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    Seriously! if Pakistan gets rid of Hafeez, the team will be a lot better. Its best if Pakistan has a left arm spinner in his place. His batting is a joke anyway.

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    Sadly am sure his 50 yesterday means pakistan team and fans will have to put with usual collection of batting failures to follow for another 2/3 years at least.

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    get rid of him...

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    Re: Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Sadly am sure his 50 yesterday means pakistan team and fans will have to put with usual collection of batting failures to follow for another 2/3 years at least.
    Its a shame... pehaps he will become kuptaan too off the back of it.

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    Did well yesterday, good fifty and bowled tight. Jamshed's run out and the drop catch were negatives for him though.

    Still would have to do something last ODI to save his place. Wish him the best, the hate he seems to get on here is incredible.

    At the present it stands, I'd drop him. I don't think we have an allrounder who bowls ten overs to directly replace him. Afridi I don't think can be an allrounder at seven, he should fill a specialist bowling slot. If we have one, replace Hafeez with him.

    However likely we do not.

    Instead we should probably try to fill in our side with a few part time bowlers to make up the overs. Their bowling won't be as good as Hafeez's combined, but hopefully they will perform more with a bat to an extent where they cancel that out.

    1 Jamshed
    2 Azhar
    3 Harris
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    6 Umar Akmal
    7 Sohaib Maqsood
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    Both him and misbah have become untouchables. Why, I'll never know. Both as mediocre and useless as each other....with hafeez prob slightly less annoying

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    He's has been poor in the last few months.

    He played a good knock yesterday but I have serious doubts for him unless he shows some consistent scores with the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    He's has been poor in the last few months.

    He played a good knock yesterday but I have serious doubts for him unless he shows some consistent scores with the bat.
    he's not good enough against quality opposition. needs to go....or at the least make way for boy wonder, by dropping down the order.

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    Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

    Hafeez should go for good. Numerous chances and flatters to deceive more often than not. He's just not good enough in either discipline to warrant a place in the team.

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    .... with that Fluke innings of 50.. He has secured his place in the team for Next series too...


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    i watched hafeez bat yesterday and he looked to be in good touch. On flat tracks he can sometimes bat well. He created the launch platform for Pakistan yesterday and he should try to be more consistant.

    His consistancy has resulted in him having an ashrafulisque average

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    A fluke knock of 50 odd will not solve anything. Has not taken a wicket in his last 5 games, ran Jamshed out and dropped a catch that should have been taken. Needs to be shown the door.

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    So a simple ball outside the off stump that should have been smacked into covers or cut thru the point, makes Hafeez take his eyes off the ball, look at the midwicket and play a blind eye cross tulla towards onside for a popping catch..... That's your future captain!

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    I am surprised how his stupid shots are being ignored for such a long time.


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    Useless stroke today. What the hell was he doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Useless stroke today. What the hell was he doing?
    Showing why he's not blessed in all 3 facets of the game?

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    Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

    Really not good enough for international cricket... Very very ordinary player


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    If you need to win the World Cup 2015, replace him with Babar Azam asap! He should be the first one to be dropped from the current team.


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    What a player. Truly blessed in all facets

    32 (35).

    Hundred incoming.

    Fingers crossed this won't turn out to be a massive jinx

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    Re: Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

    Worst opener in he history of cricket performs
    against minnows

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    Can't he was jinxed.

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    sigh....i guess i have to wait till the SA series.
    i think zimbabwe team missed a trick...their bowlers just needed to wear a shirt with steyn's name on the back.

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    given this innings, he'll be batting at 3 against SA

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    I wonder where the haters have disappeared

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    Well he did tell us there was nothing wrong with his technique the last time he was in Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Well he did tell us there was nothing wrong with his technique the last time he was in Africa.
    Who cares what anyone does in South Africa. We only go there twice in a decade

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    Mohammad Hafeez's aggressive, fearless and positive body language!

    I think Mohammad Hafeez's aggressive, fearless and positive body language is the key to his ongoing success against Zimbabwe! Hope he continues this against the major teams as well ( where he lacks it mostly)! Have your say?

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    He won't continue against major teams.
    He could be a big asset if he bats low down but his ego prevents that


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    minnow basher.

    This tag will remain until he can score a century against a top 4 ranked team outside of the sub continent.

