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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    I'm glad it's not just me that noticed this!

    It's really dodgy, I swear it wasn't like this before. Has his action deteriorated?
    It's much worse than Taskin's.


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    Post the Youtube video of the new action and I will tell you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Post the Youtube video of the new action and I will tell you.
    Just watch him bowl mate, it looks like blatant chucking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Just watch him bowl mate, it looks like blatant chucking.
    Youtube video allows me to get those images after I slo the video down.


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    his action is ok

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    The action has always been the same. A little jerky.

    Not sure he'll get called on it.


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    @Chief Destroyer you're the best bowling analyst on here, what are your thoughts on it?


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    Looked okay to me from the side on view. From the back angle it even looked like Hafeez was still chucking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    @Chief Destroyer you're the best bowling analyst on here, what are your thoughts on it?
    I believe he's over the limit when he looks to extract extra pace.


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    He'll just about get away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boi View Post
    Looked okay to me from the side on view. From the back angle it even looked like Hafeez was still chucking.
    Yeah Hafeez looks like having gone back to his old action


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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    He'll just about get away with it.
    Pretty much this

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    Big 3 tryna hold us down! They see us rollin, they hatin.


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    It looks fine to me and besides its impossible to tell over TV. He's bowling and hasn't been called so suggests to me it's fine


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    Hafeez's looked fishy many times.Junaids was always like this.So believe he will get away with this

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    He's bowling in 120s. Not sure why he needs to chuck (if he is indeed)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExplicitAI View Post
    He'll just about get away with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by adzzy786 View Post
    It looks fine to me and besides its impossible to tell over TV. He's bowling and hasn't been called so suggests to me it's fine
    He's been getting away in the past. But today on many occasions it was as blatant as it can get!

    May last a few series more if he doesn't do it too often. But there's a high probability he'll get called.

    Hafeez is less than Junaid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statsman View Post
    He's bowling in 120s. Not sure why he needs to chuck (if he is indeed)?
    Was bowling mid 130s when I saw him bowl. Decent pace throughout.


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    His action was fine in the first 4 overs then suddenly it became worst.
    Hope he gets away with it, he seem to be in good form for us.

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    Did any of the commentators point it out? TBH looked like chucking on a few occasions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Was bowling mid 130s when I saw him bowl. Decent pace throughout.
    I watched only a couple of balls and followed CI. Any way, he's no longer fast.

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    Tbf his action has deteriorated by a long shot not too long before he get reported

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Did any of the commentators point it out? TBH looked like chucking on a few occasions.
    Commentators don't do that. Not on live TV at least.


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    I dunno what to make of this... could be, could not be given.. its 50:50
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Attachment 72012

    I dunno what to make of this... could be, could not be given.. its 50:50
    How much does he straighten it though?

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    A video will do us good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statsman View Post
    How much does he straighten it though?
    This is the maximum flexion that he reaches, he straightens from this.. all other frames before after this are normal

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    If his action is suspect, hopefully the coaching stuff works with him to fix it before he's called on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    This is the maximum flexion that he reaches, he straightens from this.. all other frames before after this are normal
    Very bad in that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statsman View Post
    Very bad in that case.
    Could be a reason he was selected as a last resort

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    He'll get away with it

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    Was chucking at the death, and always does when he bowls his effort balls, i.e. when he tries to bowl very fast or fire those yorkers in.

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    How on earth is he getting away with it?


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    Will get called by the end of this year if he doesn't mend his ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    How on earth is he getting away with it?
    Harder to tell when its a fast bowler for the on field umpires.

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    Why do you want to get medicore bowler banned? If batsman doesn't have a problem with it then who cares...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Was chucking at the death, and always does when he bowls his effort balls, i.e. when he tries to bowl very fast or fire those yorkers in.
    double standard

    when we question the ashwin bowling action you were repeatedly saying at that time there is icc and

    umpire panel who is there and watching the bowling action of each and every bowler closely does not you

    should apply this formula their .you personal hate is again showing against junaid

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Harder to tell when its a fast bowler for the on field umpires.
    It seems so damn dodgy, you'd report it to just check if it's fine. But in this case, it seems like he's literally throwing the ball...


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    double standard

    when we question the ashwin bowling action you were repeatedly saying at that time there is icc and

    umpire panel who is there and watching the bowling action of each and every bowler closely does not you

    should apply this formula their .you personal hate is again showing against junaid
    Ashwin WAS chucking in the Asia Cup to make a point, he even hinted at himself in an interview during the tournament... There's nothing wrong with his action now IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It's a travesty, you'd be doing the same if an Indian was bowling with the same action.

    Try to be objective here..
    has any body question bumrah bowling action you should watch these than compare junaid and bumrah

    although bumrah might not chuck but looks more suspicious than junaid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    It seems so damn dodgy, you'd report it to just check if it's fine. But in this case, it seems like he's literally throwing the ball...
    Sorry bro but that's a little too much. Doesn't seem that bad to me. Sure, dodgy but not throwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    has any body question bumrah bowling action you should watch these than compare junaid and bumrah

    although bumrah might not chuck but looks more suspicious than junaid
    How can Bumrah even chuck with that action? Bumrah action is unsual like Malinga( not same but unusual) and both can't chuck with their natural action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Sorry bro but that's a little too much. Doesn't seem that bad to me. Sure, dodgy but not throwing.
    At the death it was that bad.

