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    what an episode. Woke up at 5 am for this. Did not disappoint.


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    Good build up.


    Felt for Samwell when Daenarys poker face broke that news to him, damn...


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    Really liked the season premiere. Great episode to set up the rest of the season

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    Good episode.


    To me, this episode was all about Sansa's character development. First she saw what Tyrion failed to see, and then Arya called her the "smartest person she knows". Time spent with Littlefinger really did transform her.


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    Good episode but nothing special i hope the upcoming episodes are better...


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    Best Part of the Episode


    The Scene with Jaime and Bran was just perfect. Im sure that line in the trailer "everything you have done has brought you to this moment" is directed to Jaime



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    Kinda boring....


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    Couldn't help but laugh hysterically when Danny broke it all down to Samwell

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    That episode was meh considering there are only 6 episodes they wasted alot of time.

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    Pretty good - lots of setup.

    Curious that nobody reacted to Bran’s news of the Wall breach and the Ice Dragon.

    Interesting to see the Sansa-Dany tension.

    How will the imperious Dany react to the news, after all the obstacles she overcame, that she isn’t rightful Queen?

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    Bran to Sam “i’m Waiting for an old friend”...
    Then the ending....

    Epic

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    Everybody and I mean almost 95% of the characters will be in Winterfell by the next episode. I bet they are setting up a huge huge showdown at Winterfell. With lots of character deaths coming up too.

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    I feel like 6 episodes are too few.

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    Worst part of the episode: Jon snow's reaction when he finds out about his true identity.

    Very poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Worst part of the episode: Jon snow's reaction when he finds out about his true identity.

    Very poor.
    What did you Want him to do?

    Be happy that he is not a bee.a.st.... or throw up that he was a phoophi lover?
    Kindly explain!

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    One of the worst episodes in the entire series, if you are going to be predictable by sucking up to the fans at least be sincere and genuine about that. After years of building up the hype they came up with the shitiest reunion possible. CGI Drogon showed better expressions than the entire episode casts combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    What did you Want him to do?

    Be happy that he is not a bee.a.st.... or throw up that he was a phoophi lover?
    Kindly explain!
    It is not about the one big final reaction when he has processed the whole information. It's about the whole thing and how it evolves.

    When Sam was explaining to him what he had found out, Jon Snow's face was as frozen, void of emotions and was staring into nothing. There was no squinting of the eyes, raising of the eyebrows, shaking of the head in disbelief, a look of confusion and doubt. Absolutely nothing. If you were to mute the audio you couldn't tell Jon Snow is currently getting the big reveal of his life a ground breaking moment in the series.

    Then to top it off two seconds later he had accepted his new identity and the topic was whether the queen would accept his claim of authority or not.

    The whole thing felt rushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    I feel like 6 episodes are too few.
    This was only a shorter episode setting up the for the final series. Bear in mind that the rest of them are going to be 80mins plus which makes them almost the length of feature films. I thought it was pretty good considering there wasn't any real action, but I expect it to start hotting up next week.


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    Would have preferred Bran to tell Jon about his true identity. I felt Sam kind of rushed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    It is not about the one big final reaction when he has processed the whole information. It's about the whole thing and how it evolves.

    When Sam was explaining to him what he had found out, Jon Snow's face was as frozen, void of emotions and was staring into nothing. There was no squinting of the eyes, raising of the eyebrows, shaking of the head in disbelief, a look of confusion and doubt. Absolutely nothing. If you were to mute the audio you couldn't tell Jon Snow is currently getting the big reveal of his life a ground breaking moment in the series.

    Then to top it off two seconds later he had accepted his new identity and the topic was whether the queen would accept his claim of authority or not.

    The whole thing felt rushed.
    Kit Harrington is a poor actor, especially when it comes to displaying emotions and using body language. Jon Snow is a wonderful character, and a better actor could have taken it to the next level.

    Kit Harrington has not done justice to the role by any measure. Sam did rush a bit, but Kit’s reaction was also an opportunity missed.

    The entire show has build up to this moment but it was an opportunity missed. It wasn’t nearly as epic as it should have been. The scene Bran and Sam discussing his lineage in last season’s finale was so much better, but it shouldn’t have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Would have preferred Bran to tell Jon about his true identity. I felt Sam kind of rushed it.
    Yes definitely. Would have been a lot better than "ya I read it in some old mans book so believe me."

    At least Bran could have not just revealed that he has mad super powers but actually made it emotional like "yo bro I saw the whole thing myself. my dad fought hard to rescue his sister, your mom, but it wasn't enough. The love of honorable Ned Stark for your mom was so strong that he risked losing his honor and pretend he betrayed his lady only to protect you and keep his promise to his beloved sister. His love for you wasnt because you were his b*stard son by some random wh*re but because you were the son of his dear sister"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Yes definitely. Would have been a lot better than "ya I read it in some old mans book so believe me."

    At least Bran could have not just revealed that he has mad super powers but actually made it emotional like "yo bro I saw the whole thing myself. my dad fought hard to rescue his sister, your mom, but it wasn't enough. The love of honorable Ned Stark for your mom was so strong that he risked losing his honor and pretend he betrayed his lady only to protect you and keep his promise to his beloved sister. His love for you wasnt because you were his b*stard son by some random wh*re but because you were the son of his dear sister"
    I feel they rushed it because they wanted to squeeze in the Bran and Jamie scene. Adding 10 mins to the episode would have been a good idea. The remaining episodes are going to be much longer anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Kit Harrington is a poor actor, especially when it comes to displaying emotions and using body language. Jon Snow is a wonderful character, and a better actor could have taken it to the next level.

    Kit Harrington has not done justice to the role by any measure. Sam did rush a bit, but Kit’s reaction was also an opportunity missed.

