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    Bosnia-Hercegovina marks 20th anniversary of war

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17636640

    Bosnia-Hercegovina is marking 20 years since the start of its civil war, a conflict that saw the worst atrocities in Europe since World War II.

    The conflict began in April 1992 as part of the break-up of Yugoslavia.

    About 100,000 people were killed and nearly half the population forced from their homes in four years of fighting.

    The main event is in the capital Sarajevo where 11,541 red chairs fill the road where the conflict started - one for each of the city's victims.

    People have been placing white flowers on some of the chairs as they walk alongside them.

    A teddy bear and toys have been placed on some of the small chairs symbolising a child killed during the four-year long siege by Serb forces.

    Sarajevans were asked to stop what they were doing at 12:00 GMT for an hour to mark the start of the conflict.

    Many have been walking past the chairs, which stretch for 800m (half a mile) along the central street in Sarajevo named after the founder of Yugoslavia, Josip Broz Tito.

    Later, an orchestra will give a concert during which the chairs will remain empty.

    "Those people gave their lives for the freedom of this town. They loved this town. They were killed just because they were citizens of this town, because they were at their homes, at their schools, at their playgrounds," concert organiser Haris Pasovic is quoted as saying.

    For three years and eight months in the early 1990s, Sarajevo was a city under siege. The mainly Muslim population took cover, as Serb gunners barraged the city from the hills surrounding it.

    The worst single atrocity during the war was at Srebrenica, in eastern Bosnia, in July 1995. Bosnian Serb forces, led by General Ratko Mladic, overran what should have been a UN safe haven. About 8,000 Muslim men and boys were taken away and killed.

    But the war in Bosnia was a three-way mix, involving Serbs, Croats and Muslims.

    The European Union's special representative to Bosnia, Peter Sorenson, says that during the war, trust and relations between people were simply destroyed. All of this, *he says, can never be forgotten or "wiped away".

    The BBC's Genc Lamani says that the aspirations for a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural Bosnia have not yet become a reality. Many people in Bosnia believe the war was too high a price to pay for such hopes, our correspondent says.


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    It was an absolute travesty that occured Friend turning on friend, neighbour on neighbour

    A lot of the atrocities were carried out on the muslims who were killed, beaten and raped in the thousands by the military superior serb forces Complicit were the nato forces who stood back and watched this genocide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    It was an absolute travesty that occured on the muslims who were killed, beaten and raped in the thousands Complicit were the nato forces who stood back and watched this genocide
    Nato forces seemed to have pulled a Modi there :kami

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    It was an absolute travesty that occured Friend turning on friend, neighbour on neighbour

    A lot of the atrocities were carried out on the muslims who were killed, beaten and raped in the thousands by the military superior serb forces Complicit were the nato forces who stood back and watched this genocide
    Serb propoganda played a significant role in inciting the barbaric serbs (those who committed attrocities not the innocent ones). Media has a massive part to play in conflict and shouldnt be underestimated; questioning the authenticity is a prudent step to take especiallywhen considering the history of the party concerned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azhar329 View Post
    Serb propoganda played a significant role in inciting the barbaric serbs (those who committed attrocities not the innocent ones). Media has a massive part to play in conflict and shouldnt be underestimated; questioning the authenticity is a prudent step to take especiallywhen considering the history of the party concerned.
    That's right, Slobodan Milosevic made the Gazimestan speech in 1989 to mark the anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo when the Ottoman Empire defeated the kingdom of Serbia and its ruler King Lazar.

    Throughout the run-up to the speech, and in its aftermath, Serb TV ran documentaries depicting how apparently Serbia 'sacrificed itself' for 'Christian Europe' against the invading Muslim Empire and that the Muslims were 'fundamentalists'.

    People actually chanted that when Milosevic made the speech.

    Some Serbs have always been anti-Muslim, anti-Bosnian, Serb politicians derisively called Bosnian politicians 'Turks', and some Serb nationalists at the time even called Milosevic 'little Lazar'.

