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    Well Apart from that one particularly choosen condition, Ajmal has nothing else which backs his credential over Ashwin. And then again, we have been miserable in loads of test matches except the ones where Ashwin performed.

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    Another Pfifer for Ashwin. Quite a match winner when he's on song.

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    Yet another good show from him. Hope he continues this into the ODIs as well.


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    Hope he learns to pick wickets abroad as well and doesn't get bogged down while playing better players of spin. His temperament will be tested against better players.

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    Philander - 16 tests, 89 wickets

    Ashwin - 16 tests, 90 wickets (with a few more to come in the 2nd innings)

    Saeed Ajmal had 79 wickets after 16 tests, Rehmand had 76.

    Ashwin has done well at home but he will have to show the same form in the next 12-15 months away from home otherwise get tagged as a spin track bully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    Philander - 16 tests, 89 wickets

    Ashwin - 16 tests, 90 wickets (with a few more to come in the 2nd innings)

    Saeed Ajmal had 79 wickets after 16 tests, Rehmand had 76.

    Ashwin has done well at home but he will have to show the same form in the next 12-15 months away from home otherwise get tagged as a spin track bully.
    Same away test is waiting for philander in UAE.

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    Not many home tests now after this series. That average will rise to 40 again. lol

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    He needs to learn to depend on the flight rather than pitch then he can get wickets away too.


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    Brilliant bowler!


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    Ashwin does not wear full sleeves.

    Good to see a classical off spinner with a clean action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singham View Post
    Ashwin does not wear full sleeves.

    Good to see a classical off spinner with a clean action.
    are u referring to someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallusingh View Post
    are u referring to someone?
    Harbhajan? ha ha...not really.. u know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singham View Post
    Harbhajan? ha ha...not really.. u know...
    ok .. now i got it

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    Ashwin's record is very surprisingly impressive,

    Still feel Ajmal has the special factor at the moment but doesn't have age on his side where Ashwin does have that,


    But very impressed considering he was a t20 bowler mainly


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    Hes done well at home but against three pretty inept spin playing teams He didnt do too well in australia Lets see how he gets on away from home again


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    3 MOTS performance in 5 test series that he has played so far in his very short test career

    Ashwin


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    Has declared that he has added some variations....now that usually means a failure series is coming.... plz nooooooo.... proteas will be licking their lips

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    Yea bloody hell, just stick to your off spin, thats good enough.

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    there can't be any more balls, they've got the one that turns in, turns out, goes on with the arm, slower ball, quicker ball, what else will sccience actually make happen

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    I rate Ojha over him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfield View Post
    I rate Ojha over him.
    Skill wise so do I. Ashwin's advantage is that he is very intelligent bowler.

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    I don't believe South African pitches are going to be helpful for an off spinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChennaiFan View Post
    I don't believe South African pitches are going to be helpful for an off spinner.
    Yup Ajmal was pretty useless there too (apart from the second Test when the pitch was spin friendly)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Red Devil~ View Post
    Yup Ajmal was pretty useless there too (apart from the second Test when the pitch was spin friendly)
    At least, against Pakistan, SA would think twice before dishing out a pacy pitch. Against India, they know what to do! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChennaiFan View Post
    I don't believe South African pitches are going to be helpful for an off spinner.
    Ashwin would extract extra bounce which might help him.

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    I rate Ashwin very highly.

    England mishap happened NOT because of his variations but due to his wrong run up.

    Let me elaborate it for those who don't know what actually happened.

    Ashwin had developed some bad habits while bowling. There was an issue with his run up that put him in a position where he wasn't able to land the ball where he wanted.

    So if he wanted to land it outside off, it would land on middle and leg. If he wanted to land it on middle and leg, it would land outside leg.

    In fact, in the whole England series, none of his carrom balls pitched in line with the stumps. All of them were OUTSIDE leg stump.

    Pretty disgraceful.

    After that fiasco, Ashwin realized something was missing. So he took his coach along with him when he flew to play the BCCI Corporate Trophy (he was the captain of one of the teams).

    The first 1-2 matches, he got whacked or something.

    On that tour, his coach Sunil Subramaniam (one of the best spinners India never had due to the spin quartet in the 70's) identified that the issue was with his run up.

    He started making adjustments and things started improving for him in that trophy.

    Next series - Australia and you know what he did.