    The entire show has build up to this moment but it was an opportunity missed. It wasn’t nearly as epic as it should have been. The scene Bran and Sam discussing his lineage in last season’s finale was so much better, but it shouldn’t have been.
    I was looking forward to the moment Jon finds out about his identity. It could have been a big "Luke, I am your father" kind of moment for GoT.

    Everything was poorly executed. I am not a book person and haven't read one GoT book however I wonder how George Martin would execute the moment, if he ever gets to finish the book series.

    At one hand you have this guy who his whole life has been told and made to be believe that he belongs to the lowest in the society. That he is an illegitimate, not worthy of any title. While all his other siblings he grew up can look forward to a bright future as children of Ned Stark, he accepts a life at a wall, where typically the outcast of the society are forcefully sent to. However even amongst the outcasts he is initially rejected and remains an outcast and made ashamed of being a b*stard. Finally when he starts earning respect by some of his peers, he is stabbed in the heart by his "brothers".

    Then he finds out that he is actually of noble heritage, a combination of Stark and Targaryen two of the most epic and historic lineages in the whole Kingdom. Not just that the whole time he had the most legitimate claim to the Iron Thrones than all the fools fighting for it, even the dragon mother.

    His reaction in the show:

    "k,"

    I can understand if under the current circumstance and the immediate threat, Jon doesn't care anymore about a title or nobility but he never really expresses this.

    Frustrated.

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    Ever since the show started outpacing the books, the content on the show has suffered.

    They didn't have the source material as canon to guide them on exactly how things should go down, and instead pandered to the section of the fanbase that just wants battles, dragons, and deaths every episode.

    Seasons 1-3, where you had the slow build up and political intrigue meant that the payoff when you finally had a battle or a death was so much greater than now.

    The worst part was last season's trip north to capture a wight. I refuse to believe thats the way GRRM will do things, if he ever gets round to it. The way it panned out seemed so stupid at the time.

    On this episode...the dragon ride scene..again so cringeworthy. The moment Jon got on a dragon should have had a much greater impact - in Westeros, only Targaryen's have ever ridden dragons. The fact he was able to do it should have hit him a lot harder - instead, its reduced to him swooning around with Dany. I know he is meant to be a bit thick, but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Kit Harrington is a poor actor, especially when it comes to displaying emotions and using body language. Jon Snow is a wonderful character, and a better actor could have taken it to the next level.

    Kit Harrington has not done justice to the role by any measure. Sam did rush a bit, but Kit’s reaction was also an opportunity missed.

    The entire show has build up to this moment but it was an opportunity missed. It wasn’t nearly as epic as it should have been. The scene Bran and Sam discussing his lineage in last season’s finale was so much better, but it shouldn’t have been.
    Having read the books before the TV series got underway, I felt that quite a few of the actors didn't really match up to the books, but they are decent in their own way, although I agree Kit Harrington is a long way off. But he's popular because he's eye candy and for a tv show that is a big factor.

    That said, a few of the characters have been truly outstanding versions, all of the Lannister family have been superb. Jaimie, Cersei, Tyrion and Tywin were all pretty much spot on. I also like Varys and Baelish, don't think you could have improved much on them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    Ever since the show started outpacing the books, the content on the show has suffered.

    They didn't have the source material as canon to guide them on exactly how things should go down, and instead pandered to the section of the fanbase that just wants battles, dragons, and deaths every episode.

    Seasons 1-3, where you had the slow build up and political intrigue meant that the payoff when you finally had a battle or a death was so much greater than now.

    The worst part was last season's trip north to capture a wight. I refuse to believe thats the way GRRM will do things, if he ever gets round to it. The way it panned out seemed so stupid at the time.

    On this episode...the dragon ride scene..again so cringeworthy. The moment Jon got on a dragon should have had a much greater impact - in Westeros, only Targaryen's have ever ridden dragons. The fact he was able to do it should have hit him a lot harder - instead, its reduced to him swooning around with Dany. I know he is meant to be a bit thick, but still...
    LOL, can't really disagree with much of that, pretty much nail on the head.


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    Why wasnt Dany shocked to watch Jon Snow ride a Dragon? Only Targareyns can ride a Dragon. It should have been a big surprise to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Why wasnt Dany shocked to watch Jon Snow ride a Dragon? Only Targareyns can ride a Dragon. It should have been a big surprise to her.
    As per the books there were many non targ dragon lords during the glory days of Valeryan freehold, in fact house Targeryan was one of the lesser houses back then. You are right though, since the doom of Valyria Targs are pretty much the only dragonlords left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    As per the books there were many non targ dragon lords during the glory days of Valeryan freehold, in fact house Targeryan was one of the lesser houses back then. You are right though, since the doom of Valyria Targs are pretty much the only dragonlords left.
    Yes i am talking about post valyrian doom.After the targareyens shifted to the westeros and to dragonstone only they rode the dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Yes i am talking about post valyrian doom.After the targareyens shifted to the westeros and to dragonstone only they rode the dragons.
    Bad writing, that scene could have been one of the most iconic scenes of this season, they made it a Disney style joke.

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    No Stannis, Tywin, Baelish, Roose Bolton, and with Tyrells and Martells wiped out we are left with princess snow and tantrum queen. After years long character development Jaime is a generic good guy now, Tyrion does guest appearances, Varys is a comic relief, remaining starks became uber politicians and badasses, Theon finally restored his manhood by rescuing Yara Bollywood style, Cercei is the generic evil and white walkers are boilerplate monsters. Gotta admit wasn't expecting such pay offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    No Stannis, Tywin, Baelish, Roose Bolton, and with Tyrells and Martells wiped out we are left with princess snow and tantrum queen. After years long character development Jaime is a generic good guy now, Tyrion does guest appearances, Varys is a comic relief, remaining starks became uber politicians and badasses, Theon finally restored his manhood by rescuing Yara Bollywood style, Cercei is the generic evil and white walkers are boilerplate monsters. Gotta admit wasn't expecting such pay offs.
    Stannis death was never shown.

