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    PESHAWAR:

    Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leader and former senator Qazi Mohammad Anwar said that the PTI will hold intra-party elections in the first week of November. The elections will be held from the union council (UC) to the tehsil level, beginning with Islamabad.
    “We will be in a better position to conduct party elections after the voters list is complete. The list is yet to be completed in Balochistan and Sindh,” Anwar told a press conference at the Peshawar Press Club on Saturday.

    Elections will be held after Eidul Azha, probably from November 2, he said. About 7.5 million registered voters are expected to vote for candidates contesting for UC and district-level party portfolios, he added.

    The voter lists will also be posted on the party’s website.
    Any candidate found employing unfair means to influence the elections will be disqualified. Special attention will be given to make sure money is not distributed among party workers to buy their vote. Anwar said that candidates will not be allowed to contest under any specific panel.

    In K-P, 0.5 million voters are registered with the party, including those who registered through the SMS service. Elections will commence from DI Khan and Lakki Marwat.

    Elections committees have been set up in the province’s 23 districts with the exception of Torghar, where internal issues have kept the party from the district.

    A seven-day schedule will be announced to file nomination papers in the province. They will be scrutinised within two days following the deadline.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/454658/i...om-november-2/


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan88 View Post
    When the intra-party elections are done & dusted it won't leave enough time to get ready for the real deal.

    I recently returned from Pindi after spending a month there and witnessed the PML(N) election machinery close hand. PTI is nowhere near to challenging those folks in terms of competence and campaign know how.

    Chaudhry Nisar and Shakil Awan are on another level at this moment, but Hanif Abassi is on shaky grounds, but then again, he has always been a lota.
    We will be done by the end of Dec with intra party elections all over pakistan. Our goal is to bring the sleeping majority out to vote on election day. If we succeed in bringing 60% of Voters out on election day we will win. Ch Nisar and Shakil Awan are relying on the traditional voters.


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    Final List of candidates contesting for UC Elections is also up. 506 Candidates contesting for 44 Union councils.


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    Quote Originally Posted by insaftak View Post
    We will be done by the end of Dec with intra party elections all over pakistan. Our goal is to bring the sleeping majority out to vote on election day. If we succeed in bringing 60% of Voters out on election day we will win. Ch Nisar and Shakil Awan are relying on the traditional voters.
    How can we conclude the party elections till Dec? The whole schedule hasnt been announced yet and it looks highly unlikely that it will end in Dec. I will be more than happy if they can finish Islamabad,KPK & Punjab till Dec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insaftak View Post
    Final List of candidates contesting for UC Elections is also up. 506 Candidates contesting for 44 Union councils.
    I had heard that there will be 883 candidates.

    Still 506 is a good number of candidates. Hope all goes well.

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    Have heard rumors that PTI Intra party elections which are starting from Islamabad on the 2nd of November has been delayed.

    Seems like these party elections will make or break PTI. Imran Khan must focus towards this, otherwise it will be too late.

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    ^^^

    Where did you hear that bro... I have heard nothing about it... That would be disastrous if it does happen.


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    A friend living in Islamabad told me about this. I also hope it just a rumor becs we can't afford any more delays.

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    ^ I havent heard anything about this either. And I hope this is not true


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    ‘PTI members who are eligible to vote number 350,000’

    Around 7 million members were expected to participate in intra-party elections.

    LAHORE:
    Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf’s (PTI) has only 350,000 members who are eligible to vote, despite its claims that the party’s registered members in Pakistan exceed 10 million, sources familiar with the matter revealed.

    Speaking to The Express Tribune, PTI’s Central Information Secretary, Shafqat Mehmood, had claimed on October 25 that around 7 million PTI members will participate in the intra-party elections through the Short Message Service (SMS), scheduled from November 2 till the end of December.

    All PTI members were asked to send an SMS on the official Election Commission of Pakistan number 8300 and confirm whether their vote was registered and then subsequently send an SMS on 80022, the PTI SMS group.

    After the verification process, it was revealed that only 350,000 members were eligible to vote. In the aftermath of this setback, the PTI decided to hold its elections only in the Islamabad Capital Territory at first, sources said.

    In August 2012, PTI had said its membership in Pakistan exceeded 10 million members, making it the largest political party in the country.
    Party leaders hoped that the number would translate into votes at the general elections. It is pertinent to mention that PPP had won the last elections with approximately 10.5 million votes.

