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  1. #3041
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandiasza View Post
    I honestly think it's open at this stage. Call me a fool, but I rate Pujara higher than Kohli in tests. In fact, I remember calling for him to be captain. Regardless, his peak years are +- now. Let's judge after that.
    Pujara has the best temperament in the Indian line up . So if he can sort out his issue playing pace, he has potential to be a Dravid like player for modern Team Indian. Kohli's problem is that he plays a "high intensity" form of cricket, that takes far more out of him compared to other Indian players. While it brings stunning results while he's in the zone (this whole home season) , i feel it tires him out faster than the other batsmen, which was evident in the last series.

    I'd prefer Kohli to be the "Clarke" like batsman, who will play important valuable knocks against the toughest opponents/conditions. Pujara can be the rock of the lineup.

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    Beautiful to watch when in form, few as unearthly as Amla.

    Near his career's end, particularly if ABD wants to return. Don't see that happening but it would be criminal if they kept Bavuma over him.

    Don't remember seeing an innings as effortless as His 300+ vs England. Didn't even need a change of gloves. His cover drive is as gorgeous as any. His innings in India was as good as any visiting batsman.

    50+ average or not, he has shown class almost everywhere.

  3. #3043
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Oh dear. Another gem Bilal, but this one has to take the cake.

    Tendulkar in his 20's averaged almost 60 in the 90's with 20+ tons in 60 odd Tests. On the other hand, Younis could not get established in Test cricket till 2005 where he was almost 30, because he repeatedly got found out by the likes of Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh etc. Looked like fish out of water against McGrath and Warne in the 2002 series in SL/UAE.

    Amla is a level above Younis, and Tendulkar is about two/three levels above him. And no, not all ATG players are at the same level. Some are top-tier ATGs; some are lower-tier ATGs.
    Younis Khan scored a double in England and almost another in Australia at the age of 40. Sachin was a liability to his team at that age. Age doesn't matter in international cricket, some players peak at a young age while others peak when they are older. Both are equally impressive.

    You may worship Tendulker like some of the other Indians out there but don't expect me to do the same. Tendulker is an ATG and on the same level as any other ATG out there. He may be better than Kallis, Dravid or Younis but a team would be no worse off if they had one of those guys playing as their #4 instead of Sachin. Same goes for Wasim, McGrath, Waqar, Donald, etc being on the same level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Younis Khan scored a double in England and almost another in Australia at the age of 40. Sachin was a liability to his team at that age. Age doesn't matter in international cricket, some players peak at a young age while others peak when they are older. Both are equally impressive.

    You may worship Tendulker like some of the other Indians out there but don't expect me to do the same. Tendulker is an ATG and on the same level as any other ATG out there. He may be better than Kallis, Dravid or Younis but a team would be no worse off if they had one of those guys playing as their #4 instead of Sachin. Same goes for Wasim, McGrath, Waqar, Donald, etc being on the same level.
    Tendulkar is not even in my top 10 favourite batsmen, but that won't prevent me from acknowledging his greatness, which towers over every batsman in 150 years of Test cricket barring 4-5. Yes age doesn't matter, which is why players are judged by their respective peaks. Younis is not even half the batsman Tendulkar was at his pomp. It is a crime to put the two in the same sentence, and so is comparing Kallis and Dravid with Younis.

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    I heard Amla was going off in IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    I heard Amla was going off in IPL.
    He really surprised me with that monster six

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahirFan View Post
    He really surprised me with that monster six
    Happy to Amla play in IPL. I hope he a very successful season.

