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    I agree with the OP .... He does give starts n slowly builds into a hundred alongside a de villiars ...but its de villiars who looks more stylish n appealing in the strokes ...
    Wen have v ever seen amla play the kind of innings were the opposition was only worried of him in a tuff stage ...
    See for example Kohli , wen going gets tough ,the tough got going ..133*(98bs) , 183(140),etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    He's not actually in the best of form, so hardly a choke... I don't think you guys know what choke actually means, SA weren't favorites for this trophy...
    You seem to be protecting him a lot, def not as a fan... What's the deal here..?


    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    ^ Our pathetic trundlers can easily ...

    Where is that silly confidence coming from ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Its funny how he gets hit with bad form as soon as an ICC event approaches and it certainly is a big choke when a batsman with a 50+ average and a 90+ SR keeps failing on big occasions.
    Virat Kohli 37.50
    What a choker... He had a medicore average in the 2011 world cup as well didn't he score 140 against SL in the warm up as well? Gah he's a rubbish batsmen now because he failed in two tournaments, he should get moved to below Farhat, Malik and Karman in the ICC rankings... pathetic excuse for a batsmen..


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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceshot View Post
    You seem to be protecting him a lot, def not as a fan... What's the deal here..?
    Class is class, you don't see Indians banging on about Kohlis performances in the world cup.. The OP called Amla a choker despite scoring 2 90s in knock out games...


    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    Virat Kohli 37.50
    What a choker... He had a medicore average in the 2011 world cup as well didn't he score 140 against SL in the warm up as well? Gah he's a rubbish batsmen now because he failed in two tournaments, he should get moved to below Farhat, Malik and Karman in the ICC rankings... pathetic excuse for a batsmen..

    Virat Kohli is a youngster who is yet to his peak and fulfill his potential so the jury isn't out on him yet.

    Amla is at the peak of his career and if he isn't going to deliver now, when will he?

    If Kohli keeps underperforming when he is 30 years old then yes he doesn't have the right to be considered an ODI great either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Virat Kohli is a youngster who is yet to his peak and fulfill his potential so the jury isn't out on him yet.

    Amla is at the peak of his career and if he isn't going to deliver now, when will he?

    If Kohli keeps underperforming when he is 30 years old then yes he doesn't have the right to be considered an ODI great either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    I think i also saw your post saying pakistani batsman dont get trundlers to hit and hence do not have confidence.. with a colon + ( smiley

    btw Arent you a pakistani staying in kiwi land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
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    Read the opening post again.

    Amla averaged 30 odd excluding the hundred against Netherlands. How do performances against associates count?

    When have I labeled de Villiers a choker? He isn't. He's a great player but he is a coward and a chicken.

    Seriously you are sounding desperate now.

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    Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

    And he had a 50 against Bangladesh as well which shows he fared pretty poorly against quality teams.

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    The very chicken that knocked Pakistan out on a pressure match.

    You cant just blame amla alone, being a SAffer means you are expected to fail in crunch matches unless and until you are wearing the Englis jersey

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    The Amla bandwagon is pretty quiet today

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    He is a fantastic player and the best ODI batsman by distance currently. Some people are hungry for attention, that's why these kind of threads are made as they know Amla is quite popular here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungfu90 View Post
    He is a fantastic player and the best ODI batsman by distance currently. Some people are hungry for attention, that's why these kind of threads are made as they know Amla is quite popular here.

    Instead of getting personal, why don't you refute the points I made?

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    Don't worry about my "daftness" buddy - but do be prepared to eat your words when the Lankans annihilate your overrated team tomorrow.
    overrated? dude. this team has only 3 players of that WC winning team. tendu,sehwag,GG,UV,Zaheer,Nehra,Munaf all are out. We indian fans are happy in the fat that it reached the semis with all the inexperience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    Virat Kohli 37.50
    What a choker... He had a medicore average in the 2011 world cup as well didn't he score 140 against SL in the warm up as well? Gah he's a rubbish batsmen now because he failed in two tournaments, he should get moved to below Farhat, Malik and Karman in the ICC rankings... pathetic excuse for a batsmen..
    2 matches remaining my friend....

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    He's clearly a top quality batsman, and it took the team that has been the best with the new ball in this tournament to take him out.

