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    I wonder what shirt number he'll wear at Everton. I think #9 is available. Unless they do retired numbers in the Premier League like in US sports.


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    Am I the only one here that thinks Tevez has shown he is worth every penny of the 30M paid by Manchester City. Also Tevez wanted to stay at United so they could have got him for 25m or so had they really tried. My point is if you have 30m to spend on decent players like Berbatov then surely you have that much to spend on Tevez. Heck 18m on Anderson says a lot about your spending power.
    Yeah he is doing that for City. But he didn't justify why we should spend that on him while he was here. Footballers can improve but unfortunately in our time he did not look like a 30M player. Berba didn't look it either but circumstances were different as we had to buy him from someone else.

    As for his quotes well he is Argentinean and a Latino so he will come up with stuff like that. If he scores and performs day in day out he can say anything he wants as long as it's not out of line.
    It doesn't matter how good he is, doesn't mean he can say or do whatever he wants.

    Another thing I'll mention is that had Tevez been giving the responsibility to guide this club post Ronaldo I think he would have done better than Rooney has. Or even post-Rooney, Tevez could have been the man because we all know the likes of Hernandez, Berba, Carrick, Fletcher really don't have the heart. Right now Nani is the only one that could be the man of the club but he just doesn't fall in the same bracket as Ronaldo, Rooney, or Tevez.
    This is where you lose it a bit. Tevez is doing great with City but with us he showed nothing that he could lead this club. Rooney was injured for 2 months, Tevez got a good run and couldn't score against even the most mediocre of oppositions. He only scored 5 PL goals that season. And not like we lacked service - we won the PL that season.

    However, the biggest misstatement of your whole post is when you say "Fletcher really don't have heart." Fletcher doesn't have the skill of a continental player, but heart? He has that in abundance and that is what has lead to a rise in his game.


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    Who'd have thought today would be as extraordinary as yesterday???

    Clever statement from Paul Stretford...er, I mean Rooney!

    The gist - The Ferguson block is a top guy, its the Glaziers who are responsible for all this!'

    Attempts to get the fans that turned on him yesterday back on side, and he doesnt have to take a swipe at Ferguson!

    What a drama!!!


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    Whatever is happening and however good Rooney is, it does not matter. He has undermined the manager by stating that he is not injured and that maybe acceptable for the France national team but never under Sir Alex Ferguson's iron fist.

    Nobody is bigger then the club (cliched but true) except Alex Ferguson. Man Utd was always a big club prior to his arrival in 86 but he has taken them single handedly to another level.

    Rooney's comments today is merely a premeditated speech written by his agent. He praises Alex Ferguson and seems to be playing mind games. You do not play mind games with a master like Sir Alex and he will get annihalated.

    Lots of talk in the media about how Sir Alex does not hold all the cards for once etc etc. Man Utd may have had an average start of the season and we may not have the mega world class players of old but they will come again, via grooming or purchasing.

    Rooney is the one who is under fire and not Man Utd or Sir Alex. How can rooney claim today that he wants to leave because he has been given no assurances about Man Utd signing world class players. Rooney should only open his gob if he is in form and not playing at a level below Emile Heskey.

    Ultimately if he leaves, I will not care. He is not Man Utd.

    In the past I was upset when Cantona, Keane, possibly Beckham and Stam left but I do not care about Rooney however good he is or thinks he is.

    Man Utd spirits will go down one day but not because of that pikey!
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    who could question the transfer fee of Tevez? He has an incredible scoring record for Man City and is at the heart of one of the best teams in England, involved in everything. he is arguably the best player in the league at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whippy View Post
    who could question the transfer fee of Tevez? He has an incredible scoring record for Man City and is at the heart of one of the best teams in England, involved in everything. he is arguably the best player in the league at the moment.
    No one is questioning that. People are questioning why United should have paid 25M (plus 10M already paid) for someone who hadn't performed like a 25M player for United.


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    Fergie has managed to let other big names go and re-build some very good sides, But can he do it again as finances are really limited for him now? Top players cost big bucks now as well!

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    Wayne Rooney when you win three Prem titles one CL an FA cup and two league cup at another club we will believe you are leaving to win things.One great season and thinks he is Pele.


    we will not miss a 'never will be' like Malik. Drop Him For Good.

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    It was inevitable that something like this might happen. I can only say it serves the people who defended those Glazer vermin right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amir View Post
    How come? Oxy or someone on this thread said it correctly, if you are going to lap up the media when all is good (They got paid 5 million for their wedding!), then you have to take good with the bad. Your in the limelight cause of oyur football so when you don't perform to standards (IE World Cup) you deserve some criticism!
    I know its silly BUT these players are hypocrites

    I do think it is about the money though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amir View Post
    United fans would never turn on SAF, if anyone - they will target Glazers and have begun too.

