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    Anderson is a bowler who will not be remembered. His ability has been over blown, on flat pitches he can't do anything and only on green tops can he look good, and even then his pace is not there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Premier Cricketer View Post
    Anderson is a bowler who will not be remembered. His ability has been over blown, on flat pitches he can't do anything and only on green tops can he look good, and even then his pace is not there.
    Not a sensible post.

    Dhoni singled him out as the difference between the two sides when England won in India after 30 years. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/20757729

    Look at his average, strike rate, economy in that series where spinners dominated.

    Also, look at his performance in the UAE.

    Also, look at his performance in the last Ashes in Australia.
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    This is a fairly long countdown, does it never drop below 30 ever?

    Clocking at 30.39 at the moment, a higher figure than when the thread commenced.

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    Should we have an Anderson "countup" thread then?

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    If it doesn't drop under 30 after this series then it never will.

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    Averaging 31 in last 20 matches even at peak of his career.



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    Fish out of water


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    Never gonna happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoomCricket View Post
    Not a sensible post.

    Dhoni singled him out as the difference between the two sides when England won in India after 30 years. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/20757729

    Look at his average, strike rate, economy in that series where spinners dominated.

    Also, look at his performance in the UAE.

    Also, look at his performance in the last Ashes in Australia.
    In 3 Tests in UAE he took 9 wickets at 27.66 apiece and a strike rate of 71.8. that is a very ordinary performance considering that Hafeez opened for Pakistan

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    Just does not have the pace or that extra zip to run through sides. Broad looks more dangerous. Anderson is good but not great as some call him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Premier Cricketer View Post
    Anderson is a bowler who will not be remembered. His ability has been over blown, on flat pitches he can't do anything and only on green tops can he look good, and even then his pace is not there.
    Wrong. Anderson is better, more credible and has produced more match winning and great performances than all other sub 28/29/30 averaging Test bowlers. Even more so than the likes of Siddle whose average is much lower.

    People keeping pushing Anderson aside because he averages 30 and how Johnson is better because he averages 28, well, lets see how many people would have Johnson over Anderson in their Test lineup across the globe.

    Statistics haven't done justice to many players both past and present, Anderson is one of them.

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    between mid 2010 and 2012 he took around a 100 wickets at around 23 runs apiece. He was rubbish before that period averaging around 35 and has been Ok since averaging around 31. A good bowler overall but nowhere near as good as the English media suggests. Will be remembered only in England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_ View Post
    Wrong. Anderson is better, more credible and has produced more match winning and great performances than all other sub 28/29/30 averaging Test bowlers. Even more so than the likes of Siddle whose average is much lower.

    People keeping pushing Anderson aside because he averages 30 and how Johnson is better because he averages 28, well, lets see how many people would have Johnson over Anderson in their Test lineup across the globe.

    Statistics haven't done justice to many players both past and present, Anderson is one of them.
    What does this even mean?

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    30.50 now

    we should count up now to 32!!!

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    There's a better chance of it finishing above 40 than below 30.


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    He is looking ordinary in this series so far but if I am picking my team for 20-25 test matches all over the world then I will still pick Anderson as my top 5 fast bowler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    There's a better chance of it finishing above 40 than below 30.
    He is averaging 30.xx and you think that he has better chance of 40+ than sub 30? LOL

    Some clouds in Eng and 8-10 tests, he will get his average below 30. When Ind is touring again? If I remember correctly, Indians will play 5 test matches. Just get SL and Pakistan also and viola, he will bring his average down.
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    Average Test match bowler with average average is average.

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    He looks mediocre in the Adelaide test.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Aussie View Post
    Average Test match bowler with average average is average.
    Just be glad it's not swinging, he would have ripped through your top order.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Just be glad it's not swinging, he would have ripped through your top order.
    That's likely to happens only in Eng. Ball doesn't swing much in Aus and he is averaging around 40 in Aus. He has bowled well in 2-3 tests out of 10-11 tests so far in Aus.


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    Re: James Anderson's bowling average to drop below 30 soon (Countdown)

    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Just be glad it's not swinging, he would have ripped through your top order.
    Needs swinging conditions to perform. So much for skills. Tut tut!


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    Being a swing bowler you cannot judge him only on Aussie conditions. Anderson has proved lethal in England and has done well in Asian conditions in his recent tours, he's one of the best out there. Besides the Kookabura ball isn't a cricket ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Being a swing bowler you cannot judge him only on Aussie conditions. Anderson has proved lethal in England and has done well in Asian conditions in his recent tours, he's one of the best out there. Besides the Kookabura ball isn't a cricket ball.
    Excuses excuses

    Bottom line is he is just your regular trundler and needs clowds to be effective. He averages what he does for a reason.


