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    The Future Tours Programme

    http://static.icc-cricket.yahoo.net/...5170164_66.pdf

    Overall at first glance not as bad as feared in the previous thread. Not sure if its finalised. Only 1 series v India but if there is a political thaw sure that will change.

    2011

    Sep Zim (A) 2 tests
    Oct Sri Lanka (h) 3 tests
    Dec Bangladesh (a) 2 tests

    2012

    Jan England (h) 3 tests
    Mar India (a) 3 tests
    Apr Bangladesh (h) 2 tests
    May Sri Lanka (a) 3 tests
    Dec Zimbabwe (a) 2 tests

    13 tests

    2013

    Jan South Africa (a) 3 tests
    June West Indies (a) 2 tests
    Oct South Africa (h) 2 tests
    Dec Sri Lanka (h) 3 tests

    10 tests

    2014

    Oct Australia (h) 3 tests
    Nov New Zealand (h) 3 tests
    Dec Zimbabwe (h) 2 tests

    8 tests

    2015

    Jan Bangladesh (a) 2 tests
    Jun Zimbabwe (a) 2 tests
    Oct England (h) 3 tests
    Dec New Zealand (a) 3 tests

    10 tests

    2016

    Feb Sri Lanka (a) 3 tests
    Jul England (a) 4 tests
    Oct West Indies (h) 2 tests
    Dec Australia (a) 3 tests

    12 tests

    2017

    Feb Bangladesh (h) 2 tests
    Mar West Indies (a) 2 tests
    Oct Sri Lanka (h) 3 tests

    7 tests

    2018

    Mar Zimbabwe (a) 2 tests
    May England (a) 2 tests [India play a 5 test series that summer]
    Oct New Zealand (h) 3 tests
    Dec South Africa (a) 3 tests

    10 tests

    2019

    Feb Australia (h) 3 tests
    Mar Bangladesh (a) 2 tests
    Nov Australia (a) 3 tests
    Dec New Zealand (a) 3 tests

    11 tests
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    13 2-match series!



    I would rather have a 1 odd match instead, or 3, but not 2!

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    pak playing 65 tests only, bangladesh and zimbabwe are the only teams playing lesser games in this period

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    wats with so many 7 odi series for india?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eht View Post
    pak playing 65 tests only, bangladesh and zimbabwe are the only teams playing lesser games in this period
    Unless I got my maths wrong or misread the table we'll be playing 81 tests from 2012 to 2019 which is a lot better than expected. Of course this number may increase if the Pak-Ind politicians want to get it on.

    Equally I can see some of the Zim and Bangladesh planned series falling away due to lack of interest.

    The one thing that annoys me are the 2 test series against the Windies, South Africa and England. Make them 3 and we've got a good schedule with an extra 5 tests (albeit not a great balance - some years are mouth watering others fail to whet the appetite).

    Really hope the situation improves at home and we can have some home series at home. Can't see it happening for at least 3 years minimum.
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    Interesting but why 2 test series :/ Hopefully we will start again in Pakistan soon


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eht View Post
    pak playing 65 tests only, bangladesh and zimbabwe are the only teams playing lesser games in this period
    Pakistan, who have had to play their home series at neutral venues in recent times due to security concerns in their own country, will host Bangladesh and Australia in 2012, and South Africa in 2013. They will play 88 Tests in total till April 2020.
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    My God who planned this thing? It's so repetitive!

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    Can't wait for the England tour in 2016.



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    In an 8 year period I'd hope for 4 series against each country (2 home and 2 away) of 3 tests each (bar Zimbabawe and Bangladesh which O'm content to be of 2 tests each).

    This is how the FTP measures up against that yardstick.

    Australia


    4 series. 2 home, 2 away of 3 tests each. Total 12 tests. Success

    England

    4 series. 2 home, 2 away. Home tests are 3 + 3; Away 4 + 2. Total 12 tests = success save that the 2 test series in 2018 should be 3.

    India

    1 series away of 3 tests. Total = 3 tests. Fail but all depends on politics and may change.

    South Africa

    3 series. 2 away of 3 tests each. 1 home of 2 tests. Total 8 tests. Fail - should be 2 home series of 3 tests each.

