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  1. #481
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    96 runs is 96 runs and will ultimately hopefully help us win this match.

    Hate posters who will just adamantly stick to their guns and bash a player for the sake of it.

    I personally don't think he should be in test team but now that he is and has also scored that's all that matters.


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    It was downright disturbing to see Hafeez came out as No.4 the position where our legends like Inzimam Yousuf n Javed played

    Can't understand the fascination with Hafeez specially that now his bowling his gone


    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
    If Hafeez can get two hundreds in a game anyone can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kianig89 View Post
    It was downright disturbing to see Hafeez came out as No.4 the position where our legends like Inzimam Yousuf n Javed played

    Can't understand the fascination with Hafeez specially that now his bowling his gone
    Has been terrible all year.
    Average is under 30 i guess and his sr is always poor !

    The moment he couldnt ball should have been dropped.

    We carry way too many passengers.

    Nasir
    Yk
    Asad
    Gul
    Tanvir
    Hafeez

    Its just too much and very disturbing for fans !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kianig89 View Post
    It was downright disturbing to see Hafeez came out as No.4 the position where our legends like Inzimam Yousuf n Javed played

    Can't understand the fascination with Hafeez specially that now his bowling his gone
    He was forced to bat at number 4 because Mr. Team Man refuses to bat at any number other than 3 despite the fact that he averages 30 at number 3 while Hafeez averages 43 at 3.

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    bump


    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
    If Hafeez can get two hundreds in a game anyone can.

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    33* of 46 as we speak


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canistani Hero View Post
    33* of 46 as we speak
    Rubbish, selfish innings. The run rate has already jumped almost 1 digit. Basically plays for his spot.

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    Seems like a premature bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Seems like a premature bump.
    Poor innings in every case.
    That's not how you pace your innings chasing 370.
    Selfish innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Poor innings in every case.
    That's not how you pace your innings chasing 370.
    Selfish innings.
    Indeed, just pulling the OP's leg.

    Has to play a long innings now, both him and Shehzad, otherwise its a waste.

    Lack of singles as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Indeed, just pulling the OP's leg.

    Has to play a long innings now, both him and Shehzad, otherwise its a waste.

    Lack of singles as usual.
    Keep on playing at SR of less than hundred or hundred when the RRR is over 9 (that means a SR over 150 is needed).
    It's like playing at 66 of strike rate when chasing 300. Pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Keep on playing at SR of less than hundred or hundred when the RRR is over 9 (that means a SR over 150 is needed).
    It's like playing at 66 of strike rate when chasing 300. Pathetic.
    This opening stand was good for chasing 270-300 only.

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    I hope he gets out ! Playing too many dots


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    Hafeez really seems to be untouchable, just like YK ... He cannot be dropped from playing XI even though he cannot bowl, and he is a ... Heck he cannot be dropped down the order...

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    Hafeez is a best definition of death-track bully.

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    Unless he passes his bowling test then i think Hafeezs position in side needs to be seriously looked at because as a batsmen alone his performances are simply not good enough

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    Wth? He played a very good knock of 86 just last game!

    What does everyone want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mussu-100 View Post
    Wth? He played a very good knock of 86 just last game!

    What does everyone want?
    Chasing 370 he went at SR or less than 100.

    And even worse, when Shehzad was firing he went at SR of 50 for 10 overs.

    What does he expect?

    We will get 370?


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    Chasing 370 he went at SR or less than 100.

    And even worse, when Shehzad was firing he went at SR of 50 for 10 overs.

    What does he expect?

    We will get 370?

    If both batsmen go out and swinging for the fences, better chance both wickets fall and the game is over. If one partner (Shehzad) is playing aggresive, it is wise for Hafeez to hold the wicket. Once Shehzad got out, Hafeez played aggressive. There should always be one aggreesive, and one wicket holder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amomin View Post
    If both batsmen go out and swinging for the fences, better chance both wickets fall and the game is over. If one partner (Shehzad) is playing aggresive, it is wise for Hafeez to hold the wicket. Once Shehzad got out, Hafeez played aggressive. There should always be one aggreesive, and one wicket holder.
    And then in 20 overs we were 105/0.

    What do you expect?

    To chase 270 runs in 30 overs at 9 RPO by lower and middle over.