    To put things into perspective, Karachi had more seats than any other city in the national and provincial legislatures, and has a total of 6.6 million registered voters. Only 3.9 million could be verified. A glaring 2.7 million entries were false. Similarly, Lahore has a total of 3.7 million registered voters. Among them 2.1 million have been declared genuine and the remaining 1.6 million could not be verified, PTI leaders claimed.

    Mehmood told The Express Tribune that so far, 7 million people have responded through the SMS service. He said that there were standards set by the PTI to verify those members who will send an SMS to make sure they are eligible voters and ask the local union council of the place where they resided to prevent duplications or any other error.
    He added that in the first phase, elections will be held in the Islamabad Capital Territory, followed by Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa in the second. Elections in the other three provinces will be held in the third phase.

    The elections will first be conducted at the union council level, followed by the elections at the district, regional, provincial and national levels.


    Published in The Express Tribune, October 31st, 2012.
    Last edited by AZ; 31st October 2012 at 12:07.


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    I can just confirm from a reliable source that there may be a slight delay in Islamabad elections due to voter list issue. There hasnt been any official statement yet. Hope everything goes fine.

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    *PTI party polls may be delayed.


    ISLAMABAD: The first phase of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf intra-party elections in Islamabad slated for November 02 is most likely to be delayed yet again after several party veterans at a meeting aired strong reservations over what they alleged as pre-poll rigging.
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    An insider revealed to The News here Tuesday night that some party activists even approached Imran Khan and the party’s chief election commissioner Hamid Khan for deletion of bogus voters from the lists prior to going for the exercise.
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    Two groups - Dream Team and Shaheen Group - are to contest for party slots in Islamabad’s 42 union councils. In this connection, a meeting here at PTI’s Central Secretariat saw a heated exchange of arguments among the participants about presence of thousands of bogus names in voter lists. “I have no information that the poll has been delayed,” remarked PTI’s information secretary Shafqat Mehmood, when this correspondent approached him on telephone. A similar reply was received from the party’s election commission secretary Raoof Hasan, when contacted on phone. Hasan said they were fully prepared to conduct the election in a fair and transparent manner and had no information about postponement of the same.
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    It was learnt that an Islamabad central office-bearer was trying to influence the proposed poll, as he wanted to see persons of his choice elected from the local district. “In each union council’s voter lists, there are 300 bogus voters, having affiliation with this particular group, which comprises mostly new faces,” a diehard PTI worker claimed while talking to this correspondent.


    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...may-be-delayed

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    can PTI boycott this election?

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    hang on, people will vote via SMS?


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    Quote Originally Posted by insaftak View Post
    We will be done by the end of Dec with intra party elections all over pakistan. Our goal is to bring the sleeping majority out to vote on election day. If we succeed in bringing 60% of Voters out on election day we will win. Ch Nisar and Shakil Awan are relying on the traditional voters.
    I doubt intra-party elections will be over with by December. Your party has no organisational structure and zero experience on how to deal with dissent on occasions like these.

    Like i said before, PTI is a party in shambles just 4-5 months before elections are due. That does not bode well even for tried and tested 'failures' like PPP/PML(N). PTI toh phir abhi test tube baby hai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I can just confirm from a reliable source that there may be a slight delay in Islamabad elections due to voter list issue. There hasnt been any official statement yet. Hope everything goes fine.
    Just heard from a source that is close to one of the Central executive member. not sure if it's voting issue because I talked to one person in Election Cell Punjab and he said it's not registered voters issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
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    There is rebuttal coming for this already denied by two people that work closely with intra party election. Just yesterday they had article with 45,000 attending PTI Lahore Jalsa. they have a habit of missing a 0
    Last edited by insaftak; 1st November 2012 at 00:59.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan88 View Post
    I doubt intra-party elections will be over with by December. Your party has no organisational structure and zero experience on how to deal with dissent on occasions like these.

    Like i said before, PTI is a party in shambles just 4-5 months before elections are due. That does not bode well even for tried and tested 'failures' like PPP/PML(N). PTI toh phir abhi test tube baby hai.
    the consistent delays are troubling and looks like there is another delay in Islamabad. Need to get this over and focus.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    *PTI party polls may be delayed.