    Now with Rooney confirming it is because of the squad, the Glazers are now even more untenable with the fans. No fan believes SAF does not want to build a good side, so it must be the lack of money.

    Very disappointed in Rooney. Its been one season (in which we finished 2nd!). I think Alan Green or Hansen said it but if the squad isn't good...Rooney owes it to the team to stay and make it better. Its not like we have gone on some long trophy drought and it looks impossible in the future. What does he expect? Some sort of sugar daddy spending like City/Chelsea? Really insecure by him not to have faith in the team just cause our neighbours have a squad of 40.

    I think it may also just be a cover-up to go to a club that will pay him more. We won't know until he leaves and see if he accepts a contract of similar nature.
    That is not true - they were turning against him during the Chelsea winning period, quite a large number of them too - I remember commenting at the time how ridiculous they were being BUT Fergie obviously turned things round and they soon "accepted" him again

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    Anyone thinking UTD are over and done with I will bump this thread feb/march time.We are lacking an attacking midfielder and if not defensive injuries and errors we would be a point behind chelsea.


    we will not miss a 'never will be' like Malik. Drop Him For Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed View Post
    That is not true - they were turning against him during the Chelsea winning period, quite a large number of them too - I remember commenting at the time how ridiculous they were being BUT Fergie obviously turned things round and they soon "accepted" him again
    No one would turn on him now. Has overcome all challenges, been here for so long. Proved fans wrong million of times, and seeing the reaction of United fans thus far...no one is buying Rooney's reason. From what I read, United fans think its greed on Rooney's part (which is surprising, I expected a bunch of Glazer slurs)


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed-sohail View Post
    Wayne Rooney when you win three Prem titles one CL an FA cup and two league cup at another club we will believe you are leaving to win things.One great season and thinks he is Pele.
    Lol. Correction. One great season and you think he's Pele.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Word is that his wife wanted to move to Spain or Italy.
    no she doesnt.. shes got a 12 year old ill sister so a move abroad is really hard to see..


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    its every players dream to play at MU, to say your leaving utd to win more trophies shows you have an IQ of less then 5, absolute hillarious decision by Rooney that may haunt him for the rest of his life and turn him into an Owen.

    this to me seems like either its a ploy by rooney to make fergie sign more top players or to attract more attention and tell his team and manager that hes the greatest and there nothing without me, and he will probably end up staying here. This is what happens when you suddenly have one great season and get a big fantasies of yourself being the best,
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    actually suhaib I think it shows he is more intelligent then he looks.. Man United are in serious debt and made a record loss due to interest payments on that debt and unless glazers go they will be in a deeper hole.. They only way glazers will leave is if theres no CL for 2-3 seasons and I doubt Rooney has the stomach to wait that long


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    Rooney's reasons are actually pretty sharp and reasonable. I just hope he continues to succeed at his next club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimran72 View Post
    Am I the only one here that thinks Tevez has shown he is worth every penny of the 30M paid by Manchester City. Also Tevez wanted to stay at United so they could have got him for 25m or so had they really tried. My point is if you have 30m to spend on decent players like Berbatov then surely you have that much to spend on Tevez. Heck 18m on Anderson says a lot about your spending power.

    As for his quotes well he is Argentinean and a Latino so he will come up with stuff like that. If he scores and performs day in day out he can say anything he wants as long as it's not out of line.

    Another thing I'll mention is that had Tevez been giving the responsibility to guide this club post Ronaldo I think he would have done better than Rooney has. Or even post-Rooney, Tevez could have been the man because we all know the likes of Hernandez, Berba, Carrick, Fletcher really don't have the heart. Right now Nani is the only one that could be the man of the club but he just doesn't fall in the same bracket as Ronaldo, Rooney, or Tevez.

    This an article I wrote on Tevez a while back

    http://www.sportingo.com/football/a1...er-united-city

    At the time Utd didnt lose out and like Rooney he was all about the money...

    The season Berbatov came Tevez was awful...and even then he was offered a contract, a contract which he turned down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    This an article I wrote on Tevez a while back

    http://www.sportingo.com/football/a1...er-united-city

    At the time Utd didnt lose out and like Rooney he was all about the money...

    The season Berbatov came Tevez was awful...and even then he was offered a contract, a contract which he turned down...
    How was Tevez all about money? Someone else owned him and from my understanding he was actually keen on playing for Manchester United.