    Respect to Amla, and respect to England.

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    Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

    Quote Originally Posted by cars112 View Post
    What do you find sarcastic exactly? Some players transcend mere runs and wickets. Hashim is one of them. The very fact that he chooses not to wear a beer logo despite it being the corporate sponsor of SA team demonstrates his character.

    If you can't see all that and only notice the odd failure on the pitch then I have nothing to say.
    Why are you mixing religion with sports.
    I admire Amla the person but not Amla the cricketer. Understand?

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    Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    He's clearly a top quality batsman, and it took the team that has been the best with the new ball in this tournament to take him out.

    Respect to Amla, and respect to England.
    India and West Indies took him out as well.

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    Amla is at his reliable best when he is scoring at Trottesque strike rate of 75. He does look a bit shaky when attempting shots that aren't natural to him. It is best for SA and Amla, if he is given the sheet anchor role in ODIs .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cars112 View Post
    Don't worry about my "daftness" buddy - but do be prepared to eat your words when the Lankans annihilate your overrated team tomorrow.
    Wait, weren't you sure Pak would defend the score against India easily in the last game? How can India be over-rated when most people were putting Pakistan ahead of us and didn't give us a chance even to reach semis?


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    So its Hashim Amla again. Only one guy could write this post. No pionts for guessing who

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunther View Post
    Amla is at his reliable best when he is scoring at Trottesque strike rate of 75. He does look a bit shaky when attempting shots that aren't natural to him. It is best for SA and Amla, if he is given the sheet anchor role in ODIs .
    Amla naturally scores at a SR of 85-95. Any higher and he starts living on the edge and any lower and you feel as if he'll get out any second. This was proven when he was striking at a SR of 50 odd in one of the ODIs against Pakistan and got out after scoring 20.

    Quote Originally Posted by anakin View Post
    there are so many other players doing a lot charity work too. Which hardly gets noticed.
    Just because of his religious views aligns with yours, you are giving him a "sainthood"

    thats a very prejudicial viewpoint!!
    You mean how most Hindus have turned Sachin into a god? By the way, I am in no way bashing any group of people, I don't see a problem with admiring your favorite athletes on the basis of religion or nationality.

    @This thread- What I don't get is why Amla is the only one being targeted? He has the third highest average in the South African side and played a match-winning innings in the only match that the Saffers won. Why isn't ABD being labelled as a "potential choker" going by the results of this Champions Trophy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    Virat Kohli 37.50
    What a choker... He had a medicore average in the 2011 world cup as well didn't he score 140 against SL in the warm up as well? Gah he's a rubbish batsmen now because he failed in two tournaments, he should get moved to below Farhat, Malik and Karman in the ICC rankings... pathetic excuse for a batsmen..
    And if we take out his hundred against Bangladesh, then he averaged 22.75


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    Top order did the bulk of the scoring in WC2011.....

    I think its after 2011 wc we have seen best of virat.....

    Amla is a good batsman......good human..but we cant consider him as great yet......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    To be fair I too find him incredibly lacking in charisma and personality and he is probably the only player in the game who can make a triple hundred look boring.

    Clarke's triple hundred was much more exciting even though it was against trundlers.
    Don't forget Cook ..

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    If you wish to discussion religion go to time pass. Cricket discussion only.


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    "JAMODIs" as the Saffers like to call it are coming up next month. Thought they were around August-September.

    Good news this, time to score some hundreds and bat like Bradman again since the ICC tourneys are done and make people fall into the illusion again that you are the best ODI batsman in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    "JAMODIs" as the Saffers like to call it are coming up next month. Thought they were around August-September.

    Good news this, time to score some hundreds and bat like Bradman again since the ICC tourneys are done and make people fall into the illusion again that you are the best ODI batsman in the world
    Illusion? If you're batting like Bradman for 80% of your games then you're one of the best in my book.

    What makes this particular criticism weird is how you don't rate Steyn because he doesn't perform in JAMODIs even though he has been a beast at ICC tourneys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    "JAMODIs" as the Saffers like to call it are coming up next month. Thought they were around August-September.

    Good news this, time to score some hundreds and bat like Bradman again since the ICC tourneys are done and make people fall into the illusion again that you are the best ODI batsman in the world
    It is too early to write off Amla as a choker. I know the whole Saffer team has this choking gene, but individuals in the team may have better choke resistance.

