Pat Cummins - The Mega Discussion

**Irshadbhat** · 13th October 2012, 10:18

Patrick Cummins is really the future of fast bowling i just hope he stays fit

**AamchiMumbaikar** · 13th October 2012, 10:31

Yeah, him and Pattison are really good in TEST format.

Would be a great contest between these 2 vs Pujara & Kohli in the upcoming Border-Gavaskar trophies

**Irshadbhat** · 13th October 2012, 11:01

I dont think Pujara or Kohli are that good to have any contest with Pat Cummins

**jellybeans** · 13th October 2012, 12:31

Originally Posted by AamchiMumbaikar

Yeah, him and Pattison are really good in TEST format.

Would be a great contest between these 2 vs Pujara & Kohli in the upcoming Border-Gavaskar trophies

kohli is very lucky to be playing in an era of when there is a serious lack of quality express bowlers.

**Gilly** · 13th October 2012, 12:37

Cummins has a long way to go, it will be at least two years before he can be considered the future of fast bowling.

**Kwremb** · 13th October 2012, 13:17

Originally Posted by Gilly

Cummins has a long way to go, it will be at least two years before he can be considered the future of fast bowling.

Why? Injury permitting he has great potential and future

**Mobashir** · 13th October 2012, 13:21

He really is impressing! Has a beautiful action, good pace and got bounce. Can swing it a litle bit both ways.
I will say, if he is injury free, he will be the best bowler of all youngsters. If he can be as good as Steyn? Not sure!

**Executioner** · 13th October 2012, 15:52

Pattinson, Starc and Cummins, all 3 are top players!!

Australia has a bright future in the pace department though there lack of spinner of spinner is a worry for them.

**Random Aussie** · 13th October 2012, 16:15

Cummins needs to play more than a handful of games without injury first.

Not sure how T20 will work out for him, on one hand he is missing first class cricket to play it, on the other hand it might be good he is not bowling lots of overs while so young.

Our bowling looks very promising, batting not so good.

**Executioner** · 13th October 2012, 16:31

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

Cummins needs to play more than a handful of games without injury first.

Not sure how T20 will work out for him, on one hand he is missing first class cricket to play it, on the other hand it might be good he is not bowling lots of overs while so young.

Our bowling looks very promising, batting not so good.

quite true

I think the issue arises due to the lack of oppurtunities to youngster in the last decade. Ive always used to tell my Oz friends that once these greats like hayden and gilly will retire the Aus will be in a whole because they will be forced to fill a young and inexperienced side in big matches. Guys like wade, forrest, steven smith showed some signs of becoming future cricket stars but failed to live upto their expectations. However, maxwell is different from the others and looks like he can become the future Bevan but only time will tell.

I also feel that experienced players like katich and haddin should still have played alongside these youngsters. That would give them confidence. Afterall, it really helped guys like raina and kohli to play alongside legends like dravid and tendulkar(the same cant be said about rohit)

**Eye_Done** · 13th October 2012, 21:28

How much he averages in test cricket?

**ibrar shah** · 13th October 2012, 21:35

Yes he is not to forget Starc " Pakistan need to bring up some speed bowlers like these
the have done it well in past? We need a bowler like shoiab Ahktar with pace and Gutts"

**Minku** · 13th October 2012, 23:17

Cummings, Starc, Pattinson, Hiffenhous (sp?) + Injury Prone guy whose name I cant recall..

Aussies are all set for another round of world domination if they can only get their batting in order....

**Irshadbhat** · 14th October 2012, 10:43

Ozs Should play Pat in International matches rather then wasting him at first class cricket

**kingusama92** · 14th October 2012, 10:47

The Australian bowling attack is looking sublime for the future.

Cummins looks like a good one. He's got all the right tools in order to accomplish all that he desires as a fast bowler. He might require some mental sharpening and tactical awareness, but there is a LOT to work with here.

Even the others mentioned - Pattinson and Starc - are top drawer prospects.

**pal** · 14th October 2012, 11:57

Cummins, Pattinson, Starc, and Hazlewood are all players who are 22 years or younger and capable of consistently bowling in the mid-to-high 140s. They have faced injury problems in the past, which is cause for concern. But, if they can sort those issues out and continue to grow, Australia could have a fearsome and dominant pace attack in a few years.

**Green Leopard** · 14th October 2012, 13:53

Pat Cummins is over rated. His action will lead to more injuries than playing matches.

He with his pace and juicy line and length he is set-up for been taken for runs unless every pitch he plays on has grass on it.

