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    Pakistani players are cheats? (by Rashid Latif)

    Karachi: The man who blew the whistle against corruption in cricket, Rashid Latif has spotted a few loopholes in the latest spot-fixing saga involving three Pakistani cricketers Salman Butt, Muhammad Asif and Muhammad Amir. Talking to this correspondent, Rashid Latif highlighted some facts that could change the whole complexion of the ongoing probe into the scandal. Following is the analysis of the case by Rashid Latif in his own words.

    Match or Player fixing is a part and parcel of game but it mostly happens in football and then cricket. In this latest case, I am sure that Mazhar Majeed and Mazhar Mehmood are working together on a single agenda of making money. In this controversy only two parties got benefited (1) News of the World (2) Mazhar Majeed.

    Mazhar Majeed, who is already a millionaire, must have charged a hefty sum of money for this story published in the News of the World (NOTW). As far as I know, Mazhar’s brother Azhar Majeed owns a company named TBL which manages players and entire signings in 2006 and 2007 of Pakistani players were handled by Azhar Majeed’s company.

    I have no doubt in my mind that Mazhar Majeed had meetings with boys and at any point I am not trying to prove the cricketers as innocent, but in view of my experience I can see some utter ambiguities in the whole saga.

    In my opinion, the story by the NOTW that took the world by storm, was released a bit too early, which indicates that they lack solid evidence against the players or their sole purpose is to make money rather than cleanse the game of cricket. Later, the way Yasir Hameed was recorded clearly shows that they needed more evidence against Amir, Salman and Asif. According to a story published by www.theaustralian.com.au , Mazhar Majeed (bookie) claimed that two one-day games against England would also be fixed as the players hated the ODI captain Shahid Afridi and wanted Salman Butt, who he claimed to control, to get the job. (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225911625723)

    Here my point is that if they were on a mission to expose the corruption in cricket then they should have waited for the ODI series to get over, and with the help of the ICC, the Anti-Corruption Unit and the Scotland Yard they could easily expose the culprits. It is also possible that upon an offer of fixing ODIs the boys might have turned it down. It was strange for a person like me, who has been working against this malpractices since last 15 years, that why did not they wait for the ODI series?

    In my playing career I witnessed such incidents many times, and I can recall at least two occasions where Mazhar Mehmood was involved. In 2000 during a tour to the West Indies a trap similar to the one for Yasir Hameed was tried upon a Pakistani player however a prior warning from a former skipper saved him. Later in 2000, Mazhar Mehmood tried to trick Saleem Malik but again the former captain became saviour and Malik put the second meeting with Mazhar Mehmood on hold but in first meeting with Malik and Mazher Mehmood,Malik disclosed about some ICC officials also involved. Normally at first they ask players not to loose a match but do a bit of spot-fixing such as delivering deliberate NO or WIDE balls, but in the next phase players are pushed for fixing matches also.

    It is widely believed that only Pakistani players are involved in this practice, but I have seen it all very closely and I can easily say that players from every country do it. The problem with Pakistani or even with Indian players is that they get friendly with strangers within no time. In contrast, players from other countries remain careful and deal with a particular person for a longer period of time. I am not trying to prove that the Pakistani players are innocent but I have made a resolve to get to the bottom of this issue.

    Coming back to Mazhar Majeed, who is a British born man, and was shown in the video with a huge amount of cash in his possession. The thing which amazed me is that when a person like me who spends his summers in England tries not to carry cash and does all the transactions either online or via debit card. The big question is that how can Mazhar Majeed carry out a deal in cash. In England such huge cash dealing is only carried out in drug business therefore it gives me an impression that the money on the table was obtained through drug trafficking. By the look of things it is obvious that the showing of cash is also a part of the setup. In the printed story published on the website of the NOTW it is mentioned that spot-fixing was done in a match played on May 10th between Pakistan and Sri Lanka, however that day Pakistan played against South Africa instead. I once again would like to make it clear that my agenda is not to prove that the Pakistani players had never been involved in malpractices.

