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    “Not everyday are you going to come and bowl 90mph. No one is a robot” : Jofra Archer

    Jofra Archer was asked by Michael Atherton on Sky about whether he has deliberately cut down on his pace this summer. For context, he was touching 95mph last year especially during the Ashes and often hovered around the 90mph mark. This summer, he’s touching 90mph at times but bowling a lot closer to 85mph. Anyway, here’s his reply:

    “It’s not deliberate, not everyday are you going to come and bowl 90mph.

    “I’ve seen the other guy Shah (Naseem) start bowling 90mph today so I’ll see how he goes tomorrow. No one is a robot, I’ll be interested to see what he can produce a bit later.

    “This wicket isn’t really a wicket on which you’ll really bend your back.

    “We bowled first and there was a bit in the morning but eventually as the game has gone on, it’s even spinning on day 2 and that says a lot about the wicket right now.

    “The new ball did a bit but then Jos and Pope found it much easier after the first 15 overs and that’s been the theme here and at Southampton as well.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Jofra Archer was asked by Michael Atherton on Sky about whether he has deliberately cut down on his pace this summer. For context, he was touching 95mph last year especially during the Ashes and often hovered around the 90mph mark. This summer, he’s touching 90mph at times but bowling a lot closer to 85mph. Anyway, here’s his reply:

    “It’s not deliberate, not everyday are you going to come and bowl 90mph.

    “I’ve seen the other guy Shah (Naseem) start bowling 90mph today so I’ll see how he goes tomorrow. No one is a robot, I’ll be interested to see what he can produce a bit later.

    “This wicket isn’t really a wicket on which you’ll really bend your back.

    “We bowled first and there was a bit in the morning but eventually as the game has gone on, it’s even spinning on day 2 and that says a lot about the wicket right now.

    “The new ball did a bit but then Jos and Pope found it much easier after the first 15 overs and that’s been the theme here and at Southampton as well.”
    Naseem will defo bowl around 88.and holding stated that this pitch is better for pace bowling in terms of bounce that all three previews games england have played

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    Jafra is only the next in line to England's impressive pace battery
    Harmison, finn, Simon, tremlett all had to provide the same pace that archer has been doing
    With so many bowlers on show bowlers have no excuse for conserving pace especially as they're showcasing their talent to lockdown audiences all around the world

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    He seemed rather annoyed at the mention of Naseem bowling consustently around 90mph today.



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    He should just say the truth. Its not hard to admit you just don’t have it in you to bowl that fast consistently.

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    Who dragged the name of Naseem Shah into debate?
    Even if Naseem Shah was mentioned in question, Archer needed to show a good choice of words.
    As if cricket were a physical, combat sport.

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    His poor and arrogant personality on display here once again. Instead of just accepting that hes not bowling with the same rhythm, he got annoyed and tried to put down the teenager in the other team LOL.

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    Starc, Kumara, Gabriel, Nortje and Wood can all do it.

    Last time I checked they aren’t robots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forum363 View Post
    His poor and arrogant personality on display here once again. Instead of just accepting that hes not bowling with the same rhythm, he got annoyed and tried to put down the teenager in the other team LOL.
    He is obviously a very touchy character.


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    Very, very arrogant.

    Starting to like him less and less as time goes by.

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    Can’t wait til Archer is out to bat tomorrow morning so Naseem can bowl a bouncer at his head.

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    Jofras action is good. Looks quite effortless. He comes in and just has to bowl, no need for any jumps. Something like haris rauf does.


    As for drop in pace, what was his speed in the west indies series? England has been playing back to back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    He is obviously a very touchy character.
    Its not like they accused him of bowling poorly or brought up the fact that he’s averaging like 50 sonce the ashes.

    It was a simple enough observation. And he clearly could not handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Jofras action is good. Looks quite effortless. He comes in and just has to bowl, no need for any jumps. Something like haris rauf does.


    As for drop in pace, what was his speed in the west indies series? England has been playing back to back
    The more i watch him, the more his action appears to be an extension of his personality. He ambles in slowly and barely puts effort in because he’s lazy and arrogant.

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    Archer is arrogant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Jofras action is good. Looks quite effortless. He comes in and just has to bowl, no need for any jumps. Something like haris rauf does.