    Again he could not have been offered a contract unless a bid for him was accepted.

    Yes he was not great but he was played out of position and benched a lot.

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    Interesting comments from SAF in the post-match interview tonight. He was asked if he had read Rooney's statement, his response- "I haven't read Wayne Rooney's statement, but we'll have a view on it tomorrow and probably put it to bed tomorrow". He was then asked if there was a chance of Rooney still staying, he responded the same as yesterday, saying the door is still open.

    He was then told that Rooney said in the statement that he hadn't received the assurances he wanted regarding the club's ambition. Fergie's response? "He wants assurances? Have I won 30 trophies or what?" And with that comment, followed by a wry smile and a chuckle Fergie walked off .

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    From manutd.com:
    Sir Alex was in rousing mood on Wednesday night as he collects his thoughts following one of the more dramatic, and disappointing, weeks in his time as United boss. Here's the transcript of his post-match press conference...

    "To maintain the success at any football club is not a certainty, i.e. I always believe a four-year cycle is probably the most you can achieve in terms of success. Very few teams can create more than that four-year cycle. Last season we almost did it, we were one point short of winning the league for a record fourth time.

    "We realised that to maintain that high consistency of being there challenging we had to inject youth into the club and we’ve been doing it for the last three or four years. We realised some years ago that Giggs, Scholes and Neville were never going to last forever and our policy is therefore to develop players within the club. We had a player that once said to me Rooney and Ronaldo weren’t good enough. Can you believe that? He actually said they weren’t good enough and he wasn’t prepared to wait until they were. That’s what happens, that’s the problem with potential – people don’t identify potential, they’re very poor at it. I’ve identified it all my life within young people – I know potential, I know how it can be developed and I know how to have faith in it - young people surprise you when you give them an opportunity. And that’s what this club is about. So when you see Manchester United at the moment with all these young players, you can’t see Manchester United three years ahead because you’re not thinking about that.

    "We will invest in players when the time is ready. This summer wasn’t the right time as far as I was concerned; there was no value for me. There was one player who we would have liked to have got but he chose another club. I don’t think he ever wanted to come to England anyway. Some players don’t want to leave their country, it’s a fact of life, some players are happy in their own country. Some players are happy to leave and Manchester United is always a big attraction for any player. If they don’t want to leave their country then we forget about it.

    "In terms of the future of Manchester United there are a lot of things in my favour – history, the respect we have from people – if I told you how many agents phone my secretary every week about players who would love to play for us - and I don’t just mean run of the mill players, I’m talking about players at almost every club in the world - it would amaze you. It’s because this club still has that fantastic romance and respect from everyone.

    "Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it’s a better cow than the one you’ve got in your own field. It’s a fact. But it never really works out that way. It’s probably the same cow which is only as good as your own cow. We have to deal with that – some players like to think that it’s a better world somewhere else, it never really works like that.

    "As I said, three Premier League titles in a row is fantastic and we were within one point of a record fourth. It didn’t happen for us and we didn’t like that and we want to do something about it. We’ll be okay – I’ve got every confidence in that. We have a structure at the club which is good, we have the right staff, the right manager, the right chief executive, he’s a brilliant man. There’s nothing wrong with Manchester United, not a thing wrong with it. So we’ll carry on."


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    Respect has gone up for Sir Alex after this week. Nice to see some rare displays of emotion in the media from the big man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy_07 View Post
    Retrospectively Tevez has shown he is worth £30m, however when he was at Manchester United he just didn't have the same games to goal ratio IIRC (although that may in part be down to the fact that he wasn't a regular with the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney in the team and then with Berbatov arriving).
    The issue with Tevez wasn't the money.

    The issue was that he was a prime donna who wanted a lot of TLC and wanted regular first-team football that season.

    Fergie rightly couldn't promise him first-team football every week last season.

    From what I remember, we had indeed offered the GBP 24 M or whatever was needed for the buy-out - a bit late, and after much dithering, but we had offered it. By that time, Tevez mind was made-up, primarily because he felt he wasn't respected enough at Man Utd and deserved to be #1.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shaykh1985 View Post
    The season Berbatov came Tevez was awful...and even then he was offered a contract, a contract which he turned down...
    Exactly!

    The issue with Tevez wasn't money - it was TLC.

    With Rooney, the issue is precisely money!




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    where's Shrek gonna go? Chelsea seem the only viable option.

    City? that would be awesome!