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    Game of thrones lacks the script and writing excellence that it once had. The reunions were not done justice with either by writers or some mediocre actors!

    But still the production, drama and the reputation makes it very good ! The excitement is unparalleled.

    Some people are not feeling good with only 6 episodes. They need to know that all last 4 episodes are of 1h20m.

    I will be keenly waiting for couple of leaks this season as well. Any chance of it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Having read the books before the TV series got underway, I felt that quite a few of the actors didn't really match up to the books, but they are decent in their own way, although I agree Kit Harrington is a long way off. But he's popular because he's eye candy and for a tv show that is a big factor.

    That said, a few of the characters have been truly outstanding versions, all of the Lannister family have been superb. Jaimie, Cersei, Tyrion and Tywin were all pretty much spot on. I also like Varys and Baelish, don't think you could have improved much on them.
    Of all the main characters, Kit is the worst actor !


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    Quote Originally Posted by waqar goraya View Post
    Of all the main characters, Kit is the worst actor !
    And Emilia Clarke

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    Tyrion’s character is pretty much killed off.

    I loved his character far more when he played hand of the king vs queen and did things his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waqar goraya View Post
    Game of thrones lacks the script and writing excellence that it once had. The reunions were not done justice with either by writers or some mediocre actors!

    But still the production, drama and the reputation makes it very good ! The excitement is unparalleled.

    Some people are not feeling good with only 6 episodes. They need to know that all last 4 episodes are of 1h20m.

    I will be keenly waiting for couple of leaks this season as well. Any chance of it?
    The thing is, its all up in the air - no sign of progression in the end game. How are they going to resolve something they have spent so much time building towards with only 6 episodes?

    For example - I, for one, would want the origins and mythology behind the Night King and the white walkers further explored. Whats their motivation, their end game. Why could they not bypass the wall before? How did Dragonfire help do this? Why have they suddenly appeared, after being quiet for so long? How did they fall out of control of the Children of the Forest? Who stopped them last time? Why did they accept Craster's sacrifices? How did they even come to such a deal?

    With so little screen time to go do you really think they can answer all these questions?

    I expect the White Walker part to get resolved quickly, say by episode 3. Because the action has to move back to Kings Landing, and the resolution of the Iron Throne. The sacking of Highgarden and using it to get the Golden Company means that they will have a big part to play - that will also take screen time to solve. Remember Daenerys' vision at the House of the Undying...she will walk in to a ruined Kings Landing.

    We are also forgetting Essos...what will happen to all Daenery's holdings there?

    The fact that the show has actually stunted the development of certain characters, like Tyrion and rushed others, like Euron, makes it obvious to me that they will rush through things here as well - they simply dont have the time and budget to resolve everything. Nymeria and Ghost have simply ceased to exist.

    But so long as we get dragons, a couple of big battles, unnecessary nudity, lots of shots of the media's favourite characters, and a few 'shock' deaths every episode, then the majority will be happy.

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    I think the whole white walkers thing has made the show a bit childish.

    They have wasted countless episodes on the threat from beyond the wall.

    If the white walkers aren't as scary as made out to be, then the amount of time the characters spent talking about the walkers will be the stupidest thing ever.

    They should be doing some irrepairable damage in the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    The thing is, its all up in the air - no sign of progression in the end game. How are they going to resolve something they have spent so much time building towards with only 6 episodes?

    For example - I, for one, would want the origins and mythology behind the Night King and the white walkers further explored. Whats their motivation, their end game. Why could they not bypass the wall before? How did Dragonfire help do this? Why have they suddenly appeared, after being quiet for so long? How did they fall out of control of the Children of the Forest? Who stopped them last time? Why did they accept Craster's sacrifices? How did they even come to such a deal?

    With so little screen time to go do you really think they can answer all these questions?

    I expect the White Walker part to get resolved quickly, say by episode 3. Because the action has to move back to Kings Landing, and the resolution of the Iron Throne. The sacking of Highgarden and using it to get the Golden Company means that they will have a big part to play - that will also take screen time to solve. Remember Daenerys' vision at the House of the Undying...she will walk in to a ruined Kings Landing.

    We are also forgetting Essos...what will happen to all Daenery's holdings there?

    The fact that the show has actually stunted the development of certain characters, like Tyrion and rushed others, like Euron, makes it obvious to me that they will rush through things here as well - they simply dont have the time and budget to resolve everything. Nymeria and Ghost have simply ceased to exist.

    But so long as we get dragons, a couple of big battles, unnecessary nudity, lots of shots of the media's favourite characters, and a few 'shock' deaths every episode, then the majority will be happy.
    I'm sure there's lots of scope for a prequel there, probably independent of the author as he is struggling to finish the books for this one. But I can't imagine that HBO or whoever owns the rights to the tv series is going to let go of it in a hurry when you get people waiting up until 2am in the morning to watch the show in the UK. GOT is the most successful tv show of all time, they will look for angles to squeeze more out of it down the line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    The thing is, its all up in the air - no sign of progression in the end game. How are they going to resolve something they have spent so much time building towards with only 6 episodes?

    For example - I, for one, would want the origins and mythology behind the Night King and the white walkers further explored. Whats their motivation, their end game. Why could they not bypass the wall before? How did Dragonfire help do this? Why have they suddenly appeared, after being quiet for so long? How did they fall out of control of the Children of the Forest? Who stopped them last time? Why did they accept Craster's sacrifices? How did they even come to such a deal?

    With so little screen time to go do you really think they can answer all these questions?

