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    Players that were highly talented but couldn't cut it at international level

    Each country has their special player who has all the talent and you think they are destined for success.

    Pakistan has M sami
    India have rohit
    Bangladeh have M ashraful
    England owais shah
    Aussie have shaun tait
    South africa wayne parnell?
    West indies tino best



    any others?

    for me M sami ,, rohit and ashraful top the list of the biggest flops as all have been given extended chances and runs


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    Shuan Tait....

    He was main part in winning the WC2007, third highest wicket taker when bret lee was injured.

    11 matches took 23 wickets at an average 20.30, only 3 less than Mcgrath[that is record for most wicket in WC in same WC].


    So Shuan tait exactly isn't a flop dude

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    Ashraful is better than Sami. Averaging in 20s with the bat is not as bad as 55/ 60 or whatever it is the Sami averages with the ball. aSHRAFUL also has a few test hundreds.

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    South Africa-Tahir and Levi
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    Hasan Raza from Pakistan, always though he had a lot of potential

    Mohammed Ashraful from Bangladesh

    Ravi Bopara from England

    Piyush Chawla from India

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    Re: Players that were highly talented but couldn't cut it at international level

    Umar Akmal


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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Umar Akmal
    Lmao.

    Although he has time on his side. He could turn over a new leaf and find a brain.

    But i highly doubt it.



    Habibul Bashar is another one that comes to my mind.


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    I heard Mansoor Akhtar from Pakistan was highly talented but was not mentally strong to perform at international level

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    The biggest underachievers. Mark ramprakash and Graeme hick

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_ahm View Post
    Hasan Raza from Pakistan, always though he had a lot of potential

    Mohammed Ashraful from Bangladesh

    Ravi Bopara from England

    Piyush Chawla from India
    Hassan Raza's technique was poor. A bit of chin music and the square leg umpire would have to push him back on to the playing strip.

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    Brendon McCullum tops the list.


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    Pakistan have Talented Umar akmal who can not Perform in International level

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    Virat Kohli.



    Jk. I think that Azhar Mahmood isn't exactly a flop but could have accomplished a lot more. Ramps and Yasir Hameed come to mind.


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    Sajid Mahmood. all the tools in the world and he is still bad.

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    Asif Mujtaba
    M Sami
    Shabbir Ahmad
    M Zahid
    Rana Naveed
    Umar Akmal
    Asim Kamal
    Bazid Khan
    Zahid Fazal

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    Muhammad Wasim Pakistan
    Ramesh Sadagoppan India.
    Prithiv Patel, India
    Muhammad Kaif India
    Wasim Jaffer India
    Cameron White Australia.

    There should be another thread.
    Crappy players who consistently made it to their national teams.
    Imran Farhat will top that list.

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    From Pak : Yasir Hameed, Bazid khan , Sami and Yasir Arafat (He was a brilliant AR for Sussex)


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    Hick and Ramprakash

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-1 View Post
    From Pak : Yasir Hameed, Bazid khan , Sami and Yasir Arafat (He was a brilliant AR for Sussex)
    First I thought he got games because of his father but his List A record is really good, way way better than the likes of :umarakmal by a margin of 10 ! (and the sample is more than decent : +110 matches.)
    I mean, averaging 45 in List A... I don't think that any of our intl. batsmen average that much.

    Did he deserve more chances ? He's only 31, and his last game was a T20 in Dec 2012 so he didn't give up cricket... perhaps will pull out a in the (near) future ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DARK MAGICIAN View Post
    Sajid Mahmood. all the tools in the world and he is still bad.
    But he didnt have 1 tool...

    Which is a brain!!

    Hence he couldnt make it

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    Players that were highly talented but couldn't cut it at international level

    Ricardo Powell and White.

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    First name which came to my mind is Hasan Raza


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    Ramprakash and Hick

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    Players that were highly talented but couldn't cut it at international level

    Kabir Ali?


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    Usman Afzaal

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    Jesse Ryder for reasons off the pitch.


    Seems to be correcting his issues though.


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    Apart from the obvious choices of Hicks and Ramps,

    V Kambli

    Brad Hodge


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    Farhat, Hasan Raza.


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    M Sami - PAK
    U Akmal - PAK
    M Kaif - Ind
    Ram Parkash - Eng
    Wasim Jaffer - Ind


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    Quote Originally Posted by akheR View Post
    First I thought he got games because of his father but his List A record is really good, way way better than the likes of :umarakmal by a margin of 10 ! (and the sample is more than decent : +110 matches.)
    I mean, averaging 45 in List A... I don't think that any of our intl. batsmen average that much.

