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    Ashwin is a classical off spinner.Flight variations Spin etc.Carrom bowler and doosra are sparingly used by him.I hope he continues this way and doesnt become a doosra bowler with occasional offies.

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    Soon be the number 1 spinner


    It is either a heartache or a headache ..Argh relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Soon be the number 1 spinner
    No jinxing please.

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    has got great future ahead of him

    He can actually turn the ball unlike dartbajan

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    No jinxing please.
    no jinxing. stating the obvious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    no jinxing. stating the obvious.
    IDK.But he has one advantage over Ajmal and One over Swann.

    He actually flights and turns the ball unlike Ajmal.

    He has a doosra and carrom ball and hence can take the ball away unlike Swann.

    What happens remains to be seen.He has potential though.

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    44 wickets out of 51 in india against wi and nz and 2 today.

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    A God like home bully is our Ashwin.

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    Dunno...may be over-rated. It's not like Swann bowling and getting good batsmen out. This guy is bowling to the sort of line-up that folds at the slightest hint of turn. And before that he was bowling to the Blackcaps. And before that to the Windies.

    I'd like to see him against Lanka or someone good first.


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    kp and cook should play him like they did against hafeez in the odi series just stay back and smash him.

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    Where is this new mystery ball that's all I want to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed View Post
    kp and cook should play him like they did against hafeez in the odi series just stay back and smash him.
    Goodness me, please email this wonderful suggestion to the ECB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Goodness me, please email this wonderful suggestion to the ECB.







    look how he stays back and plays his shots.
    Last edited by speed; 17th November 2012 at 04:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Dude's turning out to be a better test bowler than LOI bowler. Irony huh?
    This is funny indeed.lol When people saw him, we all thought he would be very effective in T20s and ODIs but would be unsuccessful in tests. Check record now.

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    "I don't think Ashwin is a great bowler" Geoffrey Boycott

    Watching Preview show of England vs India and he was talking about Ashwin and was pretty harsh towards him, while sanjay manjreakar ang ganguly were just looking

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    That's a bit harsh to bag him. Whatever Boycott says should be taken with a grain of salt any way.
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    HOw can he be great just by playing 7 test matches?

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    To me he is very predictable, not the greatest turner in the world and bowls way too short a length.
    But then again same was the case with Kumble and he ended up with 500 plus wickets so who am I to doubt him

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    Good...now he will show Boycott what he is capable

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    Agree...he is not a 'great' bowler by any means at the moment! Needs to develop a lot of patience to set a batsman up...

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    Ashwin is a limited overs bowler at best. Like a crapper version of Mendis.


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    Ashwin needs to improve temperament and work on his off spin more, he's not getting enough turn.

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    Boyks called Hearath ordinary and he went on to destroy England Boyks been loosing some marbles these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    Boyks called Hearath ordinary and he went on to destroy England Boyks been loosing some marbles these days.
    to be fair that was more due to the ineptness of the English batsmen

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPrince View Post
    to be fair that was more due to the ineptness of the English batsmen
    Did he called Ajmal in same way when he got lot of cheap English wickets in UAE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow View Post
    HOw can he be great just by playing 7 test matches?
    Just like you can't become a great by playing just 23 tests with 15 of those in conditions that favor you

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    Ashwin is definitely a good bowler with a lot of potential and age on his side who will and should surpass the best spinner of this era who happens to be an Englishmen and I can see feeling insecure. He can be a pretty grumpy old man at times!

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    I watched the same show and he said that he wasn't impressed with Ashwin's bowling in 'THIS' match and that his record obviously tells that he isn't a bad bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakPrince View Post
    to be fair that was more due to the ineptness of the English batsmen


    So Ajmal and Rehman run through England it because they are great bowlers but if Herath does so, it is because the English batsman are inept?

    Truth is, neither Ajmal nor Rehman (who is actually pretty mediocre) are good enough which is evident by how Sangakkara gets a truckload of double hundreds against us and Ajmal never seems to trouble India at all and even Bangladesh breeze through him these days.

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    Not up to the mark in 2nd Innings so far, but I expect him to come back strong either today or in the next game at Kolkata. IMHO, he is not as bad bowler as he's been projected by some critics in media and forums like this.


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    OHja > Ashwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Ashwin is definitely a good bowler with a lot of potential and age on his side who will and should surpass the best spinner of this era who happens to be an Englishmen and I can see feeling insecure. He can be a pretty grumpy old man at times!
    No he will not. His spin partner is a better bowler then him you accuse Saeed of being over reliant on his doosra yet you let Ashwin get a free pass for being even more over reliant on his carrom ball then Ajmal is off his doosra.

