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    The Rise of Turkey's Tayyip Erdogan

    Tunisian Leader on his return to Tunisia

    Ghanouchi compared his politics to those of Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Despite Erdogan's Islamist roots, he has been widely viewed as a pragmatist largely loyal to the legacy of Turkey's founding father Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who sought to create a secular, modern state.
    "Why do people want to compare me to (Osama) Bin Laden or Khomeini, when I am closer to Erdogan?" Ghanouchi said.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110130/..._af/af_tunisia




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    Is he becoming the leader of Muslim World? with Respect from Pakistan-Tunisia.


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    Must Imran be tied into everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowkeyP View Post
    Must Imran be tied into everything?
    Although I like to spread Imran Khan's message I had no intention of spreading Imran Khan's message in this thread.

    Just Posted the video to show and the other link to show the respect this guy from turkey is getting in muslim world.


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    Which secularists in Pakistan are actually anti-Islam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by insaftak View Post
    Is he becoming the leader of Muslim World? with Respect from Pakistan-Tunisia.
    He has a gained lot of respect for his words and some very minimul reduction of relations with Israel but Turkey is the still the closest Muslim nation to Israel, until this changes it's just good politics from Erdogan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBowler View Post
    Which secularists in Pakistan are actually anti-Islam?
    Most of them I guess. Naming names is hardly helpful, and makes the discussion needlessly "personal" - better to look at the attitudes and viewpoints.

    So, if the attitude and viewpoint of a certain person is that they wish to pick and choose bits from the Qur'an and Sunnah they like and ignore the bits they don't like or believe are "outdated"; if they wish to deny large portions of the deen that deal with public law and with government; and if they not just negate but oppose and fight the Islamic and the Qur'anic requirement to rule by Allah's Law, then by implication, they are anti-Islam, whether they say it or hide it (many do the latter because they are also hypocrites).
    Last edited by ShehryarK; 31st January 2011 at 10:32.




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    No, I'd like some names. Then we can see just how anti-Islam they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBowler View Post
    No, I'd like some names.
    That's a childish attitude, and one that doesn't actually help any discussion or debate. Naming names only leads to a "tu tu main main" type flame war, with no end result or beneficial outcome.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ShehryarK View Post
    That's a childish attitude, and one that doesn't actually help any discussion or debate. Naming names only leads to a "tu tu main main" type flame war, with no end result or beneficial outcome.


    Otherwise any group can be generalized to be anti-Islam and all, like how people were talking about liberal extremists a few weeks ago. But they had very few names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBowler View Post
    Otherwise any group can be generalized to be anti-Islam and all, like how people were talking about liberal extremists a few weeks ago. But they had very few names.
    But that's how it is. We define such things by statements and attitudes.

    Those who blow up stuff and kill innocents, or don't condemn it, or believe it is right = terrorists

    Those who kill or lynch other people or support it = murderers

    etc etc

    Sop those who have anti-Islamic attitudes or actions, as defined in my earlier post = anti-Islam. Of whatever hue or political colour they might be.




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    Well, they are not in favour of Islam in the government. That's not anti-Islam, that's against a certain political ideology. Or are the JI and TTP pro-Islam, and ANP, MQM anti-Islam?
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    To say such groups are not pro-Islam is a sentiment I can understand, its calling them anti-Islam that I take issue with.

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    Secularists are not anti religion - That would defeat the very basis of secularism. Even atheists are not actively anti-religion.


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    media is telling us that the "Talibans" are muslims and everybody else is "libral" so either we choose to be like taliban or libral. very very clever media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    He has a gained lot of respect for his words and some very minimul reduction of relations with Israel but Turkey is the still the closest Muslim nation to Israel, until this changes it's just good politics from Erdogan.

    Erdogan's first and foremost responsibility is to the Turkish people. Their economy, their well-being and their security.

    Having ties with Israel helps maintain very strong economic ties with America and the EU. If this is beneficial to Turkey then why should he change things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBowler View Post
    Which secularists in Pakistan are actually anti-Islam?
    This is akin to asking which bus driver actually drives a bus in Pakistan, which doctor actually treats sick in Pakistan, which mechanic actually works on cars in Pakistan...hopefully you get the drift...

    Secularit are by definition anti-religion, hence anti-islam...if as you claim they are not anti-islam then they have rendered their whole secularist ideology and their claim to secularism useless and unnecessary...