    His record currently is woeful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    He won't continue against major teams.
    He could be a big asset if he bats low down but his ego prevents that
    Hmmm.. And yes agree with you regarding him being a big asset if he bats low down!! ( In place of Afridi )

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    6 hundreds in the last 2 years

    Only Kohli and Dilshan have more.

    Gangstaa

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    ^^.. all against minnows or indian trundlers....


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    good innings, yet he should still bat at 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by HazTheGreenKnightRises View Post
    ^^.. all against minnows or indian trundlers....

    So what? is he the only batsman in the world who gets to bat against Indian trundlers and minnows? Why don't all of them score hundreds too then?

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    Minnow basher sadly will be around for a few more years it looks like now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon_ View Post
    So what? is he the only batsman in the world who gets to bat against Indian trundlers and minnows? Why don't all of them score hundreds too then?
    Then why dont you include to that party... he is a Beast in that category.. in your Language.. Gangstaa......


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    I don't desire him to score 139s against stronger teams, although I wish so.

    But I will be very pleased if he starts scoring 39s against stronger oppositions consistently.


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    Re: Mohammad Hafeez, oh so untouchable Mohammad Hafeez..

    Quote Originally Posted by Amjid Javed View Post
    Minnow basher sadly will be around for a few more years it looks like now...
    Wasn't his last good score against Ireland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI View Post
    Wasn't his last good score against Ireland?
    no, against West Indies

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    Hmmm with that ton he has booked his place for the home season lets see

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    Irrelevant of the opposition, it was a great innings and good to see him in such confidence, hope he takes it to Dubai and Abu Dhhabi


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    He'd inflate his average to near 30 with this series, and then goes back under 25 within the next few series.......

    He should only play T20's.... Itz an absolute joke to play him in ODI's... and in Tests he shouldn't even dare to look on for a spot to play..


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    Quote Originally Posted by HazTheGreenKnightRises View Post
    He'd inflate his average to near 30 with this series, and then goes back under 25 within the next few series.......

    He should only play T20's.... Itz an absolute joke to play him in ODI's... and in Tests he shouldn't even dare to look on for a spot to play..
    he should be in the ODI side if he plays at 5

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    Hafeez should be opening in ODIs so that we free up space for a proper #3 batsman.

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    Born cricketer

    Another quality knock.

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    Kulasekara will enjoy bowling against him on off stump channel prof. is a serious candidate of fishing and his in dippers will create LBW shouts good luck Feeja

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kianig89 View Post
    Kulasekara will enjoy bowling against him on off stump channel prof. is a serious candidate of fishing and his in dippers will create LBW shouts good luck Feeja
    I agree. Kulasekara has the tools which are the weaknesses Hafeez has. Swing bowler who bowls around the off stump area.

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    Hope Hafeez get's humiliated once again like he was in SA.

    This time Malinga could get him with outswing.

    Infact any outswing bowler will get him.

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    I was surprised to see this.

    Stats since dropping down to number 3 last year:

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    Look at that average, that is impressive, even if it is against some minnows.

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    ^ That is impressive. Personally I would want him batting at #6 but if he's doing so well then he should stay at #3.


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    yeah it is impressive, I had no idea. The problem now is, to accommodate Younis, Sharjeel will be dropped, therefore Hafeez has to open.

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    Hmm, good stuff there by Hafeez at #3!

    Personally, I don't really mind him batting at #3 in the upcoming ODIs vs Sri Lanka, but thing is, if he does well at #3 against Sri Lanka, then against Australia and New Zealand, they'll ask him to bat there in the World Cup too, and in swinging conditions, he'll be a sitting duck at the top order.


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    Younis isn't guranteed to play. I want Fawad to open if Hafeez is batting at #3. That leaves Maqsood in the #6 spot but we have to compromise somewhere.


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    In the stats above, you can see that he either does well against minnows, in the subcontinent, against weak bowling attacks, or when places where there is not much swing on offer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Younis isn't guranteed to play. I want Fawad to open if Hafeez is batting at #3. That leaves Maqsood in the #6 spot but we have to compromise somewhere.
    The fact that he played in today's warm-up game over Sharjeel shows that they want him to play. Batted up the order as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet Drive View Post
    Hope Hafeez get's humiliated once again like he was in SA.