    I have also spotted another blunder in the reported conversation between Mazhar Majeed and Mazhar Mehmood published by the NOTW which gave me the initial feeling that this saga could be full of loopholes. Following is the conversation

    Reporter: What does that mean, a script?
    Majeed: In other words, this bowler is going to concede this many runs or more. This
    batsman's going to do this.
    Reporter: Right, so he'll be out before 20?
    Majeed: Exactly...

    Mr. Majeed who portrayed himself as the bookie gave a totally wrong definition of the word “Script”. This word along with its meaning is clearly mentioned in my column published on 24th July 2010 at Cricinfo. The T20 match between West Indies and Zimbabwe can be seen as a classic example. Before the start of the match the rate was 10/1 for Zimbabwe but if the match was scripted in Zimbabwe’s favour then one would witness swings in the match to trigger rate fluctuation and that was exactly happened in the match. Zimbabwe won the toss, elected to bat and scored 105 runs. With this score the rate fluctuated to 25/1 in favour of West Indies. However, West Indies lost the match by 26 runs. One can argue that they (West Indies) followed a script and after pushing the market rate they lost. So this is the real definition of “script” not the one given by the bookie in the NOTW article. Bear in mind that I am not at all claiming that the above mentioned match was fixed.

    Whatever was done by Muhammad Amir, whether on the behest of Salman Butt or Mazhar Majeed, is a crime and stern punishment should be handed out to him if he is found guilty. My philosophy is to make an example out of a person who enjoys public sympathies the most. If I have to award the punishment to Amir (if he is found guilty) then apart from imposing a life ban I would award him a two-year jail sentence too, because as compare to Salman and Asif, the harsh sentence to Amir would send a very powerful signal to other players. I am not at all against Amir, but for the sake of cricket a player like Amir is to be presented as an example. I know that the ICC’s code of conduct provides a young player with a liberty to escape harsh punishments and I also know that Amir would eventually getaway and at the most he would be suspended for a certain period.

    As far as Salman Butt is concerned I would admit that I was not expecting such a blunder from him which not only plunged the Pakistan Cricket into a deep crisis but tarnish the image of the country as well. I would blame Salman Butt because due to his carelessness he along with other players fell into a trap. Now I would urge Salman Butt to apologise to the cricketing world and reveal whatever he knows about fixing in the game. He should not hesitate in taking names of the past and current players involved in the malpractice. This move from Salman Butt will ultimately benefit cricket and the ICC.

    I am not talking about Pakistan only, but he (Salman) should also expose any wrongdoing he witnessed elsewhere especially in the Indian Premier League (IPL).

    Usually a bookie never comes to the fore instead his punters deal with players for fixing. What amazed me is that in only the second meeting the bookie (Mazhar Majeed) told the reporter (Mazhar Mehmood) that a few players were in his pocket and he would charge around half a million pounds to fix the test match. What I know is that the amount of risk is higher in a test match and the money that was asked was too less for me to believe. According to a story published by the NOTW, the bookie made $1.3 million out of the Sydney test. Also, as a normal practice a fixer do ask the names of the players who are ready to fix a match, but in this case Mazhar Mehmood did not. What I understand is that since it was a setup therefore both Mazhar Majeed and Mazhar Mehmood did not take names otherwise they could face a legal challenge for the players. Let me tell you that 10 years back Mazhar Mehmood approached Salim Malik for the same purpose and Malik asked for a sum of around half a million pound even then. In the past 10 years the rate of fixing amount has increased by 300 per cent and a team ask for around 5-6 million pounds to throw a match. Also, according to the story, the bookie (Mazhar Majeed) said he was aware of the outcome of the Sydney test in advance which Pakistan lost from a commanding position. Let me take you back to January 2010, when Pakistan and Australia were playing the second test of the series in Sydney. At the end of the third day’s play Australia in their second inning were leading by 10 runs with only two wickets remaining. The reports of the day suggest that the rate was 40-1 – there is a saying in India and Pakistan that if you are sure of winning a bet then put the entire money you have on it - but Mazhar Majeed surprisingly opted for $32,500 only when he knew that Pakistan despite being in the commanding position would eventually loose the match. According to his figures, He could have gained around $8 million upon investing only $200,000. In the story the rate was mentioned as 40/1 but due to my investigation the rate of the day was 10/1. Following are the rates of the day which can be verified as well.