    West Indies

    3 series. 2 away, 1 home all 2 tests each. Total 6 tests. Fail by some distance.

    Sri Lanka

    4 series. 2 home, 2 away of 3 tests each. Total 12 tests. Success.

    New Zealand


    4 series. 2 home, 2 away of 3 tests each. Total 12 tests. Success.

    Bangladesh

    4 series. 2 home, 2 away of 2 tests each. Total 8 tests. Success.

    Zimbabwe

    4 series. 1 home, 3 away of 2 tests each. Total 8 tests. Success.

    Overall I'm happy save for South Africa and West Indies comments. India is out of the hands of the administrators and that may or may not change. Interesting that in the FTP certain periods have been pencilled in Pak and India's diaries probably for that ourpose.

    Of course this is liable to change - the last FTP had countless revisions.
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    Too many 7 ODI series for India

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolSERAZ View Post
    wats with so many 7 odi series for india?
    Because everyone knows how India fans can't get enough of ODI's!

    Seriously though, it's probably because ODI's not only draw bigger TV audiences than the IPL for example, but they also last longer, so there's more potential for selling advertising. I'm guessing that a T20 international would probably have to get close to double the TV audience of an ODI to make the same amount of money from TV.

    What's more, Indian fans always do turn out in their droves to watch 50 over cricket, which gives these games an incredible atmosphere. I have never heard of an ODI featuring India in India not being a sell-out.

    Of course, excessively long ODI series and too much cricket in general leads to player burn-out, and a serious deterioration in the quality of cricket on offer, but the BCCI doesn't worry about that as long as the millions keep tuning in to keep the sponsors happy.

    And this isn't purely a dig at the BCCI, the ECB is every bit as bad in terms of subjecting its players to excessive workload.

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    Why are we touring Zim again in 2012 after touring this year?


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    ICC's FTP - Pakistan's program 2012 to 2020

    2012

    To India - 3 Test 5 ODIs
    Host Bangladesh - 2 Test 3 ODIs
    To Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20I
    Host Australia 5 ODIs - 1T20

    2013

    To Zimbabwe - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 2 T20Is
    To South Africa - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 2 T20Is
    To West Indies - 2 Test - 5 ODIs
    Host South Africa - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - 3 T20Is
    Host Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 5T20Is


    2014
    To Bangladesh - Tri Series - Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka
    Host Australia - 3 Tests
    Host New Zealand = 3 Tests - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I
    Host Zimbabwe - 2 Tests - 2 ODIs - 2 T20Is

    2015
    To Banglades - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I
    To Zimbabwe - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I
    Host England - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I
    To New Zealand - 3 Test - 5 ODIs 1 T20I

    2016
    To Sri Lanka - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 2 T20Is
    To England - 4 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I
    Host West Indies - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20Is
    To Australia - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I

    2017
    Host Bangladesh - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1T20I
    To West Indies - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 2T20Is
    Host Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20Is

    2018
    To Zimbabwe - 3 Tests - 2 ODIs - 1T20I
    To England - 2 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1T20I
    To Zimbabwe - 3 ODIs - 2 T20Is
    Host Australia - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I
    Host New Zealand 3 Tests - 3 ODIs - 1T20I
    To South Africa - 3 Tests - 5ODIs - 3 T20I

    2019
    Host Australia - 3 Tests
    To Bangladesh 3 ODIs - 3 T20Is
    To Australia - 3 Tests
    To New Zealand 3 Tests - 5 ODIs 1 T20

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    Series with Bangladesh after a long time. That's good.



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    so we only going to play against india once?

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    No, they have pencilled in a few spots for Pakistan to play India but it really depends on the political relations between two countries.