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    Colleen's sister is apparently very ill. If he wants to go to Madrid (where I'm sure he would flourish), he's going on his own. City are cheeky sods these days, but Mancini maybe has a bit too much class to nick Rooney, although (a) is it his decision? and (b) it would definitely strengthen their title challenge. Tevez, Rooney, Milner, Adam Johnson, Yaya Tour...excuse me while I salivate for a minute.

    anyway, I reckon Chelsea. Then they really would be unbeatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShehryarK View Post
    The issue with Tevez wasn't the money.

    The issue was that he was a prime donna who wanted a lot of TLC and wanted regular first-team football that season.

    Fergie rightly couldn't promise him first-team football every week last season.

    From what I remember, we had indeed offered the GBP 24 M or whatever was needed for the buy-out - a bit late, and after much dithering, but we had offered it. By that time, Tevez mind was made-up, primarily because he felt he wasn't respected enough at Man Utd and deserved to be #1.
    I wasn't saying the issue with Tevez was money bhai. The point I was making was that although in today's inflated market Tevez may very well be worth £30m based on his performances for Man City, when he was at MUFC he done nothing really to demonstrate that he was worth the £25m his owners were after (his goal to games ratio was double what it is now at City). So I think Fergie was right when he said Tevez wasn't worth that much and add to that the fact that he was acting up, the decision to let him leave at the time was the correct one IMO.

    Anyway, looking forward who do you guys think we should replace Rooney with? Personally I don't think Torres is a realistic option, so I would go for Suarez (I think he would thrive in the PL and he's only 23) and there would also be cash left over to make a bid for Gareth Bale (excellent young player he's really realising his potential this season, could be a replacement for Giggs further down the line).
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    Quote Originally Posted by suhaib View Post
    its every players dream to play at MU, to say your leaving utd to win more trophies shows you have an IQ of less then 5, absolute hillarious decision by Rooney that may haunt him for the rest of his life and turn him into an Owen.
    Every players dream? I think like a lot of United fans you seem to think the whole football universe revolves around one club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Zulfiqar View Post
    where's Shrek gonna go? Chelsea seem the only viable option.

    City? that would be awesome!
    Several Clubs - many clubs have already confirmed their interest in Wayne Rooney.

    Inter Milan
    Real Madrid
    Barcelona
    Chelsea
    Manchester City


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    Quote Originally Posted by Whippy View Post
    Colleen's sister is apparently very ill. If he wants to go to Madrid (where I'm sure he would flourish), he's going on his own. City are cheeky sods these days, but Mancini maybe has a bit too much class to nick Rooney, although (a) is it his decision? and (b) it would definitely strengthen their title challenge. Tevez, Rooney, Milner, Adam Johnson, Yaya Tour...excuse me while I salivate for a minute.

    anyway, I reckon Chelsea. Then they really would be unbeatable.
    This is football - a cut throat business

    If the opportunity to sign Rooney arrives I have no doubt Mancini will grab it, class does not even come into it

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    Good article written by an Arsenal Fan.

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    The sad truth is, United will survive Rooney exit


    Over the years, one of the biggest (and most disappointing) things I've learned from football is this: write Manchester United off at your own peril.

    As much as it pains me to say it, they can and will survive the departure of Wayne Rooney. The press love a crisis and, while the timing of this story is about as bad as United could hope for, one or two poor seasons that might follow and one big player gone is unlikely to be enough to send United down the route of Liverpool.

    When we won the double at Old Trafford in 2002, that looked like a symbolic moment - we took the title off them at their own backyard and a shift in power looked to be emerging. That United team looked finished at the time and Ferguson came close to packing it all in.

    One year later they're champions again, allbeit with a bit of help from our own major slip-up towards the end of the campaign.

    Once they'd lost Beckham and we'd gone unbeaten in 03/04, that really looked like the end for the glory years of Man Utd. Three seasons without a title confirmed, perhaps, that it was the end for that set of players, and once they'd lost Ruud van Nistelrooy I remember tipping them to drop out of the top four for the 06/07 season.

    Under the guidance of Ferguson, however, they always recover. Someone will step up; for his first three years at United Ronaldo looked arguably worse than Nani does now. There's no reason to think that a front three of Nani, Valencia and Berbatov/Hernandez can't replace Rooney without the need for major investment from United.

    Obviously a major difference now than from before is that United could finally lose the old heads of Giggs, Scholes and Neville, as well as their manager in the next couple of years. Having the winning mentality and experience of these long-serving old pros obviously plays a big part in passing it down to whoever plays around them. It's certainly something Arsenal have missed since losing key members of the Invincibles too quickly.

    Another thing that cannot be ignored, of course, is the enormous debt the Glazers have put the club in. We've seen what off-the-pitch matters have done to Liverpool last season and this.