    Did he deserve more chances ? He's only 31, and his last game was a T20 in Dec 2012 so he didn't give up cricket... perhaps will pull out a in the (near) future ?


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    Me.

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    Graeme Hick, no competition


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    Wayne Phillips (the first one) - Australia - brilliant batsman but was forced to take up the gloves and a wonderful career was ruined

    Stuart Law - Australia: My favourite player. In another era, he would have been a world beater. Instead he played at a time, when Australians had Mark Waugh, David Boon, Alan Border, Greg Blewett, Steve Waugh, Ponting, Langer, Hayden, Slater, Gilchrist, even Elliot; both Elliot and Blewett should have been all-time greats but didn't make it.

    Mansoor Akhtar - Pakistan - just couldn't click when it mattered

    Sandeep Patil - India: The original Sehwag? May be! Absolutely brilliant player of fast-bowling - was undone by Imran Khan but should have been persisted with; anyone who can hit Bob Willis for six fours in an over and who can score 174 on an Australian wicket should have deserved a consistent run.

    Chetan Sharma - India: A brisk, skiddy fast-medium bowler, he was quicker than Kapil Dev. Should have been India's mainstay in the 1980s and early 1990s. Instead, the Javed Miandad six and a flurry of sixes by Wasim Akram in Nagpur a year later undermined him unfairly. Two years later, Gordon Greenidge hit a then record eight or nine sixes, hitting everyone, including Kapil Dev, but only the ones hit off Sharma were remembered. He remained the only Indian fast-bowler to take 10 wickets in a match overseas until Prasad did so in South Africa in 1996. For the record, Kapil Dev did it only twice and both at home. Showed he could bat a bit too with a surprise 100 against England in the Nehru Cup and then hitting Geoff Lawson and co. to win India a match over Australia in the same tournament.

    Tim Robinson - England: I first saw him play when he was recalled to the English team in early 1987 and scored 83 against Pakistan at Sharjah and later, 166 at Manchester in the test series. He had everything you need to be a very good test batsman. Instead, after his first year, he ended up facing the West Indians on wickets with erratic bounce. More often than not, he was undone by the uneven bounce. On other occasions, his cautious approach fell prey to an early Patrick Patterson or Joel Garner yorker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akheR View Post
    First I thought he got games because of his father but his List A record is really good, way way better than the likes of :umarakmal by a margin of 10 ! (and the sample is more than decent : +110 matches.)
    I mean, averaging 45 in List A... I don't think that any of our intl. batsmen average that much.

    Did he deserve more chances ? He's only 31, and his last game was a T20 in Dec 2012 so he didn't give up cricket... perhaps will pull out a in the (near) future ?

    OMG, Mitchell Johnsons long lost brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamranwasti View Post
    Stuart Law - Australia: My favourite player. In another era, he would have been a world beater. Instead he played at a time, when Australians had Mark Waugh, David Boon, Alan Border, Greg Blewett, Steve Waugh, Ponting, Langer, Hayden, Slater, Gilchrist, even Elliot; both Elliot and Blewett should have been all-time greats but didn't make it.
    Not Blewett, he couldn't play spin bowling for nuts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi View Post
    OMG, Mitchell Johnsons long lost brother!
    Lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by imshally81 View Post
    M Sami - PAK
    U Akmal - PAK
    M Kaif - Ind
    Ram Parkash - Eng
    Wasim Jaffer - Ind

    How has Umar been a failure at international level?

    He has a great record so far and is basically a youngster, he will end up with 40+ average in both formats and he is already close to achieving that.

    its incredibly hard to decipher some people on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshland View Post
    Not Blewett, he couldn't play spin bowling for nuts.
    I really enjoy reading your comments regardless of my agreement/disagreement with him.

    Yes he was really made to look like a fool by Mushtaq but he improved after that. But of course the perennial memory will be that of Blewett falling to a Shahid Afridi shooter (or may be a Mushtaq googly) than the double century in South Africa. Sad.

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    Matthew Elliot.

    If you saw him and Hayden early in their careers and said one would be a failure and the other one of the Australian best openers, you would have agreed but not in the way it turned out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Aussie View Post
    Matthew Elliot.

    If you saw him and Hayden early in their careers and said one would be a failure and the other one of the Australian best openers, you would have agreed but not in the way it turned out.
    Yes - and Elliot was a far more elegant player than Hayden. He played without a grill on his helmet.

    I had so much hopes when he wont a one-test recall somewhere in one of the Australian winter tests. I could not watch it because of work but I think it was against Sri Lanka and the matches were played on really poor wickets.

    He swung some sixes off English fast-bowlers in the 1997 series. Beautiful to watch - almost like David Gower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaleefa View Post
    Crappy players who consistently made it to their national teams.
    Imran Farhat will top that list.
    followed by afridi.
    Last edited by Akmal Dynasty; 7th February 2013 at 07:57.

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    For SA it has to be Boeta Dippienaar

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    Prolly should add o0 to the list as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    I heard Mansoor Akhtar from Pakistan was highly talented but was not mentally strong to perform at international level

    mansoor Akhtar
    shafiq ahmed papa
    Rizwan uz Zaman

    Mohammed Sami
    Hasan Raza

    Danish_Kaneria (i will consider him a flop bowler, even he has lot of wicket in his name)

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    followed by afridi.
    Nah at one time afridi was good.. quick runs could get wickets. was great for starting and at 6 ... recently he is not even a shadow of his former self....

    Yasir hameed. got 1000 runs soo quickly but then i have no idea what happened.
    Brad hodge i like to brand him the most unluckiest cricketer ever.
    in future umar akmal.... he needs to find a brain not team position.
    rana naveed... fantastic against india and then flop
    rohit ... going the way of umar akmal only a little more quickly
    Imran farhat left handed player. could score quickly but internationally sucked.
    Mhd sami quick fast bowler with an outswinger. He actually proved that speed without control is useless.
    How has Umar been a failure at international level?

    He has a great record so far and is basically a youngster, he will end up with 40+ average in both formats and he is already close to achieving that.

    its incredibly hard to decipher some people on this forum.
    Not a failure yet but going that way.... his talent is soo huge that he shouldnt be just avg 37. he should be enjoying an average of over 50 atleast with alot of runs and centuries under his belt.... one of the few who can play fast bowling and not using his talent right.

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    kapugedera
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    sami

    umar akmal

    mohammed wasim

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    The legendary cricketer Faisal Iqbal and there was Khalid latif

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockers2012 View Post
    The legendary cricketer Faisal Iqbal and there was Khalid latif
    khalid latif hasn't been give a fair chance , he has everything to be good,


    raza hasan was nothing but hype, the poor kid looked scared the last time i saw him against england ,

    i think he believed his own hype when he made his debut at 14 (16)

    does any1 here remember shahdab kabir left handed batmen who made his debut in england and most where impressed with his composure then got 3 duck ina row against india in the saharah cup in canada


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    what about basit ali

    hyped to replace javed , played some good knocks in sharjah but faded quickly after
    now accuses every game to be fixed


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    For all the ability he had , Steve Harmison

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    Wavell Hinds, rated him highly as batsman
    Boeta Dippenaar
    Andre Nel
    Kapugedera, looked gold when he began

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    Quote Originally Posted by liaqat View Post
    what about basit ali

    hyped to replace javed , played some good knocks in sharjah but faded quickly after
    now accuses every game to be fixed
    Basit was a fantastic player. Yeah he underachieved but still was a great player to watch.

    Vinod Kambli's was a classic case from India. Rohit seems to be following suit at the moment. Hick and Ramprakash from England. I kind of liked both these players.

    How about Mohd Wasim? Di Venuto from Australia, seemed to start well in his first series against SA. Stuart Law, fabulous player, kind of underachieved in ODI's (limited and sporadic chances) but never got test chances. He would have played lot of games if he was in this generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    Basit was a fantastic player. Yeah he underachieved but still was a great player to watch.

    Vinod Kambli's was a classic case from India. Rohit seems to be following suit at the moment. Hick and Ramprakash from England. I kind of liked both these players.

    How about Mohd Wasim? Di Venuto from Australia, seemed to start well in his first series against SA. Stuart Law, fabulous player, kind of underachieved in ODI's (limited and sporadic chances) but never got test chances. He would have played lot of games if he was in this generation.
    Basit was mentally fragile. The way his career fell apart after he was first confronted with Shane Warne is staggering.

    Kambli's failings were against genuine pace. He was brutalised by Courtney Walsh and company in 1994. Rohit, I think, is still better. He has been not been treated properly; when he was ready, he was never given a test. Now he is just a desperate, frustrated young man. That's my understanding though you could explain better.

    Hick had everything - apart from the West Indies in 1991 and Waqar Younis, he wasn't all that bad against fast-bowling. But I think he developed a mental block against Waqar. I remember the Karachi test of 2000 when England were racing to a memorable win over Pakistan and Hick was playing perfectly well, Waqar still bowled him.

    Muhammad Wasim was less talented but was mentally very organised and played some great innings in testing conditions. However, his was a case of getting dropped after every failure - in Rawalpindi in 1998 against Australia, he got two of the most unplayable balls from Fleming and was dropped for the rest of the season - his innings before that match was a 192.

    In 1999, he was made to open in Australia and played a gem at Hobart and then got injured and dropped from the Sri Lanka tests because he got two first-ballers in the World Series Cup. When he returned for the West Indies series, he was again decent and scored 80-odd in one of the tests in a record opening partnership. After that he played another few tests in Sri Lanka, always providing decent starts but when England came in 2000, Pakistanis tried Qaiser Abbas, a short, unknown teenager to ensure that Wasim's international career was over before he turned 23.

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    really felt bad for muhammad wasim

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    Shahid Afridi tops the list for me


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    Shahid Afridi tops the list for me
    Afridi was an underachiever like vinood kambli..... his record is enough to be in international cricket but yeah amongst all under achiever afridi would be right there in top 3 if not number1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saiyan0312 View Post
    Afridi was an underachiever like vinood kambli..... his record is enough to be in international cricket but yeah amongst all under achiever afridi would be right there in top 3 if not number1.
    He has played most of his cricker based on his first international innings , if it was not for that innings he would have been srapped after a few odis. But he had immense batting talent , hand eye coordination at par with sehwags.


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    He has played most of his cricker based on his first international innings , if it was not for that innings he would have been srapped after a few odis. But he had immense batting talent , hand eye coordination at par with sehwags.
    Still cant say he couldnt cut.... 7000 runs 300 wickets... thats fine... yes heavily under achieved. I remember the time when his mishits used to go for sixes but that was a long long time ago.

    I think one of the leading were yasir hameed of who couldnt cut it. i still have trouble believing with his start he really fell down. Imran farhat too. if ever there was a domestic bully in this world its him.

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    I also think that Andrew Symonds also was in the same mold as Afridi and under achieved. Symonds could have been a fantastic allrounder yet he failed at the highest level. Cricket Australia really dropped the ball on him.


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    symonds had other issue ( disipline and drink) besides that i would't call him underachieving,



    for me still M SAMI AND, KAMBLI top the list,


    rohit is on that path ,, imran nazir also,, what about munaf patel.. tipped to be india's waqar younis
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    tipped to be india's waqar younis
    I thought every new indian bowler was supposed to be the next waqar or wasim.

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    Basit Ali has all the talent in the world, a very good player of fast bowling.

    Shahid Nazir , Had good pace , and was handy with the bat.

    Ricardo Powell , tremendous hitter of the ball , bowled decent off spin.


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    Recents---
    Ahmed shehzad---burdens of talent, but i sometimes think he lacks temperement and doesnt know How to use his talent. Also needs to be given more chances.
    Rohit sharma---i reckon his team needs to utilize him properly, plays well up the order,
    Suresh raina--- hes got it and he can really pull it off at times, but with his talent he is with no doubt up there with virat kohli hasnt shown it properly
    Umar akmal--- so much talent, but unfortunately hasnt shown it, he performs once in a while, but its rare, with his talent youd expect a good performance often.

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    i remember shahid nazir,
    he came in a era of waqar, wasim, shaoib, razzaq, azhar, etc etc so never made it in the team,
    bowled well at the depth of a innings, and nipped the ball around,

    anyone rememebr nancy hayward,,(Sa) whitehair


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    Quote Originally Posted by vandokkum View Post
    Ashraful is better than Sami. Averaging in 20s with the bat is not as bad as 55/ 60 or whatever it is the Sami averages with the ball. aSHRAFUL also has a few test hundreds.
    His average is only bad in test matches. His ODI and T20 average is more than respectful. Ashraful is crap in all three formats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liaqat View Post
    i remember shahid nazir,
    he came in a era of waqar, wasim, shaoib, razzaq, azhar, etc etc so never made it in the team,
    bowled well at the depth of a innings, and nipped the ball around,

    anyone rememebr nancy hayward,,(Sa) whitehair
    He came before Akhtar, Razzaq and Azhar. He was part of Pakistan team which won 1996 World Series in Australia.


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    Pakistan - Shabbir Ahmed, Yasir Hameed, Arshad Khan, Hasan Raza - (man i wanted this guy to perform so well) he reminded of the kid from the movie Mausoom.

    South Africa - Nantie Hayward, I remember him. The guy was lightning quick, it was a treat to watch him, used to remember him getting Gilly stumps out of the ground.

    Bangladesh - Shakib, overrated and only goes for his personal milestones and throws away his wicket after a fifty, gets nervous during his century and gets out, got out three or four times during ninety-six. Selfish.
    Aftab Ahmed - the guy was talented but threw away his worth. He's miles better than the likes of Imrul Kayes and Naaem Islam. Selectors bullied him around.
    Mashrafee Mortaza - Thinks he is but he's worse than Vinay Kumar. Need to get back down to earth, he has attitude problems. Needs to eat the humble pie and start thinking like a cricketer from Bangladesh, he thinks he's bowling at hundred and ten k/m.

    India - Sandogopan Ramesh, Wasim Jafar, Vengagopal Rao, Deep Das Gupta, Manoj Tiwary has a lot of talent but isn't getting opportunity.

    Australia- Shane Lee, Brendon Julein, Ian Harvey,
    Steven Smith lol - the guy is neither talented nor gifted, he just fileds well, Stuart Clark

    Windies - Mervyn Dillion

    NZ- James Franklin but he's bouncing back, Roger Twose, Chris Harris


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    Dinesh Karthik
    Atlest what the India selectors believe. India will do worse than to look to Dinesh Karthik to replace Dhoni behind the stumps in tests. Always came across as someone full of energy. He has a very good technique as he demonstrated when he laid foundations for that series victory in 2007.

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    Three names come to mind-

    #1. Vinod Kambli
    #2. Vindo Kambli
    #3. Vinod Kambli


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    Just feel incredibly sad thinking what a player he would have been with the work ethic and attitude of his best friend.


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    Notice how he sent the ball to 3 different directions with such ease and class in the same over against a bowler of Warne's class.


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    V Solanki.

    Used to love his batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liaqat View Post
    i remember shahid nazir,
    he came in a era of waqar, wasim, shaoib, razzaq, azhar, etc etc so never made it in the team,
    bowled well at the depth of a innings, and nipped the ball around,

    anyone rememebr nancy hayward,,(Sa) whitehair
    Nantie Hayward was supposed to replace Allan Donald, had pace but too, too wayward.
    If you talk of SA's recent pace history, the one who should have done more is Brett Schultz : a leftie who could swing the ball both ways at pace (some say that he was the fastest bowler of the early 90s, after Waqar and compatriot Donald). Overall took 37 wickets @ 20, but what's really impressive is the 20 scalps v SL, at 16, on Sri Lankan flat roads - they simply couldn't cope with the pace. Injuries had the last word, though.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ashraful_Rox View Post
    Pakistan - Shabbir Ahmed, Yasir Hameed, Arshad Khan, Hasan Raza - (man i wanted this guy to perform so well) he reminded of the kid from the movie Mausoom.
    lol which movie ? I think there's still hope if he performs, baba has changed the whole paradigm of PAK cricket you can now dream of a national call-up even in your 30s (Hasan Raza's still 30).
    In fact some peoples were talking of including him recently...

    From PAK, I think pacer Aamer Nazir deserved more chances, like another (Shahid) Nazir was a swing bowler who should have got a hat-trick on his intl debut (ODI) against a good WI batting line up



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    Add Basit Ali, compared to initially, great bat. At the time hit the second fastest century, a 127* off 79 deliveries against a WI comprising the Ambrose-Walsh tandem


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    Lou Vincent. Played some awesome knocks against Aussies in Ozland but was never consistent enough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Lou Vincent. Played some awesome knocks against Aussies in Ozland but was never consistent enough.
    Yep one of the few "flair" batsmen from the Kiwiland. I remember him and Mark "Butch" Richardson combining quite well in the tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justarslan View Post
    His average is only bad in test matches. His ODI and T20 average is more than respectful. Ashraful is crap in all three formats.
    Well in all three formats Ashraful is about as crap as it gets

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandokkum View Post
    Ashraful is better than Sami. Averaging in 20s with the bat is not as bad as 55/ 60 or whatever it is the Sami averages with the ball. aSHRAFUL also has a few test hundreds.
    An average in the low 20s is just as bad as averaging 50 with the bat. If an average of 50+ with bat is equal to a sub-25 bowling average, then equivalencies could be the following:

    (bat, bowl)

    50, 25
    40, 30
    35, 35
    30, 40
    25, 50

    So Ashraful and Sami are about the same quality. Sami's got a few five wicket hauls = Ash's 5 test tons.

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    the best candidates must be graeme hick and shafiq junior

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