    I expect the White Walker part to get resolved quickly, say by episode 3. Because the action has to move back to Kings Landing, and the resolution of the Iron Throne. The sacking of Highgarden and using it to get the Golden Company means that they will have a big part to play - that will also take screen time to solve. Remember Daenerys' vision at the House of the Undying...she will walk in to a ruined Kings Landing.

    We are also forgetting Essos...what will happen to all Daenery's holdings there?

    The fact that the show has actually stunted the development of certain characters, like Tyrion and rushed others, like Euron, makes it obvious to me that they will rush through things here as well - they simply dont have the time and budget to resolve everything. Nymeria and Ghost have simply ceased to exist.

    But so long as we get dragons, a couple of big battles, unnecessary nudity, lots of shots of the media's favourite characters, and a few 'shock' deaths every episode, then the majority will be happy.
    GoT should have been a 10 season affair. Season 8 and 9 should have been used to tie loose ends, but perhaps the actors do not want to commit to the show any further.

    The prequel suggestion also sounds plausible. HBO have struck gold with this franchise and they are going to milk for a long time. Perhaps they have deliberately left a few questions hanging for spin-offs etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Tyrion’s character is pretty much killed off.

    I loved his character far more when he played hand of the king vs queen and did things his way.
    True, now watch him provide comic relief with Varys while the heroes fight CGI monsters. This season will be like poor man's lord of the rings, generic heroes battling generic monsters with a few shocking deaths here and there just for old times' sake.

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    GRR Martin has been involved with the making of the seasons that weren't based on book material. So, saying that its entirely series writers' fault that later series don't live up the the standard previously set is disingenuous. GRR is equally at fault here and from his history, it seems entirely plausible that he doesn't work well when things are set on time schedule. He can't take 10 years to make a new season like he does when writing a book.

    Anyways, GOT has been ground-breaking for TV. It has set the new standard for fantasy television and will inspire several future high-budget dramas. It is the franchisee that will be remembered for its best; not for its worst, and rightfully so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    The thing is, its all up in the air - no sign of progression in the end game. How are they going to resolve something they have spent so much time building towards with only 6 episodes?

    For example - I, for one, would want the origins and mythology behind the Night King and the white walkers further explored. Whats their motivation, their end game. Why could they not bypass the wall before? How did Dragonfire help do this? Why have they suddenly appeared, after being quiet for so long? How did they fall out of control of the Children of the Forest? Who stopped them last time? Why did they accept Craster's sacrifices? How did they even come to such a deal?

    With so little screen time to go do you really think they can answer all these questions?

    I expect the White Walker part to get resolved quickly, say by episode 3. Because the action has to move back to Kings Landing, and the resolution of the Iron Throne. The sacking of Highgarden and using it to get the Golden Company means that they will have a big part to play - that will also take screen time to solve. Remember Daenerys' vision at the House of the Undying...she will walk in to a ruined Kings Landing.

    We are also forgetting Essos...what will happen to all Daenery's holdings there?

    The fact that the show has actually stunted the development of certain characters, like Tyrion and rushed others, like Euron, makes it obvious to me that they will rush through things here as well - they simply dont have the time and budget to resolve everything. Nymeria and Ghost have simply ceased to exist.

    But so long as we get dragons, a couple of big battles, unnecessary nudity, lots of shots of the media's favourite characters, and a few 'shock' deaths every episode, then the majority will be happy.
    Things could have gone well for TV show if GRRM did not have a habit of epic procrastination. There were around 3 dozen characters which the TV show writers found difficult to handle.

    It seems they have already left some threads.

    But the origin of Night King and white walkers can still be explored when around 6 hours of screen time remains. Some of the questions might still get answers but it's quite evident that they have been struggling since last season for an orderly and well worked upon endgame.

    I believe one season for one book is a good distribution of screen time. The fault lies in writing.As first 5 seasons were based upon 5 books and GRRM has set himself target of further 2 books for the endgame, I believe next 3 seasons were enough for a good end.

    Also, the origin and purpose of the Night King is similar to a final 5 minute end of a mystery genre 2 hour movie. The film revolves around the mystery but that mystery is exposed in a very little screen time. So, I believe it does not necessarily need an entire season.

    I myself hate one drawback of this show which is too much of nudity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    True, now watch him provide comic relief with Varys while the heroes fight CGI monsters. This season will be like poor man's lord of the rings, generic heroes battling generic monsters with a few shocking deaths here and there just for old times' sake.
    Tyrion and Varys are alive for a reason.

    The show still keeps some characters on the edge, if you notice !


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    Quote Originally Posted by waqar goraya View Post
    Tyrion and Varys are alive for a reason.

    The show still keeps some characters on the edge, if you notice !
    Hopefully you are right, invested too much time and emotion to walk away now, I just want some typical GRRM moments amidst the CGI fest is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    GRR Martin has been involved with the making of the seasons that weren't based on book material. So, saying that its entirely series writers' fault that later series don't live up the the standard previously set is disingenuous. GRR is equally at fault here and from his history, it seems entirely plausible that he doesn't work well when things are set on time schedule. He can't take 10 years to make a new season like he does when writing a book.

    Anyways, GOT has been ground-breaking for TV. It has set the new standard for fantasy television and will inspire several future high-budget dramas. It is the franchisee that will be remembered for its best; not for its worst, and rightfully so.
    GRR Martin being involved in the production of the tv series isn't the same as writing the script. The books provide all the depth of character and dialogue, those are noticeably missing from the series that have moved ahead of the books. Still makes for great television on the whole, but you do see some daft scenes like the couples dragon ride which might have played out differently with a writer's script.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Yes definitely. Would have been a lot better than "ya I read it in some old mans book so believe me."