**Punk27** · 14th October 2012, 14:46

Future great along with Pattinson if handled properly. Starc is good too but is more of a ODI bowler.

**Random Aussie** · 14th October 2012, 15:12

Originally Posted by Eye_Done

How much he averages in test cricket?

17. Only played on Test and was MOTM v South Africa in Sethefrica.

Got injured doing that and missed four months, that's the story of his career.

**Random Aussie** · 14th October 2012, 15:14

Originally Posted by Irshadbhat

Ozs Should play Pat in International matches rather then wasting him at first class cricket

He doesn't warrant selection at the moment. We have a stupid amount of bowlers right now, we are the new Pakistan. No batters.

**adnanulhaq97** · 14th October 2012, 15:14

Also Pattison and Starc

**Safar55** · 14th October 2012, 15:43

What happened to Hazlewood. He looked like he had immaculate control over line and length, mcgrathesque. That was like 2-3 years ago when I saw him in under-19 WC - Auz beat Pakistan in final. raza Hasan And Hammad Azam were the stars of that team and only Raza Hasan looks to have really emerged so far.

**wrongun** · 14th October 2012, 17:52

Hazlewood had back fractures which set him out of action a long while, during which time many others (Pattinson, Cummins, Starc etc) got ahead of him in the eyes of the selectors.

Cummins I think will really be tested by Indian conditions if he gets a game over there. We'll find out how many tricks he has up his sleeve & the size of his heart.

**Safar55** · 15th October 2012, 05:18

Originally Posted by wrongun

Hazlewood had back fractures which set him out of action a long while, during which time many others (Pattinson, Cummins, Starc etc) got ahead of him in the eyes of the selectors.

Cummins I think will really be tested by Indian conditions if he gets a game over there. We'll find out how many tricks he has up his sleeve & the size of his heart.

coincidentally i noticed hazlewoods name today in the sydney t20 team. who have a magnificent attack btw, especially in SA conditions. Aus are set fast bowling wise for the future.

Cummins will come good, because he has others around him and he is young yetgetting good experiance.

**Canistani Hero** · 15th October 2012, 06:24

Dale Steyn is the past, the present and the future

**Random Aussie** · 2nd November 2012, 08:28

And gone again for another summer with back fractures.

TEENAGE pace sensation Pat Cummins is facing another summer on the sidelines after being diagnosed with a bone stress injury of the lower back on Friday.

Cummins was sent for scans upon his arrival in Australia on Tuesday after complaining of back soreness following the Sydney Sixers' Champions League triumph earlier this week.

It continues the 19-year-old's terrible run with injury and comes after he missed the entire summer last season due to a heel injury.

The latest injury is to a different part of Cummins's back, which he hurt two years ago after the Shield final for NSW, but he is expected to make a full recovery.

Cummins hurt his side during Australia's ODI tour of England earlier this year but made a strong return for country and franchise during the World Twenty20 and the Champions League.

"It doesn’t look great," said his manager and Sydney Sixers teammate Dominic Thornely.

"There's a minor stress fracture in his back. He had some soreness there for a week but he didn't think it was too bad. The physios all thought it was OK but he had the scans this morning and it showed up."

Australian team physiotherapist Alex Kountouris said: "Pat Cummins returned from Champions League Twenty20 duties with the Sydney Sixers with some back soreness.

"Because of his age and past history we decided to investigate the source of the pain and unfortunately he has an early stage stress fracture of his spine, confirmed by scans today.

"Pat had a spine bone stress injury a few years ago but the current injury is new and in an entirely different part of the spine.

"We expect he will recover fully from this injury and will be closely monitored to determine his return to the playing field, but expect that he will miss most of the 2012-13 domestic cricket season."

Australian coach Mickey Arthur said on Twitter: "Disappointing to hear that @93Cummins has a stress fracture. He will recover well and be back bowling fast in a few months time."

Cummins burst onto the Test cricket scene in November last year when he played a key role in Australia's narrow victory over South Africa at the Wanderers.

The then 18-year-old took six wickets in South Africa's second innings and hit the winning runs at the visitors clung on for a two-wicket victory. He was awarded the man-of-the-match award in his solitary Test.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/crick...#ixzz2B2BbBfIo

**Madplayer** · 2nd November 2012, 10:59

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

And gone again for another summer with back fractures.

TEENAGE pace sensation Pat Cummins is facing another summer on the sidelines after being diagnosed with a bone stress injury of the lower back on Friday.