    Before the test match
    Australia 40 cents/1 (Against $100 on Australia you will get $40)
    Pakistan $7.5/1 (Pakistan’s win will increase $100 to $750)
    Rate for a draw was $4/1 (If you bet $100 you will get $400)

    Rates of the last inning
    $10/1 if Australia win
    Cent 8/1 if Pakistan win
    $100/1 for a draw


    Here I would like to question the management of the NOTW which published the figures without a thorough re-check. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) can also raise this issue in the court of law and I have no doubt that they win a plea in case the Sydney test is questioned by the NOTW.

    This development reminds me of a story which was made by the BBC Panorama three years ago in which a renowned clothing store (Prime Mark) was sealed after it was exposed that the owner of the outlet employed underage labour in Bangladesh and India. Since the English law does not allow child labour therefore the clothing store was boycotted by people. Later the owner apologised and resumed his business. The reason of narrating this story is to highlight a fact that the laws of the sub-continent are way different from the West. In the sub-continent if a child does not work then a family would suffer and ultimately this “child labour” represents the national cricket team. The point is that the circumstances in the sub-continent are not the same as in the west. If the ICC takes a step and send its management to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to educate the youngsters and even then the boys of this region commit such mistakes then they deserve stern punishments.

    Coming back to the Sydney test, if the match was fixed then concrete evidence must exist such as money transfer receipts or players would be given property or a video evidence etc. If concrete evidence is presented then I would be the first person to demand a lifetime ban for the whole team. Everyone tags Pakistanis as cheats, I am also a Pakistani and I am proud of it. My question is that when I started fighting against this menace and brought to light the matter, where were the other cricket boards then? Instead some boards put a lid on the issue and even protected their key players.

    If we specifically talk about the spot-fixing then I would say that every act can’t be proved but doubtful activities could be judged. Remember the first ball of the 2006-07 Ashes series, which was bowled by Steve Harmison. The ball was pitched wide and went further away and eventually grabbed by a first slip fielder. Now it can be called an error as well as spot-fixing but nobody questioned Harmison’s intentions because such practices were not common then.

    Another incident was of 2005 test match between Pakistan and Australia in Sydney. At that time I was doing research on the spot-fixing. I created an account on www.bet365.com . During the match Australia had lost three wickets and Michael Clark and Adam Gilchrist were at the wicket. For the fourth wicket the rate of stump out was 15-1 (bear in mind that the last batsman was also stumped). In view of that situation I thought that the next batsman would also be stumped, hence I put 5 pounds. After 20 minutes Michael Clark was stumped off Kaneria and I earned 75 pounds. On the 5th wicket the rate of stump-out fell to 1-11. I again put 5 pounds and later I got 55 pounds as the batsman again got stumped. (The scorecard and the betting receipts are attached). Imagine if I had collectively put 2000 pounds then how much had I earned?

    Now another point of concern for me is the presence of a laptop in the dressing rooms with internet connection which is mostly used by a coach. In my view, the laptop with internet connection should not be allowed in the dressing room because players can use it for betting on their wickets. I am not saying that both players (Clark and Gilchrist) were involved in spot-fixing but the sequence of events was enough to create a doubt in my mind. Imagine if a player had put 5000 pound at a rate of 15/1 then without a shadow of suspicion he would have easily earned 75000 pounds and since he was not caught hence would not be called a culprit. Here I want to say that a player is called a cheat only when he is caught otherwise nobody points a finger at him, and believe me 50 per cent of the players fall in this category. I was an average player yet I was offered money for wrongdoings and I brought it into the knowledge of the ICC then how would I believe that offers are not made to top players. The reality is that they don’t disclose it to the ICC. Now people would question that why am I supporting it despite being the whistleblower, the fact of the matter is that whatever I witnessed was happened with me and I did not have a solid evidence like a video etc. I had witnesses that why I kept on fighting.