    This time Malinga could get him with outswing.

    Infact any outswing bowler will get him.
    Sad to see such a comment from you, bro.


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    Hafeez is criminally underrated on Pakpassion and this whole 'he can't bat at number 3' is pretty nonsense when you look at his performances.

    SL is not a minnow.

    I'd the second most important LOI cricketer after Ajmal at the moment. Adds tremendous balance to the team.

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    I think he will do even better at 4, but him at 3 is remotely not our biggest problem/issue right now.
    Last edited by Mamoon; 21st August 2014 at 06:11.

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    Conditions in Australia are not swinging. The ODI pitches are very flat and there is some extra bounce but Hafeez is the best in the team when it comes to back-foot play. His weak zone is the ball shaping away from him at the last minute and he ends playing away from his body.

    Same with NZ, where he has done well previously and the short boundary are helpful. I don't think Hafeez at 3 in the World Cup is a big problem and Fawad at that position is not the solution because you need a dynamic player at that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Hafeez is criminally underrated on Pakpassion and this whole 'he can't bat at number 3' is pretty nonsense when you look at his performances.

    SL is not a minnow.

    I'd the second most important LOI cricketer after Ajmal at the moment. Adds tremendous balance to the team.
    Yeah if he can average even 35 in the WC, and take wickets here and there he deserves his spot. The problem is if he turns into the Hafeez that went to South Africa, he is utterly useless.

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    Against two new balls in Australia the chances are that he won't be that successful.

    With all his experience he can still do something, at least he can bowl to keep the team balance.


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    Hafeez is a nothing batsman, rather, embarrassment for the term 'batsman'.

    He's a great bowling allrounder though! Specially on flat-pitches. MUCH better and reliable than Afridi.

    Also, hafeez is THE BIGGEST bottler in Pakistani team, he WILL and has ALWAYS flopped on bigger stages, all ICC tournaments.

    Shocked that some people rate him so highly as a batsman, it's CRIMINAL to play him in the top 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Conditions in Australia are not swinging. The ODI pitches are very flat and there is some extra bounce but Hafeez is the best in the team when it comes to back-foot play. His weak zone is the ball shaping away from him at the last minute and he ends playing away from his body.

    Same with NZ, where he has done well previously and the short boundary are helpful. I don't think Hafeez at 3 in the World Cup is a big problem and Fawad at that position is not the solution because you need a dynamic player at that position.
    For once I agree with you tbh +1


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Hafeez is a nothing batsman, rather, embarrassment for the term 'batsman'.

    He's a great bowling allrounder though! Specially on flat-pitches. MUCH better and reliable than Afridi.

    Also, hafeez is THE BIGGEST bottler in Pakistani team, he WILL and has ALWAYS flopped on bigger stages, all ICC tournaments.

    Shocked that some people rate him so highly as a batsman, it's CRIMINAL to play him in the top 5.
    He is a decent LOI batsman and there are better options for the future but at the moment he's very much needed and they are all bottlers. By Pakistani standards, Hafeez is a very good ODI batsman and more productive than the likes of Maqsood, Haris, Amin, Jamshed, Shehzad etc (for now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    I was surprised to see this.

    Stats since dropping down to number 3 last year:

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    Look at that average, that is impressive, even if it is against some minnows.
    so hafeez is sri lanka and minnow basher....you guys found your own version of sanga

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    He is a fine ODI batting All rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a decent LOI batsman and there are better options for the future but at the moment he's very much needed and they are all bottlers. By Pakistani standards, Hafeez is a very good ODI batsman and more productive than the likes of Maqsood, Haris, Amin, Jamshed, Shehzad etc (for now).
    I don't mind him batting at 5/6. He has again and again got embarrassed in the top order, and almost always is a factor in causing collapses.

    I know he plays elegant strokes and looks good while batting, and all of those things he can fully utilize while batting lower.

    Actually he can be a quite decent bat at those positions since he don't have to face a fresh ball, of which he's a bunny.

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    5/6 is too low for him. He can construct an innings better than others and scores hundreds as well. Number 4 is about right.