    At least Bran could have not just revealed that he has mad super powers but actually made it emotional like "yo bro I saw the whole thing myself. my dad fought hard to rescue his sister, your mom, but it wasn't enough. The love of honorable Ned Stark for your mom was so strong that he risked losing his honor and pretend he betrayed his lady only to protect you and keep his promise to his beloved sister. His love for you wasnt because you were his b*stard son by some random wh*re but because you were the son of his dear sister"
    Bran isn't Bran anymore. He's the 3 eyed raven. He's lost most of his identity that he associates himself with Bran. No surprise when Jon said "you're a man now" and he replied with "almost", literally meaning he's "almost" a man, but more a 3 eyed raven. And if anything it was more poetic that Sam told him. They're brothers of the nights watch, and he trusts Sam more than anyone. Sure he could've got the whole story from Bran - which he probably will get from him off-screen - but Jon is shocked more than anything.

    The pacing of the episode was good, obviously it could've been another 10 mins longer or so but I thought they did well with so many re-acquaintances needing to show.

    Only thing that irked me was Dany finding out that Viserion was now an ice dragon but she goes out on a dragon ride date with Jon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    The thing is, its all up in the air - no sign of progression in the end game. How are they going to resolve something they have spent so much time building towards with only 6 episodes?

    For example - I, for one, would want the origins and mythology behind the Night King and the white walkers further explored. Whats their motivation, their end game. Why could they not bypass the wall before? How did Dragonfire help do this? Why have they suddenly appeared, after being quiet for so long? How did they fall out of control of the Children of the Forest? Who stopped them last time? Why did they accept Craster's sacrifices? How did they even come to such a deal?

    With so little screen time to go do you really think they can answer all these questions?

    I expect the White Walker part to get resolved quickly, say by episode 3. Because the action has to move back to Kings Landing, and the resolution of the Iron Throne. The sacking of Highgarden and using it to get the Golden Company means that they will have a big part to play - that will also take screen time to solve. Remember Daenerys' vision at the House of the Undying...she will walk in to a ruined Kings Landing.

    We are also forgetting Essos...what will happen to all Daenery's holdings there?

    The fact that the show has actually stunted the development of certain characters, like Tyrion and rushed others, like Euron, makes it obvious to me that they will rush through things here as well - they simply dont have the time and budget to resolve everything. Nymeria and Ghost have simply ceased to exist.

    But so long as we get dragons, a couple of big battles, unnecessary nudity, lots of shots of the media's favourite characters, and a few 'shock' deaths every episode, then the majority will be happy.
    GoT should've been a 10 season series. The pacing and writing of the show got funky after they surpassed the books. The books will always be better than the show and the fact that we are where we are, well, that's that. Can't complain about it now. But still though Hardhome and battles in S6 and S7 more than make up a lot of the pacing, and in the end they've done a decent job to get this far.

    Re: white walkers, I'm sure the prequels will go more into that. There are a few stories in the books of why they were unable to bypass the wall, the powers of dragonfire, their re-emergence. In fact in the books there is no Night King, but rather a Nights King. In S6 we do get why the WW's were created though, the Children Of The Forest created them to fight off the First Men. However you are right in that we don't know how they overpowered the COTF or how they lost control. But again I assume because this hasn't been tackled in the books as of yet, the prequel will reveal this.

    Essos is done with, so I expect no Daario either.

    They have the budget, £100m, but the directors want to expore other projects. Sad tbh.

    Re: WW to get done by ep3 lol. You're gonna be surprised. The most generic thing that could happen is WW either done by ep3, then Jon and Dany vs Cersei, J+D win, they marry, etc. Nah. The way I see it the NK will go to Kings Landing and turn all of the population, and march north with 1m people strong.

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    Read a crazy theory, not sure if already popular. So it goes like this, the night king/nights king is actually Azor Ahai who defeated the white walkers during the long night with a sword called lightbringer. He had to sacrifice his love Nissa Nissa by plunging it into her heart in order to unleash the full power of the sword. Some time after subduing the ww he joined the nights watch and eventually became the 13th lord commander and in a terrible twist of fate fell in love with the reanimated corpse of his love 'Nissa Nissa' now is a WW herself and known as the corpse queen, he then ruled the nightfort with her and made countless sacrifices to the WW but was eventually defeated and destroyed by the combined might of the then 'king beyond the wall' Joramun and Brandon 'The breaker" Stark. All the records of night's king's evil were wiped out and his dark reign became a myth.

    Now as per this theory Jon is destined to be the Azor Ahai reborn and to reforge the Lightbringer he has to sacrifice the one dearest and closest to his heart which is Daenerys. He will make that incredible sacrifice, destroy the Night King and push the WW back where they came from, reform the night's watch and become the Lord commander again only to fall in love with an undead Dany, thus continuing the never ending cycle.

    I find this theory fascinating. Eerily justifying the Yin and Yang or probably even "Ontogeny repeats Phylogeny".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Read a crazy theory, not sure if already popular. So it goes like this, the night king/nights king is actually Azor Ahai who defeated the white walkers during the long night with a sword called lightbringer. He had to sacrifice his love Nissa Nissa by plunging it into her heart in order to unleash the full power of the sword. Some time after subduing the ww he joined the nights watch and eventually became the 13th lord commander and in a terrible twist of fate fell in love with the reanimated corpse of his love 'Nissa Nissa' now is a WW herself and known as the corpse queen, he then ruled the nightfort with her and made countless sacrifices to the WW but was eventually defeated and destroyed by the combined might of the then 'king beyond the wall' Joramun and Brandon 'The breaker" Stark. All the records of night's king's evil were wiped out and his dark reign became a myth.

    Now as per this theory Jon is destined to be the Azor Ahai reborn and to reforge the Lightbringer he has to sacrifice the one dearest and closest to his heart which is Daenerys. He will make that incredible sacrifice, destroy the Night King and push the WW back where they came from, reform the night's watch and become the Lord commander again only to fall in love with an undead Dany, thus continuing the never ending cycle.