    On cricinfo I recently saw Akash Chopra distinguishing between choke and panic, and it does seem to make sense. I think the Saffers fit the category of "panickers" rather than chokers. The English team also appears to be in panic mode. Pakistan and Srilankan teams on the other hand, seem to choke rather than panic, going by Akash Chopra's article.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Illusion? If you're batting like Bradman for 80% of your games then you're one of the best in my book.

    What makes this particular criticism weird is how you don't rate Steyn because he doesn't perform in JAMODIs even though he has been a beast at ICC tourneys.
    thats because it does not suit his agenda. What can you do with double standards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    What makes this particular criticism weird is how you don't rate Steyn because he doesn't perform in JAMODIs even though he has been a beast at ICC tourneys.
    You'll never get an answer to that, I've been pushing him for a while. Answering it might interfere with his trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Illusion? If you're batting like Bradman for 80% of your games then you're one of the best in my book.

    What makes this particular criticism weird is how you don't rate Steyn because he doesn't perform in JAMODIs even though he has been a beast at ICC tourneys.
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    thats because it does not suit his agenda. What can you do with double standards
    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    You'll never get an answer to that, I've been pushing him for a while. Answering it might interfere with his trolling.

    Amla and Steyn epitomize.

    You cannot be considered a great in ODIs when:

    A) You perform only in bilaterals

    B) You perform in ICC events only

    You need to find a middle ground.

    Amla needs to pick up his performances in ICC events if he is to be considered an elite player in the format and on the other hand, Steyn needs to pick up a bit in bilaterals as well.

    Going AWOL between ICC events doesn't help his case at all.

    In any case, Amla is much closer to achieving greatness i.e if he delivers in Australia in 2015.

    But if Steyn continues to be ordinary in ODIs till that World Cup and helps South Africa win there, he will still be an underachiever in ODIs.

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    Ok, so that's your new cover story

    Next up on your troll brigade: "Malcolm Marshall isn't the best bowler ever because he doesn't have an ODI 5-fer and averages pretty much the same as Steyn."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Amla and Steyn epitomize.

    You cannot be considered a great in ODIs when:

    A) You perform only in bilaterals

    B) You perform in ICC events only

    You need to find a middle ground.

    Amla needs to pick up his performances in ICC events if he is to be considered an elite player in the format and on the other hand, Steyn needs to pick up a bit in bilaterals as well.

    Going AWOL between ICC events doesn't help his case at all.

    In any case, Amla is much closer to achieving greatness i.e if he delivers in Australia in 2015.

    But if Steyn continues to be ordinary in ODIs till that World Cup and helps South Africa win there, he will still be an underachiever in ODIs.
    So says the cricket expert, Mamoon. Amla has done well enough in ICC events considering how he's in a team that are historic under-achievers in LOI tourneys. I can't say much for Steyn at the moment but would pick him over many other bowlers with better averages on the grandest stages of the LOI formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    thats because it does not suit his agenda. What can you do with double standards
    Indian batsmen have set a benchmark, For someone to be rated highly as a batsman by Indian fans the batsman has to pass that hurdle. So as a Indian we are easily awed by the fast bowlers like Steyn but can not find anything extraordinary in batsmen like Trott or Amala. They are good , and that is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Amla and Steyn epitomize.

    You cannot be considered a great in ODIs when:

    A) You perform only in bilaterals

    B) You perform in ICC events only

    You need to find a middle ground.

    Amla needs to pick up his performances in ICC events if he is to be considered an elite player in the format and on the other hand, Steyn needs to pick up a bit in bilaterals as well.

    Going AWOL between ICC events doesn't help his case at all.

    In any case, Amla is much closer to achieving greatness i.e if he delivers in Australia in 2015.

    But if Steyn continues to be ordinary in ODIs till that World Cup and helps South Africa win there, he will still be an underachiever in ODIs.
    i'm hearing a bunch of excuses.

    For your info your "gun" player has been pretty poor himself in ICC events.

    In 07 WC he could only manage 0, 27, 0 only for India to exit in the group stages.