    Still, I wouldn't get too excited. We all like to tell ourselves our major rivals are on the way down whenever possible. It even seemed the case at Chelsea a few years ago when they lost Mourinho and the likes of Drogba had seemingly lost their way and wanted out.

    There is a fundamental winning mentality instilled deep in these clubs that Arsenal lack. I cannot see United going a whole five years without ANY silverware in the way that we have. Sure, they might not top the table for a while, but they display enough of a hunger to show respect to the smaller cup competitions in a way that we don't.

    The sad truth for us, also, is that even the downfall of United would not guarantee us success in the way it might have in the late 90s/early 00s when there were no other competitors. If Rooney weakens one set of rivals by leaving, he will surely only be strengthening Chelsea or Man City, as I really cannot see him moving abroad.

    For now, let's do our best to make sure City's rise up does not happen too quickly, starting with an Arsenal win this weekend. More on that in the next few days.

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    Did anyone see Holloway's rant on the Rooney situation? E wernt an appy chappy in that

    You can watch it on the BBC website if you are UK based

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed View Post
    Did anyone see Holloway's rant on the Rooney situation? E wernt an appy chappy in that

    You can watch it on the BBC website if you are UK based
    I love Holloway! Tried to hate him since his team beat my team & got into the Prem

    But I cant!


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    That was one HIGH quality rant!




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    The guy is class - don't agree with everything he said BUT a lot of it was right

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    Always liked holloway.Top man always worth listening to.


    we will not miss a 'never will be' like Malik. Drop Him For Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed View Post
    The guy is class - don't agree with everything he said BUT a lot of it was right
    Is this the rant?



    Don't really get what he's trying to say to be honest. What's his objection? He keeps saying "that's so wrong" but what exactly is he talking about?


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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gers View Post
    Is this the rant?



    Don't really get what he's trying to say to be honest. What's his objection? He keeps saying "that's so wrong" but what exactly is he talking about?
    His issue is with the Fifa ruling (also known as the Webster ruling) and the Bosman ruling

    He thinks it is wrong that a player can buy out his contract with a year left on it - and I agree with him on that

    The Fifa ruling (Webster) states that

    Article 17 of Fifa's statutes, which states that a player aged between 23 and 28 who has fulfilled three years of his contract can move to another club for "footballing reasons".
    Gutierrez joined us in a similar way - had time left on his contract BUT he bought it out and then joined us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed View Post
    His issue is with the Fifa ruling (also known as the Webster ruling) and the Bosman ruling

    He thinks it is wrong that a player can buy out his contract with a year left on it - and I agree with him on that

    The Fifa ruling (Webster) states that



    Gutierrez joined us in a similar way - had time left on his contract BUT he bought it out and then joined us
    Ah okay thanks for clarifying. Yeah he does mention the Bosman but I don't know any specifics that's why I was confused.

    The way it's set up it does seem a bit odd. But surely the club that signs a player will make an allowance for something like this happening at the outset? Maybe making the buyout amount prohibitively expensive? United or any club for that matter can't claim to be surprised by something like this happening.


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    Quote Originally Posted by d0gers View Post
    Ah okay thanks for clarifying. Yeah he does mention the Bosman but I don't know any specifics that's why I was confused.

    The way it's set up it does seem a bit odd. But surely the club that signs a player will make an allowance for something like this happening at the outset? Maybe making the buyout amount prohibitively expensive? United or any club for that matter can't claim to be surprised by something like this happening.
    The buyout is irrelevant - next summer Wayne Rooney can rip up his Man-U contract because he is between 23 and 28 and has spent 3 years at the club - and the money the club get is not based on the players ability, it is based on the wages they would have expected to pay the player

    Google webster ruling for more info

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    MUFC > Rooney

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed View Post
    The buyout is irrelevant - next summer Wayne Rooney can rip up his Man-U contract because he is between 23 and 28 and has spent 3 years at the club - and the money the club get is not based on the players ability, it is based on the wages they would have expected to pay the player

    Google webster ruling for more info
    This is what gets me. Whats the point of signing a contract? What is it worth? There is so much protection for players now, that clubs are at their mercy. People say "well they get traded like meat by the clubs..."

    NEWSFLASH: THAT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS. You think my employer or your employer can't replace you or there isn't someone else who at least covets your job? If you sign a contract for 4 yrs, you better damn give 4 yrs...not 3 yrs, or how many you ever choose or else you might as well start writing contracts on napkins.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amir View Post
    This is what gets me. Whats the point of signing a contract? What is it worth? There is so much protection for players now, that clubs are at their mercy. People say "well they get traded like meat by the clubs..."