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    Ironically, T20 is the format where Amla has improved on from his near-invincible 2010-2014 peak. Averages 40+ at a SR of 130+ with 10 50+ scores in 28 games in the last two years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Tendulkar is not even in my top 10 favourite batsmen, but that won't prevent me from acknowledging his greatness, which towers over every batsman in 150 years of Test cricket barring 4-5. Yes age doesn't matter, which is why players are judged by their respective peaks. Younis is not even half the batsman Tendulkar was at his pomp. It is a crime to put the two in the same sentence, and so is comparing Kallis and Dravid with Younis.
    Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Dravid, Sanga and now Younis are all ATG test batsmen and Tendulker does not "tower over them" no matter what you may say. Yes, he was scoring centuries when he was a teenager and played the game longer than anyone else but these guys were ahead in other aspects of batting, whether it's peak performance (Ponting), consistency (Kallis), fourth innings record (Younis), etc. I'm not even mentioning the batsmen who preceded Tendulker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Ironically, T20 is the format where Amla has improved on from his near-invincible 2010-2014 peak. Averages 40+ at a SR of 130+ with 10 50+ scores in 28 games in the last two years.



    Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Dravid, Sanga and now Younis are all ATG test batsmen and Tendulker does not "tower over them" no matter what you may say. Yes, he was scoring centuries when he was a teenager and played the game longer than anyone else but these guys were ahead in other aspects of batting, whether it's peak performance (Ponting), consistency (Kallis), fourth innings record (Younis), etc. I'm not even mentioning the batsmen who preceded Tendulker.
    Tendulkar and Lara are in a league of their own, followed by Ponting and Kallis, followed by Sangakkara and Dravid. Younis doesn't belong here. Nonetheless, please carry on. I have already added Younis = Tendulkar to the list of gems you have produced over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Tendulkar and Lara are in a league of their own, followed by Ponting and Kallis, followed by Sangakkara and Dravid. Younis doesn't belong here. Nonetheless, please carry on. I have already added Younis = Tendulkar to the list of gems you have produced over the years.
    I think going by your tier philosophy, it would be:
    Tier 1: Tendulkar, Lara
    Tier 2: Ponting, Kallis
    Tier 3: Sangakkara, Dravid
    Tier 4: (not ATGs) Younus, Amla, Jayawardene, Inzamam, Laxman, Clarke, Miandad, De Villiers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    I think going by your tier philosophy, it would be:
    Tier 1: Tendulkar, Lara
    Tier 2: Ponting, Kallis
    Tier 3: Sangakkara, Dravid
    Tier 4: (not ATGs) Younus, Amla, Jayawardene, Inzamam, Laxman, Clarke, Miandad, De Villiers
    Miandad surely in tier 3 and an ATG..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    I think going by your tier philosophy, it would be:
    Tier 1: Tendulkar, Lara
    Tier 2: Ponting, Kallis
    Tier 3: Sangakkara, Dravid
    Tier 4: (not ATGs) Younus, Amla, Jayawardene, Inzamam, Laxman, Clarke, Miandad, De Villiers
    Sounds reasonable, but Miandad needs to be Tier 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Sounds reasonable, but Miandad needs to be Tier 3.
    Younis is Tier 4 ???

    Are you kidding me ??????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Younis is Tier 4 ???

    Are you kidding me ??????????
    I don't consider him an ATG, so he is Tier 4 for me which is where I place greats of the country, not ATGs.

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    Likeable personality (I don't care about his religious views).
    A role model on and off the field.
    Not a talented hitter but he overcomes it with other qualities.
    The best player of swing bowling after Dravid.

    Wish him all the best!


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    I think going by your tier philosophy, it would be:
    Tier 1: Tendulkar, Lara
    Tier 2: Ponting, Kallis
    Tier 3: Sangakkara, Dravid
    Tier 4: (not ATGs) Younus, Amla, Jayawardene, Inzamam, Laxman, Clarke, Miandad, De Villiers
    Sanga, Kallis and Dravid should be linked together

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    7000+ ODI runs in only 150 innings. What a player! No longer the invulnerable run-machine that he was during his peak but the class is still there and it shows every time he smokes a boundary through the off-side or gracefully escorts it to the leg-side boundary.

    ATG.


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    Congrats to Hashim Amla on becoming the fastest to reach 2k,3k,4k,5k,6k and finally 7k today. Had he been an Indian, Aussie or English, this record would have been blown OTT. Quietly does the job and is too humble to be bragging about it. Happy for him.