    They have to rescue the team's *** all the time???

    Be the sacrificial lambs every time...


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    And then in 20 overs we were 105/0.

    What do you expect?

    To chase 270 runs in 30 overs at 9 RPO by lower and middle over.

    They have to rescue the team's *** all the time???

    Be the sacrificial lambs every time...
    To be fair, 20 overs, NZ was 110 also. Yes, if no wicket falls within 20 overs. Middle over at #3 should have been Sarfaraz, Umar. I'll take 20 overs, 105 runs for 0 wickets any day. We had less in NZ game 3, and we scored 364

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    Quote Originally Posted by amomin View Post
    To be fair, 20 overs, NZ was 110 also. Yes, if no wicket falls within 20 overs. Middle over at #3 should have been Sarfaraz, Umar. I'll take 20 overs, 105 runs for 0 wickets any day. We had less in NZ game 3, and we scored 364
    1. We were batting first, and with no set target in mind, it's easy to play your shots according to your wants.

    2. Similar case in effect, that NZ could afford to be even less, because they were batting first, and they were not chasing any set target.

    3. If you are chasing 370, there is no way you can accept 20 overs 105/0 and expect to win at the same time. Note : This is about chasing, not setting a target.Setting a target you can afford to be at even 70/0 in 20 and get 300 in next 30 overs because you have no scoreboard pressure.

    Hafeez's innings would have been much better if it were only 50 off 30 balls. Similarly , Shehzad playing a 50 off 30 balls would have been amazing as well.

    It would have put us at 100 runs in 60 balls.

    That means 10 overs 100/2. Much better chance of winning from there, chasing 370 rather than being 100/0 in 19 overs (9 extra overs but losing no wicket).


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Hafeez is a extremely mediocre batsman , and very fragile mentally. Salman Butt was 100 times better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcrazy View Post
    Hafeez is a extremely mediocre batsman , and very fragile mentally. Salman Butt was 100 times better.
    Salman was a crook.

    Batting frailties aside, I'd 100 times take Hafeez even if he is mediocre than over a self-confessed crook.

    Better to lose honestly, than to win with a bunch of thugs and crooks who will sell your country any time down the road.


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Butt was just slightly better than Hafeez he was a good Indian trundler basher but wasnt anything special against the best bowling attacks

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    In my view Butt was a very good opener, and far better than Hafeez no doubt. A very good player of pace and capable of handling bounce. Hafeez is a better player of spin.

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    For Pak standards Butt was good. For ROW standards he was average

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    No one from Pakistan is good enough for the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    Chasing 370 he went at SR or less than 100.

    And even worse, when Shehzad was firing he went at SR of 50 for 10 overs.

    What does he expect?

    We will get 370?
    As I mentioned in another thread, when Pakistan were 127/1, NZ were 132/1.

    Those numbers clearly show that the they were not too far off the pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mussu-100 View Post
    As I mentioned in another thread, when Pakistan were 127/1, NZ were 132/1.

    Those numbers clearly show that the they were not too far off the pace.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    1. We were batting first, and with no set target in mind, it's easy to play your shots according to your wants.

    2. Similar case in effect, that NZ could afford to be even less, because they were batting first, and they were not chasing any set target.

    3. If you are chasing 370, there is no way you can accept 20 overs 105/0 and expect to win at the same time. Note : This is about chasing, not setting a target.Setting a target you can afford to be at even 70/0 in 20 and get 300 in next 30 overs because you have no scoreboard pressure.

    Hafeez's innings would have been much better if it were only 50 off 30 balls. Similarly , Shehzad playing a 50 off 30 balls would have been amazing as well.

    It would have put us at 100 runs in 60 balls.

    That means 10 overs 100/2. Much better chance of winning from there, chasing 370 rather than being 100/0 in 19 overs (9 extra overs but losing no wicket).
    My answer to that. ...


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    My answer to that. ...
    I totally understand what you're trying to say. That while chasing you should always be slightly ahead of where you are supposed to be because of scoreboard pressure.

    But my problem is the massive overreaction to our just-about-par start. The openers didn't do badly at all, it was our think tanks approach that was not so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mussu-100 View Post
    As I mentioned in another thread, when Pakistan were 127/1, NZ were 132/1.