    The same carrom balls (that he got immense flake for) accounted for Brad Haddin, Glenn Maxwell, Mitchell Johnson.

    Brad was batting well at that time and it was a good carrom ball that snared him.

    And remember the World Cup 2011. Shane Watson was the biggest threat and he fell to Ashwin due to the carrom.

    I have friends who play cricket and who know what's going on with Ashwin and here's the deal -

    Ashwin has stopped trying to disguise his carrom ball. Its getting more and more lethal (bcos of the spin) and he is trying to bowl it well instead of disguising it.

    Maybe that's why he is trying for a carrom that comes in to the right hander.

    By the way, I don't rate his Kulasekara carrom dismissal highly.

    It was a half tracker that Kula could have dispatched anywhere but he chose not to. Agreed, the ball spun crazily but Ashwin had bowled far better carrom deliveries to AB De Villiers (in the CT) who was actually clueless when facing them).
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    ^That makes sense.

    In fact, I remember him stating in the presentation post the Aussie 4-0 whitewash that it was his run-up that was the problem versus *cough*, the Poms.


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    I for one think Ashwin is quite overrated. Ojha is comfortably better spinner than him. Had he enjoyed equal confidence in his abilities from Dhoni, he'd have been even better performer than he is now.

    It was criminal of Dhoni not to play Ojha in first 3 tests against Aus, IIRC.

    Thankfully, there was Sir to take care of all such bunglings from Dhoni.

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    I disagree. Ashwin is better than Ojha. Ojha can plug away for hours on end but Ashwin is more attacking and more likely to get you wickets. He has a long way to go yet but it is early days and as long as he is committed to keep improving, I see a good future ahead of him.


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    I for one, would love to be proved wrong on this.

    But as I said, Ojha doesn't enjoy Dhoni's confidence as much as Ashwin does otherwise there was no reason for Dhoni not to play him in first 3 tests of BG trophy. And enjoying your captain's confidence is a big factor in your development as a cricketer.

    Ashwin too failed against Eng. In fact, IIRC, Ojha was better than him in that series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ST1998 View Post
    I for one, would love to be proved wrong on this.

    But as I said, Ojha doesn't enjoy Dhoni's confidence as much as Ashwin does otherwise there was no reason for Dhoni not to play him in first 3 tests of BG trophy. And enjoying your captain's confidence is a big factor in your development as a cricketer.

    Ashwin too failed against Eng. In fact, IIRC, Ojha was better than him in that series.
    OK, tell me what other series was Ojha better than him other than vs England?

    I gave you the reason why Ashwin messed up vs England.

    Even in the warm ups played in Australia, Ashwin picked up more wickets (I am NOT implying that that one game proves Ashwin is better in Australia, I am just quoting stats).

    Did you see how Ojha bowled in the Ranji matches prior to the Australia series?

    Bhajji was outbowling him. Comfortably.

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    I feel there is a damocles' sword hanging over Ojha's head in every game he plays for India. So my point still stands, he needs to have his captain's full backing for him to prosper. Case in point is Murali Kartik who never enjoyed his captains' confidence for various reasons right from Tendulkar to Ganguly.

    Tendulkar never forgave him for sort of singlehandedly losing that test against SA in '99-00 when we had them on the ropes at one stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ST1998 View Post
    I feel there is a damocles' sword hanging over Ojha's head in every game he plays for India. So my point still stands, he needs to have his captain's full backing for him to prosper. Case in point is Murali Kartik who never enjoyed his captains' confidence for various reasons right from Tendulkar to Ganguly.

    Tendulkar never forgave him for sort of singlehandedly losing that test against SA in '99-00 when we had them on the ropes at one stage.
    That's true.

    Ojha's place is always threatened and that does affect performance.

    Best eg - Laxman's performance before and after he was confirmed to be a regular.

    Can you tell what happened with this Murali Karti incident?

    What did he do to make India lose the match?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Can you tell what happened with this Murali Karti incident?

    What did he do to make India lose the match?
    Sure.

    That was India's first test against SA in their 2- test series in India just before the storm of match fixing scam of '00s. India scored a par score of 220-odd in their first innings aided by an excellent Tendulkar’s innings of 97 against a rampaging SA bowling unit on a really tough pitch to bat on. SA replied with a score of 170-odd all out in their first innings, giving India a very valuable lead of 50-odd runs.