    The Serb TV also ran Jasenovac concentration camp documentaries to drum up anti-Croat feelings.

    A disgusting nation, built on nationalism and hatred for other nations and hatred for other peoples.

    Even a few years ago when Milosevic died, or when Ratko Mladic was arrested, people actually came out in support of them ! Is this really a minority of Serbs, because I remember watching the news, and watching the Milosevic/Karadzic/Mladic speeches, and hundreds of thousands of Serbs packed the streets, cheering on every word. The loudest cheers were reserved for the anti-Croat, anti-Muslim lines.

    Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic, even before the conflict threatened exterminate Muslims.

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    The four year siege on Sarajevo which claimed the lives of thousands including children was horrific. What you will not hear/read so much is the resistance fighters who held out the Serbs for such a long time. Never did the Serbs manage to invade the city by foot. Those hero's will not be forgotten and neither will the victims of Serb genocide.

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    these serbs really hate muslims for some reason. whether they are albanians, bosnians etc

    one of my kosovar friends home was raided by serb forces in late 1990's/ early 2000's and he just managed to escape to the mountains.
    people who were left were ruthlessly killed and there were dead bodies in his house.
    this was when he was 10 i guess

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    Serbians are a very racist lot. Even though my comment is also racist.

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    Reminded me of Pakistan's contribution to UN peace keeping mission for Bosnia, about which the big part of drama ABC was filmed/produced. A familiar sound form that drama in bideo below...


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    The dutch peacekeepers stood by and watched the bosnians get slaughtered

    Alot's being made of bosnia's ethnical divide lines but you don't really forget holocauses do you


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    Srebrenica 'not genocide' - Serbia's President Nikolic

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18301196



    Not surprising from the nationalist Serb president.


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    BLONDE, blue-eyed Bosnian girls sit in a circle on the floor in traditional Muslim fashion and sing a song of praise to Allah. Their bright faces are framed by headscarves. 'Allah - take care of us in our trials. Allah - take us back home to save our people from our enemies. Allah - give Your favours to our Shaheeds (martyrs) and strength to our Mujahedin (holy warriors). Oh Allah, at the end of this journey return us to our homes.'
    As the girls sing, Pakistani welfare workers listen with tears in their eyes. Even though they looked after 3 million Afghan refugees in the 1980s and several million illegal refugees from Burma, India and Bangladesh, Pakistanis have been swept by a wave of emotion for these blonde Muslims. 'We are Europeans but we were abandoned by Europe, only because we are Muslims. Now distant countries like Pakistan have opened their hearts to us,' said Sadzida Silajdzic, the Bosnian ambassador to Pakistan, an Islamic scholar.

    Some 380 Bosnians have arrived in Pakistan, to an ecstatic welcome. 'They are not refugees, they are our honoured guests. We have set up a Bosnian Village for them, not a refugee camp,' said Pakistan's Foreign Secretary, Shaharyar Khan. Pakistan is the third Muslim country, after Jordan and Turkey, to take in Muslim regugees from Bosnia.

    After the Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif, took the decision to accept the refugees last week, they were flown out within 48 hours from the Croatian resort of Split. Nine thousand more Bosnian Muslims have been ordered out of six camps around Split; Pakistan has said it is willing to take them. Mr Sharif is personally supervising their resettlement.

    The refugees are being housed in a complex outside Islamabad, built for pilgrims on their way to Mecca. Two families share each large room, with a kitchen and a bathroom. Although they are eating in a communal dining hall, where they are served special non-spicy food, the Pakistanis will give the Bosnians money so that each family can shop and cook.

    Nearly 200 of the refugees are children, many of whom have not seen at least one of their parents for more than a year. They were brought out of Sarajevo and other towns by their mothers, uncles and aunts, and sometimes by teenage brothers. One woman is the guardian of six children, only one of whom is her own. Some of the smallest children have not yet been told that their fathers have been killed or that their mothers, having been raped, are too ashamed to face them.