Cummins was sent for scans upon his arrival in Australia on Tuesday after complaining of back soreness following the Sydney Sixers' Champions League triumph earlier this week.

It continues the 19-year-old's terrible run with injury and comes after he missed the entire summer last season due to a heel injury.

The latest injury is to a different part of Cummins's back, which he hurt two years ago after the Shield final for NSW, but he is expected to make a full recovery.

Cummins hurt his side during Australia's ODI tour of England earlier this year but made a strong return for country and franchise during the World Twenty20 and the Champions League.

"It doesn’t look great," said his manager and Sydney Sixers teammate Dominic Thornely.

"There's a minor stress fracture in his back. He had some soreness there for a week but he didn't think it was too bad. The physios all thought it was OK but he had the scans this morning and it showed up."

Australian team physiotherapist Alex Kountouris said: "Pat Cummins returned from Champions League Twenty20 duties with the Sydney Sixers with some back soreness.

"Because of his age and past history we decided to investigate the source of the pain and unfortunately he has an early stage stress fracture of his spine, confirmed by scans today.

"Pat had a spine bone stress injury a few years ago but the current injury is new and in an entirely different part of the spine.

"We expect he will recover fully from this injury and will be closely monitored to determine his return to the playing field, but expect that he will miss most of the 2012-13 domestic cricket season."

Australian coach Mickey Arthur said on Twitter: "Disappointing to hear that @93Cummins has a stress fracture. He will recover well and be back bowling fast in a few months time."

Cummins burst onto the Test cricket scene in November last year when he played a key role in Australia's narrow victory over South Africa at the Wanderers.

The then 18-year-old took six wickets in South Africa's second innings and hit the winning runs at the visitors clung on for a two-wicket victory. He was awarded the man-of-the-match award in his solitary Test.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/crick...#ixzz2B2BbBfIo

Oh man not again.. These injuries are happening So early in his career. I hope he overcomes it..

**Random Aussie** · 2nd November 2012, 11:56

The future of fast bowling is looking a little fragile hey

**style_guru** · 2nd November 2012, 12:26

Unless the player's set their priorities straight, such injuries are gonna happen.

Good news for SA.

**Executioner** · 2nd November 2012, 12:42

Cummins seems to be quite injury prone. Probably because of his bowling style.

Starc on the other hand has an easier bowling action and looks comfortable quite delivering the ball

**Marshland** · 2nd November 2012, 13:07

Sigh, seems to be going the Bond way. For the Ozzies sake, I hope this isn't the case but.

**wrongun** · 2nd November 2012, 13:28

Yep, he's a goner. The new Bruce Reid.

**Random Aussie** · 2nd November 2012, 15:30

He is so young I am not writing him off yet but he is breaking down bowling T20 only. That's a really bad sign.

**Eagle_Eye** · 2nd November 2012, 16:44

They are sending him off to have his action assessed.

Umar Gul had to go through similar ordeal early on. Modified his action and the back problems have stayed away.

**Madplayer** · 2nd November 2012, 17:06

Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye

They are sending him off to have his action assessed.

Umar Gul had to go through similar ordeal early on. Modified his action and the back problems have stayed away.

And is umer gul a better bowler now with the modified action??

**Kwremb** · 2nd November 2012, 17:06

Certainly needs to remodel his action and maybe sacrifice a bit of pace. Instead of trying to hit 150kmh I think he should try to operate around 140.

**SL_Fan** · 2nd November 2012, 17:08

He looks to be very fragile though and that's a huge concern for Aus especially when it comes to the Test arena.

**Jo_Don** · 2nd November 2012, 17:38

Said it after his first test against SA, that even though he bowled brilliantly, his action needs work if he's going to stay injury-free. And then he got injured. Great young prospect, but the coaches really need to work on his action lest he turn into another Shane Bond. The same applies to Pattinson, but to a lesser extent.

**ethan hunt** · 2nd November 2012, 18:24

would be a real shame if he has to sacrifice his pace , was a very exciting bowler to watch .

**shah_1** · 2nd November 2012, 19:50

Really feel sorry for this guy....

I read one of ian pont post about cummins where he states

Cummins is a wonderful talent but has been allowed to go unchecked with several flaws with his bowling. He runs at an angle towards fine leg, has a mixed bowling action, then has a lateral flexion (fall away) meaning he releases the ball almost two feet outside of his body width. The stresses and strains on this type of action will take their toll

If Cummins can straighten up his approach, address some of his misalignments and then have all his energy going towards the target, he will not only be less injury prone, but increase his speed and accuracy. If your top half drives towards third slip then it's clear not all your energy is going at the batsman. You end up 'pushing' the ball if you are not careful and can lose your wrist position. This is what happened to Steve Harmison eventually."