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    Just ask to a well educated Turk What he/she thinks about Erdogan.
    He isnt that great all propagenda.

    He doesnt believe in the idead of Ataturk he is more like the leaders of Iran.

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    What exactly is so great about Ataturk? Erdogan has done a fine job and mind you, he is elected so I don't know where these "well educated Turks" are, but they might want to come out and vote sometime.

    Sad times times we live in where a leader is sidelined for his religious views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saad Hasan View Post
    This is akin to asking which bus driver actually drives a bus in Pakistan, which doctor actually treats sick in Pakistan, which mechanic actually works on cars in Pakistan...hopefully you get the drift...

    Secularit are by definition anti-religion, hence anti-islam...if as you claim they are not anti-islam then they have rendered their whole secularist ideology and their claim to secularism useless and unnecessary...


    Secularists are not against any religion, that's the basis of secularism.

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    Erdogan's more conservative-leaning,which gets a lot of support from the anti-secularists and religious lobby.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Erdogan's first and foremost responsibility is to the Turkish people. Their economy, their well-being and their security.

    Having ties with Israel helps maintain very strong economic ties with America and the EU. If this is beneficial to Turkey then why should he change things?
    That's fine and totally understandable but the he should no make remarks about Israel and demand an apology because when they refuse it makes him look like a china mug.

    You can't have it both ways.

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    Turkey’s AKP party loses majority in blow for Erdogan

    ISTANBUL: Turkey’s Islamic-rooted ruling party lost its absolute parliamentary majority in legislative elections on Sunday, dealing a severe blow to strongman President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s ambition to expand his powers.

    The Justice and Development Party (AKP) won the biggest share of the vote in the elections, but well down on the almost 50 per cent it recorded in the previous 2011 polls.

    In a sensational result that shakes-up Turkey’s political landscape, the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP) easily surpassed the 10 per cent barrier needed to send MPs to parliament.

    In Turkey’s main Kurdish city of Diyarbakir, cars are cruised through the streets, with drivers honking and people hanging out from windows making ‘V’ signs as gunshots were fired into the air.


    Under Turkey’s proportional representation system, this means the AKP will need to form a coalition for the first time since it first came to power in 2002.

    The AKP secured 41 per cent of the vote, followed by the Republican People’s Party (CHP) on 25 per cent, the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) on 16.5 and the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP) fourth on 12.5 per cent, said official results based on a 98 per cent vote count.

    Turnout was 86 per cent.

    According to the official seat projection, the AKP will have 259 seats in the 550-seat parliament, the CHP 131, the MHP 82 and the HDP 78.

    The AKP has dominated Turkish politics since it first came to power in 2002 but has suffered from a dip in economic growth and controversy over Erdogan’s perceived authoritarian tendencies.

    The results wreck Erdogan’s dream of agreeing a new constitution to switch Turkey from a parliamentary to a presidential system that he had made a fundamental issue in the campaign.

    Such a change would have required a two-thirds majority in the parliament.

    “Turkish voters have said clearly that they do not approve of the move to a presidential system,” analyst Seyfettin Gursel of Bahcesehir University said on CNN-Turk television.

    Erdogan — premier from 2003-2014 before becoming president — wanted to be enshrined as Turkey’s most powerful figure and strengthen the office of the presidency which was largely ceremonial until his arrival.

    Opponents, however, feared it could mark the start of one-man rule, with Erdogan likely to seek another presidential mandate to stay in power until 2024.The result was a triumph for the HDP, which in the campaign had sought to present itself as a genuinely Turkish party and reach out to voters beyond its main Kurdish support base to secular Turks, women and gays.

    It was also a personal victory for the party’s charismatic leader Selahattin Demirtas, dubbed the “Kurdish Obama” by some for his silky rhetorical skills and who had been repeatedly attacked by Erdogan in the campaign.

    “We, as the oppressed people of Turkey who want justice, peace and freedom, have achieved a tremendous victory today,” Demirtas told a news conference in Istanbul.

    “Now the HDP is a real party of Turkey. HDP is Turkey and Turkey is HDP, “he said.

    He said there would be no coalition with the AKP and instead the HDP would make a “strong and honest opposition”.

    HDP MPs had sat in the previous parliament but they had been elected as independents and not from a party list.