    Ashwin is not a bad bowler but he is surely a rung or even two below Swann and Ajmal. Yes he has age on his side but their is no guarantee he will improve Kaneria and Harbhajan actually got worse with age, he will end as being a serviceable bowler to India but he will never the best spinner in the world unless we end up having a real drought globally for quality spinners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    No he will not. His spin partner is a better bowler then him you accuse Saeed of being over reliant on his doosra yet you let Ashwin get a free pass for being even more over reliant on his carrom ball then Ajmal is off his doosra.

    Ashwin is not a bad bowler but he is surely a rung or even two below Swann and Ajmal. Yes he has age on his side but their is no guarantee he will improve Kaneria and Harbhajan actually got worse with age, he will end as being a serviceable bowler to India but he will never the best spinner in the world unless we end up having a real drought globally for quality spinners.


    Strange that you dismiss a bowler who has 55 wickets at 28 at the very start if his career as not goid enough.He is car less.experienced than Ajmal or Swanm even interms of FC cricket and far far younger.Infact Ajmal and Swana didng even get noticed at this age.Ashwin doesnt uses the carrom ball as often as Ajmal uses the Doosra.Ashwin uses the traditional offie far more than Ajmal.Though Ajmal is the better bowler at this stage Ashwin has the better offie.We will see who is the better bowler at the end of their careers.


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    I hate how the commentators never say "Ashwin". It's always R Ashwin. As if there's an A Ashwin, B Ashwin, C Ashwin....Z Ashwin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Strange that you dismiss a bowler who has 55 wickets at 28 at the very start if his career as not goid enough.He is car less.experienced than Ajmal or Swanm even interms of FC cricket and far far younger.Infact Ajmal and Swana didng even get noticed at this age.Ashwin doesnt uses the carrom ball as often as Ajmal uses the Doosra.Ashwin uses the traditional offie far more than Ajmal.Though Ajmal is the better bowler at this stage Ashwin has the better offie.We will see who is the better bowler at the end of their careers.
    I did not dismiss Ashwin as being a bad bowler I think he is pretty good but definetley below Ajmal and Swann even Ojha, Herath and Rehman at this stage. Yes with age he may get better but we just can't make assumptions for the future there is no guarantee he will, many spinners don't Kaneria? Harbhajan? .And NO his offie is certainly not better then Ajmal he gets it to bounce more but Ajmal spins it more so it depends on the surface on some Ashwin offie will be more effective while on others Ajmal offie will be more lethal.

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    Despite a lackluster performance in the 2nd Inning of this test, I still believe he can do better job for us in the upcoming games. He is a thinking bowler with level head on his shoulder. This flop show will only make him understand his strength and weakness better. I won't say he is as good as Swann or Ajmal, both are having years of experience and skillset that they gathered over the years in comparison to Ashwin. He is just a newbie into Test Cricket (playing only in his 9th test here). With more games that he play for India, he is only going to improve.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Afridirocks View Post
    Watching Preview show of England vs India and he was talking about Ashwin and was pretty harsh towards him, while sanjay manjreakar ang ganguly were just looking
    Way too early to judge ashwin, he can be dangerous in the right conditions but so far he's only played one test series away from home and he averaged 65.

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    Let's not forget Ashwin's first innings wicket contribution. 3 top order batsmen's wicket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshland View Post
    I hate how the commentators never say "Ashwin". It's always R Ashwin. As if there's an A Ashwin, B Ashwin, C Ashwin....Z Ashwin.
    We Tamils don't use a last name and only use the given name and the initial letter of the father's name in front. Ashwin is his given name and R is for Ravichandran, his father. Ashwin has said in some interview that he doesn't like to be called as Ravichandran Ashwin. So, I think, he is just R Ashwin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketworm View Post
    Let's not forget Ashwin's first innings wicket contribution. 3 top order batsmen's wicket.
    yea first innings was your best bowler bit over the top to dismiss him for one poor show.


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    I think the harshness towards Ashwin is because of the love towards Bajji. Ganguly and Manjrekar were criticizing Ashwin even when he was taking bucket load of wickets against NZ. I remember Manjrekar saying that Ashwin has done well here but remember he failed in Australia. Ganguly said that Bajji should play for India in all forms of cricket.

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    He will improve.

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    lol @ Mamoon calling Rehman mediocre. Okay.

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    Rehman is the bowler who puts most revs on the ball. He bowls close to 90ks, but gets obscene amounts of spin due to it. From what I've seen I rate him above Ojha and even Herath.

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    Ashwin tries too many things its so frustrating. Why cant he stick to off spin like Ojha. The moment he bowls the carrom ball which is no longer a mystery BTW he loses all rhythm and looks very mdeiocre. Needs to be more patient and concentrate on the stock delivery and traditional line

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post


    So Ajmal and Rehman run through England it because they are great bowlers but if Herath does so, it is because the English batsman are inept?