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    Congrats! Great player and human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliteCynical View Post
    Congrats to Hashim Amla on becoming the fastest to reach 2k,3k,4k,5k,6k and finally 7k today. Had he been an Indian, Aussie or English, this record would have been blown OTT. Quietly does the job and is too humble to be bragging about it. Happy for him.
    I remember the hype that was around Virat Kohli breaking Viv's record for the fastest to 5000 runs. Or the frenzy that Pakpassion found itself in when Babar Azam was about to be the fastest man to 1000 ODI runs. South Africa, in general, have never overhyped their players and outside of South Africa, their players have been underrated.


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    What a classy player this guy is.

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    25 ODI hundreds now. Came on a tricky surface, probably the toughest of the CT thus far, and Amla's hundred was the difference between the sides. Most tons for any South African batsman now, 23 of them resulting in wins and he was yet again, the fastest to the milestone. Whattay player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bilal7 View Post
    25 odi hundreds now. Came on a tricky surface, probably the toughest of the ct thus far, and amla's hundred was the difference between the sides. Most tons for any south african batsman now, 23 of them resulting in wins and he was yet again, the fastest to the milestone. Whattay player.
    potw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    25 ODI hundreds now. Came on a tricky surface, probably the toughest of the CT thus far, and Amla's hundred was the difference between the sides. Most tons for any South African batsman now, 23 of them resulting in wins and he was yet again, the fastest to the milestone. Whattay player.
    Nah.. Munaf Patel is greater than Amla. Munaf Patel was in the squad that won the World Cup

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    @Mamoon


    The flick of Lakmal through midwicket was " artistic wrists in action "


    Seriously when Amla has a long poor run I thought his time is over and its time to retire. Majority Ppers thought so except for blind lovers of Amla but Boy, has he bounced back ? Just Wow


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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    @Mamoon


    The flick of Lakmal through midwicket was " artistic wrists in action "


    Seriously when Amla has a long poor run I thought his time is over and its time to retire. Majority Ppers thought so except for blind lovers of Amla but Boy, has he bounced back ? Just Wow
    Amla's stance is ugly but he plays some beautiful shots, great wrist work and outstanding timing. However, he is not the same player he was 3-4 years back, he goes missing against good bowling units far too often these days.

    Will probably retire after the World Cup. A good start to the tournament but he was in his comfort-zone today. He was batting first and the pitch wasn't a 320+ one. His shortcomings will come to the fore when SA are chasing a massive total on a belter, and we saw that in the England ODI series a week ago.

    SA's only hope of chasing big in this tournament is de Kock and to an extent, du Plessis. Amla's accumulation takes the team nowhere and de Villiers doesn't have the nerve. Only de Kock and du Plessis can play high-impact knocks at the top of the order.

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    The flick of Lakmal through midwicket was " artistic wrists in action "

    Seriously when Amla has a long poor run I thought his time is over and its time to retire. Majority Ppers thought so except for blind lovers of Amla but Boy, has he bounced back ? Just Wow
    Form is temporary... class is permanent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Amla's stance is ugly but he plays some beautiful shots, great wrist work and outstanding timing. However, he is not the same player he was 3-4 years back, he goes missing against good bowling units far too often these days.

    Will probably retire after the World Cup. A good start to the tournament but he was in his comfort-zone today. He was batting first and the pitch wasn't a 320+ one. His shortcomings will come to the fore when SA are chasing a massive total on a belter, and we saw that in the England ODI series a week ago.

    SA's only hope of chasing big in this tournament is de Kock and to an extent, du Plessis. Amla's accumulation takes the team nowhere and de Villiers doesn't have the nerve. Only de Kock and du Plessis can play high-impact knocks at the top of the order.
    Of course he's not the same, invincible player he was in his prime. He's 34 years old. Amla has chased 300 against the same opposition a year ago, in an ODI where him and de Kock both hit centuries. He's also been hitting 90s and centuries for fun in T20 matches so its clear that your theory of Amla not possessing that fourth gear is false.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Of course he's not the same, invincible player he was in his prime. He's 34 years old. Amla has chased 300 against the same opposition a year ago, in an ODI where him and de Kock both hit centuries. He's also been hitting 90s and centuries for fun in T20 matches so its clear that your theory of Amla not possessing that fourth gear is false.
    At 34, no one is expecting him to be the same as he was in his prime but he could at least be half as good.