    I find this theory fascinating. Eerily justifying the Yin and Yang or probably even "Ontogeny repeats Phylogeny".
    So according to this theory Daenerys is gone, Jon become lord commander of night watch thn who is going to rule 7 kingdoms?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    So according to this theory Daenerys is gone, Jon become lord commander of night watch thn who is going to rule 7 kingdoms?
    I don't know sirji. Westeros will probably go back to the state it was before Aegon's conquest, several independent kingdoms ruled by sovereign kings. All parts of the known world has their own versions of the long night and the prince who was promised, so probably this end will just be the beginning and new kingdoms will form over the ruins of the past, Jon's sacrifice will become part of the legend and bedtime stories, politics and backstabbing, wars and conquest will follow, kings will be killed, cities will be sacked, people will go back to being people, while the Night king will patiently await in his deep slumber only to rise again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    So according to this theory Daenerys is gone, Jon become lord commander of night watch thn who is going to rule 7 kingdoms?
    I think most fans get too hung up on who will win the Throne and I can understand why, well it’s the name and the major chunk of the books is all about wars to sit on the Iron Throne, aren’t they?

    But I feel that’s not the main theme here. The main theme here is the war against a bigger enemy. It doesn’t matter who sits on the throne in the end. Because that will keep changing amongst houses and wars and whatnot.. but the WW threat is the bigger crises here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    I don't know sirji. Westeros will probably go back to the state it was before Aegon's conquest, several independent kingdoms ruled by sovereign kings. All parts of the known world has their own versions of the long night and the prince who was promised, so probably this end will just be the beginning and new kingdoms will form over the ruins of the past, Jon's sacrifice will become part of the legend and bedtime stories, politics and backstabbing, wars and conquest will follow, kings will be killed, cities will be sacked, people will go back to being people, while the Night king will patiently await in his deep slumber only to rise again.
    If this all happen thn surely GoT is not going down as the best ever TV series in history.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I think most fans get too hung up on who will win the Throne and I can understand why, well it’s the name and the major chunk of the books is all about wars to sit on the Iron Throne, aren’t they?

    But I feel that’s not the main theme here. The main theme here is the war against a bigger enemy. It doesn’t matter who sits on the throne in the end. Because that will keep changing amongst houses and wars and whatnot.. but the WW threat is the bigger crises here.
    WW is a bigger threat and the whole series is built around this but so far all we saw is how the winter is coming without giving us any background info about NK or WW while they shared every little details about the dragons and queen and houses. How are they going to give us any details about NK and WW in next 5 episodes is beyond me


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    GoT first episode of the final season rating is down to 8.8 from an average 9.5 at IMDB


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    I expect the first few episodes to not do well since this season is so hyped up and people expect a lot.

    I think they will pick up in the last half, simply because we know he producers will fully play to the gallery, like they did in the second half of the last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    If this all happen thn surely GoT is not going down as the best ever TV series in history.
    Our views are subjective and GOT is definitely never going to be in my top 5 no matter what they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Our views are subjective and GOT is definitely never going to be in my top 5 no matter what they do.
    For me GoT is still behind Breaking Bad/The Wire but now it looks like they are not even going to be in my Top 3


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    For me GoT is still behind Breaking Bad/The Wire but now it looks like they are not even going to be in my Top 3
    The leftovers is the finest I have seen, then Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire and Fargo in no particular order. I liked Breaking Bad but despite all the accolades it received I found it massively overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    WW is a bigger threat and the whole series is built around this but so far all we saw is how the winter is coming without giving us any background info about NK or WW while they shared every little details about the dragons and queen and houses. How are they going to give us any details about NK and WW in next 5 episodes is beyond me
    Well see that’s the whole beauty of it. This is an analogy of how we keep fighting each other while there are other problems at hand that we should be focusing on. Some people have already drawn parallels of WW with global warming. The more secretive and cryptic the enemy is, the more sinister they seem and that’s what the author and producers have done.

    But they have dropped plenty of hints in the books as well as the show along the way and you can’t claim we don’t know anything about them. For instance we know the first one was created by the children to fight humans. This was shown in a flashback or vision of sorts Bran Stark has. If you watch the scene, they did it in some secluded forest with weird wood trees and Stonehenge like place with spiral symbols around the tree in the center.
    This symbol
    Is what we keep seeing WW leave behind over and over again.. most recently in the first episode last week. So they are definitely trying to either get to somewhere or get something. So they have an agenda and as a viewer you are supposed to scratch your head over it. I think the big reveal like this won’t take more than an episode. I wouldn’t call that a problem..


    Remember Lost? That show was a hit and the reveal in the end was (after so many seasons) that they were all just dead..

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    I think GOT is certainly at the top followed by True Detective, Dexter, Breaking Bad.
    I also like Man in the High Castle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    Bran isn't Bran anymore. He's the 3 eyed raven. He's lost most of his identity that he associates himself with Bran. No surprise when Jon said "you're a man now" and he replied with "almost", literally meaning he's "almost" a man, but more a 3 eyed raven. And if anything it was more poetic that Sam told him. They're brothers of the nights watch, and he trusts Sam more than anyone. Sure he could've got the whole story from Bran - which he probably will get from him off-screen - but Jon is shocked more than anything.

    The pacing of the episode was good, obviously it could've been another 10 mins longer or so but I thought they did well with so many re-acquaintances needing to show.