    When they arrived, the Bosnian women were dressed in short skirts and jeans, but many have now taken to the local shalwar kameez - the pantaloons and long tunics worn by Pakistani women. 'We are under no pressure to wear it, but it is much cooler in this heat,' said 18-year-old Azra Chaluk. The refugees have been given sewing machines and cloth to make their own clothes.

    The few adult men are silent and listless. Most are victims of Serbian concentration camps; some carry ugly torture marks, others bits of shrapnel lodged in their bodies. They are carpenters and bricklayers, lawyers and engineers, and soon they will go to Mansera, in the foothills of the Karakorum mountains, where they will work with Pakistanis to build a proper Bosnian mountain village, far from the oppressive heat of the Punjab plain.

    'We must keep the men busy working, so they have no time to remember their traumas and nightmares,' said Ademir Karisjic, the 20-year-old leader of the refugee camp. 'We will not be parasites living off the Pakistani people.'

    Pakistanis have been visibly moved by the plight of the Bosnians. One, who refused to disclose his identity, walked up to the stunned Bosnian ambassador and handed her a personal cheque for 1m rupees (pounds 25,000). A special fund for the Bosnians has raised more than pounds 200,000, and welfare groups are sending everything from cloth to powdered milk. Young college girls crowd the camp, volunteering to teach the Bosnians Urdu and English.

    Thousands of Pakistanis have written to Ms Silajdzic, asking if they can adopt Bosnian children. She has refused, insisting that her people must maintain their identity if their nation is to survive: 'Whatever happens, our children must grow up as Bosnians, not Pakistanis,' she says.

    Manzoor Ahmed, a Pakistani Imam, leads the prayers alongside Zekerijh Jajarevic, a clean-shaven Bosnian Imam who wears jeans and a T-shirt. The refugees spend a great deal of time in the mosque, men and women separated according to Muslim fashion.

    Both Pakistanis and Bosnians have been through a culture shock as for the first time they experience the diversity of the larger Muslim world. Pakistanis had never before seen European Muslims. The Bosnians had never seen Asian Muslims. 'There is no creed or colour in Islam. To be a Muslim is to be a part of the world,' said the Bosnian Imam.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...d-1493968.html


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    Nice article Daniyal, I wasn't aware of that Pakistan had taken them in.

    Really heartbreaking to read what the people had to go through during this genocide.

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    keep hearing about Bosnia- Yugoslavia conflict but cant understand what was the reason for war and who were up against each other ? Can anyone explain in brief or provide a genuine link to understand the conflict ? Were Muslims that involved in this conflict white ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Cobra View Post
    keep hearing about Bosnia- Yugoslavia conflict but cant understand what was the reason for war and who were up against each other ? Can anyone explain in brief or provide a genuine link to understand the conflict ? Were Muslims that involved in this conflict white ?
    There is a fantastic documentary on it - the Death of Yugoslavia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6MblImHjWI

    Yugoslavia used to consist of:

    Bosnia (mainly Muslims, as Yugoslavia used to be ruled by the Ottoman Turkish Empire for centuries, with a Serb and Croat minority. A million Serbs lived in Bosnia)
    Serbia - the largest and most powerful entity in Yugoslavia
    Croatia
    Montenegro (Serbian ally)
    Macedonia (didn't take much part in conflict)
    Slovenia

    For decades under the old ruler - Tito, any attempts to break up Yugoslavia into Serbia, Croatia etc. were crushed.

    The Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic came to power after Tito died. He was a nationalist and riled up Serb nationalists around Yugoslavia.

    He wanted to unite all Serbs into a Greater Serbia. The Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic was an ally of Milosevic. Have a look at the video in Post 5 - where he threatens to exterminate Muslims.