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=156808

**adnanulhaq97** · 2nd November 2012, 19:57

He's injured

Again

**wrongun** · 3rd November 2012, 07:19

Could be worse. Could be a 5 year ban ;)

**Marshland** · 3rd November 2012, 08:23

One of the taunts that Aussie fans administer to Kiwis is that had Bond featured for the Baggy Greens, he would have been managed well and all of the injuries would not have been allowed to taper his career off in the manner that it did, or he may not have been injured all the time at all.

Well, here's the test.

**Random Aussie** · 3rd November 2012, 08:42

Originally Posted by Marshland

One of the taunts that Aussie fans administer to Kiwis is that had Bond featured for the Baggy Greens, he would have been managed well and all of the injuries would not have been allowed to taper his career off in the manner that it did, or he may not have been injured all the time at all.

Well, here's the test.

Be quiet Hobbit

**Marshland** · 3rd November 2012, 08:49

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

Be quiet Hobbit

Walk the talk, Ozzie. Get Cummins right.

**Random Aussie** · 19th July 2013, 07:37

Pat Cummins actually bowled 6 overs in a game of cricket in Africa yesterday, against Zimbabwe A.

6 overs, 2 maidens, 2 wickets for 6 runs.

**Aman** · 19th July 2013, 07:50

Good talent but Pattinson is better.

**leatherface58** · 19th July 2013, 07:55

If he were Pakistani, he would have been called better than Waqar based on his debut performance.

**Aman** · 19th July 2013, 08:57

Originally Posted by leatherface58

If he were Pakistani, he would have been called better than Waqar based on his debut performance.

If he was Indian, he would have been called better than.. oh wait

**leatherface58** · 19th July 2013, 15:35

Originally Posted by Kiwi

If he was Indian, he would have been called better than.. oh wait

No. Better than Wasim

pathan

**Energetic** · 19th July 2013, 17:26

Australia fast bowling and fielding is still strong as ever but batting and spin bowling has become pretty poor. I blame T20 for their batting as a lot of Australian batsman are more interested in this form compared to the longer form and pitches not suitable for spin bowling.

**Random Aussie** · 16th August 2013, 04:08

Pat Cummins reported played three games in a row during the A tour, and the future of fast bowling was sent home with a back injury.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-1...k-inju/4884028

Interesting he is 20 now, he has already overtaken Mohammed Amir who remains 18.

**Haroon786** · 16th August 2013, 04:22

RA didn't understand the Amir comment.

**Haroon786** · 16th August 2013, 04:23

Feels good to have 1,000 runs now.

**Random Aussie** · 16th August 2013, 04:30

Originally Posted by Haroon786

RA didn't understand the Amir comment.

Because some posters like to pretend Amir doesnt age, they keep referring to him as 18 or whatever, even though he is clearly over 20.

**Haroon786** · 16th August 2013, 13:15

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

Because some posters like to pretend Amir doesnt age, they keep referring to him as 18 or whatever, even though he is clearly over 20.

He is about 21, I also don't think Cummins should have been played that early, especially bowling at 150 kph, when Amir started he was in the late 130s and then moved up to 140s consistently after a year.

**wrongun** · 16th August 2013, 13:56

Originally Posted by Haroon786

He is about 21, I also don't think Cummins should have been played that early, especially bowling at 150 kph, when Amir started he was in the late 130s and then moved up to 140s consistently after a year.

We should have told him to slow down?

**wrongun** · 16th August 2013, 13:57

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

Pat Cummins reported played three games in a row during the A tour, and the future of fast bowling was sent home with a back injury.
.

3 games is actually an improvement. Next time we might get half a shield season out of him!

**cars112** · 16th August 2013, 13:59

Real shame about this guy, he was dynamite in that debut Test and world cricket needs fast bowlers. Hopefully as he gets older his body will get stronger

**Haroon786** · 16th August 2013, 13:59

Originally Posted by wrongun

We should have told him to slow down?

Not slow down, but to have built his pace steadily, not be express right from his first year, hence the injury.

**cars112** · 16th August 2013, 14:05

Originally Posted by wrongun

We should have told him to slow down?

Originally Posted by Haroon786

Not slow down, but to have built his pace steadily, not be express right from his first year, hence the injury.