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    here is WLFC's assessment of the FTP

    2012

    To India - 3 Test 5 ODIs - Excellent
    Host Bangladesh - 2 Test 3 ODIs - Crap
    To Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20I - Good
    Host Australia 5 ODIs - 1T20 - Excellent

    2013

    To Zimbabwe - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Crap
    To South Africa - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Excellent
    To West Indies - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - OK
    Host South Africa - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - 3 T20Is - Excellent
    Host Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 5T20Is - Good


    2014
    To Bangladesh - Tri Series - Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka - OK
    Host Australia - 3 Tests - Excellent
    Host New Zealand = 3 Tests - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I - Good
    Host Zimbabwe - 2 Tests - 2 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Crap

    2015
    To Banglades - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I - Crap
    To Zimbabwe - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I - Crap
    Host England - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent
    To New Zealand - 3 Test - 5 ODIs 1 T20I - Good

    2016
    To Sri Lanka - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Good
    To England - 4 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent
    Host West Indies - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20Is - OK
    To Australia - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent

    2017
    Host Bangladesh - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1T20I - Crap
    To West Indies - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 2T20Is - OK
    Host Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20Is - Good

    2018
    To Zimbabwe - 3 Tests - 2 ODIs - 1T20I - Crap
    To England - 2 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1T20I - Excellent
    To Zimbabwe - 3 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Crap
    Host Australia - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent
    Host New Zealand 3 Tests - 3 ODIs - 1T20I - Good
    To South Africa - 3 Tests - 5ODIs - 3 T20I - Excellent

    2019
    Host Australia - 3 Tests - Excellent
    To Bangladesh 3 ODIs - 3 T20Is - Crap
    To Australia - 3 Tests - Excellent
    To New Zealand 3 Tests - 5 ODIs 1 T20 - Good

    9 Crap Series in next 8 years that includes tours to Bangladesh and zimbabwe.

    13 Excellent Series in next 8 years that includes 6 series with Australia, 3 with South Africa, 3 with England and 1 with India

    8 out of the Rest are pretty competitive i.e 4 with Sri Lanka, 4 with New Zealand

    3 series with WI which is okay

    2016 is the best year it seems with big tours to England, Australia Sri Lanka and Windies. 2012, 2013, 2018 looks promising too! .

    2017 is not the year to look forward to


    Not a bad FTP I'd say. It'd have been good if India was keen to play more against Pakistan but definitely they'd wait to see how their test team looks like before committing for 2012 onwards.
    Last edited by WithLoveFromCanada; 30th June 2011 at 13:31.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    Not a bad FTP I'd say. It'd have been good if India was keen to play more against Pakistan but definitely they'd wait to see how their test team looks like before committing for 2012 onwards.
    This is the reason why your team is in rapid decline mode. Dont underestimate the opponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahamedirshad123 View Post
    This is the reason why your team is in rapid decline mode. Dont underestimate the opponents.
    lol..we'll see about that mate!! aaj kul boht laog buri batain kur rahain hain!!

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    I hate all these 2 test series.

    Is it really that hard to accommodate a 3rd test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    lol..we'll see about that mate!! aaj kul boht laog buri batain kur rahain hain!!
    Sorry brother, Can't get that

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    Some one has any idea what will be the format for the test play offs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eht View Post
    Some one has any idea what will be the format for the test play offs?
    Top 4 teams face off in England. On current rankings, they will be Ind, Eng, SA and SL.

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    Faizan Lakhani- any idea where we will be hosting series against Australia and south africa?

    I hope its not UAE....


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    lol @ all the countries Pakistan is 'hosting'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    here is WLFC's assessment of the FTP

    2012

    To India - 3 Test 5 ODIs - Excellent
    Host Bangladesh - 2 Test 3 ODIs - Crap
    To Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20I - Good
    Host Australia 5 ODIs - 1T20 - Excellent

    2013

    To Zimbabwe - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Crap
    To South Africa - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Excellent
    To West Indies - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - OK
    Host South Africa - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - 3 T20Is - Excellent
    Host Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 5T20Is - Good


    2014
    To Bangladesh - Tri Series - Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka - OK
    Host Australia - 3 Tests - Excellent
    Host New Zealand = 3 Tests - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I - Good
    Host Zimbabwe - 2 Tests - 2 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Crap

    2015
    To Banglades - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I - Crap
    To Zimbabwe - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1 T20I - Crap
    Host England - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent
    To New Zealand - 3 Test - 5 ODIs 1 T20I - Good

