly did the NZ govt discover that made them take this extreme step? the answer would be very intresting and revealing i supposse.
Truly sad for the honest cricket loving fans of pakistan and for those on PP who were excited to see NZ play on pak shores, this is so bad.
Yea right. And I guess you will say the same should Eng pull out.Quote:
Originally Posted by syedahsan
And Santa Claus exists, keep the window open m8.
It’s called double standards. The same would happen to any Indian tour-no cancellation, security threat or COVID or not— least not by the touring board anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by abdulrafay33
I think they were struggling to find good IPL streams in Pakistan so a bold step had to be taken. Or perhaps some resentment from missing out on that lucrative tourney.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrIc_Mystique
Just reading up on this now. No specific threat by NZ mentioned. If they don't mention a threat soon, Pakistan should refuse to tour NZ in the future citing security concerns from white supremacists.