Sachin Tendulkar - Mega Discussion Thread

[ajithrocks]

Kallis, sanga, smith are the guys who have a remote chance of breaking his record.

Kallis is someone whom we often tend to forget. He is slowly catching up, and he is younger to ponting, and he has a better attitude to batting than ponting. So he has a remote change to beat sachin, provided sachin hangs up his boots.

Smith has a realistic chance as he has age by his side.. provided his poppadom fingers hold up..

Sanga has a chance as he plays a lot in Lanka (especially SSC). he is the fastest to 8k and might as well be the fastest to 9k at the current rate..

In case of ODIs, I don't think anyone can break his record.. however I feel de villiers will become equally prolific as sachin was..

[TigerJat]

It would have to be another prodigy, I don't see one at this time.

Probably someone from England or Australia could do it, now that they are playing younger players. Those two countries do seem to play a lot of tests

[TigerJat]

ODIs in the coming years will become fewer, once T20 picks up more steam. So the ODI records will probably not get broken

[MR__KHAN__JI]

ODIs in the coming years will become fewer, once T20 picks up more steam. So the ODI records will probably not get broken

I think there is enough appetite for all three formats to survie with different types of people interested in the different formats.

Its not right that the top 8 teams don't play the exact same number of matches a year...

how hard can it be.

[UmarMalik]

He's irreplaceable - Love him !

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Cookys on a mission....

[Cover Drive]

Just for a season...

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Probably....

but they say the beat years are from 27 to 30.... he going to be 36 shortly....

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Kallis is closing in on Ponting....

11551 vs 12333

14402 for Tendulkar though.....

Kallis is the most underrated batsman in the world.... he's also speeding his batting up (maybe thats just the Indian bowling though) - Todays century was has fastest....

The only downside is that he has never scored a double century... (which makes his average even more special as it hasnt been inflated with double or triple centuries)

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Cook - Age 26

Runs - 5130

Ave - 48

England play 10-12 test per year....

Could he... catch Sachin?

[freelance_cricketer]

There is not even a chance, Cook is fine. But just not legendary material.

ABD looks more special

[freelance_cricketer]

Alistair Cook

[JibranAnsari]

cook and ABD have real chance.

[freelance_cricketer]

I think Tendulkar has under achieved in test cricket, he will end up with some 16,000 test runs whereas he should have got close to 20,000

HUH

[Justcrazy]

The important thing is that Tendulkar is still not over. By the time he finishes it will be just impossible to break his record of most runs in both the formats.

Cook will probably end up with around 13 k runs but that will be also well short of Tendulkars runs. We have to accept that certain records WILL STAY ON & ON & ON

[Fireworks11]

I think Tendulkar has under achieved in test cricket, he will end up with some 16,000 test runs whereas he should have got close to 20,000

HUH

20K Test runs is certainly possible. He'll want to prolong his Test career for as long as possible. I think he should retire from ODIs very soon.

[freelance_cricketer]

That's why he let's go the West Indies tour? :/

BTW, at this rate how long will it take Jonathan Trott to get to 15,000 test runs?
He averages 70 and England plays 12 tests a year

[Fireworks11]

^There's a big England tour round the corner, that's why. He needs to recharge his batteries after the IPL adventure.

[Shaheerthe2nd]

If only Trott was ten years younger!

[ddss]

Maybe in tests, in ODIs there is no one.

You need a very young age, consistancy, fitness, and you need to be from the top 8 teams.

[Romali_rotti]

Cook looks like a real threat for challenging SRT's test records..

[Bleed_Blue]

In Test---Yes
In One day-->Has to be a prodigy with remarkable consistency for a long long period of time.

[KFC_Zinger]

• In tests :: 51 (100's) and 14k+ runs..its very very tuf, nearly impsble
  
• In ODI's ::: R u kidding, no one will ever come even close to him

[Kray_jackson7]

Yes i mean lets be realistic at his age he probably isnt anywhere near as fast as he used to be. i believe if you chase after him full speed you will catch him pretty easy

[KFC_Zinger]

Yes i mean lets be realistic at his age he probably isnt anywhere near as fast as he used to be. i believe if you chase after him full speed you will catch him pretty easy

O yaara he drives a ferrari.....