    ISLAMABAD: The first phase of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf intra-party elections in Islamabad slated for November 02 is most likely to be delayed yet again after several party veterans at a meeting aired strong reservations over what they alleged as pre-poll rigging.
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    An insider revealed to The News here Tuesday night that some party activists even approached Imran Khan and the party’s chief election commissioner Hamid Khan for deletion of bogus voters from the lists prior to going for the exercise.
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    Two groups - Dream Team and Shaheen Group - are to contest for party slots in Islamabad’s 42 union councils. In this connection, a meeting here at PTI’s Central Secretariat saw a heated exchange of arguments among the participants about presence of thousands of bogus names in voter lists. “I have no information that the poll has been delayed,” remarked PTI’s information secretary Shafqat Mehmood, when this correspondent approached him on telephone. A similar reply was received from the party’s election commission secretary Raoof Hasan, when contacted on phone. Hasan said they were fully prepared to conduct the election in a fair and transparent manner and had no information about postponement of the same.
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    It was learnt that an Islamabad central office-bearer was trying to influence the proposed poll, as he wanted to see persons of his choice elected from the local district. “In each union council’s voter lists, there are 300 bogus voters, having affiliation with this particular group, which comprises mostly new faces,” a diehard PTI worker claimed while talking to this correspondent.


    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...may-be-delayed
    Both Dream Team and Shaheen Group are old groups from Islamabad not new groups.


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    LAHORE:
    Two candidates with contrasting styles representing two different strands within the party are set to battle it out for the slot of Punjab president at Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) elections scheduled in December.

    Ahsan Rasheed has formally launched his campaign and his allies are approaching party members to seek their vote. Meanwhile, Ejaz Chaudhry has been meeting with close aides to discuss his campaign, party sources said.

    Rasheed was a founding member of the PTI and has previously served as Punjab president of the party, though by appointment and not by election. He had no previous experience in politics, but is very close to party chief Imran Khan, the party sources said. His strong loyalty to Khan means he has the support of party workers similarly in thrall to the top leadership, they said. He also has the support of Mian Azhar, a heavyweight politician from Lahore who has been with the party for two years.

    Chaudhry, meanwhile, was an active member of a religious political party before joining the PTI in 2007. The party sources said that he had the backing of Javed Hashmi, a former colleague of his in the Jamaat-i-Islami and the PML-Nawaz stalwart who caused a stir by defecting to the Tehreek-i-Insaf last year. Chaudhry had been responsible for the handsome welcome afforded to Hashmi upon his first visit to Lahore after joining the PTI.

    Both candidates are Arain. The sources said that caste did not have as much of a role in elections as in other parties. They said that the main difference between them was how they would act in office. They said that Rasheed, as a strong Khan-loyalist, would show no dissent to his leader and do as he is told. Chaudhry, they said, was more independent.

    The PTI sources said that Rasheed’s main asset were his strong social skills that made him popular among party workers. They said that Chaudhry had greater political vision and experience. They said that the PTI Punjab president slot was one of the most important in the party.

    Asked if he would stand in the party election, Chaudhry said that if he was asked to do so by friends and workers, “it would be an honour”. He denied that he had the backing of Hashmi.
    Published in The Express Tribune, October 30th, 2012.
    Even this news don't have correct information as both Ejaz Chahdury and Ehsan Rasheed are Old PTI members with both groups having backing of some new entrants.


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    According to a close source, party elections starting from Islamabad has been delayed.
    May be another two weeks delay. Frankly speaking, I dont see these party elections happening. It will be postponed soon & will happen after general elections.
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    As theres no time left till General Elections, PTI should call off these party elections and should start naming candidates for every constituency. It will only harm PTI if they still persist with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ View Post
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    Asad Umar also denied this report via twitter..

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    So its OFFICIAL now. PTI party elections which was about to start from this Friday 2nd of Nov has been delayed due to voter lists issue. The new date will be announced after CEC Meeting scheduled for November 5.


    http://www.insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/ar...medium=twitter

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    Another article published regarding PTI Party elections. Now thats worrying if true.