    In this case Mazhar Majeed and Mazhar Mehmood are telling a half truth which is even more lethal than a blatant lie. Being a Pakistani I had no choice but to poke my nose in and reveal the facts. My strive is to unearth the reality behind this episode that these guys have no interest whatsoever in cricket; they are in fact doing it for money only.

    People often tag Pakistanis as cheats, okay I agree with it to some extent but what about the guy who broke the story for the News of the World – HE IS ALSO A CHEAT (Pakistani).



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    Many thanks to Rash for sending this article to PakPassion.



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    come on rashid I really enjoyed the article and you made some valid points but two years in jail?? What kinda logic is this

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    how is Majeed benefitting?isnt he arrested by SY?maybe wouldn have happened but for NOTW

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    Whe is he so harsh on Amer?

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    Great article.


    we will not miss a 'never will be' like Malik. Drop Him For Good.

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    I love how Latif always adds his 2 rupees worth when these stories come out. If he knows so much why not say things before?

    Attention seeking as per usual.

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    Rates of the last inning
    $10/1 if Australia win
    Cent 8/1 if Pakistan win
    $100/1 for a draw
    These odds dont seem normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    I love how Latif always adds his 2 rupees worth when these stories come out. If he knows so much why not say things before?

    Attention seeking as per usual.
    Well he has said stuff before but he's only getting an audience now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Karachi: The man who blew the whistle against corruption in cricket, Rashid Latif has spotted a few loopholes in the latest spot-fixing saga involving three Pakistani cricketers Salman Butt, Muhammad Asif and Muhammad Amir. Talking to this correspondent, Rashid Latif highlighted some facts that could change the whole complexion of the ongoing probe into the scandal. Following is the analysis of the case by Rashid Latif in his own words.

    Match or Player fixing is a part and parcel of game but it mostly happens in football and then cricket. In this latest case, I am sure that Mazhar Majeed and Mazhar Mehmood are working together on a single agenda of making money. In this controversy only two parties got benefited (1) News of the World (2) Mazhar Majeed.

    Mazhar Majeed, who is already a millionaire, must have charged a hefty sum of money for this story published in the News of the World (NOTW).
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    At this point I stopped reading the rest of the article. Majeed may go to prison, his football club is on the verge of collapse, HM Customs are after all his assets, in short his lavish jet-setting lifestyle is at an end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    how is Majeed benefitting?isnt he arrested by SY?maybe wouldn have happened but for NOTW
    That's what I don't get either. Why would he sully his name and reputation? He'll probably get lynched if he ever set foot in Lahore or Karachi.

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    He was on TV a couple days ago, talking about this. He definitely knows what he is talking about.

    Had it been anyone else, it would have been a different story. But if someone like Rashid Latif or Sarfraz Nawaz comes and starts picking out loopholes in the NOTW story, those who know these two would definitely be prompted to get up and take notice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    At this point I stopped reading the rest of the article. Majeed may go to prison, his football club is on the verge of collapse, HM Customs are after all his assets, in short his lavish jet-setting lifestyle is at an end.


    We still have to actually see him go to prison.


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    Two years for 2 no balls.

    You get less for driving causing death, violence and sexual abuse,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    I love how Latif always adds his 2 rupees worth when these stories come out. If he knows so much why not say things before?

    Attention seeking as per usual.

    What you on about? The guy is ALWAYS talking about this, sometimes to the point of being annoying, especially when the team is winning games.

    It's just that now that this scandal has popped up, people are actually listening to him.


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    Rashid Latif through as usual, this man should have been made CEO of PCB in 2000, but unfortunately he is not a Punjabi, so nobody is going to listen to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maula Jutt View Post
    We still have to actually see him go to prison.
    personally I don't think anyone will go to prison, but if anyone does it will be him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maula Jutt View Post
    What you on about? The guy is ALWAYS talking about this, sometimes to the point of being annoying, especially when the team is winning games.