    India couldn’t do much in their 2nd innings on a pitch which was getting increasingly difficult to bat on and were bundled out for 110-odd. SA, in their pursuit of 160-odd runs as their target were 5/115 and 6/128 with only Kallis and a greenhorn Boucher at crease on a pitch which has become a minefield.

    In came Kartik who conceded a lot of 4s to Boucher especially, thereby releasing all the pressure created by Kumble from the other end. So that was that, end of that test which made India even more deflated in the following test and SA comfortably won that test, thereby marking the end of Tendulkar’s captaincy innings and Azhar’s cricket career.

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    I don't understand why these bowlers announce before actually delivering. What's the use of variation if it doesn't earn a wicket ? Ashwin need to perform first and if successful, he need to boast his skills while collecting the man of the match/series award

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    People say a lot about Tendulkar, the captain and match winning batsman. Of course, he wasn't a great tactician by any stretch of imagination. But many many times in his captaincy tenure, he was hugely let down by his team. This test was a case in point as was that Barbados test, of course he himself didn’t do too well with bat in this test. But as his stats show, he was successful with bat more often that not. There were so many of his breathtaking innings which didn’t deserve to be ending up on the losing side but they did.

    His biggest drawback as captain was that he expected everyone from his team to play like him which was not humanely possible. Also, he was way too impatient for results. I saw him so many times running to his bowlers in between their overs, advising them what to do and what not to. Of course, he himself won’t like his non striking partner to run up to him and giving him advise how to play the next ball. That to me was one of his biggest shortcoming as a captain.

    Sometimes you gotta let your team to perform In the middle on their own rather than advising them on every single matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ST1998 View Post
    People say a lot about Tendulkar, the captain and match winning batsman. Of course, he wasn't a great tactician by any stretch of imagination. But many many times in his captaincy tenure, he was hugely let down by his team. This test was a case in point as was that Barbados test, of course he himself didnít do too well with bat in this test. But as his stats show, he was successful with bat more often that not. There were so many of his breathtaking innings which didnít deserve to be ending up on the losing side but they did.

    His biggest drawback as captain was that he expected everyone from his team to play like him which was not humanely possible. Also, he was way too impatient for results. I saw him so many times running to his bowlers in between their overs, advising them what to do and what not to. Of course, he himself wonít like his non striking partner to run up to him and giving him advise how to play the next ball. That to me was one of his biggest shortcoming as a captain.

    Sometimes you gotta let your team to perform In the middle on their own rather than advising them on every single matter.
    True that. Thanks for the info reg Kartik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandMaster View Post
    I don't understand why these bowlers announce before actually delivering. What's the use of variation if it doesn't earn a wicket ? Ashwin need to perform first and if successful, he need to boast his skills while collecting the man of the match/series award
    He actually didn't announce it.

    It was just a answer to a question posed by some media guy or expert.

    No news channel is showing this story as far as I can see.

    Update: Sorry. Now its started showing. Yeah, you are right. Its better off bowlers talk about their variations AFTER getting the wickets. Or maybe its just that someone asked him about his variations and he replied. Dunno.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ST1998 View Post
    I feel there is a damocles' sword hanging over Ojha's head in every game he plays for India. So my point still stands, he needs to have his captain's full backing for him to prosper.
    There is, but for valid reasons, even without going into his superior batting.

    Ojha made his test debut before Ashwin, so it is not as if the latter got a head start. Even after Ashwin made his debut, Ashwin has consistently outbowled Ojha in all series, bar one. His strike rate and average are superior. He is a far more attacking bowler. So, if Dhoni has more confidence in Ashwin, it is for valid reasons.

    Ojha needs to show that he can be a much better bowler in order to make up for the extra batting edge that Ashwin has.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KIC View Post
    There is, but for valid reasons, even without going into his superior batting.

    Ojha made his test debut before Ashwin, so it is not as if the latter got a head start. Even after Ashwin made his debut, Ashwin has consistently outbowled Ojha in all series, bar one. His strike rate and average are superior. He is a far more attacking bowler. So, if Dhoni has more confidence in Ashwin, it is for valid reasons.

    Ojha needs to show that he can be a much better bowler in order to make up for the extra batting edge that Ashwin has.
    The problem for Ojha is that Ashwin is a better Test batsman than many regular Indian batsman.