    As for drop in pace, what was his speed in the west indies series? England has been playing back to back
    Dude, go read the op of archer vs naseem thread i created. His action looks effortless but actually is very demanding on his lower back as he barely uses any other support muscle group like other bowlers do.

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    People expect him to turn up and bowl 95 mph day in and day out. The amount of pressure he has been put under since day 1 is just ridiculous.

    He is arguably the only cricketer in history who was literally fast-tracked into international cricket for the sole purpose of helping his team win the World Cup.

    You cannot come up with another example of a player who has had to carry such enormous weight of expectations since his first day in international cricket, and yet he has delivered more often than not.

    A truly remarkable player and if this is arrogance than it is well-deserved because it is this arrogance that probably drives him forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    People expect him to turn up and bowl 95 mph day in and day out. The amount of pressure he has been put under since day 1 is just ridiculous.

    He is arguably the only cricketer in history who was literally fast-tracked into international cricket for the sole purpose of helping his team win the World Cup.

    You cannot come up with another example of a player who has had to carry such enormous weight of expectations since his first day in international cricket, and yet he has delivered more often than not.

    A truly remarkable player and if this is arrogance than it is well-deserved because it is this arrogance that probably drives him forward.
    You finally come out

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    Poor attitude. If this continues, he will be history soon.

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    lol people need to chill. He is right and he is being overworked by England too.

    And if every delivery is max 100% as a bowler, you're not going to be a bowler for very long. Even Shaoib Akhtar had spells where he was just around 85-87 mph.


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    Hate this guy. Can't wait to see him fail and fail bad throughout his career.


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    Archer's been over hyped to the moon, his fans heads are in the clouds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty Naz View Post
    lol people need to chill. He is right and he is being overworked by England too.

    And if every delivery is max 100% as a bowler, you're not going to be a bowler for very long. Even Shaoib Akhtar had spells where he was just around 85-87 mph.
    But archer was even bowling at 82 at one stage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty Naz View Post
    lol people need to chill. He is right and he is being overworked by England too.

    And if every delivery is max 100% as a bowler, you're not going to be a bowler for very long. Even Shaoib Akhtar had spells where he was just around 85-87 mph.
    Overworked he bowled same amount of overs as the rest lol

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    Sky are over analyzing something that seems pretty simple to me. Archer was never a genuinely express bowler and im positive he never will be.
    All of this extreme pace hyperbole rests on his performances in the shotter format of the game, especially the t20 matches where every bowler goes up to the tune of 5 km/hr on their usyal average test pace because they give it their all in 4 overs.which is why u saw Archer bowling those 90 plus speeds every other game.
    A lot has been exaggerated when it comes to his bowling speeds in the ashes.. I followed the series almost completely and he was bowling around 86 to 89 m/h mark usually.. He sent down a few express deliveries around the 92 mph mark. All thos talk by Warne and Holding about him bowling 95mph just seems surprising to me because i can onyl remember him bowling at tbat speed 2 or 3 times max in that whole series.
    In twrms of pace alone, wood is easily quicker than him on average speeds. Tho Archer to me is definitely the mote complete bowler.
    Fast forward a couple of seasons and i think people will get their reality check.. Archer is not an express bowler, hes simply fast medium with the ability to bowl an occasional express bouncer.

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    The way he spoke in that interview was quite arrogant especially when Naseem was mentioned by Athers and that he had bowled a spell at 89-90mph.

    He just didn't seem like he wanted to be interviewed by the way he talking and responding to questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    People expect him to turn up and bowl 95 mph day in and day out. The amount of pressure he has been put under since day 1 is just ridiculous.

    He is arguably the only cricketer in history who was literally fast-tracked into international cricket for the sole purpose of helping his team win the World Cup.

    You cannot come up with another example of a player who has had to carry such enormous weight of expectations since his first day in international cricket, and yet he has delivered more often than not.

    A truly remarkable player and if this is arrogance than it is well-deserved because it is this arrogance that probably drives him forward.
    That is so depressing. So cruel we are. Give me a tissue.
    Btw, where does all this empathy hide away when you start talking about a sub-20 year-old in Naseem whom you call all kind of names, and always bring out that bowling tendulkar nonsense? Margins for error galore for Archer, but knives and swords for Naseem.
    Still remember how hard you were on him on the oz tour despite him only bowling in one innings, that too after losing his mother.