    It's just that now that this scandal has popped up, people are actually listening to him.
    RL seems to have so much knowledge about it then why doesnt he report it the ICC to deal with rather then usually public tell tale stories in public!

    People would listen to him more if he used right channels to make his remarks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    RL seems to have so much knowledge about it then why doesnt he report it the ICC to deal with rather then usually public tell tale stories in public!

    People would listen to him more if he used right channels to make his remarks!
    He did.

    In 2003, he sent them a whole report about matchfixing and spot fixing. They didnt take any step.

    He then even suggested to them to hold a dummy match somewhere in UAE and he will help them catch the matchfixers in action. They didn't pay heed.

    That's why he says anti-corruption of ICC is useless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maula jutt View Post
    he was on tv a couple days ago, talking about this. He definitely knows what he is talking about.

    Had it been anyone else, it would have been a different story. But if someone like rashid latif or sarfraz nawaz comes and starts picking out loopholes in the notw story, those who know these two would definitely be prompted to get up and take notice.
    + 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    personally I don't think anyone will go to prison, but if anyone does it will be him
    As I said, let's just hold on till we see him actually going to prison.

    His club was already in doldrums. With his declared accounts seized, he would be only to happy to be rid of the club where he had to pay everyone with their checks bouncing and what not. If he can allegedly make Swiss accounts for the players, then what's stopping him from making one for himself?

    If he doesn't go to prison, do expect him to get off the radar by quitting UK and going somewhere else to live the good life. Rashid Latif's claim about him making big money off of this scandal may not be too much off the mark, you know.

    we have to wait and see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    I love how Latif always adds his 2 rupees worth when these stories come out. If he knows so much why not say things before?

    Attention seeking as per usual.
    he's not...... he slapped on PCB that they don't how to save their palyers!!

    he told this before also! i guess u dont know about it!

    when the allegations broke out on the players, he investigated himself unlike other player who wants attention and PCB who doesn't know anything!

    what do u want from a person who doesn't have any relation with the issue..!!

    great statistical and logical facts by latif!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    RL seems to have so much knowledge about it then why doesnt he report it the ICC to deal with rather then usually public tell tale stories in public!

    People would listen to him more if he used right channels to make his remarks!


    he reported to ICC many times! he said that he had several meetings with ICC on this issue! They don't talk much about fixing, they rather say that stay away from unknown people. U should have watched the program before posting!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fish View Post
    These odds dont seem normal.
    I agree,
    Thats for last innings (10/1) and not at the end of 2nd last day.(40-1)...
    big turn-off for me.
    Last edited by Black Zero; 10th September 2010 at 23:49.

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    I dont understand how Latif can come up with the conclusion that Majeed and Mahmood are linked in some way, especially when the former is probably going to lose everything he owned?

    Also the company mentioned by Latif, TBL finished many years ago.

    If Latif knows that non Pak players have been involved, then I want Latif to name names. Come on if you are so sure, give us names.

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    Phew! can easily qualify for the longest post on PP... hehehe.. going to read it now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodger View Post
    I dont understand how Latif can come up with the conclusion that Majeed and Mahmood are linked in some way, especially when the former is probably going to lose everything he owned?

    Also the company mentioned by Latif, TBL finished many years ago.

    If Latif knows that non Pak players have been involved, then I want Latif to name names. Come on if you are so sure, give us names.


    he has given names also to ICC..... but nothing happened!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maula Jutt View Post
    He was on TV a couple days ago, talking about this. He definitely knows what he is talking about.

    Had it been anyone else, it would have been a different story. But if someone like Rashid Latif or Sarfraz Nawaz comes and starts picking out loopholes in the NOTW story, those who know these two would definitely be prompted to get up and take notice.
    Honestly, when I saw his interview couple of days ago, it was the first time I considered these players being innocent. For someone who has been talking about match-fixing for last 2 decades, you'd expect him to come up with that 'look I told you so' attitude. But he instead came to their defense, gotta to pay more head to that.

    There is more to it then what meets the eye

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    Who is the real cheat in spot-fixing saga?