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    Quote Originally Posted by khalil1986 View Post
    Excuses excuses

    Bottom line is he is just your regular trundler and needs clowds to be effective. He averages what he does for a reason.
    He doesn't he can reverse it pretty well too amongst other tricks such as the wobble seam but isn't finding much here success here like every other bowler. Johnson who bowls 90+ will also struggle here if England play half decent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Just be glad it's not swinging, he would have ripped through your top order.
    It must not swing so much then, for him to average 30+

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    The legendary Sir James Trundlerson!

    Average touching 40 in Australia now!

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    avgs 31 this year while his counterpart broad avgs 24 and steyn avgs 14. Not a good year for him.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlizeeFan View Post
    Averaging 31 in last 20 matches even at peak of his career.
    His peak was actually between Jun 2010 and right before the SA series in 2012. Took around 100 wkts at 22 something.. He was averaging nearly 35 before that and has been averaging around 31 after that. Thing is Steyn had a terrible 2012. Which is why jimmy is being compared to Steyn

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    He's a good bowler who has decent patches but not too special.

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    This series will determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    This series well determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
    He is not a great bowler, seems like you have bought in to the english media hype machine too.


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    Poor series. In fact a poor year.

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    You sense he's just past his peak and on the way down. And his average is on the way up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_ View Post
    Poor series. In fact a poor year.
    Nope. Just back to usual after a couple of good years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    This series will determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
    Even if he takes two ten-fors in the next two matches, only his most die-hard fans will call him a great.

    He's a good bowler, nothing more.

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    Rubbish bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    This series will determine whether or not he is a great bowler or a decent bowler who had a few great years.
    I've never thought of him as great, though he's unquestionably a very good one.

    The years have worn on and I'd like to see him come on first change now, behind Draco and Finn, keeping it tight and reversing it about.

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    He may not be a 'special' bowler of Steyn calibre but averaging around 30 after 60 odd tests is still very good.

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    Can only bowl well when the ball swings.

    Not a real all round cricketer.

    Rubbish when it don't swing.

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    Good bowler but seems past his best. Broad meanwhile looks to be on an upward curve.

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    Extremely average bowler on non-helpful tracks..hope he proves me wrong but by the look of things, its not going to happen

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    He is done. had a purple patch on some good ENG wickets but now looks like a trundler. No pace.
    Eng has to face it, he will not get any better !!!

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    Come to think of it, this England team is pretty old - Anderson, Swann, Pieterson, Prior, Carberry etc all over 30.

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    He bowled Pretty well in 2010, looks off color this time

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    sir jimmy average below 30? are you kidding me

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    You lot can witter about whatever you like, but an average of solid 20s for the last 5 consecutive years is objective and conclusive evidence enough for me.
    and than we hear from you saying you dont look at numbers

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    86.6 Anderson to Bailey, SIX, full again and whacked disdainfully over long-on this time, that's 28 runs off the over, equalling Brian Lara's Test record - and that's enough for Michael Clarke, who calls his batsmen in

    86.5 Anderson to Bailey, SIX, pitched up on off stump, Bailey mullers this one over long-off, the fielder briefly thought he was in business - he wasn't

    86.4 Anderson to Bailey, FOUR, on the stumps and hoicked through backward square, high and handsome and just short of the rope

    86.3 Anderson to Bailey, 2 runs, goes across and flicks a couple through the leg side

    86.2 Anderson to Bailey, SIX, clears the front leg and 'tock!' Bailey creams a straight six, hitting a length ball into the sight screen

    86.1 Anderson to Bailey, FOUR, well bowled and well played, Anderson finding the edge as Bailey looks to cut but a flick of the wrists gives it enough juice to fly over slip and away for four
    Andy averages 30.70

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    He is a trundler and doesn't have capability of taking pitch out of equation.


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    Was taken to the cleaners today

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    How is the countdown going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalil1986 View Post
    He is a trundler and doesn't have capability of taking pitch out of equation.
    But, but he has more skills.



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    hahaha...conceded a WORLD RECORD of 28 runs in tests. This just proves he's overrated. Good bowler but nothing special like his average suggests.

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    0/105 off 19, pretty bad even for an ODI match.


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    He's still great to watch the skill he showed to get belted for 28 was simply world class

    Don't like your sig IW, only a few have lead in all those events, and winning a IPL title as captain means next to nothing.
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    OMG Bailey ... what have you done?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetic View Post
    hahaha...conceded a WORLD RECORD of 28 runs in tests. This just proves he's overrated. Good bowler but nothing special like his average suggests.
    No, that proves he bowled a bad over against a good batsman who had license to swing for the pickets.

