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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Torres went from sensational to disaster not because he switched clubs, but because of his knee injury before the 2010 World Cup due to which he lost several yards of pace.

    He was a disaster at the 2010 World Cup and he was a disaster at Liverpool in the 2010/2011 season till January.

    He simply carried his post-injury poor form to Chelsea; he did NOT lose his form at Chelsea.

    Fergie is biased because he coached Ronaldo into a legend. The opinion of Fergie or Guardiola on Ronaldo and Messi cannot be taken seriously because of bias. However, most of the neutral managers and players from other teams rate Messi higher than Ronaldo.

    Ronaldo might beat Messi in terms of longevity, but he will never reach the peak of Messi.
    He doesnt need to he has passed it already.

    As for Torress he went down hill, mainly because he wasnt playing with Gerrad, this is a fact. There whole team was built around them two. After he just lost confidence and got worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PetroDollars View Post
    Which world class players did he play with at MU?

    He had a midfield of Carrick (was very mediocre in those days), Flecthure, Anderson, Cleverly and Park.

    Stop kidding yourself, Messi would be exposed in such a team.
    Yeah right, I'm kidding myself

    Nice of you that you only mentioned the average teammates of Ronaldo (with some twisting of facts).

    Cleverley began to start regularly for the United senior team only from 2010. You very well know where Ronaldo was then.

    Anderson hardly was a regular starter. Only played about one season with Ronaldo, that too mostly from the bench.

    You have conveniently ignored the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Nani, Nistelrooy, Tevez, Berbatov, Saha, Rooney, all of whom were good to great players.

    If he didn't play with any world class players at Manchester United, then how did he manage to win 3 PL titles and 1 CL title with the same team. Don't tell me hell did it all by himself.

    And how in the world did Messi manage to become the top scorer for the national team if he will get "exposed" in a different setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Yeah right, I'm kidding myself

    Nice of you that you only mentioned the average teammates of Ronaldo (with some twisting of facts).

    Cleverley began to start regularly for the United senior team only from 2010. You very well know where Ronaldo was then.

    Anderson hardly was a regular starter. Only played about one season with Ronaldo, that too mostly from the bench.

    You have conveniently ignored the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Nani, Nistelrooy, Tevez, Berbatov, Saha, Rooney, all of whom were good to great players.

    If he didn't play with any world class players at Manchester United, then how did he manage to win 3 PL titles and 1 CL title with the same team. Don't tell me hell did it all by himself.

    And how in the world did Messi manage to become the top scorer for the national team if he will get "exposed" in a different setup?
    Anderson had two good seasons and played regularly with Ronaldo, then injury struck and he was never the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Anderson had two good seasons and played regularly with Ronaldo, then injury struck and he was never the same
    Anderson and Park were pretty good players in their own right.

    I remember Park having a huge stamina and used to run around the park without breaking a sweat for 90 mins. Wasn't called "Three lung Park" for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Yeah right, I'm kidding myself

    Nice of you that you only mentioned the average teammates of Ronaldo (with some twisting of facts).

    Cleverley began to start regularly for the United senior team only from 2010. You very well know where Ronaldo was then.

    Anderson hardly was a regular starter. Only played about one season with Ronaldo, that too mostly from the bench.

    You have conveniently ignored the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Keane, Nani, Nistelrooy, Tevez, Berbatov, Saha, Rooney, all of whom were good to great players.

    If he didn't play with any world class players at Manchester United, then how did he manage to win 3 PL titles and 1 CL title with the same team. Don't tell me hell did it all by himself.

    And how in the world did Messi manage to become the top scorer for the national team if he will get "exposed" in a different setup?
    1. I was talking about MF which i clearly mentioned, but if you want to add disastrous Berbatov, mediocre Saha and average Tevez then you still are not doing yourself any favors.

    2. You can add Scholes and Giggs or any other players but towards the end of his time at MU they didnt feature much and Ronaldo was still sensational with a very average MF

    3. Anderson was a starter in 2009, he played in both CL finals with him and started in one.

    4. No he didnt win it all himself, his manager did, who did it again and again without world class players, he even won the PL playing Cleverly and Anderson in CM, what to say more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad10 View Post
    Messi won the player of the World Cup (although James deserved it ahead of him) and was clearly one of the best players in the tournament.

    So when you say he was 'crap' in the World Cup, it shows your lack of credibility as far as this topic is concerned.
    He wasn't one of the best players. He was average throughout the WC.. few lucky goals against weak opposition and in knockout stages, he did absoultey nothing.. and by calling him one of the best player in the WC you lost any credibility you had..

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    Quote Originally Posted by street cricketer View Post
    Come on, it's not like Ronaldo played for Blackburn Rovers in the PL or Granada in the La liga. He was surrounded by world class players at Manchester United and is surrounded by world class players at Madrid as well.
    ya but he is not surrounded by Suarez or Neymar type of players..

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    LOL - I remember when he was announced as the player of the world cup, even the commentators where shocked. Anyway it doesn't really matter as it was decided by the sponsors for marketing reasons, even fool knew he had a bad tournament.