    Rashid bhai article in today's dawn

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...ixing-saga-090

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    fantastic article although I do disagree with a couple of minor points. One being the Amir ban and the emphasis of punishment to be larger on him than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tay'yab-Ali Malik View Post
    Two years for 2 no balls.

    You get less for driving causing death, violence and sexual abuse,
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    come on rashid I really enjoyed the article and you made some valid points but two years in jail?? What kinda logic is this
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    Whe is he so harsh on Amer?
    Lol.. Don't take his comment "literally". He doesn't want to actually send Amir to jail.
    He wants to make Amir an example for others..and give them the upcoming young cricketers a strong message that they cannot enjoy undue advantage of their age.

    In BKBH, he said that Amir should be the one who should get a bigger punishment than others and he should not be forgiven because he's 18 years old. He said "in that way, we'll see other 18 year olds (in the future) committing the same crime thinking that they will be forgiven because they are young, just like Amir was!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    RL seems to have so much knowledge about it then why doesnt he report it the ICC to deal with rather then usually public tell tale stories in public!

    People would listen to him more if he used right channels to make his remarks!
    Lots of players have reported to the ICC, many including Australians and Sri Lankans who have suddenly started singing like canaries since this scandal broke. At least Rashid has been loudly vociferous on this topic for a long time now, unlike the rest who are all moral guardians in retrospect.

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    Strange article. Full of suggestion and speculation. Admits to gambling online to prove his point?? Was expecting something a bit better from Rashid sahib following his last intriguing article on cricinfo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Coming back to Mazhar Majeed, who is a British born man, and was shown in the video with a huge amount of cash in his possession. The thing which amazed me is that when a person like me who spends his summers in England tries not to carry cash and does all the transactions either online or via debit card. The big question is that how can Mazhar Majeed carry out a deal in cash. In England such huge cash dealing is only carried out in drug business therefore it gives me an impression that the money on the table was obtained through drug trafficking
    LOL. How naive. Only drug dealers can carry and supply large amounts of cash, for all other illeagal transactions use debit card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moumotta View Post
    LOL. How naive. Only drug dealers can carry and supply large amounts of cash, for all other illeagal transactions use debit card.
    I know it beggars belief

    likewise he comes out with this

    "Mazhar Majeed, who is already a millionaire, must have charged a hefty sum of money for this story published in the News of the World (NOTW)"

    no rationale or evidence to support that ridiculous statement, his entire article is wild speculation and nit-picking over immaterial details like the definition of 'script' in the betting world.

    I note that Latif doesn't speculate on just how much that hefty sum of money was that Majeed accepted from the NOTW to set the players up, because he knows just how flimsy an argument it is and it would make the rest of his article redundant.

    When you cut through all the ******** it all comes down to these basic facts:

    1. Majeed is an agent for the players concerned
    2. Majeed was filmed on video accepting £150k in return for arranging 3 no-balls to happen at pre-determined dates
    3. The players concerned delivered the no-balls as arranged.
    4. Majeed is not benefiting in any way whatsoever from this scandal, in fact he stands to lose the most

    those are the facts of the case and it's going to take more than a "a pig-headed refusal to stare facts in the face will see us through" attitude to make those facts go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    4. Majeed is not benefiting in any way whatsoever from this scandal, in fact he stands to lose the most
    That is not a fact, only an estimate. Perhaps this post from MJ will put things in perspective for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Maula Jutt View Post
    let's just hold on till we see him actually going to prison.

    His club was already in doldrums. With his declared accounts seized, he would be only to happy to be rid of the club where he had to pay everyone with their checks bouncing and what not. If he can allegedly make Swiss accounts for the players, then what's stopping him from making one for himself?

    If he doesn't go to prison, do expect him to get off the radar by quitting UK and going somewhere else to live the good life. Rashid Latif's claim about him making big money off of this scandal may not be too much off the mark, you know.

    we have to wait and see.