    2016
    To Sri Lanka - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Good
    To England - 4 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent
    Host West Indies - 2 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20Is - OK
    To Australia - 3 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent

    2017
    Host Bangladesh - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 1T20I - Crap
    To West Indies - 2 Test - 3 ODIs - 2T20Is - OK
    Host Sri Lanka - 3 Test - 5 ODIs - 2T20Is - Good

    2018
    To Zimbabwe - 3 Tests - 2 ODIs - 1T20I - Crap
    To England - 2 Tests - 5 ODIs - 1T20I - Excellent
    To Zimbabwe - 3 ODIs - 2 T20Is - Crap
    Host Australia - 5 ODIs - 1 T20I - Excellent
    Host New Zealand 3 Tests - 3 ODIs - 1T20I - Good
    To South Africa - 3 Tests - 5ODIs - 3 T20I - Excellent

    2019
    Host Australia - 3 Tests - Excellent
    To Bangladesh 3 ODIs - 3 T20Is - Crap
    To Australia - 3 Tests - Excellent
    To New Zealand 3 Tests - 5 ODIs 1 T20 - Good

    9 Crap Series in next 8 years that includes tours to Bangladesh and zimbabwe.

    13 Excellent Series in next 8 years that includes 6 series with Australia, 3 with South Africa, 3 with England and 1 with India

    8 out of the Rest are pretty competitive i.e 4 with Sri Lanka, 4 with New Zealand

    3 series with WI which is okay

    2016 is the best year it seems with big tours to England, Australia Sri Lanka and Windies. 2012, 2013, 2018 looks promising too! .

    2017 is not the year to look forward to


    Not a bad FTP I'd say. It'd have been good if India was keen to play more against Pakistan but definitely they'd wait to see how their test team looks like before committing for 2012 onwards.


    What you have termed " excellent" , could be " crap" for other countries, since we are new minnow in international cricket.


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    Wow thats some crap tours lined up for us. Why are we playing Zim and Bang so many times.

    2016 is the year to look out for. Rest all years just 1 exciting series with either SA or Aus.

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    In Total:

    77 Tests

    127 ODIs

    46 T20Is

    Still missing some series there.


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    We are playing Bangladesh every year

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    Quote Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada View Post
    Faizan Lakhani- any idea where we will be hosting series against Australia and south africa?

    I hope its not UAE....
    Most probably UAE !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faizan Lakhani View Post
    Most probably UAE !!!
    at least its not mentioned in FTP yet...right?

    I'd love to have aussies play against us in england again...that would be fun!


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    Another thing to notice is that we're playing 4 tests against England in 2016 but then 2 test in 2018. Whats the logic there?


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    The Pakistan FTP looks more and more like the left-overs of the Eng/Aus/India/SA schedule

    Why not have a 2-tier test league with a structure to allow relegation/promotion?
    This will instantly bring the rankings/ratings systems into relevance and give the 2-test 'series ' some meaning

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    Another thing to notice is that we're playing 4 tests against England in 2016 but then 2 test in 2018. Whats the logic there?

    because england will host india for a5 match test in that time

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    We same to be playing against Zimbos alot, we should be boosting our averages up then

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    2011 is gone. We played very well :

    Looking forward in 2012 to play against England, India, Sri Lanka and zimbabwe and crap team of Bangladesh.


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    why the future tour program doesnt show Australia ODI series in 2012?????

    Thats why AZ and I were not aware about the Australian ODI series!


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    Simple Economics.

    Supply and Demand.


    People want to watch those 2 teams the most, and its no suprise really. Given India's population, and Australia's reputation.

    Its like Brazil, no matter what the team, the name of Australia will always draw crouds and tv viewers. The greatest cricketing nation.


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    There is a LOI's series vs Australia in August/Septembr as well, insha Allah.


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    I think PCB needs to do something here. If Pakistan are not playing India , they should find a alternative. Pakistan need to play at least 10 - 12 Test matches a year.

    They should make the 2 test series into 3 ...... its a must.