    In India as well was pretty poor, averaged 18 against the top sides (that included SA, Engl, Pak, Aus).
    In the quarter finals vs Australia he managed 7 and let others to do the job chasing 260+. Again in the semis vs Pakistan managed 27. Yuvi and SRT carried India not Dhoni. In the final he promoted himself up the order coz he knew Yuvi was in good form anyway and had nothing to lose.

    Now if you tell me one innings defines a player or that was the most important knock he could ever play and all that crap then i will want consistency from you.

    Here is an example in Test cricket the pinnacle is winning in SA and Australia as only 2 and 3 teams respectively have won a series in these countries. Now JP helped SA win a series in Australia, we were 7 down (trailling too) and he shared a 100+ stand with a tail ender and score 160+. That eventualy led to SA winning a series in that country. Amla, the series is level and on the balance both teams dismissed under 200. He comes in scores a hundred in almost a session scoring at 7+ to the over. That led SA to a 2nd series win in that country.
    Whats my point?
    Well SRT played with a gun Team, Sehwag, Gambir, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman etc. And never won a series in SA or Australia. JP and Amla are better than him as per your criteria right?

    Coz i could argue that he has scored some easy runs in his career or in those countries. E.g. SA or Australia bat 1st and put 350+ on the board. India gets dismissed for a paltry 200 or less on the very same surface. SA or Aus bat again with a lead of 150+, and score 300 or so. Set India 450+ target. India lose a couple of early wickets. In comes SRT bats at snail pace scores a meaningless 150 to boost his average in a losing cause. So he has not achieved much in Tests right and can not be considered a great?
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    Re: Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Indian batsmen have set a benchmark, For someone to be rated highly as a batsman by Indian fans the batsman has to pass that hurdle. So as a Indian we are easily awed by the fast bowlers like Steyn but can not find anything extraordinary in batsmen like Trott or Amala. They are good , and that is it.
    A test match triple hundred in England is beyond good. Its a shame that people on the subcontinent rate performances in an ODI tournament higher, where ODI rules change every year.

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    both are trott and amla are quality players. Averaging 50 in the 2 crucial formats of the game is enough to judge how good a player is.

    The reason why many dont rate these 2 is because these guy are not regulars in their respective T20 sides. Its funny how players who play in T20s and ODIs only are considered "All Time Greats" while those who have excelled in "Tests and ODIs" have minimal respect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Indian batsmen have set a benchmark, For someone to be rated highly as a batsman by Indian fans the batsman has to pass that hurdle. So as a Indian we are easily awed by the fast bowlers like Steyn but can not find anything extraordinary in batsmen like Trott or Amala. They are good , and that is it.
    dont compare Trott and Amla, the former is one dimensional the latter has the diversity to change the game on its head.

    Amla can score a hundred in 250+ balls, Trott too. However Amla can score a hundred at 70+, Trott can only dream of doing that.

    Amla also beats Trott in the patience game too, once scored a hundred in over 400 balls to try and save a test match. Trott could never last that long with all his concentration levels. He is not fit to lace Amla's boots in my opinion, unless you follow cricket through stats only
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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    both are trott and amla are quality players. Averaging 50 in the 2 crucial formats of the game is enough to judge how good a player is.

    The reason why many dont rate these 2 is because these guy are not regulars in their respective T20 sides. Its funny how players who play in T20s and ODIs only are considered "All Time Greats" while those who have excelled in "Tests and ODIs" have minimal respect?


    LOL what?

    Who gave you this cute idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    A test match triple hundred in England is beyond good. Its a shame that people on the subcontinent rate performances in an ODI tournament higher, where ODI rules change every year.
    It isn't beyond good; Its brilliant.

    But who is talking about his test exploits? This thread is STRICTLY about his performances in ICC events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    A test match triple hundred in England is beyond good. Its a shame that people on the subcontinent rate performances in an ODI tournament higher, where ODI rules change every year.
    Their have been so many players who have scored a triple century in England. Infact to score tipple century anywhere you need to be quality.

    But i remember Ajmal toying him in that recently concluded home test series in that one game. Now everyone gets out, But the manner he was pawned put doubt in my mind if he is really that good.

    We love our ODIs and will continue to watch performance of batsmen in this format, their is nothing that can be done about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    i'm hearing a bunch of excuses.

    For your info your "gun" player has been pretty poor himself in ICC events.