    NEWSFLASH: THAT IS HOW THE WORLD WORKS. You think my employer or your employer can't replace you or there isn't someone else who at least covets your job? If you sign a contract for 4 yrs, you better damn give 4 yrs...not 3 yrs, or how many you ever choose or else you might as well start writing contracts on napkins.
    Football doesn't operate in the real/common world - it is a billion dollar industry

    I certainly think it is wrong that players hold pretty much all the cards - contracts only benefit the players, there is no security for the clubs as we have seen all too often when a player wants out he gets it - and most time clubs miss out on the real value of the player

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    from press release, i dnt think rooney will be leaving. fergie has either persuaded rooney that the financial situation with the club is ok as they have money in the bank or they are willing to buy new players.

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    haha-- this is just hilarious

    Balaclava-clad fans make death threat at Wayne Rooney's home

    • Balaclava-clad fans make death threat outside player's home
    • Talks staged with player's agent and calls made to Glazers


    Manchester United today re-entered negotiations with Wayne Rooney's agent, Paul Stretford, on a day when the outrage felt by the club's supporters escalated into militant action and chilling threats.

    While Rooney was pondering the fall-out from several hours of high-level talks at Old Trafford, a 40-strong group of United supporters, many wearing balaclavas and hooded tops, had travelled to his home in Prestbury, Cheshire to warn him off any move to Manchester City. Witnesses reported a gathering outside his house, with a banner reading "If you join City you're dead".

    The incident occurred a couple of hours after United released a statement confirming they had spent the day discussing Rooney's future. The club's chief executive, David Gill, spoke to Stretford to reiterate Sir Alex Ferguson's belief that the player could be on the verge of making the biggest mistake of his professional life.

    City are willing to pay Rooney £260,000 a week, which would make him the highest-paid player in the Premier League, but there is a desire among senior figures at Old Trafford to keep him. The fact he was not transfer-listed today suggests at least that there are attempts behind the scenes to resolve the matter. Gill had an hour-long meeting with Ferguson at lunchtime and spoke to the club's owners, the Glazer family, by telephone.

    Rooney's position had begun to look untenable when he released a statement on Wednesday confirming that he wanted to leave Old Trafford, citing a concern that the club were in danger of stagnating at a time when they no longer appear to be in a position to sign the more expensive players on the market.

    Ferguson had responded by saying his priority was to "put it to bed" today. The manager is known to be frustrated that he has been unable to do so, believing the ongoing drama could have an adverse effect on his other players before Sunday's game against Stoke City.

    The only public comment from Old Trafford was a statement from Gill to confirm that more talks were planned and to ask supporters to show understanding.

    "We are aware there is intense public and media interest on the club at the moment," Gill said. "I can confirm a number of meetings have taken place today, including with the player's representative. The outcome of those meetings will become clear in the near future. In the meantime fans are asked to be patient."

    United are aware of the growing swell of opinion against Rooney from supporters and the player is said to have been dismayed, though not entirely surprised, by the reaction at yesterday's match. The depth of anger against Rooney manifested itself during the game against Bursaspor when supporters held up banners castigating his behaviour.

    The demonstration at his house had a much more sinister edge. In 2005 Rio Ferdinand faced a similar visit from a mob of balaclava-wearing men dressed predominantly in black, because of a 16-month contract dispute during which he had been photographed with the then Chelsea chief executive, Peter Kenyon.

    Ferdinand went to his front door to confront the fans and answer their questions during a tense standoff, the defender admitting in his autobiography that he had feared for his own safety. The same people are believed to have been involved last night in what seems to amount to a determined attempt to intimidate Rooney out of a move to Eastlands. There was no direct confrontation, however, at the house. Police were called to the address at around 8.30pm although no arrests were made.

    Rooney has also put himself in a difficult position with several team-mates with his statement that the main reason he wanted to leave was because of his concerns that United might not be in a position to challenge regularly for trophies. The clear implication of his behaviour is that he believes United are in danger of slipping behind more powerful spenders, specifically Chelsea and Manchester City, as well as major forces in Europe such as Milan, Real Madrid and Barcelona.

    City are continuing to monitor his potential availability with a view to signing him in the January transfer window. Though Real Madrid's president, Florentino Pérez, has made no secret of his admiration for the striker, there is a feeling at the Bernabéu that another club is ahead of them.