    ISLAMABAD: The PTI Chairman Imran Khan’s old party fellows have raised serious objections over the transparency of upcoming Nov 2 internal elections, describing the whole exercise merely a “fraud” with devoted party activists.
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    “We would be left with no choice but to seek legal redress and such a step may lead to public disclosure of the electoral fraud that is being enacted under the guise of bringing a truly democratic PTI leadership to the fore,” reads their jointly written letter to election in-Charge Hamid Khan.
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    The letter, available with The News duly signed by 14 founding PTI members, focuses on what they write ‘bogus voters lists,’ ‘mode of voting’ and ‘nomination of the candidates’. It is also sent to other senior party leaders.
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    They include Jamil Abbassi, Mahmood Khan, Ali Awan, Mrs. Fauzia Arshad, Irfan, Nafeesa Khattak, PTI’s ex-Islamabad President Ch. Ilyas Meharban — PTI nominated Candidate for NA-49.
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    The entire responsibility for the loss of credibility in such an eventuality would rest with those dishonest and unfaithful party officials who are managing the intra party elections, according to the letter.
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    “The planned PTI elections are not only rigged and fraudulent but it would also destroy the party’s credibility beyond redemption and with this letter we are making a final attempt to redress internally fundamental issues of electoral transparency.”
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    They pointed out that the names of thousands of registered voters were missing from the voters lists. “Bogus CNIC numbers have been used to register voters,” putting the credibility of both the elections and the party at stake. Individuals with bogus CNIC numbers and no cell phone number have also been registered as PTI voters. Since the mode of voting is electronic, such bogus voters would seriously undermine the transparency of the entire electoral process.”
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    They reminded the party leadership that the PTI had boycotted the by-polls because of bogus electoral lists. “How can we, the dedicated members of PTI, be expected to participate in PTI intra party elections scheduled for Islamabad on bogus voters lists?
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    “The eligibility or disqualification criteria of candidates, they said, have not been specified. Out of a total of 884 nomination papers submitted, 378 or almost 43 percent of the nominations were rejected without assigning any reason in writing except being verbally informed that their names were not in the voter lists.”
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    “The party positions to be contested in the elections have not been specified nor has the Election Commission specified who would be elected on what position after counting of votes.“These are serious violations of any electoral process leave alone a party that claims to be the champions of free and fair elections.”
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    They said that despite requests, the mode of voting has neither been defined nor specified. “The EC’s specification just a few days before the polling day totally defies the PTI’s public stance of setting an example of transparent elections.”
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    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-New...in-party-polls

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    Bhai ka naya paigham " Election tou hone nahi waale , PTI leaders ko bolo chooran becho "


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    ^^ the name in the article are some high profile names from Islamabad Chapter. this is a huge task and Imran Khan on Islamabad airport said we will go on with the election process.

    Chalo acha he kia ke delay ker diye

    Here is a report that came out after PTI UK elections investigated by Justice Shaiq Usmani.

    http://www.insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/ar...iq-Usmani.aspx


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    Its about time they should call off these elections. I fear party will collapse if that happens and no one will accept the result.

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    ^^

    Nope. P in PTI is for processes and we improve our processes with more experience, we learnt a lot from UK elections and that is being implemented in this election. The greater the risk the greater the reward.

    turning back on this would be a bigger blow although there is a growing number within party that wants to put these elections away. I am not in favor of it.


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    This is big setback.

    But PTI is going through a process that isnt easy. And there will be problems.


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    Nafeesa Khattak has been providing a lot of financial resources to the party for a while now. she is the lady in top pic right in the middle





    Last edited by insaftak; 2nd November 2012 at 07:03.


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    An important announcement will be made on Tuesday regarding party elections. Hope for the best.

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    What is the latest on this issue Insafians?

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    ^^

    Haven't heard anything... checking up with a sauce right now... I hope it's not another delay


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    PTI Islamabad elections Schedule will be announced Tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    An important announcement will be made on Tuesday regarding party elections. Hope for the best.
    Quote Originally Posted by ahsan88 View Post
    What is the latest on this issue Insafians?
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    PTI Islamabad elections Schedule will be announced Tomorrow.
    the press release has been sent to insaf.pk admins but they haven't updated anything yet.

    Waisaay PAF bahi aap ke source kon hai...Pehlaay say pata tha ke tuesday ko announcement ho ge


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    Quote Originally Posted by insaftak View Post
    the press release has been sent to insaf.pk admins but they haven't updated anything yet.

    Waisaay PAF bahi aap ke source kon hai...Pehlaay say pata tha ke tuesday ko announcement ho ge
    Insaftak, it was mentioned in the press release when they delayed the elections. And jaha tak sources ki baat hai, I've regular contact with PTI Officials at local level;)

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    According to a source the dates for Islamabad Elections will be announced in the next few hours via a Press Conference.