Its a tough one. He was so brilliant in that debut match that you don't want to restrict a kid's potential. But at the same time...his body obviously couldn't handle it

**Compass** · 17th August 2013, 15:08

Gem of a bowler. Guess there's something wrong the way Australians handle them.Cricket needs express pacers like him.

**MarkCooper** · 17th August 2013, 15:12

Meh. He had a good start but you can't take wickets in the doctors chair!

**Random Aussie** · 8th January 2014, 04:33

Rumour has it the future of fast bowling will play in the BBL on Friday night for the Perth Scorchers.

Looking forward to his annual cricket appearance!

**freelance_cricketer** · 8th January 2014, 04:37

Beast. Too bad he keeps getting injured.

**saj786** · 8th January 2014, 05:18

His injuries will flatten out As his body gets used to it, but hes å serious talent
Johnson, harris, cummins

**Convict** · 8th January 2014, 07:24

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

Rumour has it the future of fast bowling will play in the BBL on Friday night for the Perth Scorchers.

Looking forward to his annual cricket appearance!

Didn't sound like last night when Gilly was talking to him and Langer.

Sounded like he'd play grade cricket this weekend first before they consider bringing him back.

**Random Aussie** · 8th January 2014, 07:36

Originally Posted by Convict

Didn't sound like last night when Gilly was talking to him and Langer.

Sounded like he'd play grade cricket this weekend first before they consider bringing him back.

Perhaps he could bowl four balls in beach cricket instead

**Red Devil** · 8th January 2014, 07:43

Whatever happened to Mitch Starc? Seems to have disappeared somewhere.

**Random Aussie** · 8th January 2014, 08:25

Originally Posted by ~Red Devil~

Whatever happened to Mitch Starc? Seems to have disappeared somewhere.

Injured. Which actually turned out very well for us, since MJ got picked to replace him

**Convict** · 8th January 2014, 08:30

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

Injured. Which actually turned out very well for us, since MJ got picked to replace him

MJ was always going to be picked ahead of Johnno after Invers saw his new bowling action/run up and ball control.

**Badsha** · 8th January 2014, 09:45

Really rated this lad

**Anfield** · 18th January 2015, 08:28

bowling well but who is going to replace him for the wc because I fully expect him to get unfit during this series.

**zabalestmsm** · 18th January 2015, 13:25

I am not impressed with him. Lacks lethality. And ok bowler. Not consistent.

**Random Aussie** · 19th January 2015, 07:43

Originally Posted by zabalestmsm

I am not impressed with him. Lacks lethality. And ok bowler. Not consistent.

Cant really judge him yet, this is the first time he has been fit long enough to play multiple games for about three years. Speed is starting to crank up, and so is his lines.

But we are excited about him as Test bowler, LO bowlers are just cannon fodder these days.

**Convict** · 19th January 2015, 11:58

Shouldn't be in the world cup team but I've seen enough to see why he is so highly rated.

Pity that the other youngster I really rate Joel Paris is just as injury prone. @Random Aussie , Paris redid his quad injury putting on his socks

**Junaids** · 19th January 2015, 13:51

Originally Posted by Random Aussie

Cant really judge him yet, this is the first time he has been fit long enough to play multiple games for about three years. Speed is starting to crank up, and so is his lines.

But we are excited about him as Test bowler, LO bowlers are just cannon fodder these days.

Convict and I have agreed in the past that Cummins is the real deal, but that serious injury was inevitable at that tender age.

Amir is a contemporary, and his 5 year ban has protected his body from this punishment.

**Random Aussie** · 19th January 2015, 13:55

Meanwhile Pattinson is bowling like a demon in the BBL. This is the first time I can remember all four of our future bowling attack are fit and playing regularly.

Now just one damn leg spinner from somewhere please

**Swanny** · 19th January 2015, 14:00

Man these young aus quick must be costing CA a ton of money d/t their injuries.

**ManFan** · 22nd March 2018, 21:47

Pat Cummins.

He’s done it again.

A brilliant spell of 4-13 in 8 consecutive overs of pace and just enough movement to get the edge. The way it should be, Mitchell Starc, take notes!

I have always found something special about Cummins that neither Starc nor Hazelwood have. He’s the perfect combination of the two. The pace and fire of Starc with the line and length of Hazelwood.

He was the highest wicket-taker in the Ashes, had a fantastic ODI series where he outshined everyone, and is doing the same again in the current Test series in SA.

Here’s to hopes that he remains injury free and takes heaps of wickets.

Well done and long may it continue.

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