[Bleed_Blue]

O yaara he drives a ferrari.....

On mumbai road you can catch his ferrari with a cycle

[Kray_jackson7]

O yaara he drives a ferrari.....

Plan ahead, take the air out of his tires before the chase

[PakPrince]

many may catch up with his average..

but very unlikely that anyone will catch up with the nomber of runs

[DW44]

Quantitatively, probably not. He has played too much cricket for that to be a realistic possibility. Qualitatively, many will and already have. Throughout his career, there have been at least 2-3 batsman playing in the same era who scored just as prolifically and against the same opposition under similar or at times tougher conditions. His edge over his contemporaries is quantitative - he has the most runs, most tons, most number of games etc. His averages are about the same as the 10-15 best batsmen of his generation so in terms of quality, there's several batsmen who're in the same league but none of them have played consistently for 20 years and that's where he edges out everyone.

[PakFan2010]

Shahid Afridi could catch him up if he hits big sixes, not small ones.

[Romali_rotti]

Edit...

[Romali_rotti]

Qualitatively, many will and already have. Throughout his career, there have been at least 2-3 batsman playing in the same era who scored just as prolifically and against the same opposition under similar or at times tougher conditions.

Highlighted bits; Who are these 3 bats you are talking about ?

[style_guru]

Sachin's humbleness and selfless attitude is what has kept him ahead of other's. I still can't find any other player who is even close to him when it comes to bieng a perfect role model. I mean 20 years after bieng termed as a great batsman day in and day out, the guy has managed to keep his feet on ground. That itself is an achievement which i doubt will ever be achieved by anyone. To play at top level for 20+ years and having stayed clear of any major controversy says it all. I have had the chance to interact with E.M Goldratt once and he told me that the biggest challenge faced by today's generation is that they can't keep the flame lightened for a substantial period. Means that today's generation is far more aggresive when it comes to achieving a goal, but once it's there they lose their focus and start running after something else and so on..


@ Runs: I feel that in cricket it's more of mental then physical strength that's required. The bottom line is that it's not impossible to beat his record for most runs. But it'll only achieved by someone whose mind is never clouded through the journey.

[ElRaja]

at 25 sachin had scored 5177 runs from 68 tests, cook had 4859 from 63. not too much in it, although cook does have lean patches so you never can be sure.

with the regularity of english test cricket and him being a test opener he has at least 400 odd runs a summer (~14 innings) guaranteed, add to that 200 or 300 away runs, and conservatively he will score 700 runs a season, meaning even playing really mediocre he will end up with around 11k to 12k runs playing for 10 more years.

if he continues his aus form, say he averages 50 odd, with average 14 tests a year he can make 1000 runs a year, he will really have a good chance to better that.

kallis could do it if he had a 1200 odd run season, might motivate him to go for it. dont think he can overcome the gap unless sach retires tmou.

[Ummer Khan]

at 25 sachin had scored 5177 runs from 68 tests, cook had 4859 from 63. not too much in it, although cook does have lean patches so you never can be sure.

with the regularity of english test cricket and him being a test opener he has at least 400 odd runs a summer (~14 innings) guaranteed, add to that 200 or 300 away runs, and conservatively he will score 700 runs a season, meaning even playing really mediocre he will end up with around 11k to 12k runs playing for 10 more years.

if he continues his aus form, say he averages 50 odd, with average 14 tests a year he can make 1000 runs a year, he will really have a good chance to better that.

kallis could do it if he had a 1200 odd run season, might motivate him to go for it. dont think he can overcome the gap unless sach retires tmou.

Cook has 5263 runs from 66 TESTS now, better than SACHIN, although just by a small margin.

[Bleed_Blue]

Forget about it.

Trott and Cook will retire before sachin

[cornered-tigers]

And yet Kallis has never won a match with the ball.

Calling Kallis an all-rounder is a joke, when his bowling is so pedestrian, compare that with the bowling of Imran, Kapil, Hadlee and you would know,

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Cooky... is on 5843 runs from 124 innings...

Sachin.... is on 14851 runs from 295 innings...

[farsiddiqui]

I know we all love to take a shot at Sachin, mainly to annoy the annoying cultists, but in all honesty, what makes Sachin special is that he has sustained excellence for such a long period of time.