    The guy has been flopping more times than not, If memory serves me right there was a massive margin not too long ago where he couldn't get past the 50 mark.

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    So Amla, after claiming another soft hundred find some places in record book.
    • Fastest to reach 25th century in ODI (going past Kohli)
    • First South African to score 25 century in ODI
    • Only South African to score 25 century in both Test & ODI and 4th in overall (Others are: Sachin, Ponting & Sangakkara)


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    Lol, so that 350+ batta was a tough pitch just because Sri Lankans failed as usual.

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    Once again he proved that why he is the best opener in the world.Legend hash! Haters gonna hate.Take a bow two more hundreds to come one against India and one against pak.We are going to lift the trophy this time.No one is stopping.

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    Scoring runs against our lot doesn't mean much. A minnowesque attack no doubt that too with only 3 front-liners in there. Can't remember the last time we won a game against a top side since the last WC.

    Malinga struggling with injuries and fitness (one and a half years since he last played an ODI fyi)
    Lakmal has been fairly decent in recent times
    Pradeep 20 wkts @ 41 eco 6+
    Prasanna 31 wkts @ 52 eco 5.5
    Asela 10 wkts @ 36 eco 5

    Let's see how he fares against proper teams/attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zak_Fan View Post
    Lol, so that 350+ batta was a tough pitch just because Sri Lankans failed as usual.
    And de Kock and ABD. Had you watched the match or bothered to even read about it, you would have known that 350+ was next to impossible on that pitch. As usual though, you did neither but continue to run your mouth.


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    Not too bad a Test match for Amla. Still has something left in the tank?

    Former South Africa captain Graeme Smith, commentating for the BBC’s Test Match Special, said of his old teammate: "Well played Hashim Amla. That was an outstanding knock. He showed skill and patience and worked hard on this surface. He is a classy man and a classy cricketer."

    http://www.cricket.com.au/news/hashi...ith/2017-07-17


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    A quality player but not an ATG batter. He does not comfortably fit alongside the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Lara, Ponting, Border and Gavaskar. Amla is one or two rungs below this group.

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    He is as good as Dravid IMO, especially if we consider his performances in both forms of the game.

    The debacles within the SA Team have messed up with his current form, maybe if he can have one last upsurge in his career he might go down as an outright ATG.

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    He's a quality player, and wonderful to watch. In full flow, he reminds me of Yousuf (and no, not because of the beard! )

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    the best batsman of the last 10 years after kohli.

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    Needs to make the most of his form and get that average to 52-53.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    A quality player but not an ATG batter. He does not comfortably fit alongside the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Lara, Ponting, Border and Gavaskar. Amla is one or two rungs below this group.
    He is behind the batsmen you mentioned but clearly ahead of Dravid. Dravid is comically overrated on here.

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    hope Amla can get to 10k with an avg over 50. He is definitely worthy of a 50 test match avg.

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    What a player he is.he should be proud of how his career pan out. first they say he isn't cut out for intl cricket but he's prove'em wrong in all format.

    yeah he may be have shortcomings in icc tournies (to me it's good, not extraordinary nor below average) but if only icc turnie matters then the likes Chamara Silva or or Kevin O'Brien or even Afridi will be greater than the likes ABD, Kohli etc.


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  45. #3085
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    BTW would like to see he scores a t20i century too.


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  46. #3086
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    kyun bhai, do ipl century se pet nahi bhara?

    It's juvenile to compare who's better than who. It ain't tennis.

  47. #3087
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    Hashim Amla is a legend. His record in test cricket is outstanding when one looks at his figures against the best teams away. 70-odd average in England, 70-odd in the UAE, 60-odd in India and 45 in Australia.

    The teams he hasn't done well against are the weaker ones like Sri Lanka, West Indies and Bangladesh. Also, his home tests take place in South Africa, easily the toughest place to bat.


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