    Only thing that irked me was Dany finding out that Viserion was now an ice dragon but she goes out on a dragon ride date with Jon.
    Good point, never crossed my mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Read a crazy theory, not sure if already popular. So it goes like this, the night king/nights king is actually Azor Ahai who defeated the white walkers during the long night with a sword called lightbringer. He had to sacrifice his love Nissa Nissa by plunging it into her heart in order to unleash the full power of the sword. Some time after subduing the ww he joined the nights watch and eventually became the 13th lord commander and in a terrible twist of fate fell in love with the reanimated corpse of his love 'Nissa Nissa' now is a WW herself and known as the corpse queen, he then ruled the nightfort with her and made countless sacrifices to the WW but was eventually defeated and destroyed by the combined might of the then 'king beyond the wall' Joramun and Brandon 'The breaker" Stark. All the records of night's king's evil were wiped out and his dark reign became a myth.

    Now as per this theory Jon is destined to be the Azor Ahai reborn and to reforge the Lightbringer he has to sacrifice the one dearest and closest to his heart which is Daenerys. He will make that incredible sacrifice, destroy the Night King and push the WW back where they came from, reform the night's watch and become the Lord commander again only to fall in love with an undead Dany, thus continuing the never ending cycle.

    I find this theory fascinating. Eerily justifying the Yin and Yang or probably even "Ontogeny repeats Phylogeny".
    This theory or atleast parts of it, does not make much sense... Wall has already fallen, no need of Night’s Watch any more...

    Also, there is no relationship between Knight King in TV show to the Knight’s King in the book... White Walker's in the book are different from the ones in the TV show. There is no female White Walker in TV show, and not much has been shown about their life or culture, where as books had more detail... Books did not mention their origin, where as TV show has shown how KK was created...

    Bran has key role to play in this battle with KK, he is the only human who has super powers...Now plot cannot be changed a whole lot, only 5/6 hours of the show are left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    This theory or atleast parts of it, does not make much sense... Wall has already fallen, no need of Night’s Watch any more...

    Also, there is no relationship between Knight King in TV show to the Knight’s King in the book... White Walker's in the book are different from the ones in the TV show. There is no female White Walker in TV show, and not much has been shown about their life or culture, where as books had more detail... Books did not mention their origin, where as TV show has shown how KK was created...

    Bran has key role to play in this battle with KK, he is the only human who has super powers...Now plot cannot be changed a whole lot, only 5/6 hours of the show are left.
    I am familiar with the books too. There are stories and myths about ancient starks being born wargs and with other supernatural powers. Remember Bran the builder? How he magically built the wall within a very short time with nothing but blocks of ice? What if our Bran is the reincarnation of the mythical builder and destined to rebuild the wall with magic? Bran definitely has some connection with the legendary Bran, if not in the show I feel GRRM will explore that in the books.

    I know the show's night king is different, but do you remember that Jon and Dany cave bonding scene in dragonstone? where the night king was shown having a beard in one of the cave paintings? That can't just be a coincidence, right? May be just may be the Night King of the show is not the only one of his kind but one of the countless beings to have assumed the mantle over an endless period of time.

    There was another theory floating during sixth season that says Bran is in fact the night king. In his desperation to change the past to make sure the WW are never created he keeps going back in time and starts warging over people left, right, center in a futile attempt to influence the present. He is the one who messed up with Areys Targeryan's mind who misinterpreted his messages of stockpiling wildfire and began to burn people with it. In his last attempt he traveled back all the way to the age of heroes where the first men were fighting children of the forest and ended up warging one of the men who was eventually
    Captured and converted into the night king while having Bran's consciousness/mind trapped inside of him. He couldn't come back to his body as it was already claimed by the 3 eyed raven which drove him mad with vengeance which is why in the show the night king is shown more aggressive towards Bran and the blood raven than even Jon. Now there was this haunting similarity in posture between Bran and the men who was being ritually stabbed by one of the children in a scene which is why this theory used to be pretty popular with nerds.

    I know there are loopholes in pretty much every theory you read on internet but it is not fair to expect random basement dwelling nerds to cover all the holes which even the show runners are struggling to patch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    Now plot cannot be changed a whole lot, only 5/6 hours of the show are left.
    Definitely more than 6 hours as runtime of few of the episodes will be as long as movies. Even 6 hours is a bloody ample time to introduce and develop new characters and bring some major plot twists while maintaining the sync and integrity of the storyline if they wish so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    I am familiar with the books too. There are stories and myths about ancient starks being born wargs and with other supernatural powers. Remember Bran the builder? How he magically built the wall within a very short time with nothing but blocks of ice? What if our Bran is the reincarnation of the mythical builder and destined to rebuild the wall with magic? Bran definitely has some connection with the legendary Bran, if not in the show I feel GRRM will explore that in the books.

    I know the show's night king is different, but do you remember that Jon and Dany cave bonding scene in dragonstone? where the night king was shown having a beard in one of the cave paintings? That can't just be a coincidence, right? May be just may be the Night King of the show is not the only one of his kind but one of the countless beings to have assumed the mantle over an endless period of time.

    There was another theory floating during sixth season that says Bran is in fact the night king. In his desperation to change the past to make sure the WW are never created he keeps going back in time and starts warging over people left, right, center in a futile attempt to influence the present. He is the one who messed up with Areys Targeryan's mind who misinterpreted his messages of stockpiling wildfire and began to burn people with it. In his last attempt he traveled back all the way to the age of heroes where the first men were fighting children of the forest and ended up warging one of the men who was eventually
    Captured and converted into the night king while having Bran's consciousness/mind trapped inside of him. He couldn't come back to his body as it was already claimed by the 3 eyed raven which drove him mad with vengeance which is why in the show the night king is shown more aggressive towards Bran and the blood raven than even Jon. Now there was this haunting similarity in posture between Bran and the men who was being ritually stabbed by one of the children in a scene which is why this theory used to be pretty popular with nerds.