    The result however is a disappointment for the CHP, which has again struggled to present itself as a credible main opposition.

    Analysts see the nationalist MHP as the most likely coalition partner for the AKP in the new parliament.

    Erdogan’s heavy involvement in the campaign in favour of the AKP had been controversial, given that as head of state he is required to keep an equal distance from all parties.

    The president, who was spending the evening in Istanbul rather than Ankara, has yet to react to the results. Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who led the campaign, is due to give a statement in Ankara.

    The legislative election took place under the shadow of violence, after two people were killed and dozens more wounded in an attack on a rally of the HDP in Diyarbakir on Friday.

    Over 400,000 members of the police and gendarmerie were deployed across Turkey to ensure security, media reports said.

    Davutoglu said one suspect had been arrested over the attack and was being checked for links to militant groups.

    In Diyarbakir, several people wounded in the attack, some with their legs in plaster and heads in bandages, defied their injuries to vote, a correspondents said.


    http://www.dawn.com/news/1186856/tur...ow-for-erdogan

    Erdogan's AKP party - bombs its Kurdish population, discreetly supports ISIS militants, and quite openly supports the jihadists Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

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    The rise of the Kurdish party linked to to the pkk is very worrying for Turks

    I quite admire how a minority party has won so many seats
    Four Christians will also enter parliament as will 2 yazidis

    Very pluristic and healthy


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    Record amount of Turkish women entering parliament

    86 percent voter turnout is immense really


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    All my turkish friends, whom I have met at university in England or France absolutely despise him. They feel he is destroying their country

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    Nice but he might had been a right wing but he did get the economy on track imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    All my turkish friends, whom I have met at university in England or France absolutely despise him. They feel he is destroying their country
    Well the Turkish markets took a dive on the news that he hasn't won a majority so he can't have been doing that bad a job.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Well the Turkish markets took a dive on the news that he hasn't won a majority so he can't have been doing that bad a job.
    Economically, he has definitely done a good job. But, I guess the Turks living abroad have a very different view of his social and cultural stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Economically, he has definitely done a good job. But, I guess the Turks living abroad have a very different view of his social and cultural stance.
    Which is probably why they are abroad in the first place. Most Iranians are the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Which is probably why they are abroad in the first place. Most Iranians are the same.
    They are just students. Will have to go back to Turkey at some point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    All my turkish friends, whom I have met at university in England or France absolutely despise him. They feel he is destroying their country
    He won the Turkish vote abroad too


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    The butcher of Istanbul's future plans have suffered a severe blow after the elections.

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    Syrians fleeing to an ISIS border crossing are exposing Turkey's open secret

    Pipes, ammonium nitrate, and other bomb-making materials are being transported across Turkey's border into Syria by agents of ISIS while Turkish border guards look the other way — and Ankara hasn't been willing to do much about it.

    But now thousands of Syrian civilians fleeing an ISIS offensive are streaming toward the Turkish border — and Turkish soldiers are using water cannons on Syrians at a border crossing used more-or-less freely by ISIS.


    The situation highlights Turkey's relaxed border policies between 2011 and 2014, when Ankara allowed militants and weapons to cross freely into Syria to counter the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    As the Syrian war dragged on, the policy strengthened the jihadists who are now causing more Syrians to flee their country.

    Consequently, Turkey is struggling to deal with a crisis it inadvertently helped to create.

    This week's chaotic influx of Syrian refugees — the result of a battle pitting Islamic State militants against Kurdish and opposition forces in Syria — has forced Turkish border guards to respond with water cannons.

    Ankara's indirect facilitation of ISIS extremists is uncomfortably obvious.


    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/syrian...203728019.html

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    ^ The US was as culpable in indirect facilitation of the future ISIS extremists in the intial days of the rebeliion against Assad

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    Turkey election: Recep Tayyip Erdogan wins re-election as president

    Turkey's long-standing leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan has won a new five-year term after securing outright victory in the first round of a presidential poll.

    Mr Erdogan got nearly 53% with almost all votes counted. His closest rival Muharrem Ince was on 31%.

    He will now assume sweeping new powers, won in a controversial referendum last year. The post of PM will be abolished.

    Mr Ince accepted the result on the basis of poll figures - but said that everything about the vote was unfair.

    Final results will be announced on Friday.

    The polls were the most fiercely fought in many years.