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    even though everything is going against the plans.... party elections got delayed, big guns started leaving etc etc still my gut says p.t.i is inshaALLAH going to win the coming general elections....... n this belief keeps getting stronger n stronger with every passing day

    m not making this up at all, this is just how i really feel.

    we're inshaALLAH going to beat both shareefs n zardaris.

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    Well this reminds me of one of the book I read "Who moved my cheese " the story of two mice, one took the risk and started looking for new place when cheese stopped coming and the other stayed there and prayed more cheese would come. The one stayed back never got the cheese.

    The moral of the story is that people are always hesitant of change, but one should not fearful of risk and follow the change when it is necessary ..


    Anyone who doubt that PTI won't make it please read this

    http://www.amazon.com/Who-Moved-My-C.../dp/0399144463


    A boat is safe in the harbor. But this is not the purpose of a boat." ~ Paulo Coelho


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    According to an UnOfficial source, Election date for Islamabad at UC Level is 15th November.


    I hope it will be announced Officialy today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    According to an UnOfficial source, Election date for Islamabad at UC Level is 15th November.


    I hope it will be announced Officialy today.
    hope everything goes right this time around n we somehow manage to shut the haters up inshaALLAH.

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    PTI Vice President Asad Umar has just tweeted that PTI Islamabad election will happen on 18th November.

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    A must read written by Akbar Sher babar on PTI Party elections.
    Seems like all is not well & he has given some valid points.


    BY Akbar s. Babur.
    In December 2011, I had written that “I can also foresee that for us to succeed politically in the new age of intrusive electronic media, we have to demonstrate through our actions that we practice what we preach. And, that we are indeed different by showing to the people that we have the necessary internal structures in place. If we are able to do this, there is no stopping the PTI.”


    After 9 months of proudly announcing free and fair intra party elections that would be “an example for the Election Commission of Pakistan to emulate” where does the PTI find itself only a few months before the national elections?
    The intra party elections continue to be delayed due to multiple reasons ranging from questions about its transparency to lack of electoral details? While the other parties are mobilizing themselves for the national elections, the PTI is embroiled in a never ending intra party electioneering which has taken its toll on the party. I remember debating the reasons for the succession of East Pakistan with IK on a number of occasions. Obviously, there is a long list of follies that eventually led to the dismemberment of the country. One reason commonly cited was the almost a year long election campaign prior to the 1970 elections. The long election campaign led to separatists gaining political ground in East Pakistan by deepening the already serious divisions between the East and West Pakistan.

    The long drawn PTI electoral exercise has also created deep divisions within the party. Even if intra party elections are held transparently as of yesterday, these divisions would manifest itself negatively in the national elections. And, God forbid if intra party elections are conducted the way they were planned in Islamabad and rightly postponed at the last moment, the party would implode. And, if the party elections are indefinitely postponed with arbitrary decisions about who should lead the party into national elections, the consequences would be no less bad. The dilemma of holding intra party elections, leave alone fair or crooked, followed immediately with another divisive milestone that of awarding party tickets makes the present predicament of the party even more complex.
    The party seems to be caught between the rock and a hard place.
    To understand the dilemma facing the PTI, it is important to understand how people act in a given situation and why. I had stated in an earlier piece “on how I normally evaluate policy direction and political strategy of friends/foes alike. First and foremost is to understand the value system of your friends and foes to predict their strategic choices. Secondly, what are their motives to support or oppose a certain course of action? If one is clear about the value system and motives of friends/foes, their choices in a given situation are not difficult to predict.”

    If the motives of those controlling the nuts and bolts of a political machine such as the PTI are not straight, politically correct but practically challenging decisions such as holding intra party elections can backfire. IK is “not a details man.” Convince him on the values of a policy direction no matter how unconventional he would go for it. But if those convincing him on a value based policy are crooked in their intentions and/or incapable of managing the details, chaos is a natural consequence.
    When the PTI intra party elections were announced my reaction in March this year was quote The announcement of the party elections is positive news holding of real and transparent elections would require a monumental organizational effort. The PTI would have to turn a new leaf of holding transparent elections …..If the PTI succeeds in holding of transparent elections, it would allow the party to rebound after the Tsunami dip. The flip side of a flawed electoral process may seriously erode the PTI’s claim of a credible political alternative and also lead to further factionalism which the party can ill afford so close to national elections unquote.