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    Michael Holding disagreeing with Archer "This is the best pitch for fast bowling that I have seen this summer. It’s not lightning quick, but Jimmy Anderson had Buttler taking the ball up by his shoulders, and he’s bowling 80-odd mph.

    ‘So if you’re capable of bowling 95mph, you should steam in for four or five overs and show people that you are quick."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty Naz View Post
    lol people need to chill. He is right and he is being overworked by England too.

    And if every delivery is max 100% as a bowler, you're not going to be a bowler for very long. Even Shaoib Akhtar had spells where he was just around 85-87 mph.
    Dont know which Akhtar you were watching.
    I grew up watching Akhtar , and he was consistently over 90mph whenever or if ever he played. In fact, the day he wouldn't cross 152,153 kph which is 95 mph in old money, he was thought to be down on pace or out of rhythm.
    Only at the fag end, around 2011 did his average pace drop to around 140, 142 kph.

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    I agree. Archer like other fast bowlers is only human. Sometimes the body doesn't feel right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    The way he spoke in that interview was quite arrogant especially when Naseem was mentioned by Athers and that he had bowled a spell at 89-90mph.

    He just didn't seem like he wanted to be interviewed by the way he talking and responding to questions.
    Let's see if he can maintain that speed I fink he can maintain it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunge101 View Post
    Sky are over analyzing something that seems pretty simple to me. Archer was never a genuinely express bowler and im positive he never will be.
    All of this extreme pace hyperbole rests on his performances in the shotter format of the game, especially the t20 matches where every bowler goes up to the tune of 5 km/hr on their usyal average test pace because they give it their all in 4 overs.which is why u saw Archer bowling those 90 plus speeds every other game.
    A lot has been exaggerated when it comes to his bowling speeds in the ashes.. I followed the series almost completely and he was bowling around 86 to 89 m/h mark usually.. He sent down a few express deliveries around the 92 mph mark. All thos talk by Warne and Holding about him bowling 95mph just seems surprising to me because i can onyl remember him bowling at tbat speed 2 or 3 times max in that whole series.
    In twrms of pace alone, wood is easily quicker than him on average speeds. Tho Archer to me is definitely the mote complete bowler.
    Fast forward a couple of seasons and i think people will get their reality check.. Archer is not an express bowler, hes simply fast medium with the ability to bowl an occasional express bouncer.
    Very well put together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Michael Holding disagreeing with Archer "This is the best pitch for fast bowling that I have seen this summer. It’s not lightning quick, but Jimmy Anderson had Buttler taking the ball up by his shoulders, and he’s bowling 80-odd mph.

    ‘So if you’re capable of bowling 95mph, you should steam in for four or five overs and show people that you are quick."
    Don't think he's yet bowled a spell in international cricket where his speeds are in excess of 95-96mph consistently unless I haven't seen it.

    Or has he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    Don't think he's yet bowled a spell in international cricket where his speeds are in excess of 95-96mph consistently unless I haven't seen it.

    Or has he?
    92 93 against Australia I belive

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Let's see if he can maintain that speed I fink he can maintain it
    Tomorrow will be a big day for Pakistan as they will need their bowlers on top form.

    I'd like to see him bowling 4-5 over spells short and sharp spells with some chin music and definitely bowl a bit more fuller than he did today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    92 93 against Australia I belive
    I remember him clocking 92-93mph but it was a few balls and not consistently in a spell. Not seem to have seen him hitting 95mph then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    I remember him clocking 92-93mph but it was a few balls and not consistently in a spell. Not seem to have seen him hitting 95mph then.
    The spells he bowled at lords in the ashes were consistently quick. He maxed out at 96 mph.
    However, ever since that test, he hasn't hit those speeds again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    Tomorrow will be a big day for Pakistan as they will need their bowlers on top form.