    In 07 WC he could only manage 0, 27, 0 only for India to exit in the group stages.

    In India as well was pretty poor, averaged 18 against the top sides (that included SA, Engl, Pak, Aus).
    In the quarter finals vs Australia he managed 7 and let others to do the job chasing 260+. Again in the semis vs Pakistan managed 27. Yuvi and SRT carried India not Dhoni. In the final he promoted himself up the order coz he knew Yuvi was in good form anyway and had nothing to lose.

    Now if you tell me one innings defines a player or that was the most important knock he could ever play and all that crap then i will want consistency from you.

    Here is an example in Test cricket the pinnacle is winning in SA and Australia as only 2 and 3 teams respectively have won a series in these countries. Now JP helped SA win a series in Australia, we were 7 down (trailling too) and he shared a 100+ stand with a tail ender and score 160+. That eventualy led to SA winning a series in that country. Amla, the series is level and on the balance both teams dismissed under 200. He comes in scores a hundred in almost a session scoring at 7+ to the over. That led SA to a 2nd series win in that country.
    Whats my point?
    Well SRT played with a gun Team, Sehwag, Gambir, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman etc. And never won a series in SA or Australia. JP and Amla are better than him as per your criteria right?

    Coz i could argue that he has scored some easy runs in his career or in those countries. E.g. SA or Australia bat 1st and put 350+ on the board. India gets dismissed for a paltry 200 or less on the very same surface. SA or Aus bat again with a lead of 150+, and score 300 or so. Set India 450+ target. India lose a couple of early wickets. In comes SRT bats at snail pace scores a meaningless 150 to boost his average in a losing cause. So he has not achieved much in Tests right and can not be considered a great?

    Yes you read it right; one innings at times is enough to define a career.

    Dhoni's World Cup final performance makes everything else he achieved or didn't achieve fall flat in comparison.

    Amla's prior form in ICC events will be meaningless if he scores a match winning hundred in the 2015 WC final regardless of how his overall performance was before that match.

    I don't really regard Tendulkar a pressure player in tests; he's purely a statistic like Amla is in ODIs.

    Dravid and Laxman have played more vital test knocks than Tendulkar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    both are trott and amla are quality players. Averaging 50 in the 2 crucial formats of the game is enough to judge how good a player is.

    The reason why many dont rate these 2 is because these guy are not regulars in their respective "T20 sides". Its funny how players who play in T20s and ODIs only are considered "All Time Greats" while those who have excelled in "Tests and ODIs" have minimal respect?
    you just lost all credibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Their have been so many players who have scored a triple century in England. Infact to score tipple century anywhere you need to be quality.

    But i remember Ajmal toying him in that recently concluded home test series in that one game. Now everyone gets out, But the manner he was pawned put doubt in my mind if he is really that good.

    We love our ODIs and will continue to watch performance of batsmen in this format, their is nothing that can be done about it.
    Ajmal needed a mine field to be able to "pawn" anyone. He was pretty useless in the other two matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Yes you read it right; one innings at times is enough to define a career.

    Dhoni's World Cup final performance makes everything else he achieved or didn't achieve fall flat in comparison.

    Amla's prior form in ICC events will be meaningless if he scores a match winning hundred in the 2015 WC final regardless of how his overall performance was before that match.

    I don't really regard Tendulkar a pressure player in tests; he's purely a statistic like Amla is in ODIs.

    Dravid and Laxman have played more vital test knocks than Tendulkar.
    and yet both have never led their country to victory in Australia or South Africa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    Ajmal needed a mine field to be able to "pawn" anyone. He was pretty useless in the other two matches.
    Well, I never watched Amala seriously in odis, But I was watching him this CT, He was getting at least one or two too many chances before getting out. Now that is where i make a distinction. Whatever I watched Amala hasnt impressed me much. May be my bad luck.

    I will continue to watch him on turning, bouncy and swinging conditions And apart from Indians batsmen their are very few I would be watching which in itself says I am waiting for a special from him.

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    Amla played Ajmal with relative ease...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Well, I never watched Amala seriously in odis, But I was watching him this CT, He was getting at least one or two too many chances before getting out. Now that is where i make a distinction. Whatever I watched Amala hasnt impressed me much. May be my bad luck.