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    The value of Hafeez is in his being in the team as a batting allrounder.

    http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...s-All-Rounders

    Even if he does not perform with the bat, he will give you 10 high quality overs. He is a must in the 2 shorter formats not so in Tests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight_Drive View Post
    so hafeez is sri lanka and minnow basher....you guys found your own version of sanga
    Yes 3 is a better spot for him than opening the innings. Lets see if he can continue to score runs against SL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    He is a decent LOI batsman and there are better options for the future but at the moment he's very much needed and they are all bottlers. By Pakistani standards, Hafeez is a very good ODI batsman and more productive than the likes of Maqsood, Haris, Amin, Jamshed, Shehzad etc (for now).
    This is the thing about Hafeez. People are quick to label that he can't bat, yet the guy averages 37.55 since he cameback. Even against non minnows, he averages a shade under 34. Our 2nd best bat averages 35 against non-minnows (Umar Akmal). Misbah averages a lot more, but Misbah averages a country mile above anyone, especially when you take away minnows.

    When you compare Hafeez's stats to the rest of the team, he's not too bad. Only Umar Akmal and Misbah beat him. Which is a little worrying. He's also ranked 2nd highest out of all the Pakistani batsmen joint with Shehzad at 15. What's more he's doing that batting up the order either as opener or at three.

    Hafeez ain't a brilliant batsman, but quite frankly as embarrassing as it sounds, guy could make it as a specialist batsman when in competition with the current batsmen.

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    I agree, not to mention his ability to score hundreds. People look too much into his Test failures in SA and he's not young either. Age bias is very strong in Pakistan.

    A good batsman, a very good bowler and thus an excellent and genuine all-rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I agree, not to mention his ability to score hundreds. People look too much into his Test failures in SA and he's not young either. Age bias is very strong in Pakistan.

    A good batsman, a very good bowler and thus an excellent and genuine all-rounder.
    Him scoring hundreds might just be him batting up the order. Our best bats bat at 5 and 6. While he has scored more than the rest of our team combined in the last few years, I didn't bring it up as I don't necessarily use it as a way to tell better batsmen apart in the ODI format.

    Age bias is stupid. International level is no training area. You pick teams on performance. Picking teams on this criteria creates more competition for spaces and ups the level. It's not good carrying guys who aren't performing just because they're young. Why most teams only blood in one youngster at a time, sometimes two. And he often comes in 7 or 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I agree, not to mention his ability to score hundreds. People look too much into his Test failures in SA and he's not young either. Age bias is very strong in Pakistan.

    A good batsman, a very good bowler and thus an excellent and genuine all-rounder.
    This is what I wanted to say.

    We also have to remember that he goes on to bat through the innings and makes big hundreds. He usually goes on to score around 130. The hundreds come at a good strike rate as well.


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    He has been the only centurion in the team over the last 4 odd years so I doubt if it's simply a case of him batting up the order. Don't know how true it is but I read somewhere that in the last 3 years, only Kohli and Amla have scored more ODI hundreds so clearly it's simply not a case of him batting up the order over others.

    When he's playing well, he constructs his innings extremely well and rotates the strike. That's the biggest reason for his hundred scoring ability which is why I think number 5/6 is too low for him. Number 4 is probably the ideal slot.

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    Yes, I think around half of his hundreds have been 130+.

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    Junaid performs against SL and gets named SL basher (haven't played much against others).

    Hafeez bashes SL/BD/Zim, embarrassingly fails against every good attack or swinging ball, again and again, and gets called a good batsman.

    There's a bit of bias involved here though. He may have average in mid 30s but that's only because of his triple hundreds against SL.

    And again, this is an extremely poor average for a top order batsman. Don't compare him to other poor batsmen in PAK side, as that's not a comparison.

    As I said, he's not a top order batsman and will always fail against good attacks. He has a chance to perform against good attacks if he bats lower and avoids facing the new ball.

    No one denies he's a genuine allrounder, but should play like an allrounder and bat where he belongs, not in the top order category of specialist batsmen.

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    Hafeez is basically the batting version of Junaid. He's okay/decent/good but probably the best we have at this moment and nowhere near top quality. Don't see any bias.

    However as an all-rounder, Hafeez adds plenty of value.

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    Hafeez is a very good cricketer. Play him at 3 & select a good fast bowling allrounder & play him at 8. This will add loads of balance to the team instead of having lala in the team.


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