    Truth is, neither Ajmal nor Rehman (who is actually pretty mediocre) are good enough which is evident by how Sangakkara gets a truckload of double hundreds against us and Ajmal never seems to trouble India at all and even Bangladesh breeze through him these days.
    When did ajmal play India? and when did Bangladesh breeze through at all against anyone?


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    ojha great name lol, what a brilliant bowling performance.

    test bowler certified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    lol @ Mamoon calling Rehman mediocre. Okay.
    Rehman, Herath, Ashwin are really mediocre. Not sure what is happening with these new gen. batters from Eng and NZ.

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    Ojha is better than Ashwin in Tests.


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    I don't know why he is messing up with his action. Going the Harbhajan way. Too many daters.

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    11 wicket haul now for him. What a weird career he's had so far.

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    What a way to come back into form. He's bowled really well. The pitch was a turner but every other spinner failed to capitalize while he kept chipping in with wickets.

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    awesome stuff.fitting reply to those who write him off

    difference was he wasnt trying too much


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    Beautiful bowling!


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    Actually he bowled well. Easy to get carried away on this bunsen burner and try to extravagantly spin the ball. But he has abandoned his Pausing crap and focussed on bowling well. It also helps that Ozzies cannot play spin to save their lives ala us except Clarke and probably Henriques.


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    His stats after 13 tests read 75 wickets, Saaed Ajmal had 59 after 13 tests.

    Rehman has 81 wickets after 17 tests. And Philander 89 wickets after 17.

    Ashwin is not in the same league as some of those names but has made important changes to his bowling in this game focusing less on variation and more on his stock ball the off spinner which he didn't bowl much vs England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Actually he bowled well. Easy to get carried away on this bunsen burner and try to extravagantly spin the ball. But he has abandoned his Pausing crap and focussed on bowling well. It also helps that Ozzies cannot play spin to save their lives ala us except Clarke and probably Henriques.
    Only does that in LoIs.


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    Ashwin seems to be getting back his lost form. Hope at least this time he avoids too many variation(which he seems to be addicted in the last few months) in one over and concentrate on bowling flighted classical offspinners more.


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    This guy loses form for 3 matches then recovers it in one match. How weird?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    His stats after 13 tests read 75 wickets, Saaed Ajmal had 59 after 13 tests.

    Rehman has 81 wickets after 17 tests. And Philander 89 wickets after 17.

    Ashwin is not in the same league as some of those names but has made important changes to his bowling in this game focusing less on variation and more on his stock ball the off spinner which he didn't bowl much vs England.
    Issue with him and the other Indian bowler is that they dont have much bowling temperament. They picks most of their wickets in one or two spells where they get completely on top of batsmen to the point of bullying. But when things aren't going well, they go into shell and look completely impotent. This where Ajmal and Swann are better because even when they are not bullying, they bowl a very tight line and ensure they are not being hit for many. The pressure is always there on the batsmen ball after ball. Ashwin needs to get better in that department as he's often gone wicket less for longer duration as well on off days.

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    After 13 matches:

    Ajmal 59 wickets @ 33.5 , batting avg 12.75 with 1 fifty.
    Ashwin 75 wickets @29.8, batting avg 42.8 with 1 hundred and 3 fifties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Issue with him and the other Indian bowler is that they dont have much bowling temperament. They picks most of their wickets in one or two spells where they get completely on top of batsmen to the point of bullying. But when things aren't going well, they go into shell and look completely impotent. This where Ajmal and Swann are better because even when they are not bullying, they bowl a very tight line and ensure they are not being hit for many. The pressure is always there on the batsmen ball after ball. Ashwin needs to get better in that department as he's often gone wicket less for longer duration as well on off days.
    Lets be honest here, Ashwin is no Ajmal and he does not have as many tricks with control as Ajmal does. The good thing about Ashwin is that he improved his length and bowled a lots of traditional stuff this innings. His carrom balls were used sparingly and most of his wickets were traditional off spinners dismissals.

    The guy is 13 tests old, still learning his trade, we have to hope that he turns into something good for India. The only thing we need to do as fans is reprise some faith on the bowler like Ashwin and give him a run of about 20-25 tests and see how his career pans out.

    He just toured Australia once where lots of great spinners have struggled (Murali has an average of 75 or something like that) and yes he did fail against England but that will be a learning experience for him.