    I will continue to watch him on turning, bouncy and swinging conditions And apart from Indians batsmen their are very few I would be watching which in itself says I am waiting for a special from him.
    He played one of the best innings I've ever seen against Australia last year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Well, I never watched Amala seriously in odis, But I was watching him this CT, He was getting at least one or two too many chances before getting out. Now that is where i make a distinction. Whatever I watched Amala hasnt impressed me much. May be my bad luck.

    I will continue to watch him on turning, bouncy and swinging conditions And apart from Indians batsmen their are very few I would be watching which in itself says I am waiting for a special from him.
    Scored a few double hundreds in India if memory serves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Their have been so many players who have scored a triple century in England. Infact to score tipple century anywhere you need to be quality.

    But i remember Ajmal toying him in that recently concluded home test series in that one game. Now everyone gets out, But the manner he was pawned put doubt in my mind if he is really that good.

    We love our ODIs and will continue to watch performance of batsmen in this format, their is nothing that can be done about it.
    which game? Cape Town?

    For your info Amla was playing attacking cricket trying to finish the game off. If i'm not mistaken he was on 50+ scoring at a strike rate of 60+ with 20 odd runs to win with 6 wickets remaining [citation needed]

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    @KIWI As i said, I have been really unfortunate so far while watching Amala. I hope to see a flawless inning from him on a say 250+- odi ground or 300+- test ground

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post

    Well, I never watched Amala seriously in odis, But I was watching him this CT, He was getting at least one or two too many chances before getting out. Now that is where i make a distinction. Whatever I watched Amala hasnt impressed me much
    . May be my bad luck.

    I will continue to watch him on turning, bouncy and swinging conditions And apart from Indians batsmen their are very few I would be watching which in itself says I am waiting for a special from him.
    this is when i ask "how old are you?" i dont waste my time with kids or with people who have zero understanding of the game.

    My 2nd question would be do you think Test is boring? Or ODI's and T20 are better than Test ? Your answer to this particular question will tell me everything and whether you're worth my time

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    @KIWI As i said, I have been really unfortunate so far while watching Amala. I hope to see a flawless inning from him on a say 250+- odi ground or 300+- test ground
    who is Amala? Do you even like cricket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    which game? Cape Town?

    For your info Amla was playing attacking cricket trying to finish the game off. If i'm not mistaken he was on 50+ scoring at a strike rate of 60+ with 20 odd runs to win with 6 wickets remaining [citation needed]
    Yes, I watched both innings of Amala in that game. Forget about stats, I dont think that highlights can ever capture the quality of batsman and/or bowlers, Thjey are just indicative of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    who is Amala? Do you even like cricket?
    drop it man. You are behaving like a kid

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    Hey guys i'm with friends after a stressful day @work been here since 13:00 (CAT).

    Anyway they are complaining about the lack of attention i'm giving. So i'll reply later, i will keep on refreshing my mobile to browse on your latest comments but wont reply.

    And yes i'm having a couple of none innocent beverages. Forgive the spelling and all that...

    Cheers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    drop it man. You are behaving like a kid
    hahaha..

    Just made me reply, deal with you later..

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    hahaha..

    Just made me reply, deal with you later..
    You didnt had patience to wait enough. Only, After i responded to your previous one, i saw your other comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soso_killer View Post
    you just lost all credibility
    Nope I am talking about myself but the opinion of many.

    I have been a big fan of amla for some time, and I became a big fan of trott since 2010. But many didnt like these 2 players very much because they werent "stars" in the T20 format like Gayle and others. I am talking about "average" cricket fans, most of the posters on this forum know cricket quite well, enough to judge that these 2 are top class players

    I asked this cousin of mine about who is the better player in the English side, Morgan or Trott. He was like "I havent seen too much of Trott, but i have seen morgan so many times, especially in IPL-awesome player." However, this attitude is not suprising ever since T20s shooked the world. Let me give another example, you wont find too many "average" fans talking about how good chanderpaul has been in the past 15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Indian batsmen have set a benchmark, For someone to be rated highly as a batsman by Indian fans the batsman has to pass that hurdle. So as a Indian we are easily awed by the fast bowlers like Steyn but can not find anything extraordinary in batsmen like Trott or Amala. They are good , and that is it.
    No current Indian batsman can touch Amla so I don't get where you've gotten this idea of Indian batsmen being the benchmarks. As of now, the Saffers are the benchmarks in batting, fast-bowling and fielding.