    In August this year I had also stated that quote the motives for holding party elections were to democratize the party and ensure that the emerging PTI leadership represents the aspirations of the majority PTI members. Whereas, some new political entrants to the party fear that the internal party elections are meant to sideline them as they do not have roots in the party and thus would be at a disadvantage while contesting for party positions unquote.

    In earlier pieces I had also explained the dire need of meticulously working out all the electoral details. The postponed Islamabad elections proved my worst fears that the entire electoral exercise was so poorly planned and executed that it would have made any independent election observer scream FOUL. Even if by some miracle, the PTI is able to correct all the electoral gaps and holds transparent elections, under the present scheme of things whereby any contestant securing maximum votes becomes the president of the UC and so on, there is a strong possibility of a plumber being elected to the post of an electrician. In my opinion, the UC level direct elections should be panel based with a strong element of proportional representation to make the results all inclusive.
    On a more practical and political note, did the people of Pakistan ever demand that the party should hold intra party elections in an election year? No. All the people, particularly in the urban areas, expected from the PTI was to present a new set of people with credible credentials to reverse the national downslide and start the process of national reconstruction. If the PTI wanted to set a new precedent of bringing to the fore a new leadership elected by the party members, it should have done it in a minimum time span and gone on to organize its election campaign. Thus, allowing it sufficient time to heal the internal divisive wounds and focus entirely on the external challenges.

    Remember, we are NOT a democratic society and losing means, more often then not, a personal vendetta against the winner no matter how fair the process.
    In this pre-election 2013 phase, PTI is in its eleventh hour. All is not lost. To return to good health, what the PTI needs is an expert surgeon who knows where and how deep the incision should be to remove the cancerous growth threatening the vital organs of the organization. No body can function normally if its vital organs turn cancerous. No matter what the restraining factors which may be deeply personal, no one should be allowed to play havoc with the hope for change.
    The postponed sham PTI Islamabad elections have proved beyond any shadow of doubt that the present PTI Election Commission has neither the intention nor the ability to conduct transparent elections. The only way forward is:
    Establishment of a new PTI Election Commission.

    Each step of the entire electoral process must be clearly defined and made available on PTI website for comments/feedback.
    The voter lists should be cleaned and should include all registered PTI members with electronic version of voter lists posted on PTI website for verification.
    The above analysis and conclusion is my opinion. Let me go a step further and predict the possibilities of what is likely to happen knowing who controls what in PTI:
    The PTI is able to hold transparent elections under the present Election Commission. Possibility: Remote.
    The PTI is able to constitute a new Election Commission which, after burning midnight oil, is able to hold fairly transparent elections.
    Possibility: Remote.
    The present PTI Election Commission continues to muddle through the electoral process after some window dressing.
    Possibility: Highly likely.
    Who is responsible for putting the party in the vortex of quick sand when the stakes are so high? Who is responsible for leading the party downhill from a seemingly unassailable position last October? Political parties lose ground after coming to power based on their poor performance. Incumbency factor is normally a killer for the popularity of a political party in power more so for in societies such as ours which are sliding to new lows. In the negative sense, the PTI seems to have set a political first by losing political foothold gained after 15 years of relentless efforts even before coming to power. Again, under whose watch has the PTI drifted to the edge of the precipice and why? Or is the PTI leadership convinced that despite all their blunders, the frustration of the people would force them to vote PTI into power?
    The answers are clear for some one who knows who is capable of what within the party. But I have tried to be subtle in my analysis so as not to provide ammunition to PTI detractors. I am also writing this piece now as I hate to be part of the army of hindsight commentators with their endless analysis after the event.
    A dear friend of yester years never missed an opportunity to lecture me on the virtues of being just even when judging enemies. When his opportunity came to judge a friend, he threw the entire chapter on basic justice out of the window. We all change with time but some people change beyond recognition.
    No amount of evidence, rationale, and logic has convinced those who matter in PTI about correcting course. When someone recently asked me to describe in one sentence of what is happening to PTI, my response was “the ship is sinking, the rats are jumping, while those responsible are busy frolicking.” The PTI since last October resembles a plane flown by a Kamikaze pilot who is jammed to the joystick.
    Every night before going to sleep, I pray for forgiveness and some divine intervention for better sense to prevail. So far my prayers have gone unheeded.

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    ^^ Very interesting read. TFS.