    I know there are loopholes in pretty much every theory you read on internet but it is not fair to expect random basement dwelling nerds to cover all the holes which even the show runners are struggling to patch.
    So if Bran ended up being the night king when he went back while trying to stop the WW, then where the heck did they come from? Originally?

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    Last words of Ser Alliser before he was hung were: “ I fought, I lost and now I rest. But you lord Snow, you will be fighting this battle forever”

    I think this was foreshadowing. Snow will survive but he will keep fighting this battle either as the king or the commander of the night’s watch. Danny is most likely a goner at some point. One of them has to go since they both shouldn’t be alive after finding out the truth about their relationship ( that would be too awkward).

    Snow will survive along with one dragon (I expect one more to die by the end).

    Would be interesting which side characters would live. Expect Tyrion to live but Jamie to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    So if Bran ended up being the night king when he went back while trying to stop the WW, then where the heck did they come from? Originally?
    Children creates ww to fight the first men, Bran gets stuck on the very first one, gone mad due to no sex, creates an army of his own kind and march south to find out what Podrick exactly did to those women lol 😂

    Bhai I didn't come up with those theories, I read them a while back, found interesting and now since GOT hype is back again so shared here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    So if Bran ended up being the night king when he went back while trying to stop the WW, then where the heck did they come from? Originally?
    Bran being Knight King storyline could be similar to Hoodor origin story. This story line is popular after that episode in season 5/6...

    Basically, in order to defeat Knight King Bran goes back to the time when Knight King was created(btw GOT has shown that scene in season 4/5), he tried to stop children from creating him, but they did not listen, while doing that he wargs into the person who is KK, so he become KK, like Hoodor become Hoodor, in order to hold the door...At that point Jon realize (like Bran realize about Hoodor), in order to kill KK, he has to kill his brother...

    You have to keep in mind so far, no body matches power of KK, Fire does not effect him, nobody can fight with him. Touching Bran allowed him to cross over the wall. KK has only cared about following Bran to the cave, he has killed last three eye raven and Dragon, otherwise he does not fight.

    Also, last three eye raven was waiting for Bran for thousands of year, why??, when Bran was touched by KK, 3 eyed raven told him, that KK knows he is here, KK will come for you, why?? - Mera’s Brother said strange things about Bran: “He is the only thing that matters”... there are lot of indications that one of KK target is Bran...

    Also, very little is known about three eye raven in Westeros(Citidal hardly knows about him, so is rest of the north)...There is beef between three eye raven and KK, which was never explored in the show, why he specifically came to kill him. They may have some powers to kill him. Origin of KK and three raven had children’s in common...


    We may never know some of these connections, prequel and spin offs are going to happen, some of these mysteries will remain mystery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    Re: WW to get done by ep3 lol. You're gonna be surprised. The most generic thing that could happen is WW either done by ep3, then Jon and Dany vs Cersei, J+D win, they marry, etc. Nah. The way I see it the NK will go to Kings Landing and turn all of the population, and march north with 1m people strong.
    After thinking about it, this is my new favourite theory. I think that they gear up for a battle against the NK and his wights in EP 2, and expect to fight them in EP 3. However, NK has taken his dragon and some portion of his army down south (dont know how yet), and will take Kings Landing.

    It sets things up for the stage to move down there, and he could be the one who destroys the city (in line with the visions Bran and Dany see). He turns the Golden Company, and then you have an epic battle.

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    The worst show ever. Not sure what all the hype is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    After thinking about it, this is my new favourite theory. I think that they gear up for a battle against the NK and his wights in EP 2, and expect to fight them in EP 3. However, NK has taken his dragon and some portion of his army down south (dont know how yet), and will take Kings Landing.

    It sets things up for the stage to move down there, and he could be the one who destroys the city (in line with the visions Bran and Dany see). He turns the Golden Company, and then you have an epic battle.
    So Cersei die in Ep 3 and become a WW or endup hiding for rest of the episodes?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WebGuru View Post
    So Cersei die in Ep 3 and become a WW or endup hiding for rest of the episodes?
    Cersei gets away somehow...maybe the mountain and/or Qyburn help her. Hide in those underground tunnels perhaps? No idea...just a working theory...

    She has to be killed by the Valonqar, so need Tyrion or Jamie to get back to KL to do it.

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    Bran hasn’t shown the ability to alter the events of past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Bran hasn’t shown the ability to alter the events of past.
    Well in a way he did by warging into Hodor and messing him up for good, didn’t he?

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    How to watch it here in pakistan?
    I don't have services of dish tv / cable tv

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Well in a way he did by warging into Hodor and messing him up for good, didn’t he?
    I am pretty sensitive person in regards to spoiler hence I mever read fam theories. However ever since that whole "Hodor" reveal I have been wondering what if it was Bran who mesaed up King Aerys II Targaryen who was famous for rambling "Burn them all, burn them all...." when he turned mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afhan Ali View Post
    How to watch it here in pakistan?
    I don't have services of dish tv / cable tv
    There are some ways. Just ask some one who has seen it. There are many who have watched it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrish View Post
    Bran hasn’t shown the ability to alter the events of past.
    This, the past is already written, as the blood raven said "The ink is dry".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Well in a way he did by warging into Hodor and messing him up for good, didn’t he?
    "He didn't change the past. Hodor has already been saying 'Hodor' this entire time. Things are how they are because of Bran's influences on the past. He didn't change things, he created them at the time of the vision he was in, and reality has been on that course ever since.

    I wouldn't call it time travel, really. Bran was not there in the physical, it was his mind. Ned didn't see Bran when he turned around at the ToJ, he just heard something. Hodor looked like he saw Bran, but what did he actually see, hear and feel? We don't know for sure. The point is, Bran has influenced the time he goes back to. He hasn't set life off on a different path, like time travel stuff does.

    Like whatever Bran tries to do to change the past, he will actually make things occur as they actually did."


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