    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Their have been so many players who have scored a triple century in England. Infact to score tipple century anywhere you need to be quality.

    But i remember Ajmal toying him in that recently concluded home test series in that one game. Now everyone gets out, But the manner he was pawned put doubt in my mind if he is really that good.

    We love our ODIs and will continue to watch performance of batsmen in this format, their is nothing that can be done about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    Ajmal needed a mine field to be able to "pawn" anyone. He was pretty useless in the other two matches.
    How does Ajmal's outsmarting of Amla raise questions about the latter's quality? Ajmal is the best spinner in the world and there is no shame in getting out to him. The pitch was helpful but there is only one "mine-field" in South Africa and that is Durban.

    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Well, I never watched Amala seriously in odis, But I was watching him this CT, He was getting at least one or two too many chances before getting out. Now that is where i make a distinction. Whatever I watched Amala hasnt impressed me much. May be my bad luck.

    I will continue to watch him on turning, bouncy and swinging conditions And apart from Indians batsmen their are very few I would be watching which in itself says I am waiting for a special from him.
    ODI pitches are pretty much the same everywhere but in the test arena, he has scored runs everywhere except in Sri Lanka, which is pretty weird since that country has some of the flattest roads in the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Executioner View Post
    Nope I am talking about myself but the opinion of many.

    I have been a big fan of amla for some time, and I became a big fan of trott since 2010. But many didnt like these 2 players very much because they werent "stars" in the T20 format like Gayle and others. I am talking about "average" cricket fans, most of the posters on this forum know cricket quite well, enough to judge that these 2 are top class players

    I asked this cousin of mine about who is the better player in the English side, Morgan or Trott. He was like "I havent seen too much of Trott, but i have seen morgan so many times, especially in IPL-awesome player." However, this attitude is not suprising ever since T20s shooked the world. Let me give another example, you wont find too many "average" fans talking about how good chanderpaul has been in the past 15 years.
    This is true, and its not just them but the likes of Cook, Clarke and Younis get the same treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    How does Ajmal's outsmarting of Amla raise questions about the latter's quality? Ajmal is the best spinner in the world and there is no shame in getting out to him. The pitch was helpful but there is only one "mine-field" in South Africa and that is Durban.
    Of course it says nothing about either's ability, it was an absurd response to an absurd statement. Ajmal and Amla are both quality, neither will "pawn" the other when conditions are in their favour.

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    Hashim Amla - a potential ODI choker?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jo_Don View Post
    Of course it says nothing about either's ability, it was an absurd response to an absurd statement. Ajmal and Amla are both quality, neither will "pawn" the other when conditions are in their favour.
    Well everyone pawns Amla in MODIs

    The king of JAMODIs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    No current Indian batsman can touch Amla so I don't get where you've gotten this idea of Indian batsmen being the benchmarks. As of now, the Saffers are the benchmarks in batting, fast-bowling and fielding.
    Are you really serious????
    Keep pointing the stats as per you convenience. The reason for our success as batting unit is we identify the talent. I can gauarntee you 10 years later you will see atleast more than 2 Indian batsmen from current lineup beating Amalas stats in all department.
    FYI Some of Indian batsman ones who have recently retired have stats no one ever gonna touch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    How does Ajmal's outsmarting of Amla raise questions about the latter's quality? Ajmal is the best spinner in the world and there is no shame in getting out to him. The pitch was helpful but there is only one "mine-field" in South Africa and that is Durban.
    How many wickets Ajmal took in other two tests? Check the stats. Good spinners like Swan doesnt need minefiled. They perform on all pitches. Ajmal is good on his day but most of the times he is no better than Monty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    ODI pitches are pretty much the same everywhere but in the test arena, he has scored runs everywhere except in Sri Lanka, which is pretty weird since that country has some of the flattest roads in the world.
    Since when, performance in tests are the only criteria to judge a batsman. For me tests is a arena which tests the bowlers to get a batsman out. A good batsman mostly looses wicket because of his temperament.