    I remember when Javed Hashmi sb joined, all Insafians were quick to point out that they have found the perfect man who will organize the party nationally. Whatever happened to the PTI's "organizational skills".

    Quite sad to be honest. I was really looking forward to a third party giving the established two a run for their money.

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    PTI clean sweep no tension


    Join PTI in the Revolt for Freedom

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    PTI needs to start focusing on the national elections now if it has any chance of wining 20 seats


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    On a more practical and political note, did the people of Pakistan ever demand that the party should hold intra party elections in an election year? No. All the people, particularly in the urban areas, expected from the PTI was to present a new set of people with credible credentials to reverse the national downslide and start the process of national reconstruction. If the PTI wanted to set a new precedent of bringing to the fore a new leadership elected by the party members, it should have done it in a minimum time span and gone on to organize its election campaign. Thus, allowing it sufficient time to heal the internal divisive wounds and focus entirely on the external challenges.

    totally spot on here.


    A dear friend of yester years never missed an opportunity to lecture me on the virtues of being just even when judging enemies. When his opportunity came to judge a friend, he threw the entire chapter on basic justice out of the window. We all change with time but some people change beyond recognition.

    ye kiski baat ho rahi hai...


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    sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/132598_469156983135944_180969623_o.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
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    That should be interesting


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    I think one built in problem with PTI is that it relies a lot on part time politicians. It is also our strength and weakness too because people with responsibilities of various party offices have to focus on their careers too.


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    It seems like UC elections will be held in every Province first & only afterwards they'll do the Provisional & District level elections.


    Before I thought that they'll finish election at every level in the Province & then move to the other

    Things still are very unclear. I dont know why the EC doesnt announce all the procedure, schedule & mechanism to stop the confusion among PTI.

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    I am confused as well. I still dont understand the election mechanism.


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    ^^

    that's a fair point. Don't know why they are playing it so close to chest. I think they are afraid of vultures in media/opposition that are waiting for PTI to screw up.

    Even my sauce in Punjab Election cell was pretty annoyed with Asad Umar for tweeting the election was going to be held in Islamabad on 18th.


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    This is what Saad Abdullah had to say after I asked about party's election, the delay's and about the election procedure. Im sharing with you guys.

    Alot of hanky panky had been uncovered in Voters lists of Islamabad ,That is why party is now more careful.About election,they plan to do it district wise .Means in each district process will completed from UC uptil District level.First one to go is Islamabad.I wish Islamabad elections are completed without further delays and without any complaints.because currently the position is that 1 of the groups in ISB had showed clear dissatisfaction and it was on their petition that IK had to postpone the election there.


    Regarding procedures I did talk to Hamid Khan sometimes back,he told me that a CD will be circulated in whole of Pakistan in which complete procedure of election & other modatlities etc willl be demonstrated with help of visual graphics.I am also waiting for this CD to come out.Other then that in our new constitution there is a whole procedure given of the election from UC to Center you can get a copy of it and study it out yourself.

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    The Central Election Commission (CEC) of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has announced that the Intra-Party Election in Islamabad will be held on November 18.

    The Electoral Lists and the particulars of the contesting candidates for various UCs have also been finalised. Interested parties can collect these from the CEC office in Islamabad from November 12 onwards.


    Central Election Commission
    Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
    House 2 (Annexe), Street 88, G 6/3
    Islamabad
    If you fail once you must try try again Here we go again. Hope things go well this time.


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    Central Election Commission (CEC) of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has notified the constitution of the Provincial and District Election Committees for Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK).

    These committees have been entrusted with the challenging task of conducting the Intra-Party Election in the province in a fair and transparent manner so as to transform PTI into the first fully democratic political party of Pakistan.




    Central Election Commission
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    House 2 (Annexe), Street 88, G 6/3
    Islamabad
    You could check out the complete list of KP Election commissioners on this link

    http://www.insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/ar...s-for-KPK.aspx


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    Good poster. Well made. I think we should spread it guys. On facebook ect.

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    Finnally some details coming out. Still one mistake being made here.. should publish the candidate code on website too so everyone knows who the candidates are and how to vote them in.


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    I've some reservations on the voting system through mobile phone. How can they conduct it freely when the person will not be present. Anyone can have different CNIC and can vote many times. Can some clarify about this?

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    ^^

    at most you will be able to vote for Your family members. Yes there is a flaw in this system but the fact is everyone will have to deal with that.