    I'd like to see him bowling 4-5 over spells short and sharp spells with some chin music and definitely bowl a bit more fuller than he did today.
    Agreed thatd the thing playing 5 bowlers he can bowl sharp spells hence why I always wanted 5 man attack

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    Not sure why make a fuss here and call him arrogant for this particular remark. Watched the same interview live and it's only natural that his usp speed was brought up and he mentioned Naseem, as that would be his counter part from the opposing team.

    Holding may have expertise in assessing the pitch, but it is the bowler who when he bowls can feel if the pitch is assisting his style and will then assess what effort to put in. If Naseem feels comfortable tomorrow and consistently goes for high 80s that may be fine but it won't challenge Archer

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    Any one got a video of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pacy with wisdom View Post
    The spells he bowled at lords in the ashes were consistently quick. He maxed out at 96 mph.
    However, ever since that test, he hasn't hit those speeds again.
    There were only a few balls that went up to 95 and 96 but there wasn't a consistent spell of 95-96mph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Any one got a video of this?
    Watch from the 2 minute mark to see the comment on Naseem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shamaan View Post
    Overworked he bowled same amount of overs as the rest lol
    Anderson and Broad are specialist Test bowlers whereas Archer bowls for them in every format.

    Everyone has games where their pace is down and who knows, maybe he could even be dealing with an injury. It's a bit crazy for people to be attacking him so aggressively and calling him lazy.

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    Archer says it's "not the track to bend your back on"...

    He's covering for himself there. That track has excellent bounce- Broad & Anderson were being taken by the keeper at head height. It's quick as you'll find in England anyway. If there was ever and English track to bend your back on these days, it's Old Trafford.

    Maybe he doesn't know the "switch" inside himself to fire the speed up so he says these things? Could be the lack of crowd is suppressing him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    People expect him to turn up and bowl 95 mph day in and day out. The amount of pressure he has been put under since day 1 is just ridiculous.

    He is arguably the only cricketer in history who was literally fast-tracked into international cricket for the sole purpose of helping his team win the World Cup.

    You cannot come up with another example of a player who has had to carry such enormous weight of expectations since his first day in international cricket, and yet he has delivered more often than not.


    A truly remarkable player and if this is arrogance than it is well-deserved because it is this arrogance that probably drives him forward.
    England very embarassingly changed their qualifying rules solely to get him in the squad.

    KP in 2005


    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    England very embarassingly changed their qualifying rules solely to get him in the squad.

    KP in 2005
    Embarrassing is changing the laws of your nation to fast track Fawad Ahmed into the team, not changing your cricket qualification rules so they're only slightly stricter than any other nation rather than severely stricter.

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    Archer is a T20 bowler. Obviously he doesn’t have the skills to sustain high pace in test matches and this match has proved it and how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasty Naz View Post
    Anderson and Broad are specialist Test bowlers whereas Archer bowls for them in every format.

    Everyone has games where their pace is down and who knows, maybe he could even be dealing with an injury. It's a bit crazy for people to be attacking him so aggressively and calling him lazy.
    That's true, but not relevant here at all. He hasn't played an ODI or T20I match in more than a year. Just another excuse for his poor bowling.

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    Ermmm I seen Sohaib akhtaf consistently bowl over 90 for 5 years period

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    LOL that's why he didn't look motivated at all.He is good but he needs to take cricket seriously this is not some gully/mohalla match.But I think he might quit tests and become T20 specialist.As far as Naseem is concerned he will keep bowling at those speeds.

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    There were plenty who could sustain high pace such as Lillee, Imran, Holding and Donald but they didn’t bowl back to back tests and there used to be Sunday rest days too.

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    He got so salty when asked that question! Lol

    Also, quite immature of him to bring up Naseem. That's like backyard trash tack - that too unprovoked! Just answer for own damn self!

    "Let's see what Shah can produce tomorrow"... Huh? Focus on your own self. Not everyone is as lazy as you, Jofra!

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    England seamer Jofra Archer may be subconsciously reducing his speed in response to the elbow injury he suffered earlier this year, according to Sky Sports pundit Michael Holding.

    Archer, who regularly topped 90mph during last year's Ashes series, recovered from a stress fracture of his right elbow in the winter but has tended to register lower speeds during the Test series against West Indies and Pakistan.

    Although Pakistan youngster Naseem Shah hit that speed target several times on the second evening of the first Test at Old Trafford, Archer said: "It's not every day you can come in and bowl 90mph.