    In Tests, his inability to slog and stuff matters little. If he can survive the first 30 odd balls, this guy can really survive in dangerous conditions.
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    Whether the media asked him or no, Ashwin should use the new variation as a lethal weapon rather than talking to media about it

    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    He actually didn't announce it.

    It was just a answer to a question posed by some media guy or expert.

    No news channel is showing this story as far as I can see.

    Update: Sorry. Now its started showing. Yeah, you are right. Its better off bowlers talk about their variations AFTER getting the wickets. Or maybe its just that someone asked him about his variations and he replied. Dunno.

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    2 overs, 41 runs.

    Economy rate of 20.5

    LMAO

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    A bad day in the office.....happens to the best of us. Stuart Broad once gave almost the same amount of runs in one over....that does not make him a bad bowler.

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    Ashwin has been bowling rubbish in the last 2 games.

    CLT20 semifinal and yesterday.

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    Just a bad day and in a T20 at that, move on.

    He's no Dernbach.


    Have some Sehwag in your life.

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    Always been rubbish in T20. No idea why, he's pretty decent in ODIs and tests.

    Jadeja's the best bowler for India now in LOI by a mile.

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    Ashwin has struggled in T20's. Probably Mishra should replace him in T20's. He is pretty good ODI and Test bowler though. He is not mediocre because of one poor show.

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    It was fun to watch Finch and Maxwell hit Ashwin for fun! Complete disdain..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    Always been rubbish in T20. No idea why, he's pretty decent in ODIs and tests.

    Jadeja's the best bowler for India now in LOI by a mile.
    True that.

    In domestic T20, he has been ok after a great start.

    In international T20, he has been rubbish.

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    bump

    Ashwin tops allrounder rankings in Tests

    R Ashwin's hundred and a match haul of five wickets in the first Test against West Indies has lifted him to the top of the ICC's rankings for Test allrounders, the first time he has reached No. 1. Ashwin took the top spot from Bangladesh allrounder Shakib Al Hasan, who is 43 points behind the Indian offspinner, while South Africa's Jacques Kallis is third.

    Ashwin scored a career-best 124 during the Kolkata Test and was involved in a 280-run stand with Rohit Sharma, the highest seventh-wicket partnership for India in Tests. He followed up his two wickets in the first innings with a haul of 3 for 46 in 19 overs in the second to become only the Indian cricketer to score a century and take five wickets in a Test twice.

    His hundred pushed him 18 places up the rankings for Test batsmen to the 45th position. He also moved up to sixth place in the bowler rankings, the only Indian bowler in the top 10.

    Ashwin has had a good run in Test cricket in 2013. In the four-Test series against Australia earlier this year, he finished as the leading wicket-taker with 29 wickets at an average of 20.10. He is sixth on the list of leading wicket-takers this year, with 34 wickets from five Tests at an average of 20.02.

    In 17 Tests since his debut in November 2011, Ashwin has scored 741 runs at an average of 41.11 and taken 97 wickets at an average of 28.07.


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    well done ashwin.keep up the good work

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    Rumours that Ashwin has not been picked due to possibility of being called for 'throwing'


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Rumours that Ashwin has not been picked due to possibility of being called for 'throwing'
    If that's true that is a pretty stupid reason. Ajmal has never been called for a suspect action in England so why would Ashwin. Ashwin has a pretty clean action apart from that annoying pause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Rumours that Ashwin has not been picked due to possibility of being called for 'throwing'
    Yeah...what a blatant chucker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Rumours that Ashwin has not been picked due to possibility of being called for 'throwing'
    Only when he tries to copy Murali or bowl a leg spinner does his action look suspect. Else his off spinner and carrom balls are bowled with classic actions IMO. Should play the next two tests in place of Rohit Sharma.

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    I would be surprised if Dhoni goes with five bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    I would be surprised if Dhoni goes with five bowlers.
    i would be,most indian fans definitely would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    Rumours that Ashwin has not been picked due to possibility of being called for 'throwing'
    Can you quote the source of this rumour?

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    Ashwin will play 100%. Even Varun Aaron will play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynic View Post
    Can you quote the source of this rumour?
    It wouldn't be a rumour if i had a source


    If that's true that is a pretty stupid reason. Ajmal has never been called for a suspect action in England so why would Ashwin. Ashwin has a pretty clean action apart from that annoying pause.
    Since his action's been remodelled , he now chucks the ball
    The Oval would have been ideal for Ashwin, Old Trafford not so much


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    Quote Originally Posted by shailee View Post
    Ashwin will play 100%. Even Varun Aaron will play.