    Mr Erdogan has presided over a strong economy and built up a solid support base by investing in healthcare, education and infrastructure.

    But the 64-year-old has also polarised opinion, cracking down on opponents and putting some 160,000 people in jail.

    Mr Erdogan gave a triumphant victory speech from the balcony of his party's headquarters in the capital Ankara at 03:00 (00:00 GMT), declaring: "The winner of this election is each and every individual among my 81 million citizens."

    Congratulations have come in from Islamic leaders including Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. Russian President Vladimir Putin talked of Mr Erdogan's "great political authority and mass support".

    Mr Ince, from the Republican People's Party (CHP), said the election was unfair from its declaration to the announcement of the results.

    Turkey was entering a dangerous period of one-man rule, he added.

    But he said that there was no significant difference between official results and his party's figures, and therefore he would accept the outcome.

    There were another four candidates on the presidential ballot, all of whom fell below 10% of the vote.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44596072

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    Congratulations to Turks and all Muslims, the best leader in the Islamic world since Mahathir Mohammed.

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    Landslide victory if there ever was one!

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    Congratulations to Sultan Erdogan

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    Congratulations Erdogan, you have fooled a lot of people.

    Recent reports from the Journalist and Writers Foundation in Turkey and the Stockholm Center for Freedom have estimated the number of women in Turkish prisons is a staggering 17,000 along with over 660 children. Official records indicate that 23 percent of these children are infants less than a year old. Dr. Alan Mendoza, executive director of the Henry Jackson Society (a British foreign policy think tank) said “prison is no place for children in any civilized country”.

    These reports have questioned the basis for the detainment and imprisonment of these women, as well as the timing of their arrests, in some cases shortly after giving birth. Many of these women have been held without charges being pressed and without access to legal representation, and in some cases, access to their family.

    Reports from within Turkey have shown images of security officials waiting outside hospital rooms for mothers to be discharged in order to detain them and their newborn children. With the critical need of preventing bacteria during a child’s first months, questions about the conditions of the prisons where these women are held with their newborn children have also arisen in numerous media reports. Since “extra food, books, phone calls, trips to the hospital, and bathroom supplies are all added to inmates’ prison bills” some women with poor financial situation cannot afford basic hygienic items such as sanitary pads (which they are not provided).
    http://silencedturkey.org/women-and-children-in-prison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Congratulations Erdogan, you have fooled a lot of people.
    Turkey still has only around 1/5 of the prison population of America. You dont see Trump trying to bring justice in his own nation where there is a high proportion of black prisoners. The US prison system also uses it's prisoners for slave labour to produce materials for the army.

    Congrats to Erdogan, he is loved by the majority of people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Congratulations Erdogan, you have fooled a lot of people.
    In the link you posted they give no clues as to why they are being held, what charges are the most common? Shoplifting? Soliciting? Or being against the State?

    As to his re-election, Muslims need a strong-armed ruler, he will setting himself up for life rule, a la Putin, I do think he engineered the coup a few years back, but he is off the mould of a strong leader and unlike other strong leaders who met grisly deaths, Erdogan does have something about him, calls a spade a spade, doesn't like taking **** etc. Personally would have liked to have less religion involved but I guess that comes with the package. Hope he improves the economy and the well-being of his people, on the whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devilsadvokat View Post
    In the link you posted they give no clues as to why they are being held, what charges are the most common? Shoplifting? Soliciting? Or being against the State?

    As to his re-election, Muslims need a strong-armed ruler, he will setting himself up for life rule, a la Putin, I do think he engineered the coup a few years back, but he is off the mould of a strong leader and unlike other strong leaders who met grisly deaths, Erdogan does have something about him, calls a spade a spade, doesn't like taking **** etc. Personally would have liked to have less religion involved but I guess that comes with the package. Hope he improves the economy and the well-being of his people, on the whole.
    Most women are locked up because their husbands are Kurdish. But there are also children locked up.

    Hundreds of children in Turkey's Kurdish south-east have been jailed for taking part in anti-government protests, and are treated no differently from adults.

    Berivan Sayaca is an attractive, 15-year-old Kurdish girl with black, wavy hair who loves horse-riding and playing the guitar.