    "I've seen their guy Shah today, bowling 90 mph straight away - but no-one's a robot. So I'll be very interested to see what he can produce tomorrow."

    However, former West Indies paceman Holding believes the 25-year-old may not be allowing himself to go full tilt just yet as he gradually regains full confidence in his speed.

    "He's saying it's not by design, that everyone cannot run up and bowl fast every day," said Holding. "I'd prefer him to be doing it by design.

    Pakistan dominated day two of the first Test against England with Shan Masood hitting 156 before the tourists reduced England to 92-4.
    "If he's coming back from a stress fracture of his elbow, he may be saying in the back of his mind 'let me just reserve myself a little bit and make sure I get back the confidence mentally before I go at full steam'.

    "Perhaps that's what he's doing and he doesn't want to say that, but I'd prefer that angle. I had injuries and when I came back from a knee operation it took me a long time to get the confidence, to stamp down that left foot again.

    "I hope that's the situation with him. If a man can bowl 95mph, I'd like to see him bowl 95mph - I like to see batsmen getting sleepless nights!"

    Surprisingly, Archer was not handed the ball until late in the afternoon session at Old Trafford, even though Pakistan's sixth-wicket pair of Shan Masood and Shadab Khan had put together a century partnership.

    The England quick eventually finished with figures of 3-59 after taking two wickets in two balls as Pakistan were bowled out for 326, before reducing the home side to 92-4 in reply.

    But Holding felt Archer should have been brought into the attack sooner - and says the Old Trafford wicket is the most conducive to fast bowling he has seen so far this summer.

    "When we saw (Chris) Woakes running in and bouncing batsmen, that should have been Archer," he added.

    "With his high action and his pace, he can get the ball to bounce a lot closer to the batsmen and create a lot more problems. That should have been his job.

    "This pitch is offering a bit more. It's not the quickest I've ever seen but it's certainly offering a lot more than the first three we saw against West Indies.

    "It's not lightning fast but at least you're getting a bit of encouragement. If you're capable of bowling 95mph, you should steam in for four or five overs and show people that you are quick."

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    He needs to man up and admit the fact that Naseem Shah is at another level to him as a mega pacer and will continue to put pace him in this series as well as in their careers.

    Archer is quick but he is not in the league of Varun Aaron or Naseem Shah

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    He needs to man up and admit the fact that Naseem Shah is at another level to him as a mega pacer and will continue to put pace him in this series as well as in their careers.

    Archer is quick but he is not in the league of Varun Aaron or Naseem Shah
    I see what you did there in the 2nd para. Well played bhaijaan.

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    Very unlikely that any bowler has averaged 145 + over their test careers. Currently, Starc at 143.xx is the fastest on average considering a whole career. The problem is that Archer in a few tests has struggled to even maintain 85 mph.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Very unlikely that any bowler has averaged 145 + over their test careers. Currently, Starc at 143.xx is the fastest on average considering a whole career. The problem is that Archer in a few tests has struggled to even maintain 85 mph.
    He's used to bowling 4 overs a night and then taking selfies.

    Michael Holding will not consider him a true cricketer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    He needs to man up and admit the fact that Naseem Shah is at another level to him as a mega pacer and will continue to put pace him in this series as well as in their careers.

    Archer is quick but he is not in the league of Varun Aaron or Naseem Shah
    What a weird post.

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    He said nothing wrong.

    Not sure why folks are getting salty over his statement.

    He's a human and a bowler. Not a machine. In Tests pace can and does come down. He's no Shoaib Akhtar and he never claimed himself to be one either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deewana Mastana View Post
    Don't think he's yet bowled a spell in international cricket where his speeds are in excess of 95-96mph consistently unless I haven't seen it.

    Or has he?
    He hasnt as i mentioned in my post above.. The whole hyperbole sorrounding his pace has never been justified and that is a disservice to him actually because hes been put under expectations that he cant live upto (in terms of pace).
    The whole hype started when he bowled a deliveries in the 88 to 92 mph range in T20 leagues.. We know thats not someones actual pace eg Shaheen was bowling in the 145 to 150 bracket in PSL while he is back to 135 to 140 in test matches.
    Then came the ashes where he was bowling at his peak, yet only around 85 to 89 mph mark most of the time. i cant find the speed data on espncricinfo which im sure will confirm this. An odd delivery, like once in 2 overs was around 92 mph.. And he topped out at 95mph which happened like 2 or 3 times in total during the whole ashes.