    As good as official why Ashwin has not been played in the current series


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    Ashwin for me is a talented batsman who is deadly on subcontinental tracks with the ball. Can end up being a future great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electron View Post
    Ashwin for me is a talented batsman who is deadly on subcontinental tracks with the ball. Can end up being a future great.
    so he is a batsman who can bowl a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    As good as official why Ashwin has not been played in the current series
    Poor selection. I always believed if Ashwin is not bowling well, he should be selected for his batting alone. He is the one who can play both pacers and spinners with ease and makes it look very easy while others are crumbling around him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight_Drive View Post
    so he is a batsman who can bowl a bit
    He is a batsman who can be one of the best bowlers ever on subcontinental tracks. May go on to improve his overseas record too like Kumble did towards the end of his career.

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    Still think india need to back him as their overseas spinner, neither him or jadeja are going to roll teams away from home but he's still the better spinner and the better bat and the more likely to at some point become more consistent outside asia.

    I think the issue is dhoni though, he just doesn't see any current indian spinner as an attacking weapon outside india and so he will always want jadeja.

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    Ravichandran Ashwin : The best All Formats/Tournaments spinner in the world today?

    Spectacular performer in all formats of the game and tournaments as well.



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    I reckon Yasir Shah is better. T20 doesn't really count as a valid format because T20 specialist spinners like Narine are better in that format than more rounded spinners like Ashwin; and said T20 specialists tend to be rubbish at the longest form. So it's just test and ODIs. I prefer Yasir because he bowls leg spin and leg spin is simply more threatening and attacking than off spin. Not only that, it is a much more difficult discipline for the spin bowler to master than off spin or slow left arm.


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    Yes. Even in individual formats, he is either the best or joint best.

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    Another thread intended for chest thumping.


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    Across all formats he is better than Yasir Shah, but he has played more than Yasir Shah, and we don't know what will be the position in next 2 years, but currently in Test Yasir>Ashwin


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    Tests: Yasir > Ashwin
    ODIs: Yasir <<< Ashwin
    T20: don't care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Tests: Yasir > Ashwin
    ODIs: Yasir <<< Ashwin
    T20: don't care
    How?Can you please tell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    How?Can you please tell.
    Because -
    1) Ashwin being a magician in India/Lanka/Bangladesh does not matter.
    2) Also, Yasir's failure in Bangladesh does not matter, afterall, it is just 1/3 places he has bowled on.

    What matters is that Yasir is expected to run riot in Australia and England because Shane Warne loves him more.

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    We can only compare Yasir and Ashwin when Yasir has toured outside Asia.

    Though I feel it wont be too difficult to out do what Ashwin achieved abroad.

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    Just a few months back you Indian fans were complaining that he's hopeless in tests outside the SC...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    We can only compare Yasir and Ashwin when Yasir has toured outside Asia.

    Though I feel it wont be too difficult to out do what Ashwin achieved abroad.
    Ashwin averages 33 in Engand, which is better than Yasir's average in Bangladesh. His only real failure has been in Australia, and looking at the Aussie pitches, most spinners would see that fate.

    If Yasir outperforms Ashwin, then sure, he will be termed better. But as of now, there is no evidence to support that claim.

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    Another fc thread!!

    In a nutshell, so far, YES.

    Better in ODIs and T20s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Ashwin averages 33 in Engand, which is better than Yasir's average in Bangladesh. His only real failure has been in Australia, and looking at the Aussie pitches, most spinners would see that fate.

    If Yasir outperforms Ashwin, then sure, he will be termed better. But as of now, there is no evidence to support that claim.
    I think ranking of a bowler is enough evidendce to prove that point. Also you should be comparing Mishra with Yasir not an off break bowler if you are a true cricket fan or have an understanding of the game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Because -
    1) Ashwin being a magician in India/Lanka/Bangladesh does not matter.
    2) Also, Yasir's failure in Bangladesh does not matter, afterall, it is just 1/3 places he has bowled on.

    What matters is that Yasir is expected to run riot in Australia and England because Shane Warne loves him more.
    @Slog is a fair poster.


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