    She is also a convicted terrorist - serving an eight-year sentence in the high-security prison in Diyarbakir, the largest Kurdish city in Turkey. How she got there is a tale that could be straight out of Kafka, that exposes one of modern Turkey's darkest sides.
    ****
    The only evidence police produced at Berivan Sayaca's trial four months later was a photograph of her, a scarf pulled across her face, apparently at the protest. She denies being part of it, or throwing stones.

    But under Turkey's severe criminal code, that was enough to convict her of supporting a terrorist organisation.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/10146284

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    Mr Erdogan got nearly 53% with almost all votes counted. His closest rival Muharrem Ince was on 31%.

    [...]

    Mr Ince, from the Republican People's Party (CHP), said the election was unfair from its declaration to the announcement of the results.

    Turkey was entering a dangerous period of one-man rule, he added.
    He's upset 'cause he wanted to be that 'one-man' who was in charge during the 'dangerous period of one-man rule'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Most women are locked up because their husbands are Kurdish. But there are also children locked up.
    Of course, the Kurds, I guess it comes with the territory of being nationalist leader with a separatist movement within borders, not ideal, the border lines could have been drawn better back when the pen was put on the map.

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    Another win for nationalism and authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devilsadvokat View Post
    Of course, the Kurds, I guess it comes with the territory of being nationalist leader with a separatist movement within borders, not ideal, the border lines could have been drawn better back when the pen was put on the map.
    There was a reason they werent drawn properly So that these countries could remain in conflict with each other rather than the west

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    Sure, but the Turks have history too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Congratulations Erdogan, you have fooled a lot of people.
    Typical! A western poster does not want a strong ruler in Turkey. You are so attentive to Kurds but neglect the Palestinians because it does not support your interests.

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    Erdogan is far from perfect but he won this election fair and square - that too after so many years in power which is quite an achievement. The Turkish electorate have spoken - all the best to Turkey and those living there.

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    People deserve the ruler they choose. Good on him if he has won this fair and square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Misbah View Post
    Typical! A western poster does not want a strong ruler in Turkey. You are so attentive to Kurds but neglect the Palestinians because it does not support your interests.
    I know a lot of turks and Kurds and they all agree this man is a corrupt power mongering fool, Turkey is on its way out as a beacon in the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humzy View Post
    I know a lot of turks and Kurds and they all agree this man is a corrupt power mongering fool, Turkey is on its way out as a beacon in the Middle East.
    Are these Turks and Kurds currently residing in Turkey or Australia?


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    Quote Originally Posted by humzy View Post
    I know a lot of turks and Kurds and they all agree this man is a corrupt power mongering fool, Turkey is on its way out as a beacon in the Middle East.
    Yes ultra liberal Turks may not support him due to his religious inclinations.

    Kurds dont support him for obvious reasons, nothing to do with corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    Yes ultra liberal Turks may not support him due to his religious inclinations.

    Kurds dont support him for obvious reasons, nothing to do with corruption.

    Practicing Turks don't support him either. I have few Turkish friends who are strict muslims and they don't support him. Erdogan acts all muslim to win vote and muslim sentiment but from what I know the guy is corrupt as hell.

    He has fooled a lot of people especially muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badsha View Post
    Practicing Turks don't support him either. I have few Turkish friends who are strict muslims and they don't support him. Erdogan acts all muslim to win vote and muslim sentiment but from what I know the guy is corrupt as hell.

    He has fooled a lot of people especially muslims.
    What corruption has he done?

    My understanding was that he improved the economic situation of Turkey drastically.

    Had it not been for the wars on its borders, Erdogan would likely done even better as leader of Turkey.

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    Was this a Putin style re-election?

    Were there any realistic opposition candidates, or was his victory destined from the start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    What corruption has he done?

    My understanding was that he improved the economic situation of Turkey drastically.

    Had it not been for the wars on its borders, Erdogan would likely done even better as leader of Turkey.
    Please aware yourself the wars on the borders were used to his advantage.

    He has literally caged up anyone who says a bad word about him, even if its a Facebook post.

    He owns a palace that is worth the whole of Pakistan's economy.

    He is a modern day dictator in the making, wait and see.

    Zardari has nothing on this man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Was this a Putin style re-election?

    Were there any realistic opposition candidates, or was his victory destined from the start?
    Though free, it was the most unfair election in Turkey in decades. Under pressure from government cronies, most news outlets pretended that the opposite candidates didn't even exist.