Cook has had a good career and is having a great year, but he needs to do that for a decade. Most players have drop-off in their performance long before they get to 38.

[freelance_cricketer]

He's on track. Time in his side as well. Let's see if Cook can get past Tendulkar in tests.
Lagging far behind in limited overs though

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Current position...





At Age 26 - Cook playing for 5 years and Tendu 11 years....

[W63L35]

Can anyone catch Sachin......?

Mike Dennes caught him red handed but bloody BCCI bullied their way into getting him go unpunished.

[Fireworks11]

Cook has a genuine shot here, he's young and loves batting for long periods ... But he needs to retire soon to have a set goal in mind.

[RWAC]

Current position...

Ponting can definitely catch up if Tendulkar retires after having a mediocre year and Ponting plays in the best form of his life for the next 2 years. But again, this is basing it on 2 assumptions.

I wouldn't place my money on Kallis. He'll get close, but somehow I get a feeling that he won't be heavily consistent to surpass SRT.

At Age 26 - Cook playing for 5 years and Tendu 11 years....

Hmm..but they both have played almost the same # of matches by age 26. So, Sachin had been in international cricket for twice as long by the age of 26 than Cook, but he had roughly played the same # of matches. This is why I agree with the poster who said Sachin will be considered as having underachieved in Tests. If only he had played more Tests when he was in one of his prime forms in the 90s, he'd easily be starting at 20k odd runs.

[W63L35]

If only he had played more Tests when he was in one of his prime forms in the 90s, he'd easily be starting at 20k odd runs.

If there was no world war, and 11-14 tests during Bradman's career, he would have ended up with 50K runs.


If only PCB has scheduled as many matches as BCCI during Miandad's career, he would have also easily ended up 20K in 1976-1992.

If Nehru was alive, he would still be Prime Minister on India.

[rajan70]

No can can reach Sachin's combined tally of runs and centuries ever in this lifetime . All his haters and lovers will die but his record will always shine leaving no confusion in minds of people to remember him as the Greatest Batsman / Cricketer ever .

[James]

England fans don't really care about those kind of records. As long as Cook, Bell and KP all keep winning games and maybe even reach 10,000 career runs (which no England player has ever done), we'll be more than happy.

[RWAC]

If there was no world war, and 11-14 tests during Bradman's career, he would have ended up with 50K runs.


If only PCB has scheduled as many matches as BCCI during Miandad's career, he would have also easily ended up 20K in 1976-1992.

If Nehru was alive, he would still be Prime Minister on India.

If someone had decided to just go to sleep that night, the world would have had one less idiot.

Before nitpicking, it would have helped to read the whole post and the context. I was saying Sachin got fewer opportunities than Cook. And it is most likely possible he would have made a lot more runs, given the same opportunities as Cook. That's not some fantasy wish. That's called drawing an inference.

Or in your case "Oh wait someone saying something good about Sachin. Let me just pick out anything and try to negate him".

[SID_ZONE]

If someone had decided to just go to sleep that night, the world would have had one less idiot.

Before nitpicking, it would have helped to read the whole post and the context. I was saying Sachin got fewer opportunities than Cook. And it is most likely possible he would have made a lot more runs, given the same opportunities as Cook. That's not some fantasy wish. That's called drawing an inference.

Or in your case "Oh wait someone saying something good about Sachin. Let me just pick out anything and try to negate him".

Ouch! That must have hit someone really hard

[W63L35]

If someone had decided to just go to sleep that night, the world would have had one less idiot.

If 1 billion people stop whining about everything and anything, the world would be much quieter place..... but what are the chances??

Before nitpicking, it would have helped to read the whole post and the context. I was saying Sachin got fewer opportunities than Cook. And it is most likely possible he would have made a lot more runs, given the same opportunities as Cook. That's not some fantasy wish. That's called drawing an inference.

My point exactly... if someone had an iota of smartness....a lot less paranoia and a not sensitive like a 13-year girl, he would have understood that I was agreeing ...and making the exact same point with Bradmand and Miandad example.

Or in your case "Oh wait someone saying something good about Sachin. Let me just pick out anything and try to negate him".

Read my two comments above... you may understand what are saying ...let alone what I was saying!