    He played two weaker sides at home who aren't great players of spin and got into some bad habits as his inconsistencies were rewarded with wickets by those two sides. He was punished for the same inconsistencies by a better batting line up as England. Now he would be in a position to realize that what worked against NZ and WI will not work against other teams and he needs to be more patient against better sides, which is what we are seeing him do in the present game. In the same accord you will see him getting better overseas too. It took Kumble almost 10 years to become a decent spinner overseas and Ashwin has just played one series. He needs more time and he surely has a god chance of becoming a decent bowler for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    Lets be honest here, Ashwin is no Ajmal and he does not have as many tricks with control as Ajmal does. The good thing about Ashwin is that he improved his length and bowled a lots of traditional stuff this innings. His carrom balls were used sparingly and most of his wickets were traditional off spinners dismissals.

    The guy is 13 tests old, still learning his trade, we have to hope that he turns into something good for India. The only thing we need to do as fans is reprise some faith on the bowler like Ashwin and give him a run of about 20-25 tests and see how his career pans out.

    He just toured Australia once where lots of great spinners have struggled (Murali has an average of 75 or something like that) and yes he did fail against England but that will be a learning experience for him.

    He played two weaker sides at home who aren't great players of spin and got into some bad habits as his inconsistencies were rewarded with wickets by those two sides. He was punished for the same inconsistencies by a better batting line up as England. Now he would be in a position to realize that what worked against NZ and WI will not work against other teams and he needs to be more patient against better sides, which is what we are seeing him do in the present game. In the same accord you will see him getting better overseas too. It took Kumble almost 10 years to become a decent spinner overseas and Ashwin has just played one series. He needs more time and he surely has a god chance of becoming a decent bowler for India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GentleMan View Post
    After 13 matches:

    Ajmal 59 wickets @ 33.5 , batting avg 12.75 with 1 fifty.
    Ashwin 75 wickets @29.8, batting avg 42.8 with 1 hundred and 3 fifties.
    Was that hundred against England? Something like 156/0, right?

    And those fifties must the 56/7 and 53/5, approx, he took against WI, I guess.

    Quite unusual to talk about hundreds and fifties to describe bowling performances, I reckon.

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    Ashwin is a decent bowler and will end up with sizeable amount of wickets and 7-8k plus international runs when he retires,yes he is no Ajmal but Ajmal is 10 years older than he is and ashwin has a huge humongous future ahead of him ,bowling outside asia will always be a worry though

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    endymion248 bitterness is quite understandable given Ajmal's just had the worst series of his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truefan View Post
    Ashwin is a decent bowler and will end up with sizeable amount of wickets and 7-8k plus international runs when he retires,yes he is no Ajmal but Ajmal is 10 years older than he is and ashwin has a huge humongous future ahead of him ,bowling outside asia will always be a worry though
    People are over-rating his batting because of his inflated average. It will come down over the time and he'll be a good lower-order bat with 25-30 avg methinks.

    7-8k runs? I doubt He'll even get 5k. India play more away than at home for next 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    endymion248 bitterness is quite understandable given Ajmal's just had the worst series of his career.
    A bowler who takes a 10 wicket haul in the worst series of his career and averages as much as Bhajji in said series.

    I am bitter, but you should see it as sweet performance given your standards

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    Ashwin needs to stop the dud variations like the carrom ball and start concentrating on his off spinners like Swann! I'd be glad if he achieves at least half of what Kumble did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandeep99 View Post
    Ashwin needs to stop the dud variations like the carrom ball and start concentrating on his off spinners like Swann! I'd be glad if he achieves at least half of what Kumble did!
    That would still only be averaging around 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by endymion248 View Post
    That would still only be averaging around 15
    I meant 300 wickets

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    His batting didn't turn up in the last game, he's way better than that. If Kumar could hold on for a 100+ run partnership, Ashwin could have done so too.


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    Ashwin is Decent Spinner in test cricket
    where in Odi/T-20 Jaddeja is better spinner than Ashwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by avidlearner View Post




    Wow...never thought Ashwin was this good! Continue the good work 'All Rounder'

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    Well I dont find his bowling exciting. But, He gives the impression that he is hardworking. He is among the best utility players in test arena.His average will drastically improve once we have couple of good bowlers to tag him along.
    Anyway, By the time he retires, he will definitely be ending up with better figures then so called Muraliesque Azmal....

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    He's our Shakib-ul-Hasan.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    hahahah

    ajmal comparison with ashwin,, ajmal's ranking and stat's says it all,

    personally i think ashwin will do a job, don't expect miracles from him,


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    Ajmal has played what, just 10 more games then Ashwin. What is wrong with him comparing to Ajmal then. Ashwin beat him to fastest 75. He will beat him to fastest 100 too.....
    By the time Ajmal takes retirement, Ashwin would have overtaken number of wickets claimed by Ajmal.... And to top it, He will have over a decade cricket left in him while Ajmal will be watchingAshwin play from his old age home....

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    Ajmal bamboozled the English batsmen while Ashwin was man handled by KP & co. Ashwin is only good against weak batting line ups like WI, NZ, AUS etc.


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