    It was Bosnia, and its Muslims, who faced the brunt of the war, it had the largest number of Serbs, and Bosnian Serbs-Serbia brutally attacked innocent Bosnians for 3 years. Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia was under siege for 3 years.

    Croatia was an ally of Bosnia against Serbia, but then in 1993 attacked Bosnia to gain land in the Bosnian Croat areas. It then became an ally of Bosnia again after being threatened by the international community that it would not recognise a new state of Croatia if it continued its attack.

    Croatia was led by Franjo Tudjman - this man compared himself to Jesus Christ ! And that like Jesus, he had 'returned to his people'.

    Whilst Croatia and Serbia did go to war with each other - they signed the Karadordevo Agreement, to split up Bosnia between themselves. Bosnia did not know about this secret pact, and they were allies of Croatia !

    Bosnia was led by an honourable man, who was even kidnapped by the Serb scum Army - Alija Izetbegovic, at Sarajevo Airport. During his kidnap, all he worried about was his daughter.

    Serbs, Croats and others in the Balkans tend to dislike Muslims in the region because apparently they are 'Turks' or 'Turkish allies'. Their dislike for Muslims stems from the centuries of Ottoman Turk rule. The word Turk is often used as an insult.

    And now Yugoslavia is split up into independent nations - Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Slovenia and Kosovo.

    Milosevic is dead. Karadzic is at the Hague, Ratko Mladic is also now at the Hague, he was the Serb Army leader.

    Some Serbs still support those thugs, and cannot even accept the mass murder of Muslims in which their Army and paramilitaries perpetrated !

    Serbs are very nationalistic in nature, some are so delusional they think they sacrificed their blood for Christian Europe in the 13th Century against the Ottoman Turk Islamic fundamentalists ! (during the battle which saw the Ottomans eventually conquer the region).

    And on Thursday:

    REIMS, France — Serbia football hooligans chanted the name of Ratko Mladic and held up a banner proclaiming Kosovo as belonging to Serbia as they marched to Auguste Delaune Stadium for Thursday's friendly against France.
    Idiots.

    And I bumped this thread as the nationalist Serb President who has just come to power has denied there was a genocide at Srebrenica !

    Unbelievable. A nation of backward savages who think their nation is the greatest on earth, that they are special and unique, and always talk about their 'warriors of the past'. Mladic/Milosevic/Karadzic banged on about 'српски народ' - 'the Serb nation' during the conflict and during their trials. Their people are no different, they supported their thug leaders in their millions.

    That may be more of a rant than explanation but there you go
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    oh nice!

    kick all the afgans out and take them in!

    atleast they are good looking

    though in all honesty bosnia is very developed now and sarajevo is esp becoming a modern european city!

    they might have already overtaken Pakistan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Srebrenica 'not genocide' - Serbia's President Nikolic

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18301196



    Not surprising from the nationalist Serb president.
    He has been tried at the hague though, where's tony blair's invitation?


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    Nikolić also stated that he wont attend the annual commemoration of the Srebrenica massacre: "Don't always ask the Serbian president if he is going to Srebrenica, my predecessor was there and paid tribute. Why should every president do the same?"
    Vile human being. What a disgrace.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    It was an absolute travesty that occured Friend turning on friend, neighbour on neighbour

    A lot of the atrocities were carried out on the muslims who were killed, beaten and raped in the thousands by the military superior serb forces Complicit were the nato forces who stood back and watched the genocide
    The way I recall it, NATO bombed the Serbs into paralysis and forced them to the conference table, thereby stopping the genocide of Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    The way I recall it, NATO bombed the Serbs into paralysis and forced them to the conference table, thereby stopping the genocide of Muslims.
    that was for the Kosovo war.

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    NATO tied to Muslim slaughter at Srebrenica

    One of the most brutal incidents in recent history is the massacre at Srebrenica in 1995 by a paramilitary group known as "the Scorpions." We now have a top level witness and reams of official documents that categorically prove that it was NATO ordered, not only the Dutch "stand down" that led to the killings, but recruited, paid and controlled the Scorpions as well.