    Rooney is said to favour staying in England, not least because his wife, Colleen, places great emphasis on helping to care for her younger sister, Rosie, who suffers from the brain disorder Rett syndrome. Stretford also has a long association with Brian Marwood, the man charged with negotiating new signings for City in his role as the club's football administrator.Ends


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    anybody see the Ian Holloway interview....was class

    told it as it is!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isolation View Post
    anybody see the Ian Holloway interview....was class

    told it as it is!!
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    Its wrong!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by madaboutlfc View Post
    haha-- this is just hilarious

    Balaclava-clad fans make death threat at Wayne Rooney's home

    • Balaclava-clad fans make death threat outside player's home
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    It was probably the united sqaud lead by Vidic and evra in disguise!

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    SSN camped outside the MU training ground hoping to catch a glimpse of Rooney if he arrives - about 20 Ferraris & Bentleys drove past the reporter as he tried to peer inside each one.

    This line cracked me up: 'Oooooh this is a left-hand drive one. No Rooney'


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    Quote Originally Posted by madaboutlfc View Post
    haha-- this is just hilarious

    Balaclava-clad fans make death threat at Wayne Rooney's home

    • Balaclava-clad fans make death threat outside player's home
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    Credit to these fans for making the 7 hour round trip from London so early in the morning!


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    I guess all the death threats rooney got meant hes signed new contract!

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    We should have sent these fans to Ozil's house.


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    Cool. I guess he'll come to Goodison when he's 29, right around when Moyes makes the switch the other way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by suhaib View Post
    from press release, i dnt think rooney will be leaving. fergie has either persuaded rooney that the financial situation with the club is ok as they have money in the bank or they are willing to buy new players.
    i was right

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    Quote Originally Posted by suhaib View Post
    i was right
    You mean the press release was right?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxy View Post
    You mean the press release was right?
    The press release was from suhaibs famous source ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    The press release was from suhaibs famous source ;)
    ahh, the desperation i love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by suhaib View Post
    ahh, the desperation i love it
    desperation? what are you going on about?

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    I only wish we knew of this mom tactic earlier. We wouldn't have missed out on the likes of Ronaldinho, Robben and Essien. We really should use them more often. All expenses paid.


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    What a little drama queen. Does all this for a huge raise. Playing for a prestigious club like Man U should be enough motivation for him to put his socks on, the pay should come secondary.

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    I wonder how he reacts to last night's events.


    'Unfit' Wayne Rooney is fighting to save his Manchester United career

    Doubts over striker's attitude to training frustrate Ferguson and may force club to cash in this summer




    Wayne Rooney is fighting to save his Manchester United career, with his manager Sir Alex Ferguson’s profound doubts about the player’s approach to his work now a cause of daily tension between the two.

    Ferguson’s decision to exclude Rooney from the starting line-up for Tuesday’s Champions League tie against Real Madrid reflected the manager’s view that the 27-year-old is not dealing with the weight and fitness issues which he believes have been a problem since the start of the season.

    United, against whom Uefa have opened disciplinary proceedings over Nani’s red card – he is likely to be handed a one-game ban – and the non-fulfilment of post-match media obligations following the 2-1 defeat to Real Madrid, face an imminent decision about Rooney’s future this summer, when the forward enters the final two years of his contract.

    The club cannot allow him to drift into the final year of the £250,000-a-week deal he struck after threatening to leave three years ago. Unless Rooney can improve enough to repair his relationship with Ferguson, the United manager will consider selling him if the club receives an offer above £20m.

    The strains in the relationship between Ferguson and Rooney have been evident at the Carrington training ground for some months, with the manager’s concerns about the player’s fitness rooted in the Scot’s decision to say that he “wasn’t as fit” as the other players when returning pre-season.

    Ferguson said that Rooney’s gashed thigh, sustained against Fulham on 25 August was a “blessing” as it gave him the opportunity to spend time in the gym.

    Rooney, for his own part, feels that he has done what he needs to do to be fit and Ferguson’s disinclination to praise him richly when he has made a contribution to a game – his two assists and goal in Saturday’s 4-0 win over Norwich City being one example – has not gone unnoticed. There is a palpable daily sense of the tension between the pair of them at Carrington, where Ferguson’s impatience shows.

    Rooney, who said in an interview published this week that he felt "fresh and ready" for the remainder of the season, might also argue that he has sacrificed himself for the good of the team by operating as a utility player in a number of positions this season, as Robin van Persie has taken the striker's role in which Rooney scored 35 goals last season.

    There is a view that Rooney would be well served by demanding the dedicated role which would bring him goals and greater recognition. His performance in the first match with Madrid was widely criticised, for example, when the striker covered much ground undertaking defensive duties.