    Its like the Eng commies forgot all about his average pace and chose to remember only that odd ball over 90mph. Hes not an express bowler by any definition going by what ive seen of him till yet in his career. Infact Wood is comfortably faster than him on all counts.
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    Newsflash for Archer

    Naseem is so far around 88mph in his second over.


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    Shaheen's pace did drop when bowling the final over before lunch


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    'Archer bowled five overs like Gus Fraser' - what they said

    Former England captain Michael Vaughan: "The fact England had to turn to Ben Stokes exposed a couple of England's bowlers - I think it certainly exposed Jofra Archer.

    "Archer bowled five overs of what I'd call Gus Fraser, no disrespect. He was bowling 82mph, pitched-up bowling. I don't think Archer is in the team to deliver that style of bowling.

    "Throughout this summer he is averaging 85mph with the ball in hand and maybe he isn't that quick, quick bowler we thought he was.

    "Maybe England have to assess his style of bowler and what he's delivering on a consistent basis more than we thought he was going to be.

    "All this talk of 90mph and it's going to be fizzing past the batsman's noses on a regular basis, maybe he can't bowl like that."

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    Archer might regret choosing for England considering the extra pressure that has been put on him. Also the competition in fast bowling. Mark Wood has more pace and is a better bat as well.

    for the WI he could have earned his money the 'chill' way without being asked too many questions and playing a lot of T20 stuff.


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    It's very likely that Archer and Anderson both might be rested in second test.

    Anderson to make way for Curran and Archer will be replaced by Wood.

    Broad, Woakes, Curran, Bess and Wood. Given that Crawley will be back at no.3, only four of them perhaps and Stokes to bowl as fifth option.
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    Cant really compare Archer with Naseem

    Archer's skill set is far more advanced and he is a future ATG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    It's very likely that Archer and Anderson both might be rested in second test.

    Anderson to make way for Curran and Archer will be replaced by Wood.

    Broad, Woakes, Curran, Bess and Wood. Given that Crawley will be back at no.3, only four of them perhaps and Stokes to bowl as fifth option.
    I think Anderson will definitely be rested and they will bring in a batsman (Crawley). This many bowlers is only being done because of Stokes' injury.

    They will probably rest Archer and play Wood.

    The final decision is whether to retain Bess so they have a spinning option or select Curran. It goes without saying that I hope they retain Bess since Curran is a better bowler in these conditions and a 10x better batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty View Post
    Cant really compare Archer with Naseem

    Archer's skill set is far more advanced and he is a future ATG
    Only in an alternate world is Archer more skillful than Naseem.

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    Pakistan should be penalized by match referee as they are using a robot on the cricket field called Naseem Shah (Version 4.09268).

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    Hope Jofra seeing how quick Shaheen and Naseem are bowling - they arent robots.


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    Vaughan basically saying what a few of us have been ranting about for a while now. Archer simply isnt the genuinely express bowler that English commies and some others have made him out to be. Hes a fast medium bowler with the ability to bowl an occasional effort ball around 90 mph. Thats about it
    Hes not the tear away threat they thought he was..time to work on his lines and lengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunge101 View Post
    Vaughan basically saying what a few of us have been ranting about for a while now. Archer simply isnt the genuinely express bowler that English commies and some others have made him out to be. Hes a fast medium bowler with the ability to bowl an occasional effort ball around 90 mph. Thats about it
    Hes not the tear away threat they thought he was..time to work on his lines and lengths.
    That's surprising to me tho.. in the world cup he was easily bowling regularly over 90 mph

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafizexpress View Post
    That's surprising to me tho.. in the world cup he was easily bowling regularly over 90 mph
    Everyone is a gangster with the white ball bro.

    With the red ball, Shaun Tait could not get Ashish Nehra out.