    CC collapse at Ratco Mladic trial

    The International Criminal Court at The Hague suffered a fatal blow when it was discovered in May 2012, during the trial of Ratco Mladic that something was very wrong. On May 16, 2012, the trial of Mladic, accused of heading a group called "the Scorpions," and murdering of up to 6000 Bosnian Muslims suddenly ended. Judges said it was because of "prosecutorial misconduct" in "withholding vital evidence that would have favored the defense. Documents were discovered that categorically proved the most fear mass murderers of recent years were not only not under Mladic's control, they never heard of him.
    They were part of NATO.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/249151.html

    It was too good to be true the Nato War Criminals could do any good esp for Muslims. They won't be appearing any court but the court of the Almighty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/249151.html

    It was too good to be true the Nato War Criminals could do any good esp for Muslims. They won't be appearing any court but the court of the Almighty.
    They killed a reported 72 in libya too and they f'd up the kosovo campaign


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    Quote Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri View Post
    They killed a reported 72 in libya too and they f'd up the kosovo campaign
    Those 70 odd were killed in one incident, Nato murdered hundreds, flying around 20,000 sorties.

    You make the link here, the Nato intervention in Bosnia, which before this trial was known as a 'good' intervention was used as an argument to intervene in Libya. We now know in both cases they are guilty of supporting great crimes against humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irfan View Post
    that was for the Kosovo war.
    So NATO did stop a genocide of Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    The way I recall it, NATO bombed the Serbs into paralysis and forced them to the conference table, thereby stopping the genocide of Muslims.
    Years had passed by before US and its Muslim allies decided enough is enough.

    Europe is culpable in this tragedy for allowing the Serbs to kill for so long. Thankfully, they learnt not to sit on the sidelines for too long when it came to Kosovo.


    Pakistan's help is well documented in a high court petition.


    In the petition filed in an anti-terrorism court in Lahore [ Images ] on October 23, 2002, Nasir disclosed that "despite the UN ban on supply of arms to the besieged Bosnians, he successfully airlifted sophisticated anti-tank guided missiles, which turned the tide in favour of Bosnian Muslims and forced the Serbs to lift the siege, much to the annoyance of the United States government.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/256199/i...snia-tribunal/

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    This is sad and so is the genocide committed by Muslims in Nigeria and Indonesia.This must be equally condemned.Unfortunately all we care about is our own community.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Boko_Haram_Uprising

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maluku_sectarian_conflict
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...uld-be-praised

    Radovan Karadžić: I should be praised for peace efforts

    For the love of God, is there any limit to this man's delusion ?


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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...acist-chanting

    Serbian FA appears to post video accusing Danny Rose of lying

    "The Serbian people have never been, nor will be, racist," he said. "The crowd's reaction to the defeat should not be confused with one of the greatest evils of the modern era."
    Yeah just like the Serbians weren't racist to Bosnians or Croats.


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    Great informative thread, a significant one to read.

    I wonder what will happen to the Serbian football team.

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    Other recent events in Serbia have painted a picture of a country that has been too tolerant of extremist groups.

    This month's proposed gay pride march in Belgrade was banned by the authorities after ultra-nationalist movements threatened participants.

    Prime Minister Ivica Dacic called the cancellation "a victory for Serbia". Human rights groups said the government had caved in to hooligans.

    Other minority groups within the country have faced discrimination.

    The football violence on Tuesday coincided with the release of an Amnesty International report asking the government to stop the regular forced evictions of Roma communities.
    This is a fascist state.


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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20591187

    Two Bosnian Serb commanders have had their appeal against convictions for war crimes rejected.

    Cousins Milan and Sredoje Lukic were contesting their guilty verdicts at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in The Hague.

    The court upheld the life sentence handed to Milan Lukic in 2009 and reduced Sredoje's from 30 years to 27.