    Those numbers clearly show that the they were not too far off the pace.
    Should see my thread.

    But here's the run rate link: http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zeal...l?view=runrate

    We were actually ahead of New Zealand at one point with both openers still in.

    Our run rate down as we lost wickets. Had we kept wickets in tact, who knows what we could have achieved. New Zealand started really upping it last ten overs anyway when the ball was old and batsman settled. We didn't even get a chance to do this.

    It was a good start which most teams would not have complained of. We however gave up mostly because it wasn't the "perfect start". You make do with what you have. New Zealand made a similar start and ended up on 380. Personally I think these excuses of batting second aren't the justifiable, it was more or less the same.

    I find it correct to bash Hafeez for taking so long to start up, he wasted runs he could have cashed in. And shehzad for slowing down. But people thinking the game (and some of the batsmen it seemed too) was finished at 127/1, that's absolutely ridiculous. That mentality is not going to help us chase big totals if we just lie down and give up or panic. People can see the stats themselves, the place where we truly went out of the game was at the 30th over when 5 of our batsmen went out in under 9 overs (and no upping of the run rate either despite the "hitting out"). That's where the game was lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mussu-100 View Post
    As I mentioned in another thread, when Pakistan were 127/1, NZ were 132/1.

    Those numbers clearly show that the they were not too far off the pace.
    What a genius analysis...

    To chase 370, you dont follow the run-rate curve of opposition team, but idea is to keep own run-rate ahead of required runrate... If you have to chase around 8 runs an over right from the start and after 15 overs it has climbed to 10 runs an over than you have not done your job properly...

    Had one of Ahmed Shahzad or Hafeez stayed there till the end of 50 overs and kept one end intact, only than such an innings can be classified as useful one.. otherwise it just seems a selfish innings..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    Should see my thread.

    But here's the run rate link: http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zeal...l?view=runrate

    We were actually ahead of New Zealand at one point with both openers still in.

    Our run rate down as we lost wickets. Had we kept wickets in tact, who knows what we could have achieved. New Zealand started really upping it last ten overs anyway when the ball was old and batsman settled. We didn't even get a chance to do this.

    It was a good start which most teams would not have complained of. We however gave up mostly because it wasn't the "perfect start". You make do with what you have. New Zealand made a similar start and ended up on 380. Personally I think these excuses of batting second aren't the justifiable, it was more or less the same.

    I find it correct to bash Hafeez for taking so long to start up, he wasted runs he could have cashed in. And shehzad for slowing down. But people thinking the game (and some of the batsmen it seemed too) was finished at 127/1, that's absolutely ridiculous. That mentality is not going to help us chase big totals if we just lie down and give up or panic. People can see the stats themselves, the place where we truly went out of the game was at the 30th over when 5 of our batsmen went out in under 9 overs (and no upping of the run rate either despite the "hitting out"). That's where the game was lost.
    Hi, long time I didn't saw a post of you!

    Have to say you still don't understand the ABC of cricket, as much poor analysis as someone can have.

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    The untouchable has an alert mind now got injured suspiciously post cricket he should join showbiz


    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
    If Hafeez can get two hundreds in a game anyone can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobashir View Post
    Hi, long time I didn't saw a post of you!

    Have to say you still don't understand the ABC of cricket, as much poor analysis as someone can have.
    As polite as ever Mobashir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricwiz View Post
    What a genius analysis...

    To chase 370, you dont follow the run-rate curve of opposition team, but idea is to keep own run-rate ahead of required runrate... If you have to chase around 8 runs an over right from the start and after 15 overs it has climbed to 10 runs an over than you have not done your job properly...

    Had one of Ahmed Shahzad or Hafeez stayed there till the end of 50 overs and kept one end intact, only than such an innings can be classified as useful one.. otherwise it just seems a selfish innings..
    It all depends on what the team strategy is. Many teams like to literally 'chase' the total, as in keep their run-rate slightly under the RRR and keep wickets in hand; other like to butcher a target. As in, go after it with all guns blazing.

    I'm not debating whether our strategy is the correct one. All I'm saying is that, keeping our strategy in mind, Hafeez and Shehzad made a good start for us. And they certainly didn't bat us out of the game!