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    Central Election Commission (CEC) of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has notified the Heads of the Provincial and District Election Committees for Punjab.

    These committees are being entrusted with the challenging task of conducting the Intra-Party Election in the province in a fair and transparent manner so as to transform PTI into the first fully democratic political party of Pakistan.


    Central Election Commission
    Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
    You could check the Names of District and Provincial Election commissioners here

    http://www.insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/ar...b-CEC-PTI.aspx


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    Finally some signs of progress.


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    PTI ELECTION DEBATE 2012 – FIRST POLITICAL EVENT OF ITS KIND IN PAKISTAN!


    Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) is going to make history by becoming the first political party in Pakistan to introduce pre-election debate, on Saturday, 17th November, 2012 in Peshawar. It is a step towards creating real democracy and to add more democratic values in the party.

    This unique event will give PTI members, a chance to hear what all the top PTI party candidates of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, between new and old faces, have to say about key policy issues and it will allow them to make a better informed choice on Election Day.

    The event has been conceived and is being organised by the Insaf Professional Forum KP with the official patronage of the PTI Provincial Election Commission KP.

    PTI wants a democracy where all voices are heard and seen to be heard. The desired outcome would be a knowledgeable electorate that will hold its leaders to account and turn up for the election and vote intelligently, in favour of better leadership.

    EVENT SUMMARY: “PTI ELECTION DEBATE 2012” in Peshawar is the first of a series of events being organised by the Professional Forum on Saturday, Nov 17th 2012 under the patronage of Adv. Qazi Muhammad Anwar (Chief, Provincial Election Commissioner KP) & Prof Dr Mehr Taj Roghani (Convener PTI KP). Meanwhile, Adv. Hamid Khan would be the Chief Guest. In this event PTI members would be oriented about voting methods and how to cast a ‘smart vote’. PTI KP Newsletter would be launched, and information leaflets about voting method would be distributed. An orientation CD about the PTI election process would also be screened before the audience. Moreover, potential candidates would be given an opportunity to present their future vision within the framework of the party manifesto on specific subjects, with an open Q&A session - like western democracy styled debates, but within our own cultural context and keeping in view our own local dynamics - before a select gathering of relevant Electoral College/ public, media and monitoring observers. The process will give all leaders regardless of their backgrounds and resources, a level playing field.
    http://www.insaf.pk/News/tabid/60/ar...eir-plans.aspx

    Excellent stuff by Insaf Professional Forum


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    This is wonderful.


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    ^^

    Yup. very excited as usual setting trends in pakistani politics. PTI is amazing


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    Does anyone know whether we will see a preelection debate in Islamabad elections aswell?

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    ^^

    I think debate will be only for Provincial offices. Since Islamabad is only a district I don't see it happening in Islamabad. Not sure though.


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    and now rumors are there will be no debate I want the debate to go ahead.


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    I talked to someone in Islamabad and the person says there are 7 groups vying for power but only three groups are serious contenders. 1 is led by Amir Mugal/Zaid Abbasi, 2nd is led by Ali Awan/Ahsan Mansoor and third is led by Ilyas Mehrban
    Last edited by insaftak; 15th November 2012 at 00:52.


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    ^Mehrban should win this


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    ^^

    It would be one hell of a fight. I think it will be a two way fight between Ali Awan group vs Amir Mughal group.

    Ali Awan Group's ALL UC President meeting







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    I really hope Isb elections go ahead as scheduled and then there are no such delays for other elections. Debate is an interesting idea but hopefully it goes ahead as planned. What i fear is that party members may turn against each other as a result of debates and elections as it has never happened before and we are not mature enough as yet.

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    so the codes have been given to the candidates already. Need to publish them to insaf.pk too.



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    Really excited about these elections. Hope everything goes well on the 18th Nov for Islamabad elections. #PTI

    Have heard tomorrow is going to be a debate among the top candidates in KPK. All necessary information will be shared like how can members vote and about smart card voting. Also a CD will be played where everything about these elections will be presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insaftak View Post
    and now rumors are there will be no debate I want the debate to go ahead.
    debates are still on for the 17th

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    Voting in Islamabad has started.

    Wishing everyone who's participating in it good luck.


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    This is what these guys are fighting for...

    1) is about powers of UC Presidents
    2) is about all members of UC and their role in Tehsil level politics.
    3) is about presidents of UC and their role in Tehsil level politics.
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