    Sultan Erdogan and his droogs from AK had enjoyed excessive media coverage, misused state resources and used the state of emergency to restrict the freedoms of assembly and expression.

    The main national broadcaster and its sister channels offered Mr Ince less than a tenth of the airtime devoted to Erdogan, and ignored his last rally, attended by hundreds of thousands of supporters, on the eve of the vote.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    What corruption has he done?

    My understanding was that he improved the economic situation of Turkey drastically.

    Had it not been for the wars on its borders, Erdogan would likely done even better as leader of Turkey.
    Through the last year's historic referendum he made sure that he acquired unbridled executive and administrative powers with no accountability whatsoever.

    Through his party, of which he is absolute master, he has ensured that whatever comes out of the president’s mouth becomes law. Political appointees in bureaucracy has become a norm and the amount of journalists imprisoned since last year are enough to put even a third world country to shame.

    Turkey I'm afraid is slowly heading towards becoming totalitarian state.


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    He is a sultan, not a president.

    The lifestyle that he and his family lives makes the richest man in the world look like a beggar, even though every two out of three Turkish children live in poverty.


    That fact alone sums up what a great leader he is. As far the notion of him being the greatest Muslim leader in the world is concerned, living an extravagant lifestyle beyond one’s means has been the hallmark of Muslim rulers after the Abbasid Caliphate, and it has been one of the major reasons for the decline of the Muslims in the last 400-500 years.

    With that criteria, he is definitely the greatest Muslim leader in the world, because he is keeping up with the tradition of living a kingly life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a sultan, not a president.

    The lifestyle that he and his family lives makes the richest man in the world look like a beggar, even though every two out of three Turkish children live in poverty.


    That fact alone sums up what a great leader he is. As far the notion of him being the greatest Muslim leader in the world is concerned, living an extravagant lifestyle beyond one’s means has been the hallmark of Muslim rulers after the Abbasid Caliphate, and it has been one of the major reasons for the decline of the Muslims in the last 400-500 years.

    With that criteria, he is definitely the greatest Muslim leader in the world, because he is keeping up with the tradition of living a kingly life.
    Ironic that you have a problem with Erdogan's opulent living even though his country is alot richer than Pakistan and an average Turk is much better off than an average Pakistani, but you have no issues with the lifestyle of the Nooras that you go to any end to support and defend (because of other reasons)


    Let me give you a sneak peak preview of living standard of the Sharifs:










    Lets all send our zakaat khairaat to ghareeb Shareef khandaan who give just a few thousand ruppees in tax.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Ironic that you have a problem with Erdogan's opulent living even though his country is alot richer than Pakistan and an average Turk is much better off than an average Pakistani, but you have no issues with the lifestyle of the Nooras that you go to any end to support and defend (because of other reasons)


    Let me give you a sneak peak preview of living standard of the Sharifs:










    Lets all send our zakaat khairaat to ghareeb Shareef khandaan who give just a few thousand ruppees in tax.



    Kuch khata hai tou lagata bhi hai
    All this through tax payers money. He do not even let media into his palace(apart from hand picked lifafas) to stop people from knowing the kind of life these looters are living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    What corruption has he done?

    My understanding was that he improved the economic situation of Turkey drastically.

    Had it not been for the wars on its borders, Erdogan would likely done even better as leader of Turkey.

    Humzy replied well. He is fooling everyone into acting like a Muslim. IDK he may be a good muslim but he is a terrible dictator and violating people's rights. I have deep roots with Turkish community and many are not pleased with him. I am talking about Turks that pray five times daily.

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    Turkish ex-PM Davutoğlu quits Erdoğan’s ruling party

    Turkey's former Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu on Friday announced he would resign from President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) and start a "new political movement."

    Davutoğlu, once a close ally of Erdoğan, said the party had moved away from its founding values and no longer had "the ability to be a solution to our country’s problems." He added he could not work under the current "clique" controlling the party.

    "It is both a historical responsibility and a necessity to build a new political movement and take a new path," Davutoğlu said, speaking at a press conference in the capital Ankara. He resigned alongside several other AKP lawmakers.

    His resignation may have been a preemptive move, as the AKP had been widely expected to dismiss Davutoğlu, having launched disciplinary action against him.