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    i would split the blame 3 ways:
    a) 33% to bowling for obvious reasons
    b) 33% to Hafeez/Shehzad for relatively slow rate as well as throwing away the starts they got
    c) 33% to team management for sticking with Younis and Misbah at 3/4 and not sending in Sarfraz/Umar Akmal/Harris instead of them

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    You can sugar-coat it all you want.

    If RR is 7.5 runs per over and at end of 20 overs it had climbed to 9.5 runs per over when both openers are dismissed, you have batted the team essentially out of the game.

    Unless you believe it's the job of middle and lower order to hit 200 runs in last 20 overs and be sacrificial lambs.


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    You can sugar-coat it all you want.

    If RR is 7.5 runs per over and at end of 20 overs it had climbed to 9.5 runs per over when both openers are dismissed, you have batted the team essentially out of the game.

    Unless you believe it's the job of middle and lower order to hit 200 runs in last 20 overs and be sacrificial lambs.
    Absolutely.


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    The top-order has to set the tone..you cant expect a miracle everytime.


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No one from Pakistan is good enough for the world.
    Arguably Amir on top form is

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    The senior batsman this series.


    Full credit to Micky Arthur for realizing Babar Azam was born to bat at 3 in all formats.

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    Completely devoid of confidence.

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    what disappoint me more was his behavior during the series,

    its not unusual that you are not making runs or not taking wickets its about how you contribute as a senior player, I feel he isolated himself from the team matters, never I saw him near azhar or advising azhar as a senior player he look so secluded person which I think he did himself

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    8 runs in three games am i right just bin him aka fake allrounder


    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mussu-100 View Post
    Completely devoid of confidence.
    Story of his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junaid.ahmed View Post
    what disappoint me more was his behavior during the series,

    its not unusual that you are not making runs or not taking wickets its about how you contribute as a senior player, I feel he isolated himself from the team matters, never I saw him near azhar or advising azhar as a senior player he look so secluded person which I think he did himself
    Agreed


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Story of his career.
    Somewhat true, but way more so in this series; after getting sent home from the WC and also losing the cushion of his bowling.

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    Yet another series of failure with the bat, needs to be dumped permenantly from Test and ODI teams.

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    He will score heavily in the test series and book himself a spot in the next ODI series, eventually will cost us in future tours away

    I really want him to do well, but he was awful this series.

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    I don't think he will be selected in the test series

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    Sami Aslam and Babar Azam should be selected for tests to open in this series and hafeez should be kept out of the side.

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    But But But he is a vital cog in our side


    Quote Originally Posted by Arsal_AK View Post
    If Hafeez can get two hundreds in a game anyone can.

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    he is minnow basher. Infortunately Bangladesh slowly but surely losing that tag and Hafiz realize that

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    Proving his worth again, Professor.

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    Best all rounder in Pakistan and still people hate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Best all rounder in Pakistan and still people hate him.
    Best in the world. Slightly better than Shakib IMO.

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    Was clearly darting, but still well done. His spell was the difference between a 290-300 and what we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Was clearly darting, but still well done. His spell was the difference between a 290-300 and what we have now.
    I hope ICC recruit you as you can clearly catch illegal bowling. Who needs labs and tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Was clearly darting, but still well done. His spell was the difference between a 290-300 and what we have now.
    If I was a Lankan player and an opposition player under investigation got four wickets against me I would be quite peeved.


    Quote Originally Posted by La Haine movie
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    Well he got career best figures in his last game of bowling... Good bye hafeez. You will be missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrhandsome View Post
    I hope ICC recruit you as you can clearly catch illegal bowling. Who needs labs and tests.
    History tells us that you can spot chucking if you try hard enough, apologists said the same in defense of Ajmal, and he was chucking like Ajmal today.

    Contrary to popular belief, significant chucking doesn't escape the naked eye if they work.

    If he bowls with this action during the test, he won't be able to clear.

    I don't understand why he went full throttle today, unless he knows he won't clear the test, which will be a massive blow.

    If he reverts back to his old action, I back him to come out unscathed and resume bowling.

    Hopefully, what he did today was a one-off.
    Last edited by Mamoon; 11th July 2015 at 08:29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs View Post
    If I was a Lankan player and an opposition player under investigation got four wickets against me I would be quite peeved.
    Yeah, it's quite understandable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    History tells us that you can spot chucking if you try hard enough, apologists said the same in defense of Ajmal, and he was chucking like Ajmal today.