    The pair were formerly members of the notorious White Eagles Serb paramilitary group.

    The decision by the tribunal to uphold the commanders' lengthy prison sentences is likely to cause anger in Belgrade, where some people feel the court has unfairly targeted Serbs.

    Serbians recently protested over the tribunal's decision to acquit a high-ranking Croatian army officer and the former Kosovo prime minister in two separate cases.

    Milan and Sredoje Lukic were convicted of war crimes and crimes against humanity by the tribunal in 2009, with judges describing their crimes as "the worst acts of inhumanity that a person may inflict upon others".

    The charges relate to events which took place in the eastern Bosnian town of Visegrad during the 1992-1995 conflict.

    Milan Lukic was found guilty of persecutions, murder, extermination, cruel treatment and inhumane acts against Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims), amounting to crimes against humanity and war crimes, in relation to six discrete incidents.

    The 45-year-old was found responsible for the murder of 59 women, children and elderly men in a house in the town in June 1992.

    The victims were locked into one room of the house which was then set on fire. Milan Lukic was found to have placed the explosive device in the room which set the house ablaze, and to have shot at people as they tried to flee from the burning building.

    He was also found guilty of the murder of at least 60 Bosniak civilians in a house in the town's Bikavac settlement later in June the same year.

    The court found that he and other armed groups had forced the civilians inside the house, blocked all the exits and thrown in several explosive devices and petrol, setting it ablaze.

    Sredoje Lukic, who is Milan's cousin and a 51-year-old police officer, was present at one of the burnings and was found to have "substantially contributed to the deaths" though his armed presence.


    Both men had asked the court to reverse their convictions, or at least reduce their jail terms.

    Their lawyers claimed the court made "substantial and factual errors" and "certain oversights in the first trial regarding the identification of the appellant".

    The prosecution also filed an appeal, asking the court to increase Sredoje Lukic's sentence.

    Milan Lukic was transferred to The Hague in February 2006 from Argentina, where he was arrested in August 2005 having been on the run for more than five years.

    Sredoje Lukic, who according to prosecutors was hiding in Russia, turned himself in to Bosnian Serb authorities in September 2005 and was then transferred to The Hague.
    And the predictable, whiny reaction from the Serb public who of course know better than the International Criminal Court !

    http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=145741

    Thousands of Serbs gathered Tuesday in front of Parliament in Belgrade to protest the Hague International Criminal Tribunal's rejection of Milan and Sredoje Lukic's appeals.

    Tuesday the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia confirmed that the two cousins, leaders of paramilitary Bosnian Serb units during the Bosnia war in the early 1990s, are guilty of war crimes.

    Milan Lukic had a life sentence confirmed, while Sredoje Lukic's sentence was reduced from 30 to 27 years in prison.

    The two have been found guilty of killing more than 50 women, children and elderly people in the summer of 1992 in the Bosnian town of Visegrad.

    Tuesday protesters in Belgrade expressed their anger at what they see the Hague Tribunal's bias against Serbs in its proceedings.

    They pointed out to the recent acquittal of Croatian generals Ante Gotovina and Mladen Markac, as well as former Kosovo Liberation Army field commander Ramush Haradinaj.

    The acquittals provoked public festivities in Croatia and Kosovo, respectively, where the defendants are seen as national heroes.
    Oh cry me a river. Is this the level Serbia has descended to ? Defending war criminals ?


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    It's unbelievable how racist the Serbs are and how proud of it they are. Truly delusional.

    I once played competitive footy on a team with French Africans and we came up against a Serbian team. Their attitude on the field was appalling. Pushing and shoving and throwing the ball at our players after committing fouls. At the end of the game a brawl was ready to break out. Anyway as we went our way the Serbs started calling two short lads from Madagascar "gypsies" as a way to insult them.

    I've never liked Serbs but I can't blame them for having a chip on their shoulder. They've been conquered by Muslims and Russians. They're just a bunch weaksauces.