Ouch! That must have hit someone really hard

So which one is you in this video? Must be the first on the lowest bench!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfGzjbpUedY

[RWAC]

Lame attempt in your previous post, so try again. But let's see what you posted originally.

If there was no world war, and 11-14 tests during Bradman's career, he would have ended up with 50K runs.

Yeah, so what's even wrong in saying this about Bradman or what I said about Sachin? Surely, you must have read those articles on Cricinfo where writers do wonder how would have Bradman ended up if he had gotten more chances to play. Or has it never been said that if xyz player had not been injured/had more opportunities to play, he would have done better.

Read through such threads about Sachin and you will find plenty of posts also saying that IF someone gets to start at an early age as Sachin, they can overtake him. Or heck, even read the first part of my original post, where I said IF Sachin retires in a year then Ponting might overtake him.

If only PCB has scheduled as many matches as BCCI during Miandad's career, he would have also easily ended up 20K in 1976-1992.

Again, my comment was made in a specific context. That by the age of 26, even though Tendulkar had been playing international for more years than Cook, he still roughly had the same # of matches. And if one thing the biggest Sachin haters can't deny is his sheer consistency over the past two decades. Hence, I made an inference that if he got to play as many matches/year as Cook does, and given his consistent record, he would have been staring down 20k odd runs.

Your Javed Miandad case isn't even that strong here. He played roughly the same # of matches as Sachin did (172) in roughly the same time period. Both were given (almost) equal opportunities then. And we both know who outscored whom.

If Nehru was alive, he would still be Prime Minister on India.

If Tendulkar had started playing at age 7 and goes on to play till age 70, he will have scored a 100k runs. (Since we are playing a game of adding absolutely redundant, implausible, meaningless statements in this section it seems).

[W63L35]

In an overall/bigger picture I was agreeing with you.... but if you are so dead set on your believing what you believe, then what can I do!

Again, my comment was made in a specific context. That by the age of 26, even though Tendulkar had been playing international for more years than Cook, he still roughly had the same # of matches. And if one thing the biggest Sachin haters can't deny is his sheer consistency over the past two decades. Hence, I made an inference that if he got to play as many matches/year as Cook does, and given his consistent record, he would have been staring down 20k odd runs.

If only he had played more Tests when he was in one of his prime forms in the 90s, he'd easily be starting at 20k odd runs.

There are/were two issues with your above statements in this context;
1) How do you know for sure that Cook will keep getting as many matches per year in future as he has gotten so far????
2) On one hand you guys beat you chest about Sachin ....being consistent through out his career and then you say that he was at his peek in 1990s. See the chart below.

See the chart below...... notice that you Sachinistas don't even know your own hero. Out of his top 14 years (by average), only FIVE were 1990s. So ...to your point of Sachin being in his peek form in 1990s.... go and get to know your own player before opening your mouth and inserting your right foot into it.

People like me are not Sachin haters....becuase there is nothing we say can take away even single runs from his 31K runs ..... I just hate the fans like you ..who paint a complete inaccurate picture of Sachin without knowing what he did before your guys were born.

Your Javed Miandad case isn't even that strong here. He played roughly the same # of matches as Sachin did (172) in roughly the same time period. Both were given equal opportunities then.

...weren't you whining about Sachin not getting enough matches in 1990s? My point was not comparing Miandad with Sachin as a batsman.... becuase there is no comparison (read: Mike Holding's comment about Sachin not being fighter). My point was that Miandad also did not get "enough" tests when he was at his peak. See his top years (by average) and see how many matches he played;
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

If Tendulkar had started playing at age 7 and goes on to play till age 70, he will have scored a 100k runs. (Since we are playing a game of adding absolutely redundant, implausible, meaningless statements in this section it seems).

No... you were playing the game of would-have/should-have/could-have..... and I was just following along. Plus you were making false statements about his being at peek in 1990s.

[AlizeeFan]

^ Cumulative average of Sachin

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...iew=cumulative

Reverse cumulative average

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...rse_cumulative

He is certainly doing better than 90s.

[W63L35]

^ Cumulative average of Sachin

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...iew=cumulative

Reverse cumulative average

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...rse_cumulative

He is certainly doing better than 90s.

Care to explain my chart above where only 5 years from 1990s showed up in top 14 of his years?