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    so we have no test cricket between May 2012 and dec 2012?? the PCB should do something to rectify this! we then play south africa in jan..thats asking for trouble!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcrazy View Post
    I think PCB needs to do something here. If Pakistan are not playing India , they should find a alternative. Pakistan need to play at least 10 - 12 Test matches a year.

    They should make the 2 test series into 3 ...... its a must.
    Pakistan should play tests with australia instead of ODIs. 2 tests will be a good start.


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    2011 Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh
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    Why are we playing minnows + Sri Lanka again instead of SA, Aus, Ind?! We've shown by the performance against England that we are more than competitive against the best.

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    May England (a) 2 tests [India play a 5 test series that summer]



    ECB were smart.... they could see which team could be beaten easily!

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    lol ^

    this future tour program is absolute bolox, im sick of us having to play minnows like bangladesh, zimbabwe and india

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    Quote Originally Posted by JibranAnsari View Post
    Pakistan should play tests with australia instead of ODIs. 2 tests will be a good start.
    Australia played its required tests against Pakistan in 2010 in England, they won't be playing anymore until they are required in 2014.

    Simple economics, pakistan have little sway or power so nobody is going to change their schedule to suit Pakistan, CA are probably planning on resting key senior players for that tour which they couldn't do for tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trogger View Post
    Australia played its required tests against Pakistan in 2010 in England, they won't be playing anymore until they are required in 2014.

    Simple economics, pakistan have little sway or power so nobody is going to change their schedule to suit Pakistan, CA are probably planning on resting key senior players for that tour which they couldn't do for tests.
    There is no harm in putting forward your case , we played only two home tests (played on netral grounds though). It is all about just trying and if they do not want then we can revert back to odis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    so we have no test cricket between May 2012 and dec 2012?? the PCB should do something to rectify this! we then play south africa in jan..thats asking for trouble!!
    India does the same in 2013.i.e. no tests from april 2013 to dec 2013.you will still play srilanka and zimbabwe through this year.

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    PCB needs to take action , and organize some Test , maybe against NZ.


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    Any news on whether we r going to tour India in March... or not??

    Has anything been confirmed??

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    It really is disgraceful that we'll only end up playing 8 tests for the whole year, And those against teams we've already beaten last year.

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    So as per the FTP, we only play 2 Tests in July after the SA series. Thats another 4 months break since we already had a long break in 2012 where we didn't play a test for more than 6 months. Thats ridiculous scheduling! And I must say that the IPL and Champions League are hurting International Cricket (esp Test series) badly as you have to take out almost 3 months (Apr, May, Oct) every year from the schedule of the Test teams so that their players can take part in these lucrative micky mouse leagues! Its a big loss for genuine Test cricket fans!

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    Our next challenging AWAY Test Series is in July 2016 when we play 4 Test series against England in England. I don't count the away series against WI/NZ as challenging plus home series although very competitive and interesting against top sides is still not as challenging and tough as away series with the same top sides. So the last away series that we played against a top team was in 2010 against England, right now we are playing against SA (in Feb 2013) and our next such assignment is in 2016 July. So basically, just 3 away test against a quality Test sides in 6 years for Pakistan???? And then our players and fans complain that we don't play well away due to lack of test cricket (Esp in away conditions). How on earth will we improve if we are playing away tests against top teams with such a low frequency. Who designed this FTP??? What were they thinking???

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    How will our batsmen learn to play on the bouncy wickets of Aus, seaming tracks of England and difficult conditions of SA when we play 3 tests in 6 years in one of those countries???? Ridiculoius planning whoever designed this FTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi Malang View Post
    Who designed this FTP???

    What were they thinking???
    The teams with the money designed the FTP...what were they thinking? well they were thinking about playing teams that will make them even more money.

    It's just the way the world works, the guys at the top make the rules and take the largest slice the rest have to take the crumbs.

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    I still believe with the right sort of people in charge we can re-develop our relationship with the ECB and the CA. We really need to sit down with our friends in both country's and say "look we are a good side and we want to play you more often , we are a better test side than India or lanka(debateable) so lets formalise an agreement."

    Now this does rely on the security situation getting better but I'm confident it will but I have a contingency.