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    Need to be patient with Jofra Archer, he’s still very young: Joe Root

    Manchester [UK], Aug 9 (ANI): After winning the first Test against Pakistan by three wickets, England skipper Joe Root said that the side will be patient with Jofra Archer as the pacer is still very young.

    In the first Test against Pakistan, Archer claimed four wickets, including a three-wicket haul in the first innings, but the pacer was criticised for not bowling with full steam.

    “We just need to be very understanding that he’s still very young in his Test career, and that there will be mistakes and lessons to be learnt. But as long as he’s willing to learn from them and to keep looking to improve and get better, we will continue to see very special things from him,” ESPNCricinfo quoted Archer as saying.

    “Just remember that, under very high pressure at the start of his career, he’s performed extremely well. He has done very special things against Australia in an Ashes series, right off the back of a World Cup under a heavy workload,” he added.

    Archer was seen bowling consistently in the mid-80s and it is very less as compared to the pace he registered in his debut Test series (Ashes) in 2019.

    The pacer has been the first choice bowler for the side in the Tests against West Indies and Pakistan. He was just dropped for the second Test against Windies as he broke the team’s bio-secure bubble and as a result, was punished.

    “He’s capable of winning games, there’s no doubt about that. He might have a quiet game every now and again, and he might not always get it right. But there will be times as well when it turns up and wins you a game in a session, and turns a game on its head,” Root said.

    “We all get very excited when [Archer]‘s bowling up around 90 miles an hour, and certainly that will cause batters a lot of trouble. But there is more to it than that. And that we’ve got to understand that he has a bigger package to offer. Jofra is a huge talent, we all know that, and he’s not always going to get it right. He’s very young still and he’s still learning and there is definitely a lot of many winning performances in him,” he added.

    England chased down a target of 277 on the fourth day of the first Test to go 1-0 ahead in the three-match series.

    The hosts were 117/5 at one stage, but it was then that Jos Buttler and Chris Woakes put up a 139-run stand to revive England’s hopes.

    In the end, England won the match by three wickets as Woakes played an unbeaten knock of 84 runs.

    The second Test between England and Pakistan will be played at the Ageas Bowl, Southampton from August 13-17. (ANI)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafizexpress View Post
    That's surprising to me tho.. in the world cup he was easily bowling regularly over 90 mph
    White ball cricket is a whole difficult ballgame. Shaheen was clocking 145 - 150 in the PSL whilst we know that is not his red ball pace or the kind of pace he can maintain over after over. Musa turned into a 135 km/hr bowler last year vs Australia after being hyped up as an express bowler. Same story with many others.

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    JOFRA ARCHER: I can’t bowl 90mph Ashes spells all the time… it’s unrealistic for England fans to expect that from me

    Selection is up to the management, of course, but I truly feel any line-up of seamers we put out for the second Test against Pakistan in Southampton on Thursday are going to do the job.

    All four of us have played three of the four Tests this summer, so anyone could get a rotation about now - but whoever comes in or moves out, we have bowlers with the versatility to cover.

    I feel I could do a job with the new ball if required, although I could never demand it in a team in which we have two guys with 500-plus Test wickets in Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad.

    Everyone is pretty much an opening bowler for their county, so asking them to adapt to that role in a Test will not be a shock. Equally, when I first played for Sussex I did not see the ball until 15 overs in, so I have probably gone back to where I started, to be honest.

    My performance in Manchester was all right. I went at two runs per over for large spells and took four wickets. If you were offered four wickets before every game, you would take it. Looking at the scorecard, four wickets was a decent return for a pacer.

    Of course, as an international cricketer your performances get analysed, although unfortunately the analysis doesn’t always account for what you have to go through as a fast bowler.

    Take Jimmy Anderson as an example. I reckon he bowled around 40 balls that could have taken wickets in the match. But they were missed by the batsmen, and that is just how cricket is.

    Watch next week, if he plays. He takes five-for and those same people judging so harshly are quiet. Or they will be asking what he did to overturn his luck. I would suggest he won’t do much different.

    I cannot get away from the fact there is always attention towards the pace I am producing.

    From my perspective, I know I can bowl one or two 90mph deliveries a spell even when not everything is clicking, but to do it every ball, everything has to be working perfectly in unison and you have to be in that perfect, competitive mind frame.

    Not everything comes together all the time.