    Davutoğlu first served as foreign policy advisor to Erdoğan before becoming foreign minister in 2009. In 2014, when Erdoğan moved to the presidency, Davutoğlu succeeded him as prime minister. He later fell out with his former ally and was forced to resign as prime minister and AKP leader in 2016.

    In recent months, he has repeatedly voiced criticism of the AKP, in particular after it decided to annul the Istanbul mayoral election – which the AKP lost — earlier this year.

    Davutoğlu is the second senior AKP member to resign this year: Former Economy Minister Ali Babacan quit the party in July.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Was this a Putin style re-election?

    Were there any realistic opposition candidates, or was his victory destined from the start?
    This.
    Erdogan has turned into a dictator.

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    Political upheaval offers Erdogan chance to heal party wounds

    ANKARA (Reuters) - Political turmoil over the resignation of Turkey’s once powerful finance minister has a silver lining for President Tayyip Erdogan, offering a chance to ease tensions in his ruling party over the influential and divisive figure.

    Berat Albayrak, Erdogan’s son-in-law, said he was stepping down on Sunday in a dramatic statement on Instagram. The abrupt departure of a central figure in Erdogan’s inner circle stunned the government and undermined the president who had long championed him, officials said.

    But it also presents an opportunity to win back disaffected members within the ruling AK Party who felt marginalised by the rapid rise of the 42-year-old former businessman and took issue with his stewardship of the troubled economy, party sources say.

    Disenchanted party members, including some parliamentarians, had been considering leaving and joining one of two new breakaway parties set up by AKP founders and former allies of Erdogan, according to three officials who spoke to Reuters.

    “Such a thing was happening for the first time under Erdogan’s leadership,” an official close to the party said, referring to the 17 years that Erdogan has dominated Turkish politics since he became prime minister in 2003.

    Polls have also shown support for the AKP, which relies on an alliance with a smaller nationalist party for its parliamentary majority, suffering as the country battles the COVID-19 pandemic, high inflation and a tumbling lira.

    This week’s events mean it “will be possible to win back those who are resentful or who started to lose hope,” the official said, referring to Albayrak’s resignation.

    Opposition parties said this week that Albayrak’s resignation revealed a “state crisis”, and that reshuffling ministers would not be enough to rescue the economy.

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    Erdogan visits breakaway Northern Cyprus after ally wins vote

    ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish President Erdogan visited breakaway Northern Cyprus on Sunday to meet its newly elected leader who backs his call for a “two-state” solution to the divided island’s five-decade conflict if U.N.-mediated talks yield no results.

    With Turkey’s support, former prime minister Ersin Tatar won a tight presidential vote last month that could further strain ties with the internationally-recognised Cypriot government to the south. Tatar’s predecessor had backed reunification.

    Turkey is alone in recognising Northern Cyprus as an independent state. Cyprus was split after a Turkish invasion in 1974 triggered by a brief Greek-inspired coup.

    Turkey’s government said Erdogan and Tatar would discuss how to strengthen ties and also the situation in the broader Eastern Mediterranean, where Turkey has clashed this year with Cyprus, Greece and the European Union over offshore territorial rights.

    The EU, which has threatened to impose sanctions on Turkey next month over illegal oil and gas exploration at sea, admitted Cyprus into the bloc in 2004.

    Erdogan has said separate administrations were the only solution after U.N.-mediated peace talks between Cyprus and North Cyprus broke down in 2017. Ankara has proposed an informal meeting between Turkey, Greece, Turkish and Greek Cypriots and the United Nations.

    Before last month’s election, Northern Cyprus partially reopened the beach town of Varosha, a fenced-off resort area abandoned in no-man’s land since 1974.

    Turkey backed the move while the United States, Greece and Greek Cypriots criticised it.

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    Turkey ka joker in a bit of a worry.

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    Erdogan any day over the jokers that ran Pakistan into the ground over the last 40 years.

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    Seems erdogan is following their example.

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    Erdogan is becoming a bit of folklore hero to the Muslim world.

    I dont agree with many of his policies but it shows when a strong Muslim leader stands up, the Islamaphobic nutjobs around the world sit back down.


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    Erdogan is a folklore hero to Muslims like modi is a folklore hero to hindus. Hahhaha

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    Cyprus needs to be united.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    Erdogan is a folklore hero to Muslims like modi is a folklore hero to hindus. Hahhaha
    Both are fighting to restore some cultural roots which obviously have some resonance with their public. What would be your alternative? Watching Downton Abbey?