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    It was sad what happened but it was interesting to see they did not vote in favour of Palestine recently . What`s up with that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looney View Post
    It was sad what happened but it was interesting to see they did not vote in favour of Palestine recently . What`s up with that ?
    They actually supported Palestinian bid. Although Palestine's refusal to recognise Kosovo may have something to do with that...


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    During the early investigations by the United Nations, in 1992, it became apparent that rape was not random, but systematic and had the support of commanders and local authorities.

    There were numerous rape camps in the town of Foča. "Karaman’s house" was one of the most notable rape camps. While kept in this house, girls were repeatedly raped. Among the women held in "Karaman's house" were minors as young as 12 years of age. In the findings of the Kunarac trial, the appalling conditions of the detention centers being used for mass rape were described.
    Women were kept in various detention centres where they had to live in intolerably unhygienic conditions, where they were mistreated in many ways including, for many of them, being raped repeatedly. Serb soldiers or policemen would come to these detention centres, select one or more women, take them out and rape them …. All this was done in full view, in complete knowledge and sometimes with the direct involvement of the local authorities, particularly the police forces. The head of Foča police forces, Dragan Gagović, was personally identified as one of the men who came to these detention centres to take women out and rape them.

    — International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, Kunarac trial (V. Findings of the trial chamber)
    Bosniak and Croat women were specifically targeted. The girls and women, who were selected by convicted war criminal Dragoljub Kunarac or by his men, were systematically taken to the soldiers’ base, a house located in Osmana Đikić street No. 16. There, the girls and women (some of them as young as 14 years old), were raped by Dragoljub or his men. They removed many girls from the detention centres, and kept some of them for various periods of time to rape.[10] In one camp, Omarska, about 5,000-7,000 Bosniaks and Croats were held in appalling conditions at the camp for about five months in the spring and summer of 1992. Murder, torture, rape, and abuse of prisoners was common.
    Radomir Kovač, who was also convicted by the ICTY, kept four girls in his apartment, abusing and raping three of them many times. "Kovač would also invite his friends to his apartment, sometimes allowing them to rape one of the girls. Kovač sold three of the girls …. Prior to their being sold, he gave two of them … to other Serb soldiers who abused them for more than three weeks."
    Early United Nations investigations concluded that "Rape has been reported to have been committed by all sides to the conflict. However, the largest number of reported victims have been Bosnian Muslims, and the largest number of alleged perpetrators have been Bosnian Serbs. There are few reports of rape and sexual assault between members of the same ethnic group.

    It has been claimed that "For the Serbs, the desire to degrade, humiliate, and impregnate Bosnian Muslim women with ‘little Chetniks’ was paramount." Women were forced to go full term with their pregnancies and give birth. Many of the reports of the abuses illustrated the ethnic dimension of the rapes.

    The women knew the rapes would begin when 'Marš na Drinu' was played over the loudspeaker of the main mosque. ('Mars na Drinu,' or 'March on the Drina', is reportedly a former Chetnik fighting song that was banned during the Tito years.) While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes.

    — Seventh Report on War Crimes in the Former Yugoslavia
    Bloody animals. These are the types of people the Serbian protesters are defending.


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    One of the more unsettling things that I have read.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20700387

    Another one bites the dust. This time the Bosnian Serb intelligence chief. Go rot in your jail cell for the rest of your life you horrible excuse for a human being.

    Slowly but surely the wheels of justice are turning.

    Its funny how the 'poor health' and 'blood pressure' problems only magically appear when these criminal thugs are put on trial for their crimes.

    Sooner or later it'll be time for Ratko 'shell them until they (Bosnians) are on the brink of madness' Mladic to be given his due punishment.

    A Bosnian Serb former general has been sentenced to life in prison for genocide during the Bosnian war at the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague.

    Zdravko Tolimir was convicted for his involvement in the killings of more than 7,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in 1995.