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    Lmao so Ronaldo had a great Euro and Messi had a bad world cup?

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    Messi's crowning glory was winning a medal for Argentina in an amateur tournament , that's what footballers are ultimately remembered for; what they did for their country at the international level.

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    Look like new hair colour not working for Maradonna wannabe? @London_Lahori he hit post vs the great liverpool at the wembley

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    MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! But everybody Know Ronaldo is a CHOMPIAN! CHOMPIAN! CHOMPIAN!

    MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber!


    @Adil_94 @London_Lahori @Red Devil
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    Ronaldo winning Champions Leagues and Euros

    Messi taking trips to the jail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post


    MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! But everybody Know Ronaldo is a CHOMPIAN! CHOMPIAN! CHOMPIAN!

    MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber! MESSI Jobber!


    @Adil_94 @London_Lahori @Red Devil


    He's going through an early mid life crisis. Tax issues, jail terms, missed pens and choking finals. It must be tough tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post


    He's going through an early mid life crisis. Tax issues, jail terms, missed pens and choking finals. It must be tough tbh.
    The hair brings no luck either did you see him at wembley

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    Not sure how much longer Ronaldo can keep this rivalry going. Wish he was a little bit younger.


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    Messi has to be the best in world currently.

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    Barcelona director got sacked for saying this:

    As earlier reported by ESPN, Gratacos said: “Leo is one of the most important people in the team, but it’s not just about him.
    “He would not be as good without [Andres] Iniesta, Neymar and company, but Messi is the best.”
    A statement from Barcelona read: “FC Barcelona dismisses Pere Gratacós as head of Sports Institutional Relations with the Royal Spanish Football Federation.

    “Pere Gratacós has been dismissed after being responsible for Sporting Institutional Relations of FC Barcelona with the Spanish Football Federation for having publicly expressed a personal opinion that does not coincide with that of the Institution after the draw for the quarterfinals of the King’s Cup Held today in Madrid.
    @shaz619 the insecurity

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Barcelona director got sacked for saying this:



    A statement from Barcelona read: “FC Barcelona dismisses Pere Gratacós as head of Sports Institutional Relations with the Royal Spanish Football Federation.

    “Pere Gratacós has been dismissed after being responsible for Sporting Institutional Relations of FC Barcelona with the Spanish Football Federation for having publicly expressed a personal opinion that does not coincide with that of the Institution after the draw for the quarterfinals of the King’s Cup Held today in Madrid.
    @shaz619 the insecurity
    Gratacos knows what's up but he had to go because much like the rest of his followers, Messi's threw a hissy fit when faced with the truth given his insecurity. Messi is the most over protected footballer in history. This thread is evidence, also notice the sore loser mentality of folk much like Messi.

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    2 fantastic players but I'll go with Messi being the better player

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Gratacos knows what's up but he had to go because much like the rest of his followers, Messi's threw a hissy fit when faced with the truth given his insecurity. Messi is the most over protected footballer in history. This thread is evidence, also notice the sore loser mentality of folk much like Messi.
    Doesn't exactly fit with the humble Messi and arrogant Ronaldo picture they try and paint, does it?

    Funny thing is, he even said he's the best player in the world but his team mates have helped him get there. But nope, Messi throws a hissy fit over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Doesn't exactly fit with the humble Messi and arrogant Ronaldo picture they try and paint, does it?

    Funny thing is, he even said he's the best player in the world but his team mates have helped him get there. But nope, Messi throws a hissy fit over it.
    Not only does Messi throw a hissy fit over it, he allows someone with a family and kids to get fired! I have many enemies as you would know Lahori but I'd never take food out of the mouths of my enemey and their kids dammit! that is inhumane on every level imaginable, who could do such a thing? Messi despite lacking skill remains an influential figure and for him to damage someones reputation in this fashion will also prevent opportunities in the future, absolutely disgraceful stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Doesn't exactly fit with the humble Messi and arrogant Ronaldo picture they try and paint, does it?

    Funny thing is, he even said he's the best player in the world but his team mates have helped him get there. But nope, Messi throws a hissy fit over it.
    Of course, it was Messi who threw a "hissy fit". I wonder who's your inside source at the club...


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Doesn't exactly fit with the humble Messi and arrogant Ronaldo picture they try and paint, does it?

    Funny thing is, he even said he's the best player in the world but his team mates have helped him get there. But nope, Messi throws a hissy fit over it.
    At the end of the day, their footballing displays speak volumes, and I'm afraid only one player has a tendency to sulk when a teammate outshines him on the pitch. Hint: It's not the assist machine.


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    Embarrassing to compare the two, there's a reason why the majority (including Ronaldos own countrymen) consider Messi better. You just need eyes to see the huge gulf. It's the equivalent of comparing Kohli to KW In LOIs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Doesn't exactly fit with the humble Messi and arrogant Ronaldo picture they try and paint, does it?

    Funny thing is, he even said he's the best player in the world but his team mates have helped him get there. But nope, Messi throws a hissy fit over it.
    Forever in Messi's shadow, it must drive Ronaldo nuts.