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    Both have brought nationalism and religion in public sphere. Recipe for disaster. And funny thing is most of it just fake bravado to get idiots in their countries all riled up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadeemp View Post
    Both have brought nationalism and religion in public sphere. Recipe for disaster. And funny thing is most of it just fake bravado to get idiots in their countries all riled up
    So which country hasn't brought religion or nationalism in the public sphere? Where do you liver assuming it is any different?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    So which country hasn't brought religion or nationalism in the public sphere? Where do you liver assuming it is any different?
    Yes the same is true for USA and we can see the consequences as a result. You see that clearly also. Same is true in India and you see he consequences there are clearly. Same is true in turkey but u fail to see it there

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    No matter how much Islamophobes wish otherwise, in Muslim countries religion will remain in the public sphere in some way shape or form. What that looks like will differ for each country.

    When Omar Mukhtar (who led the rebellion against Italian colonization in Libya) was asked why they didn't also mutilate the bodies of Italians like the Italians did to the Libyan freedom fighters, he responded:

    "Because they (ie colonizers) are not our teachers."

    Be it physical colonization of the past or the mental one some of us are in now.
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    Erdogan says Turkey sees itself a part of Europe

    ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that his country, an official candidate for European Union membership, sees itself as an inseparable part of Europe but will not give in to attacks and double standards.

    “We see ourselves as an inseparable part of Europe...However this does not mean that we will bow down to overt attacks to our country and nation, veiled injustices and double standards,” Erdogan said in a speech to the members of its AK Party.

    Turkey’s drilling activities in a disputed part of the eastern Mediterranean have raised tensions with the EU as Turkey locked in a dispute with and Greece and Cyprus over the extent of their continental shelves and hydrocarbon resources.

    EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said this month that Turkey’s rhetoric on Cyprus was aggravating tensions with the EU and Ankara had to understand that its behaviour was “widening its separation” from the bloc.

    The EU will discuss Turkey’s pursuit of natural gas exploration in contested waters in the eastern Mediterranean at their next summit in December, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Thursday.

    “We do not believe that we have any problems with countries or institutions that cannot be solved through politics, dialogue and negotiations,” Erdogan said.

    Erdogan, connected to the event through videolink, said that the EU should keep its promises regarding the migrants issue and making Turkey a full member of the bloc. He was referring to a 2016 deal under which Ankara curbed migrant entries into Europe in exchange for financial help and visa-free travel in the Schengen region.

    Turkey recently extended the seismic survey work being carried out by its Oruc Reis ship in a disputed part of the eastern Mediterranean until Nov. 29, according to a naval notice.

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    Turkey in weekend lockdown as coronavirus cases hit record highs

    ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkey has entered its first full weekend lockdown since May after coronavirus infections and deaths hit record highs in recent days.

    The country of 83 million people on Friday recorded 32,736 new cases, including asymptomatic ones, the highest number since the beginning of the pandemic in March.

    The total death toll rose by 193 on Friday, touching a daily record level seen earlier this week, to 14,509.

    Turkish television showed largely empty squares and streets on Saturday in the largest city Istanbul, the capital Ankara and the third largest city Izmir, with only a few people and vehicles out and about.

    Interior Minister Suleyman Soylu was quoted as saying by state-owned Anadolu news agency that most people were obeying the lockdown rules.

    Turkey now ranks fourth globally for the number of daily new cases, behind only the United States, India and Brazil - all countries with far larger populations than Turkey.

    For four months, Turkey only reported daily symptomatic cases, but it has reported all cases since Nov. 25. Historical data for all positive cases and the cumulative total are still not available.

    Turkey last imposed full weekend lockdowns in large cities in May. It announced nationwide weekend curfews last month, but the measures failed to halt the rise in new cases and deaths.

    President Tayyip Erdogan announced the full weekend lockdown on Monday, as well as a curfew on weekdays. He said measures against the coronavirus were being taken carefully to minimise the impact on the economy.

    The lockdown and curfews exclude some sectors, including supply chains and production.

    Turkey’s economy contracted 9.9% year-on-year in the second quarter due to the coronavirus restrictions. It rebounded in the third quarter, growing 6.7% after the restrictions were lifted.

    Economists expect the new measures to have a lesser impact on growth in the final quarter than they did in the second.

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