[AlizeeFan]

Care to explain my chart above where only 5 years from 1990s showed up in top 14 of his years?

What did you interpret from my post?

I meant he is scoring more runs these days and no surprise that only 5 years from top 14 are from 90s.

[W63L35]

What did you interpret from my post?

I meant he is scoring more runs these days and no surprise that only 5 years from top 14 are from 90s.

Sorry ... misunderstood!

[AlizeeFan]

Sorry ... misunderstood!

Reverse cumulative average shows that his averages was over 54 during almost whole last decade. While in 90s, the averages rises over 50 just for second half of 90s.

However 90s are considered as best part of his career.

During 90s

Matches : 69
Runs : 5626
Avg : 58

During 2000s
Matches : 103
Runs : 8691
Avg : 56.43

During 90s



Highest average in 90s. That was the time when 50 was considered amazing average.

Last decade



This was the decade when 55 became new 50.


During 90s, only first few years of his career were not so good, but once he got his best form he hardly had many downfalls.

During last decade, he had many bad patches and some really good ones.

Anyone who watched his batting during 90s would know how good was he back then. He used to play his strokes and always looked in good touch. He used to take on the bowlers.

One can he see that he played 34 more matches in last decade and because of those (abrupt high peaks + more matches), he has more 9 years from last decade in his 14 best years.

During those peak years in last decade he has done better than 90s. But during lean patches, he has been ordinary.

Those who watched him during 90s won't need any type of stats to tell that he was playing his best cricket then.



Almost similar trend in ODIs also

[W63L35]

@Alizeefan... interesting and generally good analysis.

However 90s are considered as best part of his career.

During 90s

Matches : 69
Runs : 5626
Avg : 58

During 2000s
Matches : 103
Runs : 8691
Avg : 56.43

Difference in average 1.5 does not prove that he was in his peak form in 1990s....as RAWC stated?

One can he see that he played 34 more matches in last decade and because of those (abrupt high peaks + more matches), he has more 9 years from last decade in his 14 best years.

How does playing 34 matches results in higher average? He could have played 100 more tests in 2000s and still averaged less than 30. I absolutely do not see relationship in more matches and more years of higher averages. How do you?

During those peak years in last decade he has done better than 90s. But during lean patches, he has been ordinary.

True...but as RR will give you an excuse that he was injured for two years and was highly selfish to keep playing with that injury.

Those who watched him during 90s won't need any type of stats to tell that he was playing his best cricket then.

yes and no...... stats are certainly not the only factor but they help to highlight certain areas of strength or weaknesses of a given player.

Almost similar trend in ODIs also

If you mean same trend as test matches.. then yes only FOUR years of top 14 years are from 1990s. Keep in mind he failed to score a 100 in first 5 years.

[cricketindiafan]

We are generally playing more tests/ODIs in 2000s compared to what we played in the 90s, thats why you see the years from 2000s appearing more often in Sachin's top years.

Give me the Sachin of 96-00 over Sachin of any other time (2010 was the nearest he came to batting like those times again)

[Romali_rotti]

If you mean same trend as test matches.. then yes only FOUR years of top 14 years are from 1990s. Keep in mind he failed to score a 100 in first 5 years.

WHere the heck did you get that from ? His first test 100 was in 1990 vs ENG....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...chin_Tendulkar

[SID_ZONE]

^ He meant in ODI's.

[emclub]

Never

[W63L35]

@ SID_ZONE
Thanks for clarifying but here the visual for any sensitive, paranoid and visually impaired Sachinistas;

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Catching Sachin runs will be possible but catching centuries scored in losing cause will be difficult.

[Romali_rotti]

@ SID_ZONE
Thanks for clarifying but here the visual for any sensitive, paranoid and visually impaired Sachinistas;

Ok Rahul Dravid rules

[AlizeeFan]

Difference in average 1.5 does not prove that he was in his peak form in 1990s....as RAWC stated?

I'm sure you know what average of 58 meant in 90s and what 56 means in 2000s. Look at the batting stats of other batsmen during that period. Only 3 batsman averaged over 50 during that decade. In 2000s, all batsmen in my list have average over 50.

Like I said earlier 55 is new 50 for 2000s.