    I'm not backing RL's claims, only pointing out that there are more perspectives in Majeed's case which you've conveniently ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Lots of players have reported to the ICC, many including Australians and Sri Lankans who have suddenly started singing like canaries since this scandal broke. At least Rashid has been loudly vociferous on this topic for a long time now, unlike the rest who are all moral guardians in retrospect.
    I guess these players (Watson, Vincent etc.) are simply frustrated at ICC & ASCU. The fact that incidents have been reported in the past yet ASCU have let them through is at best frustrating, and at worst, suspicious. Yes I'd call them suspicious more than anyone else coz they've allowed many corrupt bookies to get away

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    Mazhar Majeed, who is already a millionaire, must have charged a hefty sum of money for this story published in the News of the World (NOTW).
    you think the NOTW actually paid majeed to publish the story


    In England such huge cash dealing is only carried out in drug business therefore it gives me an impression that the money on the table was obtained through drug trafficking
    let me get this right, you think the money on the table given to majeed by the NOTW undercover was obtained through drug trafficing


    i'm a little suprised that pak passion is posting these embarassing ramblings on your behalf
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    Quote Originally Posted by farazaidi View Post
    That is not a fact, only an estimate. Perhaps this post from MJ will put things in perspective for you




    I'm not backing RL's claims, only pointing out that there are more perspectives in Majeed's case which you've conveniently ignored.
    didn't ignore it at all. I know the football club in question and it's only a micky-mouse non-league club and it was always "in the doldrums" even when Majeed took control. And once he took control vast sums of money started to flow through its books. Majeed was using the club as a front to launder his illegal monies. It was these vast monies going through the football club that alerted the HM Customs that something fishy was going on. Customs have more powers than the Police and the Inland Revenue combined. It was they who first started investigating Majeed long before the NOTW had even heard of him. It was probably Customs who tipped off the NOTW about Majeed's illegal betting activities but that is getting away from the point that if there is one person who was desperate to stay under the radar, it was Majeed. The last thing he would do is to expose himself to criminal charges from HM Customs by getting involved in a fake newspaper sting which would be reported around the world.
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    maybe he said i'll give up some players in return of lesser fine/sentence.

    Spot fixing goes on everywhere imv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteDudeFromTrinidad View Post
    I know it beggars belief

    likewise he comes out with this

    "Mazhar Majeed, who is already a millionaire, must have charged a hefty sum of money for this story published in the News of the World (NOTW)"

    no rationale or evidence to support that ridiculous statement, his entire article is wild speculation and nit-picking over immaterial details like the definition of 'script' in the betting world.

    I note that Latif doesn't speculate on just how much that hefty sum of money was that Majeed accepted from the NOTW to set the players up, because he knows just how flimsy an argument it is and it would make the rest of his article redundant.

    When you cut through all the ******** it all comes down to these basic facts:

    1. Majeed is an agent for the players concerned
    2. Majeed was filmed on video accepting £150k in return for arranging 3 no-balls to happen at pre-determined dates
    3. The players concerned delivered the no-balls as arranged.
    4. Majeed is not benefiting in any way whatsoever from this scandal, in fact he stands to lose the most

    those are the facts of the case and it's going to take more than a "a pig-headed refusal to stare facts in the face will see us through" attitude to make those facts go away.

    spot on....some of the tripe that Rashid Latif is spewing is mind boggling!!!!

    i mean why would Mazhar Majeed get paid to hang himself in the public eye!!

    Also it is just a simple case of a bunch of morons getting caught red handed by a newspaper with an eye for a story...PLAIN AND SIMPLE...

    if any of you are still deluded to the fact that these players are innocent and being framed..then you seriously need to see a shrink!!! there is no worldwide conspiriacy against PAK cricket as that excuse of an ambassador would have us believe...PAK players mentality is the issue here..and their love for money and status symbols!!!

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    firstly i think the title is very misleading

    Rashid Latif is one of the few pakistani cricketers to be able to talk abt this issue with credibility

    he mentioned spot fixing years ago, and has constantly over the years tried to blow the lid on fixing in crick

    the article itself has some good points and is interesting but there is a lot of speculation

    overall i didnt think it conveyed that bad a picture as the title suggests


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