    It is known that Paris Saint-Germain will be seeking a striker to operate with Zlatan Ibahimovich next season, though whether Rooney might be that target remains unclear. The Qatari-backed club clearly have the money to buy and pay him. Manchester City may also renew their interest in the player, whom they tried to buy in October 2010, forcing United to offer him a lucrative deal to stay.

    It does not appear that Ferguson holds any grudges over the way that Rooney publicly questioned the club's ability to sign world-class players back in 2010, though having subsequently sanctioned the deal which smashed United's pay structure, he will expect more dedication from Rooney than most.

    Uefa is likely to impose an automatic one-game ban on Nani for his red card, when the body's Control and Disciplinary Committee meets on 21 March. United may submit their comments about the challenge to enhance the prospect of the ban not being increased.

    Rio Ferdinand could also face action over his sarcastic applause directed at Turkish referee Cuneyt Cakir, if Cakir includes it in his report, the contents of which were still not known tonight. Uefa has said it is happy with the performance of Cakir who, like other Champions League referees, was under no instructions to come down hard on fouls like Nani's.

    United are also likely to be fined for failing to make Ferguson and at least two players available in tunnel “flash positions” after the game.
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    Gets dropped one game and the media start a sandstorm. A non-story really, it made sense for Roon not to be there. Nani has an x-factor and Welbeck performed well in the previous game. Plus, had the game been stretched into a 11 v 11 situation (which it was until the 60th), a fresh Rooney running at Ramos and co. would give us some fresh impetence.


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    ^^^ If Rooney was fit he should have started in United's most important match of the season.

    Something obviously going on behind the scenes.

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    Shrek does look like hes put on a few pounds this season, also with RVP being the main man you would have expected rooney to make the step up again when being challenged. If he does leave there will be plenty of clubs bayern, barca, City etc... to name a few which will show an interest in rooney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amir View Post
    Gets dropped one game and the media start a sandstorm. A non-story really, it made sense for Roon not to be there. Nani has an x-factor and Welbeck performed well in the previous game. Plus, had the game been stretched into a 11 v 11 situation (which it was until the 60th), a fresh Rooney running at Ramos and co. would give us some fresh impetence.
    are you for real???

    in the biggest games you play your biggest players - simple as that.

    Fergie obviously feels that when push comes to shove rooney just doesnt make his best 11. He has seriously been off the pace this season - hasnt inspired like before - fading force??? at 27!!

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    He has seriously been off the pace this season
    There is your answer. RvP is RvP, we had to play him. Fergie has a history of picking industry over flash and playing Welbeck made sense.

    It may just be an off-season, too early to say "fading force." The guy still has 10+ goals and contributes a lot. He is nowhere near Torres level.


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    Maybe a move away from United would re-motivate rooney to become the top player he can be.

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    Wayne Rooney - Wants to leave Manchester United

    how many grans a week is he on at man u re ?



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    Re: Wayne Rooney - Wants to leave Manchester United

    Rooney's not going anywhere, at least until the end of next season.

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    Wayne Rooney asks to leave Manchester United again

    Manchester United insist Wayne Rooney is not for sale after the striker asked to leave Old Trafford for the second time in three years.

    The 27-year-old ex-Everton forward told United boss Sir Alex Ferguson two weeks ago he felt the time was right to move after nine years at the club.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22460580

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    Previously I didn't want to see him go because we had no one. But if we can get 50 million for him from PSG, I say we sell him and go for Bale.


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    maybe the same story as gabbar put up,:
    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/f...3BtaA--;_ylv=3


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    Looks like his time at United is coming to an end, at the relatively young age of 31.

    Wayne Rooney is highly unlikely to leave Manchester United next week and has been left surprised by José Mourinho’s claim he could do so, though the striker is set to depart the club in the summer.

    Rooney is determined to try and see the season out, so unless United actively tell him he can depart or there is lucrative offer last-minute offer from China’s Super League before their window closes on Tuesday, the striker will remain at Old Trafford.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football...ence-continues

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    Should have gone in 2013 but Moyes the Messiah saved him.

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    I hope he doesn't go. He is a club legend and I'll be sad to see him go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    I hope he doesn't go. He is a club legend and I'll be sad to see him go.
    He's not just going to warm the bench, and anyway it's not like his only club was Manchester United.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WC-Passion View Post
    He's not just going to warm the bench, and anyway it's not like his only club was Manchester United.
    He should go back to an Everton or some other European club. He is only 31 and too young to go to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_KING View Post
    He should go back to an Everton or some other European club. He is only 31 and too young to go to China.
    Well when the likes of Oscar and Alex Teixeira have gone I don't see why Rooney is too young. He can get a lot of money and just come back to England after 2 years.

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