    People look back at my debut performance in the Ashes Test at Lord’s last year and expect that kind of display everywhere, but it is unrealistic.

    I wish there was more appreciation for what fast bowlers have to go through. There was excitement at the way I bowled against Australia, but no credit when I sent down 42 overs in an innings against New Zealand in Mount Maunganui.

    I can’t remember the last time I saw a paceman bowl more than 40 overs in an innings.

    People will judge you how they want and there are a lot of opinions out there. But I am a 25-year-old fast bowler trying to develop my game and the opinions that matter most to me are the ones of my team-mates.

    As long as Joe Root and my England team-mates are fine, I really don’t care what other people are thinking.

    Sure, they can criticise my pace but this is the first set of cricket matches we have played since I got injured last winter.

    It can take some players longer than others to find their feet again and as long as the people in and around this circle are understanding - and it 100 per cent seems like they are - I am very happy and in a good head space.

    WE CAN WIN THE SERIES 3-0

    There has been a bit of focus on this England team not being able to start series well and I hope we continue with the momentum we have got now courtesy of the three-wicket win over Pakistan.

    Against West Indies, we lost the first one and had to fight back hard, so I hope all the guys remain this focused. If that’s the case, there is no reason we shouldn’t go on and win 3-0.

    Momentum is important in cricket and, looking back at last year’s World Cup, we started to peak at the right time.

    Developing it has a lot to do with confidence and I remember from the group game against New Zealand I felt nobody could beat us from there.

    From the moment we absolutely had to win, matches against India and Australia included, I knew we were going to go the whole way.

    STOKES IS A BIG LOSS

    We now have to complete the job without Ben Stokes. He is someone we would miss even if he was unable to bowl or hit a ball. He has such an impact in the changing room beyond what he does in the middle.

    When I was in quarantine in Manchester, he would come past my hotel room each night after play - as did Joe Root - knock on the door and check on me. He cares about those around him.

    If you are going into battle, Stokes is the person you want right next to you. He would never run away from a challenge, but family is so important and he has to be in New Zealand right now. We all understand that, support him and hope things settle quickly and he can come back when he is ready.

    We owe it to him to cover for his loss. Of course, any team in the world would find it hard to replace a player of his magnitude and yet I feel we will be fine because someone will step up, as Jos and Woakesy did over the weekend.

    I can promise you that.

    WE HAVE THE TALENT TO PULL OF MORE MIRACLES

    Moments like we experienced on Saturday evening are what you play for. When Pakistan opened up a first-innings lead of 107 runs, all the guys responded.

    We realised the situation we were in and that if we wanted to win then that third innings had to be the best of the whole game for us to make it possible. We adapted well.

    From my perspective, we have enough talent in this side to win games like that more often than not. We have to keep winning games from positions some would say are out of nowhere, so that eventually we will not be written off when we are chasing targets of 250 runs or more for victory.

    It was portrayed as a miracle that we won, but we need to keep doing it so that it won’t feel like a miracle in future, it will be expected.

    Yes, we were under pressure from the get-go. We know Pakistan have a quality bowling attack and that they were going to challenge us, but Jos Buttler and Chris Woakes played extremely well. Jos said later he felt under pressure and Woakesy hadn’t got many runs for a while, but Mother Cricket is a funny game.

    As a bowler you might bowl well and get nothing, but on another day end up with a dodgy five-for.

    When you put the work in, the rewards will come and both of them stepped up at the exact time the team needed them. Next time, it might be someone else’s turn. Who knows? That’s why I love the sport. It’s so unpredictable.

    Buttler and Woakes are high-quality players and at some point they were going to do something like they did at Old Trafford.

    Every single player in our team is a match-winner.

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    I agree with him. If he can maintain this pace away from England though then it is completely fine if he focuses on giving his team around 80mph in England.

    There is no point having a fast bowler who plays test cricket only for a few years and then struggles with injuries.

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    It's funny England wants everyone to be patient with 25 Yr old Archer while Pakistani fans have givin their stamp of failure on 20 yr old two Shah's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    It's funny England wants everyone to be patient with 25 Yr old Archer while Pakistani fans have givin their stamp of failure on 20 yr old two Shah's
    Lol so true


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