    The other ones were 50-50 IMO, not as obvious.


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    It wasn't questionable this game. He was clearly chucking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
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    I dunno what to make of this... could be, could not be given.. its 50:50
    Post the video here and we will check it out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    double standard

    when we question the ashwin bowling action you were repeatedly saying at that time there is icc and

    umpire panel who is there and watching the bowling action of each and every bowler closely does not you

    should apply this formula their .you personal hate is again showing against junaid
    Ashwin has the cleanest action of a spinner in world cricket. Anyone who questions his action has absolutely no credibility at all and is just using a *** for tat approach


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    has any body question bumrah bowling action you should watch these than compare junaid and bumrah

    although bumrah might not chuck but looks more suspicious than junaid
    Bumrah is slingy action like Malinga and no one can chuck with that action


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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
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    I dunno what to make of this... could be, could not be given.. its 50:50
    Bhai you folks don't know the chucking rule. You can bowl with 90 degrees bent elbow as long as you don't change that angle by more than 15 degrees.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Bhai you folks don't know the chucking rule. You can bowl with 90 degrees bent elbow as long as you don't change that angle by more than 15 degrees.
    It's impossible for a fast bowler to generate pace without straightening.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Bumrah is slingy action like Malinga and no one can chuck with that action
    His action is like Malinga or not but he clearly jerks and can be seen from the naked eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Ashwin has the cleanest action of a spinner in world cricket. Anyone who questions his action has absolutely no credibility at all and is just using a *** for tat approach
    bro i know he has clean action i was talking about 2014 ashwin action not after that because he stop

    bending his arm after than

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    Bumrah is slingy action like Malinga and no one can chuck with that action
    i miss used the word it should be jerk not chuck

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    If Junaid were chucking he would have been reported right after the 2nd ODI. Post Ajaml, there's too much scrutiny on Pak bowlers. Some youtube experts 's comments "his chucking is so blatant" blah blah are OTT like suddenly all cameras and umpires cannot catch what they can on youtube lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    If Junaid were chucking he would have been reported right after the 2nd ODI. Post Ajaml, there's too much scrutiny on Pak bowlers. Some youtube experts 's comments "his chucking is so blatant" blah blah are OTT like suddenly all cameras and umpires cannot catch what they can on youtube lol
    Let's stop being biased for a while.

    Any cricket follower can spot his blatant chucks -- you'd have to be quite biased to ignore that and claim he doesn't.

    I saw him bowl for the first time this series and I was shocked how he's getting away with it.

    Will be reported soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    It's impossible for a fast bowler to generate pace without straightening.
    you know the clue. Even Mac was borderline 15 degree ......

    No Umpire'll ever catch a fast bowler unless there is a noticeable "jerk". JK is a medium pace BOWLER; not sure I'll say the same if he is fast-medium .......

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    He has been chucking from day one. Some posters were in denial. Chucks even more now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    you know the clue. Even Mac was borderline 15 degree ......

    No Umpire'll ever catch a fast bowler unless there is a noticeable "jerk". JK is a medium pace BOWLER; not sure I'll say the same if he is fast-medium .......
    Mac = McGrath?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster777 View Post
    If Junaid were chucking he would have been reported right after the 2nd ODI. Post Ajaml, there's too much scrutiny on Pak bowlers. Some youtube experts 's comments "his chucking is so blatant" blah blah are OTT like suddenly all cameras and umpires cannot catch what they can on youtube lol
    Probably, only reason why he is still going to play 5th ODI

    ICC gave Ajmal highest level of leniency, almost unfair to any other nation - check that WC T20 match against WI - he wasn't called even then.

    As usual, some Buzurgs advised him, so he went to County & in front of MCC elite snobs bowled 600+ overs with that action .............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Mac = McGrath?
    Yes, to my greatest surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    double standard

    when we question the ashwin bowling action you were repeatedly saying at that time there is icc and

    umpire panel who is there and watching the bowling action of each and every bowler closely does not you

    should apply this formula their .you personal hate is again showing against junaid
    Ashwin doesn't chuck.

    As far as Junaid is concerned, he has hardly played international cricket ever since ICC got serious about chuckers in August-September 2014. Had he played regularly over the last two years, he would definitely have been reported by now and that is why I believe that if he doesn't fix his action, he will get reported by the end of this year.

    Can he get away with? Maybe, since it is difficult for the umpires to stop >15 degree straightening in seamers, but at the same time, the likes of Taskin etc. did get reported.

    What is not disputable is that Junaid is 100% beyond the legal limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Ashwin doesn't chuck.