    Tolimir, 64, was arrested in Serbia in 2007 after two years on the run.

    Judges said the former intelligence chief was the "right hand" of Ratko Mladic, also on trial at The Hague.

    Three judges on the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) found Tolimir jointly responsible for some of the most notorious crimes against humanity committed by Serb forces during the 1992-95 conflict.

    "The accused not only had knowledge of genocidal intent of others but also possessed it himself," said Presiding Judge Christoph Fluegge.

    "He is therefore responsible for the crime of genocide."

    Tolimir stood, removed his glasses and crossed himself three times as the verdict was read out, but showed no emotion as he was told he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

    Before the verdict was delivered, he said: "I wish for these proceedings to be concluded in accordance with God's will."

    The 64-year-old had defended himself throughout the trial, arguing that the killings at Srebrenica were part of a military operation against terrorists rather than a massacre.

    He was given warnings about "disruptive conduct" in court.

    Since his arrival in The Hague there had been concerns about his poor health and high blood pressure, says the BBC's Anna Holligan in The Hague.

    Military commander Mladic and his political leader Radovan Karadzic are still on trial at the ICTY for overseeing Serb atrocities during the conflict, in which some 100,000 people died.

    Gen Tolimir was in charge of intelligence and security for the Bosnian Serb army during the war, and reported directly to Gen Mladic.

    He was accused of knowingly participating in the forced expulsion of Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) from the Srebrenica and Zepa enclaves, in the knowledge that "individual killings would occur as a result of the joint criminal enterprise".

    "It was his men... who were at the detention and execution and burial sites, making sure that murder operation did its evil work until the last bullet was fired and the last body buried," said the prosecution.

    He was also accused of the cruel and inhumane treatment of Bosniak civilians who were detained at Bratunac and Zvornik, as well as the destruction and theft of Bosniak property.

    He was accused of helping disable UN troops during the Bosnian Serb attack on Srebrenica by lying to Unprofor, the UN contingent in Bosnia at the time.

    After the signing of the Dayton peace accords he served as Bosnian military representative to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE).

    He then worked as an adviser to Biljana Plavsic, the former president of Republika Srpska, before retiring from the army in 1997.

    In February 2005 the Hague tribunal indicted him for war crimes.


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    Oh here we go, the true colours always come out !

    Bosnian Serb leader Milorad Dodik defends Karadzic

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22076654

    Bosnian Serb leader Milorad Dodik has defended his predecessor, Radovan Karadzic, against war crimes at his trial in The Hague.

    Mr Dodik blamed Muslim ambition for an Islamic state as laying "the foundation for the future conflict in Bosnia".

    More than 100,000 people died during the war from 1992-1995.

    Mr Karadzic faces 10 charges of genocide and crimes against humanity during the war, including the siege of Sarajevo and the Srebrenica massacre.


    The 67-year-old went on trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) in October 2009, following his capture after almost 13 years on the run.

    Mr Dodik is president of Bosnia's Serb-dominated Republika Srpska.

    He accused the Muslims' war-time leader Alia Izetbegovic of seeking to create an Islamic state under Sharia law despite not having a majority in Bosnia in the months leading up to the outbreak of war.

    "I recognised his activities at the time and how he was carrying out his political plan," Mr Dodik told the court. "It has elements of fanaticism."

    He said Izetbegovic supporters armed Muslims before the conflict, and that the first victims of war were Serbs shot by Muslims.

    Central to Mr Karadzic's defence is the argument that Serbs only resorted to military action to defend themselves from Muslim aggression during the collapse of the former Yugoslavia.

    However, most allegations against Mr Karadzic at the ICTY involve Serbs persecuting and expelling Muslims and Croats.

    More than 7,000 Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) men and boys were killed at Srebrenica in the worst single atrocity in Europe since the end of World War II.

    During the 44-month siege of Sarajevo more than 12,000 civilians died.
    Not even worth a reply, Serb savages.


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