    Contrary to popular belief, significant chucking doesn't escape the naked eye if they work.

    If he bowls with this action during the test, he won't be able to clear.

    I don't understand why he went full throttle today, unless he knows he won't clear the test, which will be a massive blow.

    If he reverts back to his old action, I back him to come out unscathed and resume bowling.

    Hopefully, what he did today was a one-off.
    I have never heard anyone mention Hafeez's action before the first time he got banned and you can't compare Ajmal's case with this. Ajmal had shouts about his action since the time he debuted. Where was this naked eye for Hafeez before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrhandsome View Post
    I have never heard anyone mention Hafeez's action before the first time he got banned and you can't compare Ajmal's case with this. Ajmal had shouts about his action since the time he debuted. Where was this naked eye for Hafeez before?
    Hafeez was always borderline for me. It was just awkward watching him bowl.


    Quote Originally Posted by La Haine movie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saqs View Post
    Hafeez was always borderline for me. It was just awkward watching him bowl.
    Why are we hearing those shouts now only? Thing is many bowlers appear to chuck to naked eye and I have heard doubts about Steyn and Praveen Kumar and many others. If naked eye can't even make out something like LBW and nicks, how can it possibly detect few degrees of momentary angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrhandsome View Post
    I have never heard anyone mention Hafeez's action before the first time he got banned and you can't compare Ajmal's case with this. Ajmal had shouts about his action since the time he debuted. Where was this naked eye for Hafeez before?
    Earlier, Hafeez wasn't chucking to Ajmal's degree, that's why he wasn't noticeable, but today he bowled like he never has before, and most people who watched him today agree that he was chucking, it's not just my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Earlier, Hafeez wasn't chucking to Ajmal's degree, that's why he wasn't noticeable, but today he bowled like he never has before, and most people who watched him today agree that he was chucking, it's not just my view.
    Couldn't catch the action today so far on tv but I guess if what you're saying is true then the results of bowling tests may not be positive. Just hope he doesn't get banned.

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    Basically we need the guy as fifth bowled to bowl to englands 7 left handers!!
    Like i have been saying for ages somebody in your top 7 has to be able to Bowl properly and there is nobody betred in the world a sa 5th bowler in odi that fits the bill.


    If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you always got #improve

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    It looks like its Hafeez vs Sri Lanka in this ODI. Hope if Hafeez isnt banned from bowling he improves against swing bowling otherwise it would mean throwing youngsters under the bus in away tours in 2016.

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    Hafeez delivering an ODI batting masterclass on not the easiest of pitches. Needs to take us home now.

    He's much better at No 3 than facing the new ball.

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    Even more Naive are the people who respond to this attention seeking troll.

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    I hope he is not banned from bowling . Even if he gets banned I would want him to keep playing as a batsman in both ODI's and T20i's for us in Asia , West Indies & zimbawe . And most probably in tests as well .
    If he gets cleared in his bowling action test than it will be 50 , 50 for him for aus , nz , eng , sa conditions in test cricket since he struggles a lot against moving ball.
    Vibes are that he won't be able to clear his bowling action which will be a big blow for us . But even than he is a better batsman than Ahmad Shehzad by far to be in playing eleven as a batsman in all formats.

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    Third in the list of top odi centurions for Pakistan. Behind Yousuf and Anwar.


    Quote Originally Posted by La Haine movie
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    I hope he clears his action, he is our best option.

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    Unbelievable innings today. In sub-continent conditions, he is World Class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasihulhaq94 View Post
    omg!
    It's funny because he didn't watch his bowling today yet feels qualified to comment. Reminds of people defending Ajmal.

    On topic: tremendous knock, hopefully he will clear the test and not bowl like he did today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFC2015 View Post
    There you go again, you have a real fetish for being holier than the pope dont you in devaluing our players.
    Speaking of fetishes, you certainly have one of following me around, but pretty much everyone who watched him bowl today thinks that his action was not clean, and I agree with that. He hasn't bowled like that before.

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    He got dismissed in the 80's thrice lately as well, he has been very consistent in ODIs.

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