    All the trophies in the world can't make up for the massive gulf in class and ability.


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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Doesn't exactly fit with the humble Messi and arrogant Ronaldo picture they try and paint, does it?

    Funny thing is, he even said he's the best player in the world but his team mates have helped him get there. But nope, Messi throws a hissy fit over it.
    Also recall how insecure and pathetic Messi is by not attending that ceremony because he is a sore loser that is jealous of Ronaldo being far superior then him, so insecure much like all his fans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Forever in Messi's shadow, it must drive Ronaldo nuts.

    All the trophies in the world can't make up for the massive gulf in class and ability.
    Messi own countryman vandalise and destroy his statue

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    Quote Originally Posted by London_Lahori View Post
    Messi own countryman vandalise and destroy his statue
    And Ronaldo's own countrymen consider Messi the much better footballer

    There's a reason why Messi's shadow is a thing, but don't be disappointed, there always has to be a number two for the best
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    Diego Simeone: "You still doubt that results are the most important thing? If not, look at who won the Ballon d'Or."

    @shaz619 @London_Lahori


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    Messi is the 3rd best player in the 3rd team of a 2 horse league ...

    CR is the best player of world's top league leader & CL winner

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Messi is the 3rd best player in the 3rd team of a 2 horse league ...

    CR is the best player of world's top league leader & CL winner


    A Ballon d'or on Ronaldo (should be two, he performed much better than Ronaldo) despite being 2 years younger than him. He can poach every goal that comes his way, but he will never be in Messi's league.

    Forever in Leo's shadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post


    A Ballon d'or on Ronaldo (should be two, he performed much better than Ronaldo) despite being 2 years younger than him. He can poach every goal that comes his way, but he will never be in Messi's league.

    Forever in Leo's shadow
    You seriously believe that you have more knowledge then @MMHS ? now you've just proved you started watching footy a few years ago (something which you admit) more then anything, hope them pictures make you sleep better at night
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post


    A Ballon d'or on Ronaldo (should be two, he performed much better than Ronaldo) despite being 2 years younger than him. He can poach every goal that comes his way, but he will never be in Messi's league.

    Forever in Leo's shadow
    I really didn't know Messi won so many accolades

    All I have seen is Messi playing in a particular team in a particular style that fits the players & the league. The man who is credited for unleashing Messi is finding it a bit out of depth in other clubs with bottomless pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You seriously believe that you have more knowledge then @MMHS ? now you've just proved you started watching footy a few years ago (something which you admit) more then anything, hope them pictures make you sleep better at night
    Don't flatter yaar, but yes; I genuinely believe 10 years later people will remember CR of MU, CR or Real & CR of Pourtugal more than Messi of Barca. How many even recalls George Wiah now?

    Also, from the Euro Final, I can categorically tell that this guy is going to management, may be at Real or MU & he'll be one of the most successful one.

    Some people are born achievers, for that they get negative publicity more. What I can see is Messi gets lots of sympathy vote for his fruitless heroics in that Arges side, which was/is good enough to win 3/4 global events by now if there was a character like CR in that team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Don't flatter yaar, but yes; I genuinely believe 10 years later people will remember CR of MU, CR or Real & CR of Pourtugal more than Messi of Barca. How many even recalls George Wiah now?

    Also, from the Euro Final, I can categorically tell that this guy is going to management, may be at Real or MU & he'll be one of the most successful one.

    Some people are born achievers, for that they get negative publicity more. What I can see is Messi gets lots of sympathy vote for his fruitless heroics in that Arges side, which was/is good enough to win 3/4 global events by now if there was a character like CR in that team.
    Am not sure why people repeatedly overlook that point, it's arguably Arges greatest team ever which Maradona would have loved to have been a part off. No doubt he would do well in management but I get the feeling he may want to relax once he retires, am not sure if he'd be linked to football on a big scale maybe as a part time consultant

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Messi is the 3rd best player in the 3rd team of a 2 horse league ...

    CR is the best player of world's top league leader & CL winner
    Ronaldo isn't even the best player in his team

    There's a reason why the majority compare Messi with Pele and Maradona, while Ronaldo is only compared to Messi.

    Bale is the reason why Real Madrid have 2 CL titles, not Ronaldo. He couldn't win them anything till Bale arrived.
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    Ronaldo , The Rockstar ..

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    Ronaldo booed at the Bernabeu @shaz619 @MMHS

    It was a joke for him to win the Ballon d'or.

    Complete fraud who uses his PR machine to win the Ballon d'or and be compared to Messi.

    Comparing Ronaldo to Messi is like comparing Root to Kohli.
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    Real fans know he's overrated, they wouldn't be booing him at a drop of a dime if he was in Messi's league.


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    Barcelona and their fans want to make Messi a one club player for life, whereas Real Madrid and their fans want to sell Ronaldo @shaz619 @MMHS

    My favorite comment

    Tbh needs us more than we need him. We're his only way to win another Ballon d'Or.
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