    As far as Junaid is concerned, he has hardly played international cricket ever since ICC got serious about chuckers in August-September 2014. Had he played regularly over the last two years, he would definitely have been reported by now and that is why I believe that if he doesn't fix his action, he will get reported by the end of this year.

    Can he get away with? Maybe, since it is difficult for the umpires to stop >15 degree straightening in seamers, but at the same time, the likes of Taskin etc. did get reported.

    What is not disputable is that Junaid is 100% beyond the legal limit.
    Agree. Remember when BCCI 'rested' Ashwin? On his return, he's bowling action had been modified.

    PCB are incompetant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    Agree. Remember when BCCI 'rested' Ashwin? On his return, he's bowling action had been modified.

    PCB are incompetant.
    They also got rid of Ojha who was suspect. The problem is that even if Ashwin gets tested, people will still complain that he didn't get banned because of BCCI. Some people will be satisfied only if he gets banned, even though he has the cleanest action in the game today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Bhai you folks don't know the chucking rule. You can bowl with 90 degrees bent elbow as long as you don't change that angle by more than 15 degrees.
    It straightens from here.. the rest of his pics are a straight arm

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    My brother and I have been discussing this from the start of this series and we both think that Junaid is chucking. I will be surprised if ICC do not take any action after this series.

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    Haha some awful throwing today.

    It couldn't get more blatant.


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    Rubbish bowler


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    Not even questionable anymore.

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    Every after chucking, he can only bowl at 135 clicks


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    I think if he was chucking he would have been called already in Australia.

    Although not useful chucking or no chucking.


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    He's always been on the edge but it's getting worse recently.


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    Difficult for the umpires to call out pacers who chuck, but he was lucky that he missed international cricket during 2014-2015, and that is when the chucking crackdown was in full force and all the suspects in the international circuit were caught.

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    So Chucker retains his spot in ODIs. Looks like the inevitable thrashing in the Champions Trophy will finally close his chapter.

    He has always been a certified choker and has never performed in any ICC tournament, and I don't see the tradition discontinuing in the upcoming Champions Trophy.

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    Dont think he will get a chance in the playing X1s.


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    Lol not surprised who have bump this thread .According to icc rules he is still clear and crystal and only bowler in the pakistan team currently who have average of 27 with the bowl after 70+wickets in odis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    So Chucker retains his spot in ODIs. Looks like the inevitable thrashing in the Champions Trophy will finally close his chapter.

    He has always been a certified choker and has never performed in any ICC tournament, and I don't see the tradition discontinuing in the upcoming Champions Trophy.
    Embarrassing. Junaid is not a chucker if he is as mediocre as you make him out to be because his failures are then down to his mediocrity rather than him choking under the pressure.

    As for his action, he should have it checked on his own accord and have it rectified if necessary. Would be a big blow if Pakistan don't have him and Amir opening the bowling in England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    So Chucker retains his spot in ODIs. Looks like the inevitable thrashing in the Champions Trophy will finally close his chapter.

    He has always been a certified choker and has never performed in any ICC tournament, and I don't see the tradition discontinuing in the upcoming Champions Trophy.
    Choker? Lol I always remember him for being good in the death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Embarrassing. Junaid is not a chucker if he is as mediocre as you make him out to be because his failures are then down to his mediocrity rather than him choking under the pressure.

    As for his action, he should have it checked on his own accord and have it rectified if necessary. Would be a big blow if Pakistan don't have him and Amir opening the bowling in England.
    *Choker, not chucker.

    I hope he gets called in the West Indies and cleared before the CT so we can get this over with.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistani Pace View Post
    Choker? Lol I always remember him for being good in the death.
    He has failed in every ICC tournament/Asia Cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Embarrassing. Junaid is not a chucker if he is as mediocre as you make him out to be because his failures are then down to his mediocrity rather than him choking under the pressure.

    As for his action, he should have it checked on his own accord and have it rectified if necessary. Would be a big blow if Pakistan don't have him and Amir opening the bowling in England.
    He is a chucker, and he is mediocre in bilateral series but absolutely rubbish in tournaments. Hence, both a chucker and a choker. Indeed it will be a big blow to see him waste the new ball in the Champions Trophy in England due to his inability to swing the ball an inch. We already saw that 4 years ago, when all seamers were able to swing the ball in the 2013 Champions Trophy except for Junaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a chucker, and he is mediocre in bilateral series but absolutely rubbish in tournaments. Hence, both a chucker and a choker. Indeed it will be a big blow to see him waste the new ball in the Champions Trophy in England due to his inability to swing the ball an inch. We already saw that 4 years ago, when all seamers were able to swing the ball in the 2013 Champions Trophy except for Junaid.
    Did you see him swing the ball in Australia or have you been in hibernation ever since that 2013 Champions Trophy? If you have been, you must clearly remember him destroying India in India and South Africa in South Africa as well.

    Junaid Khan has hardly played 60 ODI matches. Out of that, a very small portion has been played in these tournaments, you speak of. I would say that you're being totally unreasonable but at the end of the day, you are simply Mamoon.


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