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    Trott isn't one-dimensional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bin_pendi_ka_lota View Post
    Are you really serious????
    Keep pointing the stats as per you convenience. The reason for our success as batting unit is we identify the talent. I can gauarntee you 10 years later you will see atleast more than 2 Indian batsmen from current lineup beating Amalas stats in all department.
    FYI Some of Indian batsman ones who have recently retired have stats no one ever gonna touch.


    How many wickets Ajmal took in other two tests? Check the stats. Good spinners like Swan doesnt need minefiled. They perform on all pitches. Ajmal is good on his day but most of the times he is no better than Monty.


    Since when, performance in tests are the only criteria to judge a batsman. For me tests is a arena which tests the bowlers to get a batsman out. A good batsman mostly looses wicket because of his temperament.
    I don't care what happens to your Kohlis and Pujaras "10 years from now" They are not as good as Amla currently which was my point, proving that India is not the benchmark for batting standards.

    Once again, there is only one mine-field in South Africa and Ajmal didn't play a game on it. Ajmal averaged 33-34 against this current batch of South African batsmen whereas Swan averaged 50 in his own backyard against the same players.

    In that last paragraph you have missed my point clearly.

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    Amla has been a disappointment and he seriously choked big time this tournament.


    Self belief and hard work will always earn you success - Kohli
    What we think we become - Buddha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    I don't care what happens to your Kohlis and Pujaras "10 years from now" They are not as good as Amla currently which was my point, proving that India is not the benchmark for batting standards.
    That is correct. Some of them are better than Amala. Only difference is they havent got stats behind them to prove it as they are new to the arena.

    Guys like Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan has to better benchmark set by Sachin, Sehwag , Dravid and Laxman and NOT AMALA

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Once again, there is only one mine-field in South Africa and Ajmal didn't play a game on it. Ajmal averaged 33-34 against this current batch of South African batsmen whereas Swan averaged 50 in his own backyard against the same players.
    Take that second match out of equation and you will find the correct average.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    In that last paragraph you have missed my point clearly.
    Nope, You have missed the OP by miles.

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    8 days to go for the King of JAMODIs to get his 12th JAMODI hundred.

    His Highness

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    Another flop for Kohli... against his favorite team as well


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    Another flop for Kohli... against his favorite team as well
    Few days after a match winning knock in the Champions Trophy final

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Few days after a match winning knock in the Champions Trophy final
    48 in a t20
    Even Watto and Warner could do that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    48 in a t20
    Even Watto and Warner could do that
    Genuine query - are the stats from that game counted under the ODI or T20 column?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Genuine query - are the stats from that game counted under the ODI or T20 column?
    ODI's but it was effectively a t20 with the reduction.
    Last edited by Aman; 12th July 2013 at 07:10.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    48 in a t20
    Even Watto and Warner could do that
    Could should would = garbage.

    It was an excellent knock under the circumstances.

    Equivalent to an 80-90 in a full game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Genuine query - are the stats from that game counted under the ODI or T20 column?
    ODIs. Wasn't a T20I.

    It was an ODI reduced to 20 overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_Ghaffar View Post
    Could should would = garbage.

    It was an excellent knock under the circumstances.

    Equivalent to an 80-90 in a full game.
    Didn't Amla make 80-90 odd in a crunch game Your logic is baffling.
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    Kohli fourty in the CT final notwithstanding, he has a pretty poor record in ODI tournament finals. Averages 25 in the 7 tournament finals he has played so far. And whats surprising is that 6 of them were against Lanka

    Whats even more surprising is that Hashim Amla is yet to play an ODI tournament final inspite of playing ODI's for 6 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrolln View Post
    Kohli fourty in the CT final notwithstanding, he has a pretty poor record in ODI tournament finals. Averages 25 in the 7 tournament finals he has played so far. And whats surprising is that 6 of them were against Lanka

    Whats even more surprising is that Hashim Amla is yet to play an ODI tournament final inspite of playing ODI's for 6 years
    Now if that's not choking I don't know what is.. Doesn't he average an excess of 80 or something ridiculous against them?

    I'm guessing those numbers have sent Sir MG running for the hills
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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    Now if that's not choking I don't know what is.. Doesn't he average an excess of 80 or something ridiculous against them?
    He averages 53 against Lanka, but i think that would come up to 80 if you excluded the finals

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