[rajan70]

Catching Sachin runs will be possible but catching centuries scored in losing cause will be difficult.

Surely the same way Pakistan's record of choking against India in WCs is impossible to break .

[kkmix]

no he is too small, he will go between legs.

[AlizeeFan]

Catching Sachin runs will be possible but catching centuries scored in losing cause will be difficult.

Someone is already ahead of him



MoYo had good chance of catching him up in this case. ( 90 matches, 24 centuries, 8 in losing cause), Sachin (181 matches, 51 centuries, 11 in losing cause).

[SID_ZONE]

Catching Sachin runs will be possible but catching centuries scored in losing cause will be difficult.

Someone is already ahead of him



MoYo had good chance of catching him up in this case. ( 90 matches, 24 centuries, 8 in losing cause), Sachin (181 matches, 51 centuries, 11 in losing cause).

Owned

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Someone is already ahead of him



MoYo had good chance of catching him up in this case. ( 90 matches, 24 centuries, 8 in losing cause), Sachin (181 matches, 51 centuries, 11 in losing cause).

How many altogether! I was refering to centuries both in odis n tests.


Btw how many have been in winning cause( exclude draws)

[SID_ZONE]

How many altogether! I was refering to centuries both in odis n tests.


Btw how many have been in winning cause( exclude draws)

[AlizeeFan]

Catching Sachin runs will be possible but catching centuries scored in losing cause will be difficult.

How many altogether! I was refering to centuries both in odis n tests.

Ah, sorry. I read the first post of this thread and thought it was about test matches.

[Justcrazy]

Cook can take overtake Sachin, if he remains injury free.

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Ah, sorry. I read the first post of this thread and thought it was about test matches.

I hvent said test matches, i just said centuries in losing cause

You manipulate it for ya benefit

[AlizeeFan]

Cook can take overtake Sachin, if he remains injury free.

Yeah, he looks best to overtake him. He will have to maintain form also. Every player experiences lean patches in the career. How responds to changes in his career will be crucial.

I hvent said test matches, i just said centuries in losing cause

You manipulate it for ya benefit

I didn't manipulate it. Like I said earlier discussion was going about the test matches and thread is about tests only. So, what I'm suppose to think about a post in this thread when nothing has been mentioned? In that case your post could have been test, ODIs, T20 combined or even the FC classes.

For ex - look at the post of Justcrazy. He mentions that Cook can overtake him. Can we say that it's next to impossible for Cook as he has hardly one-fifth (21) of total centuries of Sachin (99)? He didn't mention overall or tests, anything like that. Did I manipulate it for my benefit while replying to him also? Btw, what's my benefit here?

[cricketindiafan]

Sachin now needs just 527 runs to beat Gooch's record of highest runs in List A matches.
Currently the top 3 are

Gooch 613 matches, 22211 runs@40 with 44 100s
Hick 651 matches, 22059 runs@41 with 40 100s
Sachin 541 matches, 21684 runs@46 with 59 100s

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Sachin now needs just 527 runs to beat Gooch's record of highest runs in List A matches.
Currently the top 3 are

Gooch 613 matches, 22211 runs@40 with 44 100s
Hick 651 matches, 22059 runs@41 with 40 100s
Sachin 541 matches, 21684 runs@46 with 59 100s

This ones in Sachins destiny..... batting from Age 16 to 40?

[Jo_Don]

And yet Kallis has never won a match with the ball.

A quick google:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64041.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63927.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64812.html

It's funny how these sorts of performances go unnoticed. The reason why Kallis is often overlooked is because he goes about doing his job in the background - there's no big ceremony when he does well. And secondly, he's not used as much because the other bowlers usually do the job.

If you want overrated, then take a look at Flintoff. He does well in one Ashes series and suddenly the English rate him among the best.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

A quick google:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64041.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63927.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64812.html

It's funny how these sorts of performances go unnoticed. The reason why Kallis is often overlooked is because he goes about doing his job in the background - there's no big ceremony when he does well. And secondly, he's not used as much because the other bowlers usually do the job.

If you want overrated, then take a look at Flintoff. He does well in one Ashes series and suddenly the English rate him among the best.

I rate Kallis quite highly.... Currently the most under-rated international player.

He is about to overtake Zaheer Khan for test wickets.