    So lets see the PCB should start supporting the aforementioned boards at the ICC fully and start a skills partnership with them. W etrain some of your spinners here in pakistan (easier to provide for security for a handful a year) and you help us with our batsman. start regular development exchanges, then ask for regular series with the two nations. Sooner or later with the decline of test cricket in INDIA and trust me it willd ecline as they just arent producing good test cricketrs anymore, the aforementioned nations will need to keep test cricket competitive.

    we can fill that niche!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    I still believe with the right sort of people in charge we can re-develop our relationship with the ECB and the CA. We really need to sit down with our friends in both country's and say "look we are a good side and we want to play you more often , we are a better test side than India or lanka(debateable) so lets formalise an agreement."

    Reality is boards like CA have made their deals with india for financial reasons first and foremost, it doesn't really matter how good india are in tests right now or in the future CA need a close relationship with india.

    I think things will actually get worse as 20/20 becomes a bigger priority for CA, boards like CA will organize less and less test series as the years go on and the ones they do host will be marquee series like the ashes.

    The smaller profile series with teams like pakstan/sri lanka/nz/west indies will probably actually decrease in the next 10-15 years.

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    isn't the world test championship gonna occur in 2017

    from then on there will be a league table played over 4yrs for the next championship in 2021 (the top four teams proceeding to the knock out stage)


    what will be interesting is with the test championship can county like zimbabwe continue to be boycotted by some teams

    and can india continue to boycott pakistan in test matches.

    because the only way the league table will be fair is each of the 10 test teams play = equal number of games against each other both home and away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    isn't the world test championship gonna occur in 2017

    from then on there will be a league table played over 4yrs for the next championship in 2021 (the top four teams proceeding to the knock out stage)


    what will be interesting is with the test championship can county like zimbabwe continue to be boycotted by some teams

    and can india continue to boycott pakistan in test matches.

    because the only way the league table will be fair is each of the 10 test teams play = equal number of games against each other both home and away.
    It is never going to happen. A 5 test series between Aus-Eng is never equal to a 5 test series between NZ-ZIM, or some other countries, in a marketable sense.

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    I don't think any of it will happen, the powerful teams aren't going to hand any power back to the ICC, a test championship has too many variables they can't control and there are no guarantees the big teams even make it in.

    It will keep getting pushed back until it just disappears.

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    Some serious phainty might be dished out to us in 2016.


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    Pathetic FTP. #4 team in the world playing so many 2 tests against #1,2,3,6,7 sides.
    Who makes all these?

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    The tough thing is, no other board likes dealing with the PCB so Pakistan will always have difficulty scheduling extra series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Aussie View Post
    The tough thing is, no other board likes dealing with the PCB so Pakistan will always have difficulty scheduling extra series.
    That's the thing, and I really really hope and pray this changes in the years to come. Pakistani team has to play atleast 12-15 tests a year to become a #1 side. More exposure is necessary. Lets hope for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedzee View Post
    That's the thing, and I really really hope and pray this changes in the years to come. Pakistani team has to play atleast 12-15 tests a year to become a #1 side. More exposure is necessary. Lets hope for a change.
    Things seem to be much better with Zaka, but things take time.

    The other thing is there are three powerful boards in play (SA and Pakistan seem to have a decent relationship):

    ECB - After the last tour relations are not good
    BCCI - Well
    CA - Relations are good but its hard to sell Pakistan to CA when they never win games out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Aussie View Post
    Things seem to be much better with Zaka, but things take time.

    The other thing is there are three powerful boards in play (SA and Pakistan seem to have a decent relationship):

    ECB - After the last tour relations are not good
    BCCI - Well
    CA - Relations are good but its hard to sell Pakistan to CA when they never win games out here.
    Our last tour to Aus was disastrous to say the least. We lost all 9 games (3 Tests, 5 Odis and 1 T20). Had we won the Sydney TEst and a few Limited overs game , it would have made a difference atleast from our reputation point of view for Oz fans. Anyways, I believe our team has developed since then (esp in Tests) and we will give the Ozs a good run for their money when we play them next in Tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi Malang View Post
    I believe our team has developed since then (esp in Tests) and we will give the Ozs a good run for their money when we play them next in Tests.
    In Aus?

    Honestly i haven't seen anything to think Pakistan would compete, not unless we turn the pitches into turners.

    3 pitches with pace and bounce and Pakistan are no hope, Pakistan are very tough to beat in uae but they just aren't up to it in places like SA/AUS even when they got the perfect pitch for their skills in cape town they couldn't get it done.

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    No tests between dec 2013 and oct 2014! Only an incompetent PCB would accept such a program, fewer tests then even SL and NZ. Disgraceful and shame on PCB!

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    Don't like this FTP?

    Create your own here! http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=172621

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    Quote Originally Posted by trogger View Post
    In Aus?

    Honestly i haven't seen anything to think Pakistan would compete, not unless we turn the pitches into turners.

    3 pitches with pace and bounce and Pakistan are no hope, Pakistan are very tough to beat in uae but they just aren't up to it in places like SA/AUS even when they got the perfect pitch for their skills in cape town they couldn't get it done.
    Australia is not invincible anymore. They are very much beatable. The last series played between Pakistan and Australia was in England, in conditions which suited more to Aus than Pak, and the result was 1-1...I don't think its gonna be that easy for this current Australia team to beat Pakistan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sufi Malang View Post
    Australia is not invincible anymore. They are very much beatable. The last series played between Pakistan and Australia was in England, in conditions which suited more to Aus than Pak, and the result was 1-1...I don't think its gonna be that easy for this current Australia team to beat Pakistan!

    Teams that have good quicks and can play good quicks are winning in Australia right now, Pakistan aren't in that category.

    You can say Pakistan would do well in Australia right now, it's not based on current form or history though it's based simply on what you want to be true.

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    This FTP is really idiotic PCB should take this in ICC meeting and make some changes why the hell are we touring ZImbabwe n Bangladesh every 18 months............playing them is no benefit specially in the context of ICC test Championship playoff.......

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    We need more tests against top sides instead of BD and Zimbabwe and need to make 2 test series into 3 tests

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    Can someone explain how the qualification system for ICC test championship is fair??

    If Pakistan are playing less than 80 tests in the qualification period and teams like India and Aus are playing more than 100 tests, how would it be fair, all teams should play equal no. of matches in qualification period...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    Can someone explain how the qualification system for ICC test championship is fair??

    If Pakistan are playing less than 80 tests in the qualification period and teams like India and Aus are playing more than 100 tests, how would it be fair, all teams should play equal no. of matches in qualification period...
    Its already designed to ensure Eng INd Aus are there in top 4 the last spot will taken by Saffers who infact are no.1 also Pakistan is playing almost 40%of their test games in this period (till 2017) with Zimbabwe n Bangla that means even winning against them gives you no points or very little points in rankings....:sigh

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    Just wanted to bump this thread as I noticed something in the FTP for 2014.

    After the 2014 ICC World T20 in Bangladesh, which ends in April. Pakistan have absolutely no international cricket fixtures until October. May, June, July, and August all empty for Pakistan. And September the window for the CLT20, so no cricket for Pakistan for ~ 5 months.

    PCB should definitely look to fill that empty slot, or else the consequences of playing less cricket (especially Tests) reflects in our rankings and the rustiness of our players/team. South Africa have a similar big empty slot during that period, so why not a series against them in summer 2014?

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    ^^T20 world cup beings on 1st wk of April, that means IPL will run sometime between 3rd/4th wk of April to 1st wk of June, and then Saffers have a series with Zim in July.

    Unless CSA tries to retaliate for the ongoing shenanigans by BCCI, there is no real window for CSA to organize this tour. And I think the possibility of that happening is very less because CSA makes profit only when Ind, Aus and Eng visit, all other series result in net loss for CSA - guess they have to s**k it up for now at least and continue to negotiate with BCCI, but secretly hope for fall down of current BCCI mgmt.
    Last edited by jaguarjack; 14th October 2013 at 01:38.

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    Why not PAkistan n SL starts playing 5 match test series from now on as both are good sides and victories against each other will give them some valuable points for Test Champ'

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