    It's a bit sad to see his decline, after he was knocking a better batting line than this over on the last Aussie Ashes, swinging it both ways under clear blue skies....

    Retirement beckons. He has been a fine servant to English cricket, probably our best bowler since Willis and Botham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    No, that proves he bowled a bad over against a good batsman who had license to swing for the pickets.

    It's a bit sad to see his decline, after he was knocking a better batting line than this over on the last Aussie Ashes, swinging it both ways under clear blue skies....

    Retirement beckons. He has been a fine servant to English cricket, probably our best bowler since Willis and Botham.
    Bailey wasn't set before that over. He finished at 39 not out when the innings ended, and that 39 included those 28 in the over.

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    30.70 now.

    It's only heading North.


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    Can someone explain to me that how can one even think of Anderson as an ATG with a career average of 30+? That too considering he has played most of his cricket in bowling friendly conditions?

    Its just a question

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    No one thinks he is an ATG. He is a modern English great - nothing more, nothing less.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bluffmasterv2 View Post
    Can someone explain to me that how can one even think of Anderson as an ATG with a career average of 30+?

    Its just a question
    Who said that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianWillow View Post
    No one thinks he is an ATG. He is a modern English great - nothing more, nothing less.
    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Who said that?
    Recently heard David Lloyd say that he is the only current ATG along with Ajmal, Steyn, and (few others)

    ... dont know how Anderson makes it to that list

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    Great bowler when it was his day, crummy bowler when it wasn't, pretty good bowler overall.

    Most importantly, he has been a servant of undying loyalty and he always puts in 110% - and these things frankly can't be said about most international cricketers. Therefore England fans will always love him and not care what any of the rest of you think of that, or us, or him.

    So there.

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    Looks tough now after these three Ashes Tests, might help if India or SL tour to England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bluffmasterv2 View Post
    Recently heard David Lloyd say that he is the only current ATG along with Ajmal, Steyn, and (few others)

    ... dont know how Anderson makes it to that list
    Well, tags like ATG is misused a lot now days. Unless, neutral players and fans widely consider some one as an ATG, it's meaningless.

    Only Steyn has done enough to to be in that category and even for him this word is not used that widely by ex-cricketers yet. You have to do extremely well for a very long time and try to do it in conditions not suitable to you. Greatness is not earned so easily.

    You can ignore what David Lloyd has to say here.


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    At least he doesn't quit when the going gets tough :respect

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    Capped off the series at 43.92 then, and his bowling average is now 30.67

    Well done.


    Enzed.

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    Meanwhile Johnno has stormed through the 30s barrier with ease.

  68. #308
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    I feel sorry for Jimmy now. Gets sent in as nightwatchman and have Cook refusing singles to keep him on strike so he can get hammered by Jonno. Then when the top order collapses the next day he has to run around to find his pads 30 mins after the start of play to bat again. Then he has to bowl and get slapped around.

  69. #309
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    Really poor series for him.

    Bouncing back against SL and India next summer will not count. They don't play swing well.

  70. #310
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    Anderson has always been a 29-30 average bowler. And he is likely to end his career in that bracket.

    Its getting more and more unlikely that he will break Botham's record of most wickets by an Englishman.

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    Had a terrible series.


    Sehwag and Steyn are the Best.

  72. #312
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    3/123 and 1/47 this game.

    Overall average has climbed to 30.36

  73. #313
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    It should drop below 30 by the end of this series.


    Misbah, Wahab, Junaid, Root, Williamson fan.
    T20 isn't Cricket

  74. #314
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrSchultz View Post
    It should drop below 30 by the end of this series.
    It's what we keep singing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    3/123 and 1/47 this game.

    Overall average has climbed to 30.50
    Corrected.

  76. #316
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    Oh well some can rejoice about his batting average increasing if nothing else.


    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."

  77. #317
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    Averages 27.4 in this game, pushing his overall average to below his pre-test figure of 30.50

  78. #318
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Averages 27.4 in this game, pushing his overall average to below his pre-test figure of 30.50
    clutching at straws


    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."

  79. #319
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    HE is pretty good bowler to have in your side a dedicated cricketer 330+ wickets is no joke how many Bowlers have that much wickets


    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
    If Hafeez can get two hundreds in a game anyone can.

  80. #320
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kianig89 View Post
    HE is pretty good bowler to have in your side a dedicated cricketer 330+ wickets is no joke how many Bowlers have that much wickets
    360+ now. He going to end up with over 400 test wickets at an average of around 29/30/31. Okay he's no ATG but that will still be an impressive record.


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