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    Quote Originally Posted by cornered-tigers View Post
    Calling Kallis an all-rounder is a joke, when his bowling is so pedestrian, compare that with the bowling of Imran, Kapil, Hadlee and you would know,
    Compare their batting with Kallis' and they'll also be a joke. Silly comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakhtoon_Rules View Post
    I hvent said test matches, i just said centuries in losing cause

    You manipulate it for ya benefit
    and you ignore this post for ya benefit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    Compare their batting with Kallis' and they'll also be a joke. Silly comparison.
    I think by call all-rounders... all-rounders we do them a dis-service.

    You have two separate species.

    Bowling all-rounders and batting all-rounders...

    You can only realistically compare like for like.

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    Put it this way.... Statistically speaking you almost have....

    Kallis = Sachin + Zaheer Khan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI View Post
    I think by call all-rounders... all-rounders we do them a dis-service.

    You have two separate species.

    Bowling all-rounders and batting all-rounders...

    You can only realistically compare like for like.
    Yeah that's exactly the point. Comparing a bowling allrounder to a batting allrounder makes no sense. Then you get those who are average at both, like Flintoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    Yeah that's exactly the point. Comparing a bowling allrounder to a batting allrounder makes no sense. Then you get those who are average at both, like Flintoff
    The only one that can challenge Kallis is Sobers.

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    i hope someone breaks tendulkars records. records are meant to be broken. even better if an indian breaks them

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    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

    Currently Cook is featured on the 3rd page of that list ... it will need a herculean effort to get anywhere close to Tendulkar. His only realistic chance is in Tests (and thats by assuming he wont lose his form and fitness playing both ODIs and Tests as a Captain which he will be very soon ) ... But Tests and ODIs Combined ? fugget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    If there was no world war, and 11-14 tests during Bradman's career, he would have ended up with 50K runs.


    If only PCB has scheduled as many matches as BCCI during Miandad's career, he would have also easily ended up 20K in 1976-1992.

    If Nehru was alive, he would still be Prime Minister on India.
    Even if you combine Inzi and JM's test runs it wont come anywhere close to 20K ... and between them they played 224 Test matches. But a certain Indian player who you like to diss will come very close (if not go past it ) to this combined RUNS tally of Inzi + JM ( = 17662) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricaddict View Post
    Even if you combine Inzi and JM's test runs it wont come anywhere close to 20K ... and between them they played 224 Test matches. But a certain Indian player who you like to diss will come very close (if not go past it ) to this combined RUNS tally of Inzi + JM ( = 17662) .
    A lot of people can talk about a lot of ifs and buts (specially & ) but here is reality....which none of the 10-year old Sachinistas seemed to have digest very well and caused them severe heart burn... as you could see from the subsequent replies;

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...00&postcount=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    A lot of people can talk about a lot of ifs and buts (specially & ) but here is reality....which none of the 10-year old Sachinistas seemed to have digest very well and caused them severe heart burn... as you could see from the subsequent replies;

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...00&postcount=1
    will respond on that thread (not that its going to make any diff as Iam sure others would have tried already )

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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    A lot of people can talk about a lot of ifs and buts (specially & ) but here is reality....which none of the 10-year old Sachinistas seemed to have digest very well and caused them severe heart burn... as you could see from the subsequent replies;

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...00&postcount=1
    That has to one of your worst posts ever on PP!! Comparing combined efforts of Kallis and Cullinan against one batsman! Woah

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    Quote Originally Posted by SID_ZONE View Post
    That has to one of your worst posts ever on PP!! Comparing combined efforts of Kallis and Cullinan against one batsman! Woah
    That is exactly why it still give a lot of people severe heart burn??

    I don't care if you call it the worst post of all the cricket forums in the world..... but I asked a simple question ... and am yet to hear a reply!

    Read first two posts ... and then reply to a simle question in the 3rd one.

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...00&postcount=1

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...1&postcount=39

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...1&postcount=41

    Lets see your best reply to my worst post!

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    With Sachin reaching 15000... I thought it was time for an update....

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    Kallis needs a couple of really good years

    Smiths career seems to have plateaued.

    Cook has 10ish years to get 9000 runs...


    And our young pretenders.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI View Post
    With Sachin reaching 15000... I thought it was time for an update....

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    Kallis needs a couple of really good years

    Smiths career seems to have plateaued.

    Cook has 10ish years to get 9000 runs...


    And our young pretenders.....

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    Ponting reaches 13000..... but still 2000 runs behind Tendu.

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    Taufeeq overtakes Kamran.... Umar Akmal being wasted.

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    M.Clarke and AB de Villiers look good to reach the land mark or get close to it I guess.

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    Mr KHAN JI - just one editing to your previous comment, Umar Akmal is not being wasted. He is not utilizing on his potential. He messes up his starts and loses concentration in the middle.


    Rana the flying doormat!!! - Shane Warne

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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    Ponting deserves to over take Sachin. He has been the captain as well which makes life tough in the middle. With so much responsibility on his shoulder he has saved australia many times from crisis situations and also played match winning innings. Also got the title "Sir Ricky Ponting" in my books.
    Its almost an year now..and How right was back 1 year. Ponting plays for the team whereas Sachin played for records as its quite clear he doesnt care about team india. He cares about his 100th 100.

    Ponting you're a LEGEND. Hope you keep scoring runs and one day overtake Tendulkar in # of centuries.


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    Cricket Australia needs to arrange few test series against Zimbabwe, Ponting only has 2 centuries against the minnows compared to 8 by Tendulkar, Without Zimbabwe and Bangladesh Punter is behind by only 4 centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    At this time, I don't think so. Some prodigy will no doubt appear decades hence, though.

    Cook will get 10,000 though.
    only if he does not face bowlers like Amer ;)


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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    Its almost an year now..and How right was back 1 year. Ponting plays for the team whereas Sachin played for records as its quite clear he doesnt care about team india. He cares about his 100th 100.

    Ponting you're a LEGEND. Hope you keep scoring runs and one day overtake Tendulkar in # of centuries.
    lol why is that so clear,because u thought that in ur bathroom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    lol why is that so clear,because u thought that in ur bathroom?
    Keeping jokes aside, I did mention why in other thread. He could have retired at the end of World cup but he didnt and he chose to play for records. Now this great 7-0 loss has taken some shine away from his career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI View Post
    I have added current PAKISTAN "Youngsters" to the list.....

    I have also added columns for innings per 50 and innings per 100.
    Inzi, MO Yousaf and Younis could not do Javeds record?

    No one from pakistan can catch Sachin long as we keep playing away from home and keep 2 test series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    Keeping jokes aside, I did mention why in other thread. He could have retired at the end of World cup but he didnt and he chose to play for records. Now this great 7-0 loss has taken some shine away from his career.
    I posted the question there too,why should he have retired after WC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    I posted the question there too,why should he have retired after WC
    cuz that was the pinnacle of Cricketing sport and he had achieved everything at the end of it. He should have made way for Indian youngsters but because nobody could have raised any question to this great great man of Indian cricket, he decided to keep on playing for his records selfishly.

    Until the World Cup, India benefited from him

    now after the World Cup, he's benefiting from India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mate1 View Post
    only if he does not face bowlers like Amer ;)
    Team me to aney do Amir ko pehle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    cuz that was the pinnacle of Cricketing sport and he had achieved everything at the end of it. He should have made way for Indian youngsters but because nobody could have raised any question to this great great man of Indian cricket, he decided to keep on playing for his records selfishly.

    Until the World Cup, India benefited from him

    now after the World Cup, he's benefiting from India.
    achieved everything,series win in Aus was remaining.sure he would never get it now,but nothing wrong in wanting to have a shot

    n even if had achieved everything,so what?u play the game for its enjoyment,not achievements.by your logic guys like Ponting,Warne,McGrath should hv retired a lot earlier than they did since they had achieved everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saurav View Post
    lol why is that so clear,because u thought that in ur bathroom?

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    Nayyyy, its pretty safe, Ponting wont last against SA, ENG or India @ India ofcourse, this may just be a short extended lease... SRT the top dawg...


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    This competition being kept alive is the best thing that a Sachin fan can ask for ( you know why)

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    I do not think Pakistan Player can ever get to 10 k ..... Pakistan plays have very short Test Careers , also the fact that they do not get enough hundreds.


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    ^MoYo was going strong, would have done it for sure had ICL not happened.

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    rohit sharma provided he be given a debut

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    Chris Gayle and MoYo ....identical record? Wow....
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    Quote Originally Posted by W63L35 View Post
    Chris Gayle and MoYo ....identical record? Wow....
    i doubt.. everything stat is same
    data entry error ??


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    MY averaging 10+ runs and 11 more centuries..



    Always choose a lazy person to do a difficult job Because he will find an easy way to do it.

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    ABD

    Another ODI hundred. 13 hundreds in both formats. Overall 26.


    He's just 72 hundreds behind Sachin

    Last edited by freelance_cricketer; 25th February 2012 at 15:38.

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    The quest for the 100th hundred however has made me believe that this hundreds record set by Tendulkar is gonna be a hard one to beat as we have seen now how it gets so difficult when one is chasing hundreds. Runs keep flowing but these hundreds don't come easy in desperation. Whenever some1 in future gets close to it, media will create pressure onhim and he will eventually break into pieces.

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    NO one.

    No one would be selfish enough to do so.


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    That is some catching up to do.


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    Is there any current batsman on track to beat Tendulkar's 100th 100?

    Is there any batsman who is on track or seemingly on track on getting to a 100 100s himself?

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    one word, NO!

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    It's quite impossible, but hypothetically speaking, Cook or ABD may reach close to 60+ they both must play for at least 10+ years though. Sanga needs to play 10+ years, which is quite impossible.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/con...ds/284175.html


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    it is one hell of a task but kohli seems right on track n the best thing is....... kohli ain't selfish

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    In future people will find it difficult the moment Tendulkar comparisons pop up.

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    Yup. Combining formats to beat sachins number of int. 100s will happen. Sooner or later I think international series will drop ODI's and we may see things like 10game 20/20 series springing up regularly. More fringe nations will get involved, more 20/20 international games against minnows outside the world cups and someone like Warner will probably get 30 test and 80 20/20 international centuries.
    Sachin fans will say 20/20s dont count, New record holder fans will ask why didn't sachin score many 20/20 centuries if they are so easy and dont count. And bradman fans will wonder why dont either just average 100.

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    In ODI, I think Virat 'll cross him. Virat 'll play in top 3 most of his career & the ODI wickets are are going to get flatter. Also, the number of "ICC Philanthropic Match" 'll grow & he 'll play lot more matches against the likes of BD, ZIM to the likes of Canada, Afghanistan, UAE, may be even Nepal. However, I am not sure if Virat 'll be shamelessly selfish enough to play for his hundreds in ODI, he looks not like that.

    In Test, Amla might, but he is almost 29 & need to play another 125+ Test matches & I don't think he can keep his form constant for another 10-12 years to score 2/3 hundreds every year. If Cook stops playing ODI after 2015 or 2019 & keeps playing till his late 30s, he 'll definitely give a real fight for 50+ Test hundreds. In 2004 Cook led an awful English U19 team in BD U19 WC; but personally was outstanding. I watched his 2 knocks from club house & told one of my friend that Cook 'll cross Gooch's English Test run record. He might challenge SRT for Test stats.

    In Internationals, I doubt anybody ever, just like Bradman's 99.94 or JB Hobbs's 199 FC hundred (Or 61K+ runs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakroyals View Post
    SRT Test Matches
    home 79 , Runs 6547, Average 56.93
    away 95, Runs 7819 , Average 56.25
    ***** he got pawned

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    Some of them end up umpiring.

    Nitin Sundar tweets: "Reiffel umpiring in Ind-Ban ODI. Dharmasena umpiring in Aus-WI ODI. Both debuted after Sachin."

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    its the pinnacle,only kohli has the credibility and talent to replicate it

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    Stay away from Bollywood Kohli

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    probably kohli in odis


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    They all came and gone none can beat him.

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    Nobody can catch Teenda, 14 100s in losing cause.

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    5-6 people will break this record within the next 10 years

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    20 test hundreds for Alistair Cook now.

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    Cook, the name is Alastair Cook. Proper heir to the throne.

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    Cook will overtake Tendulkar when it comes to test hundreds.

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    Quality vs Quantity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf View Post
    Quality vs Quantity
    Definitely. But why cant you have both? After all, as one of the most respected cricketer of all time, rated by all experts, ex and current players (before he broke even one single record), present in all top XI lists by any cricketer, rated second after Bradman by Wisden, Sachin does have loads of quality too. You cannot be rated by Bradman, Richards, Lara, Warne, etc, etc unless you are the highest in quality!.

    And anyone who breaks his record, be it Cook, or Kallis or any other future player will also have lots of quality


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    Quote Originally Posted by NJamal View Post
    Nobody can catch Teenda, 14 100s in losing cause.
    Yet more hundred in winning causes that anyone in the Pakistan team too. Being bitter against one of the greatest player ever shows more about the person who is bitter than the player. I am always surprised when Indians have no issues with the greatness of Imran, Waim or Waqar but some Pakistanis have a huge chip in the shoulder about Sachin. Maybe its because he is still currently playing


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sultan Yusuf View Post
    Quality vs Quantity

    Cricket as a game is all about quantity. More runs and more wickets - You win. More style, more pace and turn but less run and wickets - You lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amit View Post
    5-6 people will break this record within the next 10 years
    amit, has even one of your prediction ever come true? Is Shikar Dhawan in the Indian team yet? Surely he is the best young player, much better than Kohli and Pujara


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    ^ Bro Shikhar was hot property like 4-5 years ago tbh. I believed in him as well. :adnan

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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    cuz that was the pinnacle of Cricketing sport and he had achieved everything at the end of it. He should have made way for Indian youngsters but because nobody could have raised any question to this great great man of Indian cricket, he decided to keep on playing for his records selfishly.

    Until the World Cup, India benefited from him

    now after the World Cup, he's benefiting from India.
    What is more selfish, retiring at your peak because you (personaly you) ahcieved everything including the world cup (again this is personal schievement) or still continuing for the team even if your reputation suffers?

    Lara retired at his peak when I believed he still had a couple of years in him. Did you see how West Indies suffered after that, particularly because of their weak batting? In my opinion, retiring at your own personal peak is more selfish, because you still have something to offer to the country. But you are worried more about your reputation than your country


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    The cracks in Sachinista's mental insecurity are already showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Cricket as a game is all about quantity. More runs and more wickets - You win. More style, more pace and turn but less run and wickets - You lose.
    Yes, but love the way how they deny that Sachin has any quality whatsover. Its like all the greatest experts in the game have all been hood-winked and only a couple of posters here are the geniuses who figured out that Sachin has no quality

    Also love the fact that they keep claiming Sachin is famous for his recrods, when Sachin was rated as the best ever before he broke one signle record


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    There is no way in hell Pakistan can be bitter of Tendulkar, Pakistan tamed Tendulkar at whim, and the numbers prove it.

    I pray to almighty that Sachin lives a long life, long enough to see his records smashed into smithereens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal View Post
    There is no way in hell Pakistan can be bitter of Tendulkar, Pakistan tamed Tendulkar at whim, and the numbers prove it.

    I pray to almighty that Sachin lives a long life, long enough to see his records smashed into smithereens.
    No doubt, Pakistani people are too good to be bitter about petty things. Guess most of them admire and respect Sachin. They know their Cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal View Post
    There is no way in hell Pakistan can be bitter of Tendulkar, Pakistan tamed Tendulkar at whim, and the numbers prove it.

    I pray to almighty that Sachin lives a long life, long enough to see his records smashed into smithereens.


    I wonder NH how he won 3 MOMs vs Pakistan in WCs.LOL.Tamed.I can understand the pain of Pakistanis as they didnt have a batsman half as good as Tendulkar.Their hyped up Inzy failed miserably in comparision to Tendulkar.Then they hyped up Anwar and he was also no match for Tendulkar.I understand the pain.Mohali Centurion and even the 1992 WC defeat all hurt.Tendulkar tamed the famed Pakistani attack on the biggest stage of all.Records are meant to be broken but lets see how easy it will be to break this one.Keep hurting


    aaj mujh ko bahut burā kah kar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal View Post
    There is no way in hell Pakistan can be bitter of Tendulkar, Pakistan tamed Tendulkar at whim, and the numbers prove it.

    I pray to almighty that Sachin lives a long life, long enough to see his records smashed into smithereens.
    I will tell you what, there is a good chance that something might happen 2 u in happyness and excitement of seeing that than sachin having a small heartbreak....you are more obsessed abt sach's records than Sachin himself..and most of his fanatics!!

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    I think this thread has to be merged wiht the MAHA DISCUSSION thread LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Cook, the name is Alastair Cook. Proper heir to the throne.
    Not really. He is an opener who plays 70 percent of his games in England. He is bound to get really good balls that you can not do much about every now and then. For anyone to break Sachin's records, he would to bat at no.4 . No pressure of a new ball, no pressure of losing partners at the other end. easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther View Post
    Not really. He is an opener who plays 70 percent of his games in England. He is bound to get really good balls that you can not do much about every now and then. For anyone to break Sachin's records, he would to bat at no.4 . No pressure of a new ball, no pressure of losing partners at the other end. easy
    Was phenomenal in Australia and now in India. All that matters for an English. (considering RSA is home cricket)

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Was phenomenal in Australia and now in India. All that matters for an English. (considering RSA is home cricket)
    But seriously, majority of the modern run machines like Kallis, Sachin, Jayawardane, Lara have batted at no.4. Top order is a tough place to play

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    No doubt, Pakistani people are too good to be bitter about petty things. Guess most of them admire and respect Sachin. They know their Cricket.
    Smart followers of cricket, and in life in general, understand the difference between quality and quantity.

    This is why Pakistanis respect Dravid/Gavaskar above Tendulkar.

    Soon, the name of Alistair Cook will be etched in cricketing folklore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal View Post
    Smart followers of cricket, and in life in general, understand the difference between quality and quantity.

    This is why Pakistanis respect Dravid/Gavaskar above Tendulkar.

    Soon, the name of Alistair Cook will be etched in cricketing folklore.
    Dravid, Gavaskar are two other batting greats from India, so no surprises there. Dravid certainly inferior to the other two with Sachin being best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Dravid, Gavaskar are two other batting greats from India, so no surprises there. Dravid certainly inferior to the other two with Sachin being best.
    I'd say Dravid and Gavaskar are the only batting greats from India.

    It was Gavaskar who first broke the Don's number of Test Centuries, and it was Gavaskar who first scored 10000 Test runs.

    Barring Dravid, all other Indian batsmen went to school on Gavaskar's batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Cricket as a game is all about quantity. More runs and more wickets - You win. More style, more pace and turn but less run and wickets - You lose.
    And yet despite all his 'quantity', one of teendi's biggest criticism is that he hasn't won enough matches.

    And please don't come out with the boo hoo argument of carrying a nations hopes. It is ridiculous, unfounded